Here at Havelock we take security issues very seriously.
We have never had any issues with users that enabled 2FA on their account. We have contacted the person that has made the claim that is account has been compromised and are looking to resolve the matter has soon as possible.
Trying to balance ease of use and security is never easy, especially in the Bitcoin realm. We can always add additional security features but those will always slow down the user experience.
So we turn to you, our valued customers, what features would like us to add to our platform?
1. Confirmation email before any action is taken; some but not all actions.
2. Pending withdrawal of your Bitcoins; time lock?
3. Lock account by IP address?
We always value your opinions and we strive to serve the Bitcoin community to the best of our ability.
Also we can assure everyone that it was not an "inside rogue employee"
Thank you,
Support Team
Havelock Investments
Yes to every one of those. (Instant bitcoin withdrawals worries me a bit) Also maybe requiring a pin before placing orders/doing anything like btct.co would be nice. |
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They basically said exactly what BA had been telling us. If that would be a violation of the NDA, then BA would have been in violation of it a long time ago. Specifics about the deal are under NDA most likely, not broad facts that BA has been telling us this whole time (ie 28nm ASIC being made by verisilicon and globalfoundries)
Yes, I understand...but that does not detract from standard corporate policy of...keeping you mouth shut. BA can say all they want...it's their Tech. But Veri is under an NDA and That email blows it right out of the water. Think about it. How long do you think a company that handles other company's proprietary technology under NDAs would last if they had employees that talked to general population about said technology? It doesn't make sense...IMO Handing out proprietary technology =/= Confirming a non-secretive contract with a company BlackArrow had asked earlier that some people contact Verisilicon. I would assume that prior to doing that, he/she/they/it would have contacted Verisilicon and said "some fuckstains will be contacting you. This is what you can reveal without us getting butthurt" or something to that effect. What was addressed in the reply was not proprietary information, as BlackArrow has stated a relationship with Verisilicon since they first announced the project. Confirmations of this sort are not unheard of. More often it relates to "established" press people, but the internets have changed that paradigm beyond recognition, so that does not trouble me. On a side note, Phinneas Gage is not trolling. Trolling is dragging a baited line behind a boat. PG is dynamite fishing.  Couldn't have said it better myself. But about pg, I am not sure if it is considered trolling under the textbook definition, but a "crusade" set on making BA look bad based on incredibly flimsy findings certainly doesn't help anyone. |
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That's pretty scary. Not sure what other attack vectors there might be except for some Havelock employee gone rogue or a security breach at their servers. Maybe your email account is compromised and they used it for some social engineering shenanigans (which would also be hard with you noticing).
Why would a rogue havelock employee sell his shares instead of just the bitcoins from one of the guys with a buy order? Anyways I would try to contact havelock and see if they can dig up any further info. If it is a security breach on their end then that would be very serious. Not sure about how 2fa can be breached along with your password. My guess would be an infected pc (keylogger or something). |
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but black arrow are purportedly the designers of the hardware, and very silly con, the manufacturers... so WHO ARE working the REAL fab-houses for Black Arrow, or is that just a step too far?
i'll wait for these posts to be deleted, AGAIN.
Probably TSMC. possibly, but TSMC are currently putting full endeavour into 20nm (2 fab houses) and according to news, are opening another 2 fab houses in march.. doesn't leave much space to fab old tech? I may be wrong but i don't see why they would be making 28nm, when they have facility to produce 20nm... I'd reckon they'd be more focussed on doing the new tech, and progressing to 14nm... thoughts? Do you have any idea about what you're talking about. Sorry if that sounds rude but literally a few posts before you someone confirmed the chips will be made by global foundries. And just because 20nm exists doesn't mean the larger process sizes are useless. IIRC tsmc only made like 25% of their revenue from 28nm and the rest from larger sizes. Also the advantages of 20nm may not be significant enough to justify the nre costs. |
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They basically said exactly what BA had been telling us. If that would be a violation of the NDA, then BA would have been in violation of it a long time ago. Specifics about the deal are under NDA most likely, not broad facts that BA has been telling us this whole time (ie 28nm ASIC being made by verisilicon and globalfoundries)
Yes, I understand...but that does not detract from standard corporate policy of...keeping you mouth shut. BA can say all they want...it's their Tech. But Veri is under an NDA and That email blows it right out of the water. Think about it. How long do you think a company that handles other company's proprietary technology under NDAs would last if they had employees that talked to general population about said technology? It doesn't make sense...IMO Handing out proprietary technology =/= Confirming a non-secretive contract with a company |
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Sorry, I left something unredacted in the last post. Here it is again: (20nm hypothesis was wrong, so what's the "surprise"? hmmm)  That initial email goozman96 sent was to their default sales email, unless all those sales emails were compromised, everything sounds like it checks out. This basically answers my question but if goozman can confirm that would be nice |
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Lol comprised email? That's the best you can come up with?
You fudsters are really running out of juice now. Maybe take a few days off to recharge your batteries and come back when you have any legit criticism.
Also sending an email to a nonexistent email address normally forwards to the companies catch all address. So unless verisilicon is incredibly incompetent I think the email is legit. Not sure why I bother addressing the fudsters as you will be back with more conspiracies tomorrow.
Anyways thanks goozman96 for giving us the details even though it might pain you to say something in support of BA (considering you didn't seem to happy with them not too long ago)
I have a horse in this race so I want BA to be successful. I was just highly dissatisfied with their support and response to questions/concerns. The reason it was pointed out that the email had been compromised in the past was because of this link: http://dazzlepod.com/csdn/?page=4893In addition, you can do a search for verisilicon and see: http://dazzlepod.com/csdn/?email=verisiliconBut the person that was CCed in the email to me does not have his email on that list of compromised emails (mind you, this is from several years ago). Who did you send the email to? If it was directly to the guy who got his email account stolen then that could raise some concerns. (Although you would think verisilicon could easily deactivate or change passwords even if it was compromised.) But if you sent your email to their support and got a reply from this guy I would see no reason to be concerned. |
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Lol comprised email? That's the best you can come up with?
You fudsters are really running out of juice now. Maybe take a few days off to recharge your batteries and come back when you have any legit criticism.
Also sending an email to a nonexistent email address normally forwards to the companies catch all address. So unless verisilicon is incredibly incompetent I think the email is legit. Not sure why I bother addressing the fudsters as you will be back with more conspiracies tomorrow.
Anyways thanks goozman96 for giving us the details even though it might pain you to say something in support of BA (considering you didn't seem to happy with them not too long ago)
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Honestly, if the account was still compromised, he wouldn't CC his reply to someone else in the same company, because it's probably standard protocol to document all emails.
I just want to clarify that you have contacted verisilicon and received confirmation of a contract with BA? Is there still any reason to believe there is some bullshit going on? Its very hard to understand whats going on with all the fudsters spamming this thread. |
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Pg will you delete your account when BA delivers? Seriously how many companies will you need to be wrong about before you give up with the conspiracy theories?
Do we need to get your buddy biomech in here to tell you to calm the fuck down again? Seems he is the only one who knows where your off switch is located.
Why are you so hostile and defensive for this anonymous company that has collected so much money from members here and failed to produce on time? PG comes up with the good dirt, and its a funny way to pass the time. If you are just acting like this because you are scared that you got ripped off as well, why don't you request a refund from BA and see how that goes. Honest companies do things differently. I am interested in finding out the truth. There is a possibility BA is a scam and I and many others would love to know if that's the case. However what PG is doing is distracting from the real investigating to be done. And the reason I have not requested a refund is because I actually believe they will deliver. Since placing my preorder there has been nothing but constant communication and updates from BA and no evidence to suggest they are doing anything other than what they say. |
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Pg will you delete your account when BA delivers? Seriously how many companies will you need to be wrong about before you give up with the conspiracy theories?
Do we need to get your buddy biomech in here to tell you to calm the fuck down again? Seems he is the only one who knows where your off switch is located.
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This is a long con. I don't doubt that for a second.
Almost took your post seriously until I saw the cex.io link in your signature. CEX.io isn't a scam, it's just a bad idea if you think you can use it to mine. I use it to trade and for that it's a very good idea if you know what you're doing. It has predictable trading patterns and no fees, it's a trading no brainer. And since I used to be a futures trader, I have a pretty good idea what I'm doing on that front. So what was your point again? Couldn't find anything in my actual post that you could attack so you pick on my signature instead? LOL "CEX.io: A bad idea if you think you can use it to mine." Should be their new slogan. It seems pretty scummy to me that you would advertise such a service you know will not return profit on its investors. As for your post it really only consisted of "BA is bad mmkay" Serious question: Have any of you armchair sleuths tried contacting verisilicon (The people making the chips for BA)? Surely you would be able to dig up some shit more convincing than what you have done so far. |
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This is a long con. I don't doubt that for a second.
Almost took your post seriously until I saw the cex.io link in your signature. |
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Truth hurts, don't it?
Honestly, what's the point? Are you trying to prove Matt has never hosted miners in MO or CO? He wants to bring down BA/any other company by creating as much FUD and order cancellations as possible. Maybe he has an antminer and thinks he can have an effect on the difficulty that way. That or he is paid by bfl to troll competitors. Just a conspiracy theory of mine. Either way if you just ignore and don't quote him, his posts will get deleted and it will be like he was never here. Anyways back on topic? |
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As it seems that he is doing his best to mislead our customers by claiming that we're are not genuine, we have asked Phinnaeus Gage to contact VeriSilicon to confirm if we are doing the Bitcoin mining ASIC with them. He has refused twice. As he has posted more than 170 messages here (all deleted by us) and he is replying every few seconds shows that he has a lot of spare time and writing an email to VeriSilicon would not be a time issue for him. The refusal to check if we are legit leads us to suspect that he might have a hidden agenda. Please find below a snapshot which supports our comments: Re: Rolla, MO is a small town...
« Sent to: blackarrow on: Today at 11:12:41 AM »
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Quote from: blackarrow on Today at 11:01:27 AM
In order to resume conversation with us, please paste the reply you've got from Verisilicon regarding our chip.
Regards!
Obviously, you have lost your fuckin' mind! I didn't contact Verisilicon because I believe there is no fuckin' way they should be releasing information about Black Arrow due to an NDA. The onus is on you to request of them to post publicly the relationship you two have with one another, along with the status and why the delay of the chip. What I provided you has nothing to do with Verisilicon, and everything to do with who you've vetted as your resellers. You seriously don't have a clue as to how this revelation and your failure to act is going to put Black Arrow in a pickle due to cancellations of orders, do you? Please PM me the information to do this, I will contact Verisilicon and confirm they are working on a product for you. I will then leave a write up of my experiences. I will need phone number and any information that is needed to verify your claims. Pls update your progress. +2 Would love to hear some serious findings from anyone who is not PG. |
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Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.
because intel are providing bitcoin miner manufacturers with chips, clearly. So you admit that TSMC is clearly not the first to make 20nm chips? I just make it all up as I go along.
FTFY as i said, good luck with your pre-order. and yes, that was the first mass tapeout of 20nm chips. the news was released on the 17th january 2014, and the article states there are 10 or so clients already in place.. further fab will not commence until may 2014. so while you are at home chugging away on your anticipation of 20nm chips, i'm busy hashing. don't get me wrong, I DO want you to have your rig, i DO want you to be part of the network and i DO want you to be profitable in everything you do. I'm simply putting some realism into the greed I see afore me. again, all I am saying, stinks of FRAUD - i hope that I am wrong. You stink of FUD |
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Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.
because intel are providing bitcoin miner manufacturers with chips, clearly. So you admit that TSMC is clearly not the first to make 20nm chips? I just make it all up as I go along.
FTFY |
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whenever anyone voices an opinion which is contrary to what you believe, you call it FUD and begin a barrage of abuse. the reasonable mind would debate such opinions, but you clearly have no opinion of your own, but to follow blindly. may I just add this note: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20140116220015_TSMC_Begins_Volume_Production_of_Chips_Using_20nm_Process_Technology.html^this was the first announcement of a 20nm tapeout. please also note my opinion - NONE of these first 20nm chips are being used in bitcoin mining rigs, so your 'expectations' that black arrow have ditched 28nm and are going for 20nm, is, unfortuately for you, laughable. best luck with your 'pre-order' (sometime around 2015 q3 delivery)  You are so uninformed it is painful to read. First of all, FUD is fear, uncertainty and doubt, which is exactly what you and the other circle jerking fudsters are doing. Second: I make my opinions based on facts. Black arrow has, in fact, produced and sold working bitcoin FPGAs and bitfury asics. Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then. Fourth: Only one person made the speculation that they ditched 28nm for 20nm. How did you come to assume that all of us think this? It is ridiculous to imagine BA can just simply switch to 20nm from 28nm. Fifth: Why are you bashing preorders now when you literally just said you and your family were considering them? |
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this is all beginning to look like a massive FRAUD
'some of us are in europe, some of us are not, but nahnahnahnahnah nah, we're not telling you.'
stinks of fraud to me.
And the guy who's been bringing this to light keeps getting his posts deleted from this thread, sans a comment from said deleter to address ANY concerns his investomers have, in spite of it was them who put Black Arrow where they supposedly are now--flush with bitcoins. Make no mistake, it's Alex Sovu, a convicted felon, who's behind Black Arrow, putting in place layers, read resellers, between said entity and their/his investomers, with the resellers conducting the sales, including their very own Rival downunder in the land of OZ. My family and I (a proper group buy) were looking in november/december last year which equipment to pre-order. to upgrade our garage space... Black Arrow website wasn't long on the screen before we just looked at each other, and shook our heads. just saying. You fudsters aren't even trying anymore are you? |
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This is what happens when a company decides not to be public; people do their own digging. And whether or not some stuff is true or some stuff is false will fall on deaf ears because y'all chose to be as private and secretive as possible.
What made them lose your trust? Giving updates about delays? You ordered from a private company and because they had delays you want them to transform into a public company? They have responded to nearly all of the questions (most retarded/unhelpful like yours) in this thread so I don't know how that makes them as secretive as possible. I am almost starting to think this is just a PG alt account |
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