Right after the idiocy stops.
The point is that mentally abnormal people shouldn't have access to those weapons.
BTW: I lived in the US for more than a decade. Americans don't have the cojones to go on a killing spread with a knife.

Done! Thank you.

darewaller: absolutely!
Sorry, I think I gave you a wrong idea of my country's situation. Those inflation levels are (fortunately) a thing of the past. Right  now, inflation hovers "officially" around 50% per year. In reality is more like 70% to 100%, but it's still a far cry from those times.
Either way, it's kinda like what paxmao said about Venezuela. A couple of years ago, a Venezuelan guy told me "in Venezuela it doesn't matter if you have money or not. There's nothing to buy". In here it's just the opposite: prices don't matter, because people have no money.
From then on, prices in here are so unbelievably distorted it's not even funny. To give you an example: after saving for more than a year, in 2017 I decided to buy a gun. That specific gun is Argentinian made (not the best by any means, but it's the only  brand you can get spares for, in case you need them). To be more accurate, I can take a bus where I live and be at the factory in less than an hour.
That specific model was less than 300 dollars in the US. In Argentina, buying directly from the factory, a gun with "cosmetic details" was 850 bucks. in a gun store, it was $1100.
When I asked the guy at the gun store about it, he said "you have to understand the steel for those guns is imported", so I asked "why, American guns don't use imported steel?". He didn't answer.


You mean governments that last "days".
Yeah, unfortunately, you're right. But Argentinians know about a distorted system.
For example, USD are "kinda" not allowed in Argentina. It's difficult to understand, really. But the Central Bank states an "official" exchange price to the USD that is a bit higher than the international price, yet absolutely unavailable. Because of it, there's a black market, the dollar "blue", with a price that is, roughly, twice that of the "official" USD.
As a result, if I had the money, I could easily get USD in Uruguay and sell them at 100% instant profit in Argentina. But what's worse, banks in here choose to nickel and dime their customers by "pesifying" (automatically converting to pesos, of course, at the official rate) any deposit in USD. As a result, a lot of Argentinians hold bank accounts in Uruguay, and Argentinian banks lose a ton of money.

Yeah, it does. And it was actually much worse, remember those were actually "official" numbers. In the times of hyperinflation, it got so bad that people would go to a store, and the price in the item they purchased had gone up 5 or 6 times since they got it from the shelf, till they reached the cashier. Stores would close, because they overcharged 500, 1000 %, and when they went to replenish their stock they didn't have enough money. Then they started looting supermarkets and stores, and the President ended up relinquishing power months ahead of schedule.

Argentina is a strange country indeed. Initially, there's no "right-left" in here, it's just "left-left", but "not so left, actually", and the whole system is set up so things will stay as they are, or worse.

If anything, the lesson the US could take from Argentina (and a very actual lesson indeed) is to not give in to hate. Division only feeds misery, and, if Americans don't get it, they will find out eventually. The US got to be a great country because "together you stood". Now you're not together anymore, so you either wake up, or there's always room at the bottom.

About political stability in Argentina, it's easy: as long as everybody keeps getting what they expect, nothing is gonna change. People's lives are ever more miserable, but they've been fed (and gladly believed) that "as long as they can complain about it" everything's alright. At the same time, everybody blames someone else (being the other party, the US, the IMF, whatever), and do nothing to change. Meanwhile, they keep reminding people about the last dictatorship to keep them in line, and it works.

So I don't see anything changing for the better in my country, at least for the next few decades. For the worse it changes daily. 

Or both.
Somebody sacrifices something for the group (be it family, friends, the gang, country, mankind, whatever). Do they do it for the glory or because of it? And ultimately, do they even care about those they're helping?
If I help somebody (or if I make a sacrifice for whatever group), I don't expect a thank you, or a medal, or anything in return. I don't help others for the retribution, I do it because (if) I care.
The problem is helping and/or sacrificing has become somewhat of a fad. You're expected to do it, so people do it for the title. So you hear this or that politician (or billionaire, or celebrity, you name it) was a Marine, like that automatically makes him a hero. Or even if he was a bonafide hero, did he do it for his fellow combatants, or because he wanted a medal, and the undeniable benefits (and the glory) attached to it?

The problem is you can't see why people do what they do, so those seeking the glory will always exist. You could say they have a more practical view on things, as they consistently reap the benefits for their actions, while others keep doing the same (or more) quietly, with no other reward than their own satisfaction, having done "what's right". And society (or "the group") takes advantage of it, creating a whole reward system for them. That way, everybody benefits.

I might argue that somebody that starts a thread like you posted above is ALREADY trying to learn.  About the skills, no forum will ever give you that. You get skilled by getting your hands dirty, no way around it.
True, different people look for different ways to learn. I wouldn't dream to go to a forum empty handed. Before even joining this forum I had already taken 3 different courses on cryptocurrency trading and investing. Right now I'm downloading my 7^th. But you take a risk either way. I wouldn't feel comfortable asking others to work for me for free, if I hadn't done at least "some" legwork previously.
Then, of course, will come the time to put that knowledge to the test. That's the "skill" part, and at that you're alone, unless you have the means to hire a mentor. That's where I'm at, right now. I have gained a great deal of knowledge here, over the last few weeks, and I'm eternally grateful to those that took the time to help me, but I don't daydream: I know this is gonna have a cost, and I'm trying (best I can) to make it as low as possible.

Then again, different people have different circumstances. I can follow Internet courses because I have a computer to download them into, and the knowledge to do so. A lot of people don't.

Any way we normal human beings can install this sh!t? 

Just for the record, I'm Argentinian, currently living in Buenos Aires. We've had 260% weekly inflation, not counting hyperinflation that, as far as I know, nobody even cared to measure.

So a few things we do know about it. The "burn your paycheck quickly" is true, but also stems from having a miserable life and seldom (if ever) having enough to cover life's most basic needs.
The "real estate-cars" thing is BS. Most people simply don't even have the money to RENT a home, let alone owning one. Same with  cars: a car that'd cost USD 20000 in the US is about USD 100000 in Argentina. An average salary is about USD 400 a month. Buying a car as an investment is completely unrealistic here.

"Borrow lots of money"... yeah, in your dreams. First, you need to jump through an ungodly number of hoops to have a chance of borrowing a coin, and then, the normal interest rate is about 100+% a year, and that for the first year. It grows exponentially afterwards.

Same with "negotiating a pay raise". The typical answer would be "NO", period. An employer puts an ad asking for a new employee and taking interviews starting at 9 A.M., and at 5 A.M. there are already 600 people forming a line at their door. There's no negotiating here. You take what you get, or feel free to leave.  
And finally, the "inflation linked bonds". Argentinians barely have enough money to eat and feed their families. They DEFINITELY don't have any to buy bonds. I have personally seen guys scamming people, offering them Bitcoin, with promises of THOUSANDS % IN DAYS, and that's as far as the average Argentinian's investment capacity goes. Maybe, with luck, 10, 20 USD.

Ok, so I've been reading the Telegram FAQ's, and, of course, everything is perfect, and Telegram is the best thing to ever happen to the Internet. And, of course, I don't trust that kind of marketing BS.
So I'm looking for opinions from actual users, and/or people knowing better than me (doesn't take much), or anybody who feels they can add something.

What interests me is security, privacy, and the absence (hopefully) of all the stuff that has made Mark Zuckerberg "sadly famous" as of late.

So... GO!

There's always a point, and if 1000 people ignore your facts but one reads them and happens to think about checking them by themselves, that point has been made.
I will never stop being on the side of hard facts. If you decide to keep going, welcome! It's a long battle, but it's worth it.
The one thing that mystifies me though, is that, in the one country that allows fact checking (the US), conspiracy theorists (and all kinds of ignoramuses) are everywhere, while in other countries (like mine) where people "commit suicide" by shooting themselves in the back of the head, nobody even talks about it. Curious, isn't it? 

Yeah, sure. For the average human being, a gun is a firearm from the very moment it gets off the factory. Maybe you should look up "firearm" in a dictionary, to clear out your doubts.

The FACT that you'd get arrested immediately upon the authorities even suspecting you own a bomb or any illegal firearm (including, but by no means limited to the ones I mentioned above, and you carefully avoided), clearly shows you're nowhere near as free as you think you are. The FACT that you need to keep it under wraps only strengthens my point.

But if you wanna talk about freedom (or lack thereof), let me tell you a bit about it: I actually MADE explosives at home when I was 14. Nothing much, just black powder and nitrocellulose. and I almost killed my dad (and set the house on fire) with the nitrocellulose. Yet the cops didn't show at my doorstep, even when I bought both the nitric and sulfuric acids at a pharmacy, and there was a non-negligible amount of red smoke (and a very rank, irritating smell with it) coming from my house. Try that in the US.

By the way: you can keep avoiding the subject all you want. The good thing about this thread is, if ONE person with a brain reads it, there's gonna be one more person using that brain to try and talk some sense to the rest of you. If not, nothing bad can  ever happen that hasn't happened already.

Gyfts: they don't perform eyesight, hearing, psychological and drugs tests for the driving license in the US?
BTW: a few "incidents"? Really?
I guess 9/11 would be an "incident" for you then, wouldn't it? Or maybe not, because the aggressors were not Americans?
When you drive a car you assume risks. So you do when you breathe. LIFE is dangerous. But there's a tiny bit of a difference between risking for something to go wrong and getting into a room full of people, armed to the teeth, and opening fire on them just because you can. I don't see how some bozo slaughtering kids in a school can be called an "incident", or compared at all with something that happens beyond your control.

I think (and, of course, it's an opinion), the definition of "glory" is highly dependent on the group you belong to, call it "society", "gang", "religion" or whatever. In the end, it's all about achieving a level of satisfaction or status by making an effort to please that group. For example, what I think is a case of people assuming the greatest of sacrifices, the "Divine Wind" ("Kami Kaze"), couldn't have existed in a society that didn't have such an obsession to honoring ones' ancestors, and living basically to serve society. You can say they were fanatics, and whatnot, but the fact is you need to have some big cojones to look death right in the eye and stay the course. 
Throughout history, there have been plenty of examples, big and small, of similar behaviors. In all cases, it comes down to the "gain" you achieve afterwards. It can be about getting yourself killed for a "greater good", or about going out of your way to help somebody, or to protect somebody.
Personally, I think if you do (or don't do) something for the "glory", you're doing it for the wrong reasons. But to each their own...

Hmmm... I guess Tash has got a reputation already.
Gonna have to start knowing you guys better...

Well, the definition of "crime" varies. What I would be worried about is if it's ethical to do so.
Personally, despite practical considerations that have been stated before, I think using somebody else's work without their consent and not giving them due credit for it is morally repugnant.
You can learn before, and then do your own work. The whole "my English is not good" excuse is BS, in my opinion. Like I said before, there's a whole lot of people here whose English is far from perfect (including me), and we go from taking forever to carefully craft each post, to just do their best and let other people to deal with it. 

One thing I forgot: DON'T USE GOOGLE!
Google is very convenient and full featured, but they collect your data and sell it. Use Duck Duck Go as a search engine. Not as pretty, but they don't touch your stuff.

BADEcker: oh, absolutely! let me elaborate your points above:

1. An atom bomb is also private property, and people are not allowed to own one. Same with a brick of cocaine, or heroin, or crystal meth. But let's go back to firearms: a Barrett .50 BMG is also private property, yet people in the US are not allowed to own one. Same with an m-134 mini gun, or an m-61 Vulcan, or a GAU-8. I'd say your "private property" theory is full of bullet holes.

2. Are they? I seem to remember an episode (several, actually, albeit this one was the biggest one), when people rose against the government and were unceremoniously massacred. Google "American Civil War", if you don't know what I'm talking about. or you can also search for "May Day Riots", or the Davidian sect. I don't remember any FBI agents turning against the government then...

Not everybody who owns a gun practices with it. In fact, you'd be surprised to learn how many don't even know how to load one. And no, again, the numbers are a clear indicator of the huge number of gun owners that don't have a clue how to handle them.
In any case, that's beside the point. The argument is about people that are NOT QUALIFIED TO OWN OR BEAR A FIREARM, not about those that don't practice with them.

Again,  your statements only show you don't have a clue what you're talking about. There are a lot of countries in the world in which people have a better quality of life (including a lot more freedom) than the US. In fact, if you take the time to google it, you will see a LOT of statistics about it (most of them originated in the US, curiously), and in NONE OF THEM is the US the best (or even between the top 5) country to live in.
What's painful to see is not the "freedom" owning guns afford you, but the fact (which keeps being carefully ignored by your crowd), that Americans care so little about their countrymen's lives. It's YOUR KIDS that keep being slaughtered, and you don't give a damn.

Really? Doesn't look like it.


What is the truth? The truth is always in the numbers.
Look around. Ask around. Ask everyone you know if they took the vaccine, and ask them how many people they knew have died because of it.
I'll start. I took the vaccine, the Astra-Zeneca shot, both doses. and, last time I checked, I was very much alive and kicking. And I have many friends and acquaintances that have also taken the vaccine (Astra-Zeneca, Sputnik 5 or Sinopharm, which are the available shots in Argentina), and they're all in good health.

In fact, I do. I'm not a US citizen, but I lived in the US for almost 13 years.
The problem is most criminals and lunatics do not have a criminal record, and no test is performed to ascertain if they're actually qualified to own firearms. In that way, it's A LOT less restrictive than a drivers license.


That's the law in your state. But in most US states it's not like that. And  all tweakers are dangerous, and most of them don't have a record. In any case, I mentioned tweakers as an example of people that should not be allowed anywhere near a firearm, but they're not the only example, by any means.


Not in any country. In Argentina you can buy "hot" firearms from the cops.
The difference you keep carefully avoiding is that those which, for any reason, get a "hot" gun in a country where gun ownership and carry is restricted, are automatically risking to be arrested  because of it, while in the US they wouldn't get a second look. In fact, they even risk getting arrested if they bought their gun legally, and are carrying it without a permit.  


No, I wouldn't. To get a driver's license you need to go through medical exams (which incidentally you don't need to get a gun in the  US), and there are laws against "driving under the influence" or "driving while intoxicated". So while driving you're always assuming the risk to get pulled over, especially if you're driving erratically, while that doesn't happen if you're carrying.

BTW, I'm not anti gun. In fact, I used to own one until not long ago.
What I am is anti BS, and, like you said, anti mindless brainwashing. You (and anybody else) can keep avoiding the data for as long as you want, but that doesn't change the facts that have already been stated to death in this thread.
What is upsetting is that non Americans, and people living outside the US actually care more about the lives of your own people than you do.

Thank you, I just did the punycode thing. 
Using adblock plus and forcing https is always a good idea. It's also important to pay attention to the address you're clicking on. Most people don't even look at that.
If a link pops up in your wallet (or your email, or anywhere) and tells you to "update it", DON'T FOLLOW IT, go to your wallet's page and look for the update.  Bookmark sites like Github, so there's no chance of you inadvertently going into the wrong address. But, most importantly BE CAREFUL when you click on a link, always.

uchegod: if I understand this correctly, you gave your post to somebody else for correction and they posted it as if it was theirs.
I can't comment on the legality of it, but, being that I'm also very self conscious about the quality (or lack thereof) of my own English (I'm Argentinian, so I speak Spanish), my advise to you would be to not worry that much about it. You will find most people around here will do their best to understand you and help you out.
Just do your best, and you'll be ok.