Hi guys, does anyone know how to request a refund from Minersource.com?
Send them an email. |
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Could be that, a hacker found a security hole on havelock but was smart enough not to do things too suspicious, so he attacked one small fish, and waiting to do more bit by bit.
Why? Why not empty havelocks hotwallet while you can? Soon they will add some better security features hopefully preventing things like this. Anyways we should stay on topic. Or create a separate thread for discussion about the hack. |
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A miner which use asicminer gen3 chip now on pre-sale, the poster is very famous in Chinese Bitcoin circle. This is the translation of the weibo post: Miner presale Details: Miner price :11000 RMB/T (1813 USD/T), full payment in advance. Power consumption: 600W/T. If a single miner's speed doesn't meet the design requirements, or beyond the design requirements, in accordance 11000RMB / T price, refund for any overpayment or a supplemental payment for any deficiency. If you order more than 10T , it is 10000RMB/T. April 20 is the deadline, if not shipped on time, we'll give you a full refund!Tel: 13581816335 Zhao Dong's QQ group: 326548639 In the weibo below, one people replys: So cheap, is it Asicminer's chip? Zhao replys:"Yes" Then he ask again: Asicminer's gen3 haven't tapeout yet, can it mass production in April? Zhao replys:"Almost" Sorry for my poor English translation, the original weibo can be found here: http://weibo.com/1658066713/AwIw85hLyI have snapshoted the weibo and the chat. Actually I don't think they will use chips from AM in the first patch of miner. FYI, they have their own ASIC chips and it is already taped out. Zhao is the owner of the miner company. They don't have their own asic, and Zhao stated clearly they will use asicminer's chip. Indeed they have ordered wafers from AM, but AM is NOT their ONLY supplier. According to what he said in a QQ group, their have their OWN chips and would also order chips from KnC and Avalon. April 20 is not the deadline for shipment, but for the launch of their own hosting service. Estimated delivery date is from Apr. 20 to 27. Correct me if i'm wrong. I didn't notice they mentioned KnC. You are right, AM is not their only chips supplier and they claimed they have their own chips. Why would they want to use knc less efficient chips when they will be shipping months after AM. |
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A miner which use asicminer gen3 chip now on pre-sale, the poster is very famous in Chinese Bitcoin circle. This is the translation of the weibo post: Miner presale Details: Miner price :11000 RMB/T (1813 USD/T), full payment in advance. Power consumption: 600W/T. If a single miner's speed doesn't meet the design requirements, or beyond the design requirements, in accordance 11000RMB / T price, refund for any overpayment or a supplemental payment for any deficiency. If you order more than 10T , it is 10000RMB/T. April 20 is the deadline, if not shipped on time, we'll give you a full refund!Tel: 13581816335 Zhao Dong's QQ group: 326548639 In the weibo below, one people replys: So cheap, is it Asicminer's chip? Zhao replys:"Yes" Then he ask again: Asicminer's gen3 haven't tapeout yet, can it mass production in April? Zhao replys:"Almost" Sorry for my poor English translation, the original weibo can be found here: http://weibo.com/1658066713/AwIw85hLyI have snapshoted the weibo and the chat. Is this legit? If so how do I buy one? Seems like a great deal. Half the price of a knc neptune and less power consumption. If you are interested, PM me. If its not using asicminer chips I would be cautious. Specs are nice but I would need to see a working product before sending my money. |
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BA cannot simply disappear because they have a company bank account/contracts with 3rd parties/physical location some have visited. I stand corrected! I forgot all about Hookah Man visiting the Chinese plant (no pun intended). Do you really think hookah man can just disappear? I literally just bought a graphics card shipped via ups so I think he would definitely be leaving a paper trail behind. I think its nearly impossible they commit multimillion dollar fraud while accepting bank transfers. |
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The only way left that it could be a scam would be if they make the miners and keep them for themselves instead of shipping them. In which case, we'll burn bobsag3 at the stake for not getting us our miners lol.
And that's not very likely considering it would be more profitable to have a good reputation and sell more miners in the future rather than invest all this time and energy into such an elaborate "scam".
Why go through the effort to make your own chips? With nre costs at a few million dollars it would make mote sense to instead go with asicminer chips or something if it was a scam. |
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The arguments you are making against BA are embarrasing if anything at all. Why not wait 4 days and see if tapeout has begun? (Confirmed by verisilicon) Why attempt to create FUD? Seriously Its obvious you are putting lots of effort trying to prove its a scam but your arguments are incredibly weak. BA cannot simply disappear because they have a company bank account/contracts with 3rd parties/physical location some have visited. Who honestly believes being featured in magazines/crappy blogs has anything to do with the legitimacy of a company. Take a look at hashfast and please report back. So are you saying that the people at Verisilicon - who personally confirmed tapeout to me directly - are in on this scam?
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I think he is. That or you are in on the scam (maybe I am as well?) |
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There's no proof for that, but I'm pretty confident that that's how it would go, as well. They want it both ways. (As evidenced in the Hashfast refund issues)
I'm not trying to defend anyone against anything but I think we have a few months to go before we enter Hashfast Territory, in any sense, if at all. Yeah, at least we've got proof of impending tapeout. That and technically they haven't missed the ship date yet, though they have said they're going to, and Hashfast was nearly 4 months late from the original ship date and they still haven't fulfilled batch 1 completely. So BA has a long way to fall yet, in spite of the disappointments.  Don't forget about hashfast promising miner protection and never actually shipping it and BA offering compensation for delays even though it was never part of the deal. And assuming everything goes according to plan the chips will be more powerful and efficient than original specs. |
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Delays =scam?
You should probably not be preordering hardware.
Blackarrow has more factory photos than most companies despite being a private company. And tapeout begins in 4 days.
Seriously please do a little more research. Most of the questions/conspiracy theories in your 20 paragraphs can easily be answered by reading blackarrows post history/ecointalk/google.
Why are you so determined to prove its a scam?
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Best way would be to keep all funds in original currency and pay back in same currency. But I doubt this is the case since BA required some preorder funds for nre.
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A miner which use asicminer gen3 chip now on pre-sale, the poster is very famous in Chinese Bitcoin circle. This is the translation of the weibo post: Miner presale Details: Miner price :11000 RMB/T (1813 USD/T), full payment in advance. Power consumption: 600W/T. If a single miner's speed doesn't meet the design requirements, or beyond the design requirements, in accordance 11000RMB / T price, refund for any overpayment or a supplemental payment for any deficiency. If you order more than 10T , it is 10000RMB/T. April 20 is the deadline, if not shipped on time, we'll give you a full refund!Tel: 13581816335 Zhao Dong's QQ group: 326548639 In the weibo below, one people replys: So cheap, is it Asicminer's chip? Zhao replys:"Yes" Then he ask again: Asicminer's gen3 haven't tapeout yet, can it mass production in April? Zhao replys:"Almost" Sorry for my poor English translation, the original weibo can be found here: http://weibo.com/1658066713/AwIw85hLyI have snapshoted the weibo and the chat. Is this legit? If so how do I buy one? Seems like a great deal. Half the price of a knc neptune and less power consumption. they accept hosting miners for their customers, but you need to pay for the electricity fee, about 0.15 dollar per KWH Can you buy one and have it shipped? Not really interested in hosting. Hoping they will be selling gen3 cubes. Even though mining seems extremely unprofitable at these btc rates a gen3 cube would probably be the only asic I would buy right now (assuming $2/gh). Even bitmain isn't looking that great at 2.7btc for only 200gh/s and like 3 x less efficient. |
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You know who is shipping miners in two weeks for just 5.50 a Ghs? Bitmaintech. Step yo game up BA, shit!  BA is ~2/gh asicminer next gen is less than 2/gh bitmain is gonna have to step up their game. |
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Contract with verisilicon was confirmed. So unless a large, established semiconductor company is in on the scam it doesn't make sense.
I cannot find any credible proof the contract with verisilicon, except for a press release by them as well as in their website. There's not statement or mentioning form verisilicon. verisilicon seems to be a Chinese company. Generally, if English are not their native langauge, they just hire a website company to translate their website. Their staff neither read English news at all nor search/surf in English. (I know this because I work in Asia, with people who would just ignore the entire English speaking news.) If Black Arrow were a scam, the guys would probably know the people at verisilicon and take advantage of this. So, they posted some news about verisilicon knowing they won't be informed. Someone (an angry customer) emailed verisilicon sales and they confirmed.
I search this forum but cannot find this history record. How did you know about this matter? OK. I'm thinking of sending a email to verisilicon. What do you think? Why would a company go through all the effort to design fpgas, design boards/controllers for bitfury miners, and fake a contract with a large semiconductor company just to create a very convincing scam? If they can do all that they might as well just make the chips since they would definitely have the technical know how. Yes, I did considered they delivered some products being delivered by them. First, they are just too few of them (only a couple could be found on Google), so the "customers" who received them could be their own people. Second, we cannot verify they are legitimate products, ie. they can take some boards from the market and show it. This scam operation is millions of dollars. All they have done, even if they have 20 scammers all working along and all those fake deliveries, do not even cost a couple tens of thousands of dollars. How would scammers probably know someone working at verisilicon? Makes absolutely no sense. Verisilicon is a huge company. They have offices around the world not only in china. You can find the proof in an email in the black arrow thread a few pages back. If you don't believe me or the guy who emailed them, please email them yourself (be sure to contact chinese branch) No they cannot just take some boards from the market. How would they get by selling another companies boards as their own? |
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Has contract with verisilicon
The only thing I can find with "verisilicon" is a quote from their own website. Are they any verified proof from the company called "verisilicon"? If Black Arrow is a scam operation, it is a well-coordinated, full-time and multiple multiple members operation. They are defrauding millions of dollars during a long-run (since September till they cannot hold it any more when they will just disappear) operation. They even have people with well-qualified engineering background to write those technical documents. Someone (an angry customer) emailed verisilicon sales and they confirmed. Why would a company go through all the effort to design fpgas, design boards/controllers for bitfury miners, and fake a contract with a large semiconductor company just to create a very convincing scam? If they can do all that they might as well just make the chips since they would definitely have the technical know how. |
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Has delivered bitcoin fpgas
Has delivered bitfury asics
Has contract with verisilicon
To who? Where is the proof? I did saw some guys posting they received items delivered from Black Arrow, but they could be in cahoots with the scammers. Delivered fpgas to many people. Still delivering bitfury boards. Contract with verisilicon was confirmed. So unless a large, established semiconductor company is in on the scam it doesn't make sense. Reason for no pics is because case designs are not 100% complete as chips have not even begun tapeout. There are a bunch of pics of the factory with a bunch of the bitfury asics they sell. private company =/= scam |
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Yeah their company seems a bit sketchy but they are legit.
Just you saying "they are legit", without caring to debunk any accusation, nor providing any proof? Seriously? Is this the best you can do? Its just not worth the time. He can do the research himself. Also see my OP |
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Has delivered bitcoin fpgas
Has delivered bitfury asics
Has contract with verisilicon
Literally every one of your questions has been answered before. Plase do a little research before creating a ridiculously long and uninformed post..
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Seems like this is the default wiki for bitcoin so why do they advertise so many scams? An example of how horrible their pages are: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparisonSo many obvious scam companies and missing many legit ones. Anyone know someone who can edit the page? |
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A miner which use asicminer gen3 chip now on pre-sale, the poster is very famous in Chinese Bitcoin circle. This is the translation of the weibo post: Miner presale Details: Miner price :11000 RMB/T (1813 USD/T), full payment in advance. Power consumption: 600W/T. If a single miner's speed doesn't meet the design requirements, or beyond the design requirements, in accordance 11000RMB / T price, refund for any overpayment or a supplemental payment for any deficiency. If you order more than 10T , it is 10000RMB/T. April 20 is the deadline, if not shipped on time, we'll give you a full refund!Tel: 13581816335 Zhao Dong's QQ group: 326548639 In the weibo below, one people replys: So cheap, is it Asicminer's chip? Zhao replys:"Yes" Then he ask again: Asicminer's gen3 haven't tapeout yet, can it mass production in April? Zhao replys:"Almost" Sorry for my poor English translation, the original weibo can be found here: http://weibo.com/1658066713/AwIw85hLyI have snapshoted the weibo and the chat. Is this legit? If so how do I buy one? Seems like a great deal. Half the price of a knc neptune and less power consumption. |
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