although you both changed your feedback, I'm still convinced that both of you were forced and that this is some kind of discussion between you. which again, is not the correct use of the trust rating system here.
Obviously you missed the main conversation. Does it look like I was forced or I considered breaking it because it was more accurate? everything we have in the case starmyc vs Jollygood is an exchange of feedback between the two of them and a message to you via PM. unfortunately, this is not enough for anything, and without presenting clear evidence by any of them. Did JollyGood provide any clear evidence or a convincing response about it yet? (1) I offered him to have a one to one conversation in PM. (2) Then he was given chance to support his reasoning on this topic. There are nothing yet. When someone does not have anything to say in their defense silence is the best response which is what JollyGood is using. But starmyc explained the situation and as an ex Software Engineer I am well aware that how a freelance job conducts. Read and it will help. Starmyc recommends, I recommend not working with him, or asking to be paid using a third party and really well defined & trackable requirements to not get cheated on.
Also, the amount was really small so (I don't remember the precise amout, but it was like < 200$ in btc)... as this story is old, and I'm out of business, I've no longer any interest about recovering this small amount of money.
I'm sad because I spent quite some time to work on this stuff at the time and all I got is this bad reputation stuff.
But well, that's life and there are more important things to deal with.
JollyGood is lucky that still there are no type three flag against him because starmyc lost his interest. Point his, how many starmyc you need to see before you realize JollyGood is using his feedback to hostage others and benefit his own satisfactions? it is evident that your negative feedback was given to him (Jollygood), provoked by your attitude and feelings toward him. I believe you know, such cases are more like a neutral tag, not negative or even positive. You are asking the wrong person. You need to ask JollyGood when to leave a neutral or when not to leave a neutral also when to leave a negative. no matter how harsh and merciless he seemed when giving negative tags, however, he is ready to admit his mistake. How many corrections of mistakes do you think is enough to cool off JollyGood drama in reputation thread? You will find many only in this single topic : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260202.0There were many more cases I read in the last few days against him. Retaliatory feedback then feel pressure from the community, change it to neutral. Retaliatory tilde Even tilde when he does not like a post that does not support his arguments. That's what he is continuing from the past few years. I consider you as a sensible forum user but I am sorry to say that you are embarrassing yourself not to see the changed JollyGood which is resulting you are promoting an overzealous, mentally unfit mad man. you didn't mention him, but all your screenshots were taken via his profile. from the discussion on this topic, I would say that everyone saw it that way. Please give me few more perfect examples from other members, I will add those too to avoid confusion. I have not found anyone else yet to use unfortunately. Let's continue JollyGood related conversations here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407834.msg60722729#new
I was expecting a response of the questions I asked you in my last post. |
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There is an after and before question now since he sent me a retaliatory feedback. 🤣
When I remove my old feedback then technically he will say I sent him the retaliatory feedback because my one will come later. I am thinking a way how to correct it and also use appropriate reference for starmyc case too.
This no longer applies because his feedback on your account is neutral. You are right. Now it can be changed and I tried to make it closer to accurate. As LoyceV suggested now it's two separate feedback with separate reference also added starmyc so that his feedback can be visible as trusted feedback. An appropriate reference for negative feedback would be the scam accusation topic. Where did you get this idea? It does not always need to be on the scam accusation board. Did you ask starmyc why he didn't create a scam accusation against JollyGood if he felt cheated by him?
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[...] The way things stand, you seem to be taking sides based on the word of one party, despite the fact that neither side has provided credible evidence to support their claims. Your answers are here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407834.msg60714131#msg60714131https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407834.msg60714605#msg60714605 |
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Yes it is changed to neutral 🤣  Even though I provided full reference of the accusations I made against him he is considering they are baseless. But interestingly it seems he received all my pathological reports from my doctor. He propose: I am a compulsive lair Mentally unwell Serious anger problem I have delusions of grandeur I have overinflated ego. How even a neutral feedback applies here? My trust page is not for him to write my pathological reports. Update: I do not agree with this.
Only the color has changed. Saying that BitcoinGirl.Club is a liar, that he cannot be trusted and that he has mental problems, should be written in red.
Thanks, you were just earlier than me to post it 😉 |
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I agree. Nothing really important to see here. This is just a continuation of the drama that started with Royse777 and BitLucy casino.
@BitcoinGirl.Club, I really don't see the point of creating another topic and creating more drama between individual members. Both of your tags are equally ridiculous and absurd, and you started it.
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I just noticed that JollyGood changed his tag to neutral, so I'm changing my stance. In my opinion, your neg. tag is an inappropriate use of the trust system.
I am confused the topic is losing it's merit because you are thinking it's between me and JollyGood. It does not matter if JollyGood change the feedback to neutral or remove everything. It's a matter of who we should keep or tilde in our trust setting. To help I even pointed out 4 inspirations that obviously goes well with the examples. In my OP do you see I talked about JollyGood? If you want to discuss about JollyGood then this is the post : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407834.msg60714605#msg60714605 |
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Why didn't you add starmyc to your Trust list? His feedback seems reasonable, and that would mean he'd be on DT2 when you're on DT1, and would even the playing field a bit: A major goal of this is to allow retaliatory distrusts and ratings to actually have some chance of mattering so that contentious ratings have an actual cost. I did not look into it that way but gave a thought for few second. I am still not convinced that if I should do it. If I do then it feels like I am changing my setting only for a particular user. On the other hand starmyc is not someone who left many feedback and I can consider the judgement of most of his feedback are accurate. I will give more thought before to take your suggestion. The point is that it's more accurate  There is an after and before question now since he sent me a retaliatory feedback. 🤣 When I remove my old feedback then technically he will say I sent him the retaliatory feedback because my one will come later. I am thinking a way how to correct it and also use appropriate reference for starmyc case too. In my opinion, Lauda was too trigger happy on the red paint, and JollyGood goes down the same path. I especially dislike that this scares off good users, while real scammers will just continue with a new account. Lauda's feedback were never thought me to keep hostage the user but some of JollyGood's feedback feels to me that he use his negative feedback to hostage others. May be it's because Lauda was not disrespectful in their interaction with others. but gave up after it seemed futile. He is using it in his favor. It surprise me why some of the users who consider him a good scam buster (which he was long ago, he changed), do not take their time to recheck the change. stopped trusting my judgement He tilde (~) everyone who does not speak his language. It has nothing to do with the judgement we use for feedback leaving for others. I checked JollyGood's feedback on starmyc, and I'm surprised he tagged the user saying: When I asked for the source code he declined asking for more money. If I did not get the source code I would have to go back to him for every small tweak I wanted to make and therefore he would ask for more money again and again. Meanwhile, his own Reference link shows he didn't ask for source codes, and I think it's unreasonable to expect free source codes after you pay someone for a freelance job. Like I said on my last post an employer thinks that they bought the freelancer and use them as their own property. JollyGood was demanding unnecessary additional job resulting not paying him for the 2nd job but inappropriately he was asking to refund for the first job that was done successfully. He was simply denying to pay for the valid job. Let me share the last PM from starmyc Hello,
Indeed, I'm no longer in the freelancing business anymore, and my current work is too busy and keeps me away all this stuff.
Also, the amount was really small so (I don't remember the precise amout, but it was like < 200$ in btc)... as this story is old, and I'm out of business, I've no longer any interest about recovering this small amount of money.
I'm sad because I spent quite some time to work on this stuff at the time and all I got is this bad reputation stuff.
But well, that's life and there are more important things to deal with.
Have a nice day anyway!
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But, and that's the main point, I get the feeling you used starmyc as an excuse to create a tag for the second part, and I think the second part should have been neutral. This doesn't mean "that trading with this person is high-risk". Make it neutral. It could mean you don't trust his judgement, in which case you can exclude them (and try to convince others to do the same).
I agree in separating two parts. But since there are no point (at least this is how I looked it) to leave one neutral and another red so I decided to have all at once. Few weeks ago may be months, I saw DireWolfM14 somewhere said he sent JollyGood a PM about some feedback to discuss or something, I can not remember it clearly. These days I am more in reputation board, I was noticing JollyGood creates unnecessary arguments and insults others who do not support his arguments, likes to show off he has an ignore list, disrespects senior members who were producing babies even before his birth to this forum. He can not tolerate when someone say he is wrong in something. All looked to me an attitude problem. So I wanted to see how his inappropriate attitude reflects on the feedback he left. He has many pages of feedback which was impossible for me to check one by one. So I was quickly scanning a few of them before I found the case for starmyc and NEMGUN. NEMGUN case looked to me the same as Royse777 but starmyc case looked to me very straight forward. So I sent a short PM to starmyc: Did you eventually get paid by JollyGood I saw starmyc had everything good even a good feedback from another DT member for his work. But since JollyGood left the negative feedback, starmyc tried to resolve it but eventually gave up and slowed down in the forum. In the mean time he replied my PM Hello,
No, not at all, despite the really low cost of the work done. He took the stuff, and even asked me for a refund for a previous work.
I recommend not working with him, or asking to be paid using a third party and really well defined & trackable requirements to not get cheated on.
Regards. I used to be a software engineer. Freelanced for many years in the long past so I know how it goes. I do not have any doubt that JollyGood started demanding additional works but denied to pay and kept asking for more works. Sometimes an employer thinks that they bought the freelancer and use them as their own property. I suspect that exactly what happened and resulting he even asked to refund for the first job which was finished successfully before starting the 2nd job. And finally it finished with the negative feedback he has to hostage him. But I can not just take one side in considering so I PMed JollyGood and asked if we can have a one to one conversation. But even after 6 days he ignored and did not think to reply. Then I created this topic. But still there are no input. At this point what should I take as guaranteed? He does not have any explanation at all. If he does not then his feedback to starmyc was inappropriate and it will be safe to say that he scammed the labor of starmyc and did not pay him for the work. I will believe starmyc over him because starmyc gave me more explanation after his last PM response. It seems, starmyc really is established person in his life right now, happy with the job now, he does not care at all. But he expressed his regret I'm sad because I spent quite some time to work on this stuff at the time and all I got is this bad reputation stuff.
This is one starmyc, how many more starmyc have the same feeling and JollyGood destroyed their forum life? He did not pay for the work but he did not stop there. He decided to leave a negative feedback and stopped starmyc. I suggested starmyc to create a flag if he thinks that there should be no more starmyc if he does then I will have no problem to support it. |
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Everything confuses me a little now if you complain about something that you yourself do.
Sorry if you are confused and thinking I did the same as he did. It must be my failure. But any way let me try again. His feedback has no reference (he does not have one in fact) to response my negative feedback to him. He says I was posting lie He says my accusations are baseless He thinks its a revenge The repeating part is not clear to me. More reasons, I did not leave red or neutral to bitlucy scam. From above which one warns a red tag or even a negative inspired neutral feedback? My feedback has a clear reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408864.msg60704946#msg60704946First of all he did not pay user starmyc but silent him with his negative feedback. He did not reply to my PM and even still have not replied to me for a clear explanation which leads me to believe that he does not have one but scammed. More supporting cause I have my reasons explained in the reference. In short
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2. His arguments are inappropriate and his use of red tags based on the inappropriate arguments. He did it twice (from the limited investigation I conducted myself) once for nemgun and recently for Royse777
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It was on telegram where CEO used the user @BitlucyCEO
Has notting to do with Royse777[......] Well it does not matter which employee or part owner of Bitlucy contacted you to work for them. Based on the facts as they are known thus far, Bitlucy was owned by two people: Royse777 and the Bitlucy CEO - therefore some would say it does have something to do with Royse777. [......] Are you saying for example, in a group of company if the chairman runaway with the fund resulting the entire company including their shareholders in loss, you are going to tag the chairman and all the shareholders? This is pathetic. You were the same pathetic against the user nemgun too.[......] . I have pointed out 4 inspirations for leaving a negative feedback in the starting topic. (1) clearly out of retaliatory, (2) clearly to hostage others to silent against him, (3) clearly based on inappropriate arguments, (4) clearly using it to scam others (1). Which ones apply to his feedback left for me, starmyc, nemgun and Royse777? (2). Which ones apply to my feedback? Update: because this is your second topic where the discussion will be based on Jolly's giving feedback.
Please read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407834.msg60714131#msg60714131You will understand why the first topic was created, when the PM was sent and why this topic was created. |
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I went though OP's post again. A delay of 3~5 seconds would be sufficient to reject a winning bet in this case. It's not possible to observe a delay of this magnitude through operator's response to live chat. And it also depends on the game provider.
It could be a good debate. But without any supporting evidences it's just word and mouth between you, me and others. Without any supporting document it's impossible to prove. Maybe someone can test this theory in a conclusive manner. Who have time to ring the bell? |
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I see a message saying "your bet has been rejected" Seems like an act of dishonest game provider since they know the result beforehand(before you i.e.) What am I missing? The bet was rejected before the result. So I do not see a problem. It worth discussing if the bet was rejected after the ball stopped in the number 32. In live roulette there could be an argument that they delay the streaming and change the result but it will be unlikely and hardly possibly in the short period of time. When you chat with them on the table you will understand it's almost instant. |
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Are you sure this is a correct list? I was supposed to be in the list 🤣 |
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In that sense, the trust system of the forum is no different from what happens to us in everyday life.
There are certain instructions and guidelines to follow for trust settings. If you do not follow the basic then it will become a worthless system and is not gonna serve the purpose. The trust system is not your personal asset, you are liable to act accordingly that was given to you by others. Or others are free to withdraw their support from you. |
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For years I've been unhappy with how DefaultTrust ended up as a centralized and largely-untouchable authority How it worked: Theymos adds some selected members as DT1 and the DT1 members add users in their network who they trust, they become DT2. For the record DT level can be extended up to DT4 (please correct me if I am wrong) but anything over DT2 is always ignored because it includes almost everyone which does not create any value for the network. The current DT network: In January 2019 Theymos decided to change the old algorithm. Without giving all responsibility to one member (theymos) he decided to have a voting system for DT1 members and the voting system allow to select 100 members in the DT1 network to make the entire network decentralized. So if someone on DT1 is doing something stupid, you can ask other DT1 members to distrust them.
TL;DR;The current system created an open area for anyone to be in the DT network. We add, remove a user in our trust setting depending on their judgement of feedback leaving to others based on how less is their retaliatory mindset. Obviously none of us are perfect, none of us are above our personal likes and dislikes. But when a user's feedback leaving is (1) clearly out of retaliatory, (2) clearly to hostage others to silent against him, (3) clearly based on inappropriate arguments, (4) clearly using it to scam others would you still add him in your trust network or you will tilde (~) him? Warning: Be BOLD and brave, who do not care for a negative feedback and a tilde (~) before leaving an opinion. Here are your examples: 100% retaliatory negative feedback: In response to:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408864.msg60704946#msg60704946100% retaliatory tilde (~) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407834.msg60709658#msg60709658 |
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Well I think you got your response in the form of a retaliatory red tag which is disappointing though not unsurprising. I guess it further proves your point about his abuse of the trust system though. Be careful who you are talking against. I will not surprise to see you received one just because you expressed your opinion in the bold form I marked. Can you even contact him in private, or he totally blocked you as well?
We could really benefit from less drama in this forum, but all I see is that he refused to explain anything about this case and just gave one more negative feedback.
PM sent, public topic created but instead of explanation he now thinks sending a red tag on my trust page was appropriate. He did not use any of the chances that he was given. Right now his response does not carry any value. I will rather ask others mainly everyone including who have him in their trust list. |
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While I'm not here to argue with why you gave him negative feedback, it would have been a good idea to try and a find a mediator of sorts prior to the feedback...
This is not a case for me that I became a victim of something. Now I desperately need to reach out to other members to request support to get the tag removed, on the other hand with the long years in the forum I don't think anyone will feel comfortable too if I PM requesting to make a connection with JG. It sounds funny and dramatic. By the way it was a sarcasm (the gig thing) on the other post but thank you for the list. I wanted to have a one to one discussion which was said in the PM I sent to JollyGood on the last 20th July. I was expecting his response. I waited 6 days until I created this topic on 27th. I still waited and until now there are no explanation from JollyGood of why he left these unfair red tags to user starmyc and nemgun? He failed to support his cause. Starmyc has business in the forum, a Software Engineer. Since the red tag left by JollyGood, starmyc did not get any order (it seems JG revenged tag worked), he became inactive although he sent me PM on July 17th saying, JollyGood took the work and asked him to refund for the previous work (how unfair and sounds pathetic). Nemgun obviously was a victim of the CEO just like Royse777 was a victim of his CEO. You don't jail the shareholders because the main head runaway with the money. I wanted to ask jollyGood in private without making it public that he should resolve the problem with starmyc or give me a reasonable story and reconsider their tags. The tag on Starmyc can be even looked at as JollyGood was using it to silent him. Look at all others feedback on starmyc, how it went wrong only with JollyGood? |
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Lol, I've realized, BitcoinGirl.Club, that you have left JollyGood negative feedback.
Even if you are on his ignore list I think we are going to have drama. I have my reasons explained in the reference. In short 1. He did not pay starmyc for his work even asked for refund for the first job. Left red tag as hostage. 2. His arguments are inappropriate and his use of red tags based on the inappropriate arguments. He did it twice (from the limited investigation I conducted myself) once for nemgun and recently for Royse777 An example of his inappropriate argument and how he suggest others to step in to his arguments [......]
It was on telegram where CEO used the user @BitlucyCEO
Has notting to do with Royse777[......] Well it does not matter which employee or part owner of Bitlucy contacted you to work for them. Based on the facts as they are known thus far, Bitlucy was owned by two people: Royse777 and the Bitlucy CEO - therefore some would say it does have something to do with Royse777. [......] Are you saying for example, in a group of company if the chairman runaway with the fund resulting the entire company including their shareholders in loss, you are going to tag the chairman and all the shareholders? This is pathetic. You were the same pathetic against the user nemgun too.[......] |
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How can this be explained?
It explained below is the current price of 1 USTC  And here is 100 USTC worth in USDT  a scammer who robbed a lot of people Can you give us some example? Only words are not gonna work. accusing me of a non-existent scam? Taking 100 USDT for 100 USTC is not a scam but a negotiations LOL Did you find your silent angel investors yet to fund the secret coin? Stop it and leave the place. |
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3-I see a message saying "your bet has been rejected"
Obviously the bet was rejected before the result. Stake does not have any clue that it was supposed to be on the 32. Furthermore in live roulettes it's the game provider who decides win or lose, in other words everything related to the table you are in decided by the provider of the roulettes table. Stake or any other casino are just using their API and storing the data of their clients (in this case it's you) to pay your winnings or take money from your loss. |
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unreasonably call me a scammer.
In the future, there may be 1 USTC = 1 USDT What the F***! 🤣 In the future 1BTC = 1M I give you 1BTC and you give me 1M. If this is a deal then you are not a scammer. How about this? I deny your request and supporting the flag. Also leaving you a tag so that people who are not aware can see your scam approach. |
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