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I cannot withdraw funds! For 2 days getting the message "Sorry, an error occured while sending payment. Please try again later. (Could not connect to blockchain.info, it may be down) ".
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If Ukrainian govt will impose restrictions on foreign currency exchange, Bitcoin can take off here!
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There is little chance a fully automated world could ever satisfy all our needs. Looking at maslow's hierarchy of needs it is only the bottom of the pyramid that can be done by robots.
It is true that higher levels of needs will be difficult to automate, but 1) very few people have enough talents to take these remaining jobs, 2) "superstar effect" will continuously grow as technology advances. Meanwhile, Bill Gates recently acknowledged the problem, however proposed standard rightist bullshit (I haven't expected anything else from him, he probably won't change his position even if underpaid/unemployed rioters will throw Molotov cocktail into his house). Software substitution, whether it's for drivers or waiters or nurses … it's progressing. ... Technology over time will reduce demand for jobs, particularly at the lower end of skill set. ... 20 years from now, labor demand for lots of skill sets will be substantially lower. I don’t think people have that in their mental model. Gates believes that the tax codes are going to need to change to encourage companies to hire employees, including, perhaps, eliminating income and payroll taxes altogether. He's also not a fan of raising the minimum wage, fearing that it will discourage employers from hiring workers in the very categories of jobs that are most threatened by automation.http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-bots-are-taking-away-jobs-2014-3 |
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Even if I was a wealthy person and felt bad for these people, how would I help them?
Wealthy people have much more political influence, so you would push legislation to make economy more redistributive (e.g. share remaining jobs by reducing working week to 15 hours for the same wage, implementing unconditional income, put heavier tax burden on capital while freeing labor etc). unless you want to live in the world of Elysium where 99% of the worlds population lives in a dump and 1% lives on a space-station with extravagant wealth.
If you watched the movie, you must know how Elysium ended!  |
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PM me when you restore the banner, so I can activate it for you asap.
OK, I will notify you. |
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I'm sorry to hear our service is missing features. In what way is your new advertisement network more advanced?
I think you should add multiple bids to the same slot simultaneously as AdBit.co have. BTW, I will restore OpFab banner after few days when a contract for one of the ad spaces on Daily Bitcoins will expire. |
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For socialism to work requires that we become something other than human.
Automation and robots are "something other than human", however they are/will be able to do the most of work which humans had performed for millenniums. If what you are saying is true, then why are we still moving from an opportunity society to a neofeudal society?
Corporations with greedy shareholders are pushing people here. But it won't last forever, sooner or later people will realize what is happening and reject this system. |
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We have switched to AdBit.co advertising network for the main page banner. This network is more advanced than previously-used Operation Fabulous have. Advertise here! |
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We have switched to AdBit.co advertising network for the main page banner. Now you can place an ad here. |
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Can you say that in another way I am not sure understand.
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A socialist planned economy rejects the idea of inequality and the idea of intellectual property and perpetual growth, land ownership and servitude?
I personally support RBE which from the political economy spectrum can be classified as a form of socialist planned economy (however it is completely different from Stalin/Mao version). If you have studied The Venus Project ideas you should know that the variant I have quoted above is true. |
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You can keep the existing mechanism (political and economic) and ponder unconditional income, or planned economy, or you can stop having old ideas and define a new mechanism, to ensure that there is a net benefit from technology.
Some random examples of how the existing mechanism is used to maintain wealth inequality is perpetuated are:
The meme that an Idea can be a property right and must be enforced by the law.
The meme that properties given by nature for the benefit of evolution of life, like water and land belong to the entities that claimed them first.
The meme that education is not free, and is a corporate for profit right.
The meme that people will stop buying food and other necessities if they become relatively less expensive.
Totally agree with your 4 arguments. Nevertheless, socialist planned economy (or more advanced variant - Resource Based Economy) rejects all the ways to maintain inequality you have mentioned. |
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Eric Schmidt, the chairman of Google, today admitted that technologically-driven inequality will be number one problem for democratic countries in the future. He offered standards solutions like supporting startups and more education, among them also interesting thing: My personal opinion: after attacks on shuttle buses, Google and other tech company directors really worried about consequences for them that will be if simply ignoring unemployed (like some fools write here "let them to starve"). 1917-like revolution means for them total loss of all assets and possibly personal repressions, therefore I won't wonder if capitalists will be the most active supporters to implement wealth redistribution schemes. |
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However, anarcho capitalism IS a resource based economy.
Not even close to it! The term resource-based economy is used by the Venus Project to describe a hypothetical economic system in which, goods, services, and information are free. Fresco's system argues that the earth is abundant with resources and that our current practice of distributing resources through a price system method is irrelevant and counterproductive to our survival. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Venus_ProjectWhat did you think of my post of the RoboCoin ATM competing with a person sitting next to the ATM trading with lower fees?
You gave no comment. While I think he found a creative way to be more competitive than the robot most pity the robot owner who is absent and just leaves his robot there. Most think the robot has the rights to trade at higher fees and the creative human doesn't.
What do you think?
Read my previous messages, I wrote many times that new jobs WILL appear, but the problem is their quantity comparing to the destroyed ones. Regarding this concrete example - human sitting near Bitcoin ATM can be useful for a short time while customers will learn how to use it. |
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Large countries ARE the problem. Work toward decentralization, and the rest gets solved organically.
Decentralization is good, however it is completely distinct with anarcho-capitalism that some users try to advocate in this thread. Decentralized communities can choose any model, even resource-based economy. |
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The point was made long ago the OP can't see his own shortcomings.
I have my personal position regarding this problem and you won't convince to change my mind with this market-fanatic heresy. Offer constructive solutions, then we can speak. |
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I can't vote for the poll, because it doesn't include the choice, "Minanarchy where the unemployed have to retrain or live in poverty". Of course, we will need to be charitable and provide food via private charities.
I can admit there will be few enclosed communities for elite and engineers with meritocracy and minimum govt, but NEVER in large countries. When most people will start understanding what is happening, social unrest, revolutions and civil wars will fire around the world very quickly. The elite will try to save their asses by escaping into highly secured areas, while "have nots" will confiscate all means of production and switch to planned economy with redistribution of the wealth by public authority (or, in some traditionalist societies, neo-luddites may destroy all automation and downshift to simpler lifestyle). You socialists go on with your myopia. History shows where you ALWAYS end up.
Now the history may turn around and show the ass to the insane right-wingers! Extreme radicals (both left and right) cannot keep power during the long time as history shows! |
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Just read interesting though that unemployment rise may be caused by investments' shift from product innovations (i.e. inventing new classes of consumer goods and services) to the process ones (improving means of production to increase output and lower labor overhead). Investing into automation and robotics becoming more profitable than say funding a flying car development. If this is true, large corporations like Google and Apple with tons of cash in savings will put it into process innovation, producing a whole tsunami of technological unemployment. In proof, Google shareholders are not so stupid to waste a lot of money on robotics startups they have bough recently. Here’s one possible suspect: This jobless recovery is the result of an economy now better at generating process innovation (creating cheaper, more efficient ways to make existing consumer goods and services) than what business consultant Clayton Christensen has termed “empowering innovation” (creating new consumer goods and services). For a variety of reasons — including how we educate kids and tax capital — efficiency innovations are liberating capital that’s now being mostly reinvested in still more efficiency innovation, rather than in empowering innovation as in the past. And it’s the jobs in sectors experiencing more process than product innovation, explains banker and entrepreneur Ashwin Parameswaran, that are more susceptible to automation. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/349927/welcome-recovery-year-five-james-pethokoukis |
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The modern world is absolutely dominated by Coporatism, whereby the state allows private business, but heavily regulates it in order to foster both patronage and dependence. The modern mega corporation is entirely a creature of the state right down to being considered a 'person' at matters of law. Without the State, the mega corporation could not exist, for the state provides it with protection. Without the mega corporations, particularly banks, the modern State could not exist for it would be limited in power by how much ACTUAL capital it could obtain.
Absolutely agree with you! Most countries now have some form of the crony capitalism. Laws being enacted in favor of corporations and against interest of ordinary people! Copyright and patents are good examples. But I think that when this starts happening (and it already has around the peripheries) that a good number of people will opt out, start their own communities of like minded individuals, and succeed. Those people will not be displaced by robots, though they might make good use of them. And the mega corporations WILL NOT survive the death of the Imperial powers without radical reorganization. The concept of the Juridical Person will be abolished without the "governing authority", and they will have to compete on their own merits. Without the system of debt that is the current system of economics, they will shrink massively if they don't fail altogether.
Very likely scenario and I hope many of these communities will choose resource-based economy model. |
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@Biomech, I fully agree with you about usefulness of the technology. Again, I am not a Luddite as someone may falsely think.
The problem is in the currently-dominant political system and redistribution mechanisms. Robots and automation can open new era of greatest prosperity for everyone if properly used!
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i can't wait to download a car just in spite of those anti-piracy ads
Anti-pirate laws will be irrelevant for this 3D printer. As it can print car, as well it can print RPG, SAM, missiles, jet fighters etc so forces of the ordinary people and pro-corporate govt will be balanced enough. |
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