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2621  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🔥Sportbook and Casino: BITSLER > $10,000 DAILY Wagering contest < on: August 30, 2020, 09:10:43 AM
hello

I am only posting this after trying to work with support and them lying and plain out not understanding basic sportsook stuff.

I placed a bet on esports soccer. It was a live bet and as you know when a bet is placed live on soccer if goal is scored bet is rejected and not placed.

When i placed the bet at exact same time i placed the bet  a goal was scored and bet was rejected due to a error they let it go throgh and  I then contacted them right away and told them bet was a error and even told them how it was easy to check by comparing time of goal and bet was accpeted. It was exactly same time so obivouis bet error.   i even showed them live stream and there own site. They said to wait . I did they asked for error mesage i gave it to them it to them and they made waited more time. Then they asked exact same question 8 hours later. and ater 28 hours they reply no error bet stands.
Now i know they did not look at any of my proof or therre own backoffice. They just wanted to keep my money . I do want to say from talking to them its obvouis they know very little about sports betting or even there own software. I sent very detailed proof showing it was impossible for there not be a error. they then got back to me with a bs excuses about bet i tried to placed 30 second before not bet i placed at all showing scam or that they should not be running a sportsbook. They dont even know how to use there wn system they said bet was placed at 11:36:00 which was start time not bet time as it shows clearly in my proof bet was placed at 11:36:26 same time goal was scored. You can see shis buy just watching live stream. Its clear cut case of a scam or knowing nothing about sportsbetting.


PROOF

live stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1lrGaO791Q


1:33:35 into live stream Goal was scored exactly same time of bet  26 second into start of play.


Bet: https://imgur.com/a/fxNg6X6  as you can see it match started at 11:36:00 and in upper right hand corner bet was placed at 11:36:26

as you can see goal was scored same time as bet and should have been easly rejected for a live bet


All i want is real reply from BITSLER or someone that knows what there doing




I see the goal being scored at 14:36:34 on the archived live feed you linked, which I assume after adjusting for time zone was 8 or 9 seconds after the bet was accepted.








2622  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: August 30, 2020, 06:20:50 AM
It's equally crazy how I've debunked your "I can't breathe" nonsense about 10 times yet you keep repeating it as if it holds any weight. Floyd screeching he couldn't breathe before he even went to the ground makes his words meaningless. We have the video and the autopsy. He was screaming at the top of his lungs for 6 minutes and lifting his head up numerous times. He could breathe.

When someone says they can't breath they don't literally mean 'I can not draw any air into my lungs.  They mean it's harder to breath than normal.[/quote]

But setting the video aside, I wish we had an autopsy report that would examine the neck tissue of George Floyd. If only.




I'm thinking you haven't actually watched any of the raw footage of the 10 minutes.  Please do it. Try to watch the whole thing and think about the way you would feel if that was one of the people in your life that you cared about even though they make bad choices.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn2idiz2GEI&bpctr=1598769408



2623  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: August 30, 2020, 05:25:35 AM
Your reluctance is palpable here when you can't even cite the single piece of evidence that would validate your entire argument and essentially end the conversation.

To answer the question I asked you -- there isn't evidence of asphyxiation or strangulation which is why you are failing miserably at providing it.

It's like we live in different universes or something, I'm not arguing in bad faith or trolling.  It really is crazy to me that anyone could think there isn't any evidence that Flloyd died because the cop kneeled on his neck for so long.






2624  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: August 30, 2020, 02:35:26 AM
Yes.  We do.  There's footage and transcripts.
(for the record I don't think the other officers deserve to be charged)

What evidence do you have the officers were willfully attempting to hurt/kill Floyd? You know the other officers were George Floyd pressing down on his thoracic cavity right? Presumably making it hard to breathe, why shouldn't they be charged? Don't you see holes in the logic here?
You can keep asking and the answer won't change.  The evidence is the footage, transcripts and medical reports that we've been discussing.

Are you really arguing that because I believe that the other officers shouldn't be charged and were means that it's illogical to believe the officer who had his knee on Flloyds neck for 8 minutes while he screamed and died does?

Do you really think that the way the other officers pressed on Flloyds chest is the same as being on top of him with your knee on his neck for 8 minutes while he screams and dies?

That's the press report that's made in conjugation with the DA's office (if I understand correctly) aka not the autopsy report.

If you think "Cadriopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression" isn't the cause of death, even though it's at the top of the report and their official public statement says 'cause of death: Cadriopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression', then I don't know what to tell you. 

Obviously I could show you the second medical examiners report that has the cause of death as asphyxiation, but you've already decided to just ignore that one.

I'm talking about a conviction. Any brain dead AG can slap on charges in response to violent riots. A corrupt DA can also slap on charges that are baseless -- see the Rayshard Brooks shooting for an example of that.
You're talking about your opinion on whether or not the cop did something wrong.  We have no way of knowing for sure what a jury would decide, and even then, it's not like a jury verdict would change either of our opinions on the situation.

It doesn't matter what Floyd said. Criminals say a lot of things while being arrested.
Gross. That's really what it comes down to, those who think it doesn't matter what the guy said and those that do. 

Empathy is not a weakness.
2625  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: August 30, 2020, 12:46:07 AM
Malice intent doesn't mean willfully trying to kill.  It just means acting with malice.  None of the officers are being accused of intentionally trying to kill Flloyd.

Malice means with ill will and there is no evidence that the officers were willfully trying to harm Floyd.  

Yes.  We do.  There's footage and transcripts.
(for the record I don't think the other officers deserve to be charged)




It's about the way he was restrained, not whether or not restraining him at all was justified.

Full restraint, including neck restraint, is common when dealing with people with delirious drug induced episodes. And if you watch the full body cam video, they only placed Floyd in full restraint, including neck control, after he was flapping around like a fish taking 3 grown ass men to put him in a patrol car which ultimately failed. He was also kicking his legs throughout the entire commotion, and Floyd is 6'4 233 pounds. MPD policy does allow neck restraint in these sorts of situations.

I haven't seen anyone claim that cops should never apply pressure to someones neck to restrain them.  


The reason the cop is charged with murder is because he kept his knee on Flloyds neck for 8 minutes while Flloyd said he couldn't breath and then stopped breathing after:
He explained he wasn't trying to resist arrest, just getting into the back of the car.
He offered to get on his knees.
He offered to lay on the ground.
He didn't try to run away.
He didn't try to hurt anyone.
He didn't have any weapons.


The "cause of death" you're referring to is the "case title" of the autopsy report which explain the circumstances surrounding the death, not necessarily the cause of death.




In order to support your argument, you need to completely ignore one medical examiners report, ignore the footage of the cop killing him (but bring attention to the footage of Flloyd refusing to get in the back of the car), and pretend like the other  medical reports cause of death is 'just the case title'.  Think about it.


2626  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: August 29, 2020, 08:35:11 PM
In legal context, murder usually means a killing with malice intent, which is why I'm not using the word murder unless evidence is released that Chauvin and the other officers willfully were trying to kill Floyd.

Malice intent doesn't mean willfully trying to kill.  It just means acting with malice.  None of the officers are being accused of intentionally trying to kill Flloyd.


That's the wrong question to ask. The question to ask is what's the justification for restraining Floyd. The police officers involved can't control that Floyd had underlying conditions or that he took drugs which contributed to his heart stopping when he was being restrained.
It's about the way he was restrained, not whether or not restraining him at all was justified.


You might be quick to say that Chauvin had control over his knee on the back of Floyd's neck, but I'll repeat it again, that isn't what directly caused death. The ME's report found no physical evidence of strangulation or asphyxiation.

It still looks like the knee on his neck was the primary reason he died 6 or 7 minutes after it was put there.

Here's what we know regarding whether strangulation or asphyxiation happened:

Minnesota ME:
Preliminary report: no signs of strangulation or asphyxiation
Actual report:
 cause of death: Cadriopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.  
 manner of death: Homicide

Independent ME:
cause of death: mechanical asphyxiation.
manner of death: homicide

Video Footage
Cop on top of Floyd with his knee on his neck.  Floyd begging for his life, saying he was going to die.  Bystanders pleading with Cop to get off him.  Cop stays on his neck for 8 minutes.


2627  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump ACCOMPLISHMENTS on: August 29, 2020, 07:08:51 PM
Inspired the best meme thread on Bitcointalk. Some people say that thread is the best in the world in the history of all time.

Without Trump, the left still wouldn't know how to meme.
2628  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: August 29, 2020, 03:12:41 AM
To add -
"Police subdual and restraint" is not asphyxiation or neck compression. No physical evidence supported asphyxiation according to the Minneapolis ME's office.




Well, death by say, strangulation does leave evidence that would be found by the ME.

Oh I thought you knew.  There are multiple witnesses and video of the cop with his knee on the guys neck for 8 minutes while Flloyd is literally begging for his life.  Ok technically he only begged for ~6 minutes, he was quiet for the last 2. (he died)
2629  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: August 28, 2020, 08:47:35 PM
To add -
"Police subdual and restraint" is not asphyxiation or neck compression. No physical evidence supported asphyxiation according to the Minneapolis ME's office.



2630  Economy / Gambling / Re: ✅ SwC Poker ♣️ BITCOIN POKER ♣️ Hold'em✅ PLO✅ Mixed✅ MTT✅ ♣️ BBJ🌟 ♣️ BIG BTC🏆 on: August 28, 2020, 10:50:01 AM
Biased opinion here bc I look forward to badugi/uecy/acey rounds the most, but I feel like 11 game > 8 game for a nightly higher buyin tourney.  It's true more games = fewer people having experience with all of them, but if someone is willing to play triple draw but doesn't know how to play badugi games, they're probably willing to learn and jump in without much experience.

Do a different mix each night during the week, Stud/Stud8/O8, Draw games, HORSE, 8 game and 11 game.
2631  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: August 28, 2020, 08:09:03 AM
This isn't an refutation to Joe Biden only condemning violence once it affects his poll numbers while standing idle as riots happen across the country, including Portland which is going on nearly month 3. I actually do care, believe it or not. But I'm also not a fool in taking Biden's word for his condemnation of violence while offering no plan to counteract these rioters whilst also spreading this baseless accusation that Jacob Blake was killed with malice intent due to racist cops without even having all the facts.

I'll ask you again. Where was his condemnation months ago when all this violence was taking place after George Floyd's death? Why is Joe Biden immediately jumping the gun and insinuating the officers were racist and that Jacob Blake was shot because of malice? Why did Joe Biden say the cops should be held accountable, implying guilt?
I'll answer you again.
Biden in May, 4 days after GF died:

Quote
Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.
The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest. It should not drive people away from the just cause that protest is meant to advance.

It's obvious you don't believe that systemic racism against black Americans is an issue worth taking to the streets over, and that's another discussion entirely.  But you act as if anyone that supports the movement secretly knows that systemic racism doesn't exist and are motivated by ulterior evil motives.  The same goes for democrats in general.  Disagreeing with their opinions on the direction the country doesn't justify the outrage.  It's as if you've convinced yourself that they know that your opinion is right and there's is wrong and they continue to push their wrong opinion maliciously.  This is why when Biden or anyone shows any support for people protesting or defends the right to protest these days, you believe they're encouraging violence and looting. It's just not true.
2632  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Post Your Favorite Trump Memes Here on: August 28, 2020, 07:23:32 AM
2633  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🚀 Sportsbet.io - Proud partner of Southampton FC 🚀 on: August 28, 2020, 02:51:14 AM
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Code:
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Remaining participants just got their final prize increased by 3.2%, to 10.75 mBTC.

Pace is going as expected.

Were the prizes from the first few milestones posted anywhere?  Just curious.
2634  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: August 27, 2020, 05:34:11 AM
You left out the fact that he was waiving a knife around.

Not a fact. At least not as of right now.

The officers could be heard telling Blake to drop the knife. That alone is strong evidence he had a knife.

I'm honestly curious, why do you keep doing this?  I know that you're intelligent and more than capable of thinking and behaving logically.

When you said "You left out the fact that he was waiving a knife around.", did you actually believe it was a fact?

Do you really think your response to nutildah justifies your claim that it was a fact?

It seems like you're doing this kind of thing more and more frequently.  You have my word, if you ever admit you said something inacurate for whatever reason, I'll just drop it. Stuff like Never bring it up again.  Everyone messes up and things are complicated right now - adding more bullshit on top won't fix anything.  (And I'm not talking about trolling or being sarcastic)
2635  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: August 26, 2020, 11:52:31 PM
I'm sorry, but this isn't a Republican spin. This is the democratic platform in 2020.
Actually it's not.  There are democrats that support it, but that doesn't make it the Democratic platform.  The plan is to increase funding for training and psychologists and stuff like that without building a whole new program from scratch (which is what defund the police actually means).

If you're interested in literally reading the DNC platform: https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform

If you want a quick summary (pretty unbiased imo): https://www.wsj.com/articles/heres-where-the-democrats-stand-on-police-funding-marijuana-and-medicare-11596052231

In case you don't want to click a link, he's the first bullet point:

Quote
KEY TAKEAWAYS
1. The Democratic Party platform opposes defunding police, despite growing pressure from Black Lives Matter activists.
Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and the Democratic Party platform committee do not support defunding police and shifting the money to public service programs. Black Lives Matter organizer Patrisse Cullors, who is pushing for funding to be shifted from police departments to organizations that help marginalized communities, said Monday: “The Democratic Party of today will be remembered as the party of complicity.”


Joe Biden is against defunding the police because he can't defund the police...The federal government does not have the authority to defund city PD's.
They have the authority to use federal funding, legislation and federal law enforcement support as leverage to pressure local governments to cooperate.  That's a lot of leverage.

Of course, he was no where to be found when Minneapolis sustained 500 million in damage after George Floyd's death nor did he condemn Portland rioters that had been rioting for 3 months. No where in this video Biden put up does he detail a plan to counteract violence, he merely says "stop pls" so that he is shielded from the political liability of these riots.
He spoke about, wrote op-eds about it, addressed the issue in his policy pitches.  If you didn't listen or read any of that, but you did listen to Trump, I can understand why you'd think otherwise.  If you're interested in details, here are more than you could ask for: https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

If you actually care (I don't think you really do) you should put a little effort into listening what he has to say for himself instead of believing what his political opponents tell you he's saying.  It's not as entertaining as Trump on twitter or at a podium, but it's comprehensive and detailed.


Joe Biden, like fucking clock work, releases out this piss poor tweet condemning violence - https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1298697722304888833

I really hope you're in the minority that seems to get more pissed off by tweets like this than the actual shootings. The way this shit keeps happening is embarrassing. for the country and it's getting worse, not better.  I'd much rather have a president tweeting stuff like this instead of rage tweeting lies and creating more anger that ultimately just divides us even more and fuels the chaos.
Code:
Once again, a Black man — Jacob Blake — was shot by the police. In front of his children. It makes me sick.

Is this the country we want to be?

Needless violence won’t heal us. We need to end the violence — and peacefully come together to demand justice.
[/quote]
2636  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: August 26, 2020, 10:13:49 PM
Perhaps democrats are out of touch but I find it interesting that Don Lemon of CNN just now recognizes that polling number show people don't support these rioters and looters. As if we needed poll numbers to confirm this.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513742-cnns-lemon-warns-of-democratic-blind-spot-on-riots-it-shows-up-in-the-polling

I'll be fair and make a good faith assumption that most democrats obviously don't support these rioters and looters, but I haven't seen democratic politicians condemn them on strong terms either, or act on whatever condemnation they given with substantive action (like supporting law enforcement in arresting these rioters and providing them the resources to do so).



Makes sense, this is actually something that the GOP is trying to capitalize on right now with suburban voters which is the group of voters that they have been losing for sometime now. 2018 showed that the GOP needed better messaging or they were going to not have much of a chance against the Dems in the coming years.

This is the point that they're going to drive home, and this is something that reasonates with people. Talk about the horrible crime that occurs, get some videos and display them of people being knocked out by rioters, show burning buildings / cars, etc.

That sort of storyline is what they're aiming to go down this election cycle, they want suburban voters to think that if Biden is elected then this sort of madness will spread from the urban areas into the suburban areas -- a very scary thing to tell voters.

Poll numbers agree with the GOP here, and if they do proper messaging on this then they may walk away with a win in November.

It's more a matter of Republicans successfully spinning it than Democrats not actually caring.  Trumps just using the old 'say it over and over again till eventually people will believe you and start to repeat it' trick, and it's working.  Protests = Riots, Dems support protests therefor Dems support Riots therefor if Biden wins the whole country will look like Afghanistan in 2005 so Vote for Trump unless you want that to happen.

In reality Democrats have denounced many of the things Trump says they support, Biden has been explicitly against the whole defund the police movement from the beginning, and Trump is going out of his way to piss people off.

2637  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: August 26, 2020, 08:55:24 PM
The police have the right to use deadly force to prevent a person from committing a felony who is currently in the process of doing so.

According to the supreme court, if an officer uses deadly force when not reasonably necessary - they can be charged criminally.  Not all felonies require deadly force therefore, your statement is not true.

You also cannot attempt to go into a building or a car, where a weapon may be located while you are being arrested.

Just because a gun could be in a car or building that someone who just committed a felony is trying to enter does not give a police officer the right to use deadly force.  In 1985 the supreme court rules that it's a violation of the 4th amendment to use deadly force on a non violent person fleeing a crime scene that is unarmed.

Note: Entering a building or car that may have a gun in it is not the same as being armed.  

This is not in response to the Jacob Blake case, I'm just pointing out that your statements are objectively untrue according to the Supreme Court.

I'm pretty sure that the Supreme Court would side with the police officers in the case of Jacob Blake. Going into a car where officers are unaware of what you have in it opens up a potentially life threatening point for law enforcement. Whether I agree with this or disagree with this doesn't matter, this case would be an open and shut one of the SC.

If he was just running away from them and hadn't fired a weapon, pointed it at officers, or anything along those lines -- then shooting this particular person would not hold up. But in this case, I think the line is a bit more gray.

There's too much unknown right now, if shooting 7 rounds into the guys back was justified, something must have happened or been said leading up to what we saw on video.  If the cop told gave him an order to lay down on the ground and he said 'fuck you I'm taking my kids home, don't touch me asshole' or something like that emptying a clip into his back is pretty unreasonable.  If he threatened the cop or gave some indication other than going to his car against orders that he intended to hurt someone, that would be different.
2638  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump Accomplishments (unmoderated) on: August 26, 2020, 08:30:59 PM
...
It feels like a conundrum trying to figure out what's really going on when it comes to Israel or Muslims in the middle east.
...

It 'feels' pretty straightforward to me:  Zionists are engaged in ethnic cleansing of the 'promised lands' roughly in accordance with the 'Yinon plan'.  Using their various influence in the U.S. they are shaking us down for money and bullet-stoppers in order to do it.



Until your last post I would've thought you'd be more inclined to go with xenophobic anti-muslim rhetoric.

At the end of the day the people in power on both sides are spreading hate and doing really shitty things causing millions of innocent people to suffer.  Israel is the one getting what they want for the moment thanks to Trump,  so I have more empathy for the Palestinians getting treated like a punching bag.
2639  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump Accomplishments (unmoderated) on: August 26, 2020, 05:34:27 PM

Free'd up a million N95 masks to send to Israel...by teaching American soldiers how to make masks by folding their tee-shirts in a certain way.


Got a source on that?


Mostly it has been scrubbed as is the common case with today's internet when something is derogatory toward Israel and/or Zionism.  There are some remnants kicking around.  e.g.:

  https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/4/8/did-the-pentagon-give-israel-1-million-face-masks



You can't be serious -- you're giving me a link to a website called ' The New Arab' here's a quote regarding them:

In January 2015, Fadaat launched Al Araby TV Network as a counterweight to Al Jazeera, which is viewed by some to hold a pro-Muslim Brotherhood bias.[3]

I don't think it really makes a lot of sense in regards to credibility of your source to send a clearly biased source regarding Israel. Don't you think that this would come up from another source, or be brought to light during an oversight committee hearing if this was substantiated?

New Arab doesn't seem that bad: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-arab/ 

The name sounds weird because Americans tend to use 'Arab' as derogatory, but it's not much different than something like 'The New Englishman".  But yeah, it doesn't make sense to go to an Arab run media company to figure out what's going on between America and Israel.

It feels like a conundrum trying to figure out what's really going on when it comes to Israel or Muslims in the middle east.  The tensions have been so high for so long it's basically impossible to not come off as having a bias.  Actually now that I think of it, it's like that in America too.  Although I recently got into PBS News hour, it's definitely the least bias Media outlet that I've found.  They manage to make things sound boring which is kind of nice and it's all on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWw1SESkzSk  /ramble


2640  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: August 25, 2020, 11:11:52 PM
You left out the fact that he was waiving a knife around. This makes your argument moot as it gives police the probable cause to use deadly force once he becomes a fleeing felon.

You didn't read my entire post, or chose to ignore part of it, which makes your argument moot.  I was responding directly to your claim about when police have the right to use deadly force.

This is not in response to the Jacob Blake case, I'm just pointing out that your statements are objectively untrue according to the Supreme Court.

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