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2581  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold - is it really safe investment? on: November 23, 2012, 08:50:40 PM

gold and silvers value doesnt really ever change. A few decades ago you could buy a gallon of gas for one silver dime. Today you can still buy a gallon of gas for one silver dime.

Sorry, but this is such an urban legend.  Don't get me wrong, I like gold and silver, but they do not automatically maintain purchasing power.  Somebody who bought gold in 2000 made a hell of an investment, an can now buy a boatload more other stuff then he could then.  It is true that if you look at gold historically, then it maintains its purchasing power a lot better than fiat currencies, but in the short term (short being decades here), this is simply not true.  This is why I also don't see gold as a "safe" investment, next to the volatility being quite large.  There might be times when it is the safest asset to buy, but definitely not allways.
2582  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ANN] Hardware wallet project on: November 22, 2012, 11:17:07 PM
Awesome project slush!  I think you are really tackling one of the important hurdles bitcoin faces for easy adoption by bigger crowds.  Here is me hoping the device won't be too expensive, so it can gain widespread distribution.
2583  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [BLOG] - The Full Faith and Credit of Wikipedia on: November 22, 2012, 06:06:53 PM
You guys do know that Jimmy Wales was appointed as a UK government adviser in March this year? And that he married Tony Blair's former secretary last month?

So despite his apparent libertarian leaning and his knowledge of Hayek, he's well and truly part of the establishment now.

You can't advise governments or fall in love with somebody who works for goverment without abandoning libertarian principles?
2584  Economy / Economics / Re: Japan - How would Kyle Bass answer this... on: November 22, 2012, 05:10:36 AM
I believe Bass is betting both on interest rate rise and on currency devaluation.  I don't know which instruments he uses for this though, if somebody has the answer, feel free to share.

I think 50% inflation for several years would severely impact the psychology of the population and lead to hyperinflation.
2585  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A newbie asks - how many % of your disposable money have you in BTC? on: November 21, 2012, 10:12:32 AM
The downside is very little.

You are kidding, right?  I agree the upside potential is huge, but if the security of the system was somehow breached, it could become worthless overnight..   While I am no security/technology expert by any means, I think the system still has to prove itself for several years in order to be considered 'safe' (and even then you still have to watch developments like quantum computing).

No I'm not kidding. I personally feel that if 5% of your savings go to 0, that this will have very little impact on your retirement. At worst, it delays your retirement by 1 year 3 months using a 4% withdrawl rate. In reality, you'll retire at the same age, but get a condo a few exits more north of Miami.

Oh ok, but then you are talking about the downside risk if you only invest 5%, I thought you were talking about the downside risk in bitcoin in general (so also for people who have 100% invested in it).
2586  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A newbie asks - how many % of your disposable money have you in BTC? on: November 21, 2012, 01:39:26 AM
The downside is very little.

You are kidding, right?  I agree the upside potential is huge, but if the security of the system was somehow breached, it could become worthless overnight..   While I am no security/technology expert by any means, I think the system still has to prove itself for several years in order to be considered 'safe' (and even then you still have to watch developments like quantum computing).
2587  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Short presentation about Bitcoin (technical focus) on: November 18, 2012, 10:34:41 PM
Thanks for sharing! I am still learning the technological basics of bitcoin, and this presentation made a few things click.
2588  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Estimated amount of bitcoin payments for merchants on: November 18, 2012, 05:42:28 PM
I am guessing wordpress has a slightly larger clientele than he does  Wink
2589  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Estimated amount of bitcoin payments for merchants on: November 18, 2012, 04:59:26 PM
If a webshop uses a Bitcoin payment processor, of which there are three that I am aware, then they take care of all the potential problems.

Ok, good to know !

With all of them he can just add the payment widget to his webstore and get another potential way for customers to pay, and it won't cost anything (other than the time to set it up) even if nobody ever uses it.

Yeah, I know bitcoin has a very low entry barrier, I was mainly thinking about setup time.
2590  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Estimated amount of bitcoin payments for merchants on: November 18, 2012, 04:46:07 PM
Hi

A friend of mine has recently created a webshop, and I was wondering if I should propose adding bitcoins as a payment system.
My question now: is it already worth the effort if you are not a bitcoin enthusiast?

I was wondering if there are any merchants here that can indicate how often people pay with bitcoins for their goods/services ( I am specifically looking for merchants that do not solely operate on bitcoins, and markets that are not related to bitcoins (so no money-related services like coinabul or computer/security-related services). Both an absolute number and a ratio of bitcoins/other currency payments would be ideal.  I know most people here are bitcoin enthusiasts, but it would be appreciated if you told the not-so-great commerce numbers too.

Furthermore: are there any catches, problems associated with accepting bitcoins?  I just read something about DDOS attacks on the Blacklotus thread, and I have no idea what that is about  Undecided .
2591  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Our response to Dmytri Kleiner's misunderstanding of money on: November 16, 2012, 09:03:10 AM
The economy has nothing to do with the difficulty in obtaining bitcoins.

So the services that give you bitcoins have nothing to do with how you get bitcoins?
2592  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Our response to Dmytri Kleiner's misunderstanding of money on: November 16, 2012, 08:57:49 AM
There will never be reversable transactions.

Well I can imagine there being created a service with legal authority that registers transactions between 'state-registered' addresses that are linked to an individual, or something similar.  Just because you don't see the solution to certain problems does not mean somebody else can't come up with one.
And like Roger said, escrow is an option too.
2593  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Our response to Dmytri Kleiner's misunderstanding of money on: November 16, 2012, 01:54:29 AM
You arent being realistic at all. I dont hate bitcoin and dong care for it either so im not biased whatsoever. Bitcoin is difficult to get compared to fiat money. You have no guarantee that you will even get the coins after you purchase them and there is nothing you can do about it if someone decides to rip you off. Im not talking about trasnfering my coins to a wallet. Thats simple and means nothing becausey ou already have the coins. So pelase tell me what happens whne you purchase coins and dont receive them? Do just go complain on a forum? Pretty much all you can do.

Bitcoin has only existed for less than 4 years, with very little people knowing about it in the beginning (and still), did you really expect there to be an entire foolproof service package and legal system to be built around it already?

As time goes on it will become more and more clear which services are reliable businesses in it for the long haul, and which ones are scammers that want to make some quick bucks.  Moreover, as the economy groes bigger, it should get easier and easier to get bitcoins, with lower fees and smaller spreads.
2594  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Take a Bitcoin quiz...for Bitcoins! on: November 15, 2012, 10:02:03 PM
I might also write an email and see if I can get a hold of him.

Go for it!

I guess he might feels uneasy about it, given the possible risks involved in bitcoin, thinking that maybe people will try it out because of his video (which is a good thing, but only if they read up on the safety aspects, and don't put in a lot of money).
But this could easily be dealt with in a few sentences reminding people that it is still a startup experiment, and that if they would get involved in it, it is absolutely necessary to read up on the proper cautionary measurements against wallet theft etc. .
2595  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Take a Bitcoin quiz...for Bitcoins! on: November 15, 2012, 08:03:39 PM
If you want to solve the problem of more people learning about Bitcoin IMO you should focus on the teaching part instead. It's actually what I'm thinking about/researching right now. It might not feel like it but there really isn't all that much of easily digestible easy to understand info out there for the everyday ordinary non geek user.

We could ask Salman Khan to make a video about bitcoin on Khan Academy.  If anybody can explain hard stuff in a palpable way, it's him.  He has a background in economics, seems into sciency stuff and is definitely into open projects for the community, so he might be interested.  Then again, maybe bitcoin is too risky/speculative for him to want to put it on his website....

EDIT: hell, it might be worth the try.  I suggested the topic on the website.
2596  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wikipedia: "Some criticize Bitcoin for being a Ponzi scheme..." on: November 14, 2012, 10:22:28 PM
I don't know why everyone's so upset about what wikipedia says. Everyone knows that site is just a Ponzi scheme.
Cheesy, thank you sir, for giving me a good laugh.

Is there any reasoning given for not adding the fact that bitcoin does not match several properties of a Ponzi scheme?
2597  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wikipedia: "Some criticize Bitcoin for being a Ponzi scheme..." on: November 14, 2012, 08:21:20 PM
After reading that talk page, I have never disliked a person as much as SudoGhost. Wikipedia should make sure their editors have an IQ of at least 80 IMO.

He is not dumb, my guess is he just prefers sticking to the rules instead of using logic and common sense.

Does anybody know if there are well-described criteria for judging if a source is reliable or not to wikipedia? (EDIT: NVM, I should learn to do some more googling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources )
2598  Economy / Economics / Re: What if gold is produced in lab? on: November 13, 2012, 10:23:28 PM

Indeed. Let's make some wikispeed-style spaceships and start interplanetary gold mining  Cheesy

Screw it, I already have my spaceship ! I ll have a look and let you know what I find.
2599  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 78% of Bitcoin users are smarter than the rest of the world on: November 13, 2012, 09:50:21 PM
I agree that bitcoin would be worthless without the ability to trade them for something else, but technically, if there were no sellers, then bitcoins could maintain their value without any trade in them...

For fuck sake listen to yourselves, what you are saying is batshitinsane. Everyone will want bitcoins which will make them worthless?! Don't you see how retarded that sounds? Why would everyone want something that is worthless? Why would something everyone wants be worthless?

That was not what I was saying at all...  Thanks for calling me an insane idiot though...

Yeah I'm sorry for my brainfart.

Happens to the best of us  Wink
2600  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 78% of Bitcoin users are smarter than the rest of the world on: November 13, 2012, 09:28:53 PM
I agree that bitcoin would be worthless without the ability to trade them for something else, but technically, if there were no sellers, then bitcoins could maintain their value without any trade in them...

For fuck sake listen to yourselves, what you are saying is batshitinsane. Everyone will want bitcoins which will make them worthless?! Don't you see how retarded that sounds? Why would everyone want something that is worthless? Why would something everyone wants be worthless?

That was not what I was saying at all...  Thanks for calling me an insane idiot though...

Maybe I should spell out my point a little more.
No good is traded continuously, the (traded) price of a good is defined as the last price at which a transaction between a seller and buyer was conducted. Therefore, no trade is needed to keep the price constant. I was just saying that if people were content with the use of bitcoins as a store of value, as something to be used as a savings account that cannot be inflated away, it could maintain a stable price with very little trade in it.
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