You wanted proof of the password change at first
Twipple, it appears you will never STOP forcing me to repeat myself, never STOP ignoring what I actually said and never STOP engaging in revisionist history, so I'm done with your endless BS. /unwatch Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first.
With only a log of these ridiculous password changes being inconclusive, the preponderance has not been reached. Well you said you wanted the IP proof, and thats exactly what I requested and got for you. Then how has your preponderance not been reached ? You are also choosing to ignore any proof I am giving you proving that it was indeed Ume who sent the message to you. |
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I thought in the shower, maybe it would be best if Ume refunded whoever bought Twipple, Twipple got nuked/permabanned*, and whoever's posting on Twipple now simply used one of their other accounts from now on.
This would. But if you look at it the other way, the trust that you and Quickseller added was in March, and the account was sold at January end, and is now a Snr Member. But Still yeah a refund would be fine. But would be better if you can sort it out, that I am willing to provide you all proof . Twipple is a Full Member as of now, NOT Senior. I don't foresee Quickseller removing his trust, so Twipple will remain screwed on trust no matter what. And I really FUCKING HATE HAVING TO REPEAT MYSELF: I could have sworn my initial negative on Twipple (which might have showed under untrusted feedback) was on Jan 31 2015, the day I got the begging PM, and I deleted/replaced it later to shorten my Dropbox URL. Is there a ratings log that shows removals?
It will turn to a senior within the week. I don't understand why you wouldn't remove the negative trust if I am giving you sufficient proof that it was Ume who begged from the account and is the person who deserves the negative trust. If you want, I can offer you money for it, but can't do anything more. What more proof do you want to prove that it was Ume ? You wanted proof of the password change at first, which I specially had to request from theymos, and I provided it to you. I don't see any other reason for you to not remove the negative trust. |
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Well sir if you have any questions to Ume you can ask me .. i forgot the password lol  also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry. Negative feedback is irrelevant. Someone burned Twipple by begging from it the same day that it was sold (or "sold"). Twipple should be nuked/permabanned. *Because whoever did the begging on the Twipple account lit a time-delay fuse to detonate a bomb after the "account sale", which cannot be proven actually occurred, by a preponderance of evidence.
And Why is that ? I bought the account. Accounts don't get permabanned for negative trust or begging. I also have enough evidence to prove it was Ume. |
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So did they also return the money all those who were invested ? Or did they only stop new investments for now ? From what they said before , they didn't show the address of the largest investor. Then why not just refund him, and continue and be transparent with the rest.
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I thought in the shower, maybe it would be best if Ume refunded whoever bought Twipple, Twipple got nuked/permabanned*, and whoever's posting on Twipple now simply used one of their other accounts from now on.
This would. But if you look at it the other way, the trust that you and Quickseller added was in March, and the account was sold at January end, and is now a Snr Member. But Still yeah a refund would be fine. But would be better if you can sort it out, that I am willing to provide you all proof . *Because whoever did the begging on the Twipple account lit a time-delay fuse to detonate a bomb after the "account sale", which cannot be proven actually occurred, by a preponderance of evidence.
Read Below As I hinted at here, anybody can change their forum timezone to make screenshotted posts/PMs appear to be at different times (at intervals +/- 1 hour or more) without needing (and being detected as) Photoshops. Why the obsession with having multiple accounts with stale positive ratings and negs & neutrals most recently? Minor trust score algorithm change - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0;allWell, Time Zone can be changed, but I am more than willing to have an escrow log in to both accounts to make sure the time zones are same, and have them confirm that the message that I received from Ume, was after he sent you that message. |
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^ Less than 3 hours later (and after I believe I originally negrated for the begging - I am always awake at the time it was received), the password is changed via TOR exit node
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Not sure what you meant by that, but if you look at the PM screenshot I provided , It will be clear that the account was sold to me after that PM. PS: This whole thing is for that PM. How about I send you some money ? Anyone in the right mind wouldn't actually be sending that PM , when he knows it can get a negative trust because of it. And I can't help if Ume was stupid enough to do that. |
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What about it ? Does using TOR mean that he and I are the same person ? How does that logic come into play now ? I use TOR because I did not wish to disclose my identity to my other account to any one on the forum. If thats conclusive for you that it proves Ume and I are the same person . Go ahead give the same negative rep to Ume, as according to you we are the same person. Doesn't it make sense that he and I are not the same person, because I am the one who started the scam accusation against him ?
What good will it do to me, to fake the sale ? Did I fake it to beg from you and get some penny bitcoin in exchange for letting my account get a negative rep ?
Please tell me how it makes any sense ? The best I can offer is come to an online chat and let me explain it to you live, without having Quickseller here just post bullshit to manipulate what I am trying to say. I will also start a new thread tomorrow Off Meta, which I will keep self Moderated for the discussion. |
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That would explain why Ume is always around when the OP is trying to give additional points to his argument. It looks like he went to pretty extreme lengths to fake the sale to himself. Thanks for being a fan quickseller, I am sorry you have no life or wife, or any living social life around you, and are forced to earn the money by just posting here. |
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@TheButterZone , please let me know what other proof you want, and how you want to proceed with this. I already provided you with the Password change log, that you requested, and the PM Log. The next thing I can do is, have an escrow log in to the account and verify everything, which I also offered before.
I am heading out, and will await your reply.
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No reason for making this scam thread about me ..
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
Can you admit you sent that message to TheButterZone ? Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and Tdowns account and from the time of the messages prove that it was you. No i do not admit that i sent message to TheButterZone , maybe before asking for loan the Scammer(twipple) sent the pm for begging but i dont .. Well the time the message was sent is 31st January. Anyways, I won't have a problem proving it as you clearly had the account holding on 31st. TheButterZone , how would you like to proceed on this ? Well there is no such reason that i ask for some shit money . in the mean time, I was running an exchange For Pakistani`s you can check my trust. Giving loans. so this means i have enough bitcoins , I would be happy to open a new scam accusation with what you say and what you did with the account, once you get back your account. I don't care about the reason why you begged with the account. @TBZ, PM me and I will be happy to provide you another definite proof that Twipple and Ume are not the same person. |
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No reason for making this scam thread about me ..
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
Can you admit you sent that message to TheButterZone ? Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and Tdowns account and from the time of the messages prove that it was you. No i do not admit that i sent message to TheButterZone , maybe before asking for loan the Scammer(twipple) sent the pm for begging but i dont .. Well the time the message was sent is 31st January. Anyways, I won't have a problem proving it as you clearly had the account holding on 31st. TheButterZone , how would you like to proceed on this ? |
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No reason for making this scam thread about me ..
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
Can you admit you sent that message(begging) to TheButterZone ? Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and the account I bought the account from and from the time of the messages prove that it was you. |
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We do that every day, by respecting withdrawal requests. People all us shady? You are running a campaign for a site much shadier than ours - the sad part is that you know it.....
We come back to the Ponzi discussion. Being insolvent, makes you just like a Ponzi. You will be able to accept withdrawal request and also will be able to make some. But at the end , you will be insolvent, and there will be some users who won't get their money back. Again, maybe English is your third or fourth language. We are solvent and honor all withdrawal request just on-time, small and large ones. I have asked earlier if I can prove it here. Seems to me English is your fifth language. If you are solvent, then provide the necessary proof. If you are not willing to show it, due to the funds of the largest investor, then fine, transfer the rest to another wallet through a mixer or something, and provide the proof to a trusted member. |
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leen invested with us since early March and it is indeed the accumulated investors balance shown, since this are user statistics, not site statistics.
So if I invest 1 BTC then divest it, and repeat 1000 times, it will show that I have invested 1000 BTC? That's retarded. Why would you design it like that? All anyone cares about is the amount people currently have invested, not a sum of all their comings and goings. It's hard to believe that anyone would design a stats page that shows the total of all invests without also showing the total of all divests. What would be the point? What would it mean? It seems more likely to me that those two users are still invested and you have been caught in another lie when you said they aren't. I believe leen is actaully a bitcointalk member and can confirm about the invested amount. Unless he is involved with dadice , I think he will tell the truth. |
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No, it isn't, because one person can have multiple IP addresses across the globe if they want to.
Ofcourse they can, but you wanted the log for the password change, which I was able to get for you through theymos. Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first.
With only a log of these ridiculous password changes being inconclusive, the preponderance has not been reached. What you wanted was the log for PM change. The PM change log doesn't show the IP anyways, which I provided to you as a courtesy and theymos didn't. How is it inconclusive in anyway ? |
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While the account does appear to be sold, it does not change the fact that the OP engaged in extremely unethical behavior by opening a scam accusation against the seller ~2 hours before buying it via an alt.
Unethical how ? I just bought an account from him, at the right market price. I didn't ask him to give it to me for cheap because of the loan either. Plus, its not worth a negative rep because I am not scamming anyone in any way. He had pressure to get rid of any accounts that he owned because he would have feared them receiving negative trust. You used a different account to buy the account then you used to open the scam accusation, you know there was a reason for that in that you didn't want him to know that you were buying the account even though you openly buy accounts. If you used lolled to try to buy it then you would be running the risk of him pointing this out and your credibility ruined. Ok, Firstly, I do not wish to let this discussion affect the negative trust on my account by TBZ in anyway, as its not related to this in anyway, so if you want to discuss it through, then PM me. I will just do it one last time for you. Obviously, I wouldn't have used my original account. I actually bought the account to prove that there was something fishy, and since I was also getting it for the market price(Note , it was 0.05 for a Member acccount ) , I didn't mind. And him pointing out would not ruin my credibility, as its not scamming to buy accounts. Additionally the fact that Ume is almost always around at roughly the same time you are around to back up your statements/claims makes me further suspicious that you are somehow associated with him despite the evidence to the contrary above.
I thought we were over with this phase. I started the initial scam accusation against him, and it was also during the loan with him that an address was posted. Being around at the same time is not my fault. Just because you Quickseller spend your life on the forum, and are online at the same time with another guy, doesn't mean you are him. |
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Let me guess what might happen next. Tomorrow they will come up , and say that all these discussions have affected their business, and some big investor divested from the site. So if their original amount was 500 BTC , then only 100 BTC is left. And they will just show the proof of that.
Some proof is better than no proof. Anything over 200 btc is good, if they are willing to share that. Their bankroll currently shows around 756 BTC invested. 200 BTC is actually not good enough. If they used the investor funds for other things, or faked even half of the investment data, then they will be able to show that much proof. |
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We do that every day, by respecting withdrawal requests. People all us shady? You are running a campaign for a site much shadier than ours - the sad part is that you know it.....
We come back to the Ponzi discussion. Being insolvent, makes you just like a Ponzi. You will be able to accept withdrawal request and also will be able to make some. But at the end , you will be insolvent, and there will be some users who won't get their money back. |
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While the account does appear to be sold, it does not change the fact that the OP engaged in extremely unethical behavior by opening a scam accusation against the seller ~2 hours before buying it via an alt.
Unethical how ? I just bought an account from him, at the right market price. I didn't ask him to give it to me for cheap because of the loan either. Plus, its not worth a negative rep because I am not scamming anyone in any way. |
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No, it isn't, because one person can have multiple IP addresses across the globe if they want to.
Ofcourse they can, but you wanted the log for the password change, which I was able to get for you through theymos. As for Ume and me being the same person, here is a thread by me : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941505.0I started a scam accusation against Ume, for couple of things. Which should make it obvious that he and I are not the same person. The thread was started before any negative trust came on either Ume or Twipple. |
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