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2621  Economy / Reputation / Re: Thread locked I owe it to aew. JollyGood and his Feedback on: August 08, 2022, 12:45:45 PM
But, and that's the main point, I get the feeling you used starmyc as an excuse to create a tag for the second part, and I think the second part should have been neutral. This doesn't mean "that trading with this person is high-risk". Make it neutral. It could mean you don't trust his judgement, in which case you can exclude them (and try to convince others to do the same).
I agree in separating two parts. But since there are no point (at least this is how I looked it) to leave one neutral and another red so I decided to have all at once.

Few weeks ago may be months, I saw DireWolfM14 somewhere said he sent JollyGood a PM about some feedback to discuss or something, I can not remember it clearly.
These days I am more in reputation board, I was noticing JollyGood creates unnecessary arguments and insults others who do not support his arguments, likes to show off he has an ignore list, disrespects senior members who were producing babies even before his birth to this forum. He can not tolerate when someone say he is wrong in something. All looked to me an attitude problem.
So I wanted to see how his inappropriate attitude reflects on the feedback he left. He has many pages of feedback which was impossible for me to check one by one. So I was quickly scanning a few of them before I found the case for starmyc and NEMGUN. NEMGUN case looked to me the same as Royse777 but starmyc case looked to me very straight forward. So I sent a short PM to starmyc:
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Did you eventually get paid by JollyGood
I saw starmyc had everything good even a good feedback from another DT member for his work. But since JollyGood left the negative feedback, starmyc tried to resolve it but eventually gave up and slowed down in the forum.

In the mean time he replied my PM
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Hello,

No, not at all, despite the really low cost of the work done. He took the stuff, and even asked me for a refund for a previous work.

I recommend not working with him, or asking to be paid using a third party and really well defined & trackable requirements to not get cheated on.

Regards.

I used to be a software engineer. Freelanced for many years in the long past so I know how it goes. I do not have any doubt that JollyGood started demanding additional works but denied to pay and kept asking for more works. Sometimes an employer thinks that they bought the freelancer and use them as their own property. I suspect that exactly what happened and resulting he even asked to refund for the first job which was finished successfully before starting the 2nd job. And finally it finished with the negative feedback he has to hostage him.

But I can not just take one side in considering so I PMed JollyGood and asked if we can have a one to one conversation. But even after 6 days he ignored and did not think to reply. Then I created this topic. But still there are no input. At this point what should I take as guaranteed? He does not have any explanation at all. If he does not then his feedback to starmyc was inappropriate and it will be safe to say that he scammed the labor of starmyc and did not pay him for the work. I will believe starmyc over him because starmyc gave me more explanation after his last PM response.

It seems, starmyc really is established person in his life right now, happy with the job now, he does not care at all. But he expressed his regret
I'm sad because I spent quite some time to work on this stuff at the time and all I got is this bad reputation stuff.

This is one starmyc, how many more starmyc have the same feeling and JollyGood destroyed their forum life? He did not pay for the work but he did not stop there. He decided to leave a negative feedback and stopped starmyc.

I suggested starmyc to create a flag if he thinks that there should be no more starmyc if he does then I will have no problem to support it.
2622  Economy / Reputation / Re: Only for the BOLD and Braves. Let's have a discussion. on: August 08, 2022, 11:52:21 AM
Everything confuses me a little now if you complain about something that you yourself do.
Sorry if you are confused and thinking I did the same as he did. It must be my failure. But any way let me try again.

His feedback has no reference (he does not have one in fact) to response my negative feedback to him.
He says I was posting lie
He says my accusations are baseless
He thinks its a revenge
The repeating part is not clear to me.

More reasons,
I did not leave red or neutral to bitlucy scam.

From above which one warns a red tag or even a negative inspired neutral feedback?


My feedback has a clear reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408864.msg60704946#msg60704946
First of all he did not pay user starmyc but silent him with his negative feedback. He did not reply to my PM and even still have not replied to me for a clear explanation which leads me to believe that he does not have one but scammed.

More supporting cause
I have my reasons explained in the reference. In short
[....]
2. His arguments are inappropriate and his use of red tags based on the inappropriate arguments. He did it twice (from the limited investigation I conducted myself) once for nemgun and recently for Royse777

More and more
[......]
It was on telegram where CEO used the user @BitlucyCEO

Has notting to do with Royse777[......]
Well it does not matter which employee or part owner of Bitlucy contacted you to work for them. Based on the facts as they are known thus far, Bitlucy was owned by two people: Royse777 and the Bitlucy CEO - therefore some would say it does have something to do with Royse777.
[......] Are you saying for example, in a group of company if the chairman runaway with the fund resulting the entire company including their shareholders in loss, you are going to tag the chairman and all the shareholders? This is pathetic. You were the same pathetic against the user nemgun too.[......]


Let's be on topic.
I have pointed out 4 inspirations for leaving a negative feedback in the starting topic.
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(1) clearly out of retaliatory, (2) clearly to hostage others to silent against him, (3) clearly based on inappropriate arguments, (4) clearly using it to scam others
(1). Which ones apply to his feedback left for me, starmyc, nemgun and Royse777?
(2). Which ones apply to my feedback?

Update:
because this is your second topic where the discussion will be based on Jolly's giving feedback.
Please read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407834.msg60714131#msg60714131
You will understand why the first topic was created, when the PM was sent and why this topic was created.
2623  Economy / Reputation / Re: 6840 euros missing because of a mistake from Stake.com on: August 08, 2022, 09:51:38 AM
I went though OP's post again. A delay of 3~5 seconds would be sufficient to reject a winning bet in this case. It's not possible to observe a delay of this magnitude through operator's response to live chat. And it also depends on the game provider.
It could be a good debate. But without any supporting evidences it's just word and mouth between you, me and others. Without any supporting document it's impossible to prove.

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Maybe someone can test this theory in a conclusive manner.
Who have time to ring the bell?
2624  Economy / Reputation / Re: 6840 euros missing because of a mistake from Stake.com on: August 08, 2022, 09:24:22 AM
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I see a message saying "your bet has been rejected"

Seems like an act of dishonest game provider since they know the result beforehand(before you i.e.)
What am I missing? The bet was rejected before the result. So I do not see a problem. It worth discussing if the bet was rejected after the ball stopped in the number 32.

In live roulette there could be an argument that they delay the streaming and change the result but it will be unlikely and hardly possibly in the short period of time. When you chat with them on the table you will understand it's almost instant.
2625  Economy / Reputation / Re: DT1 and DT2 members who have negative feedback (or are banned) on: August 08, 2022, 09:15:50 AM
Update:[....]
Are you sure this is a correct list? I was supposed to be in the list 🤣
2626  Economy / Reputation / Re: Only for the BOLD and Braves. Let's have a discussion. on: August 08, 2022, 09:08:29 AM
In that sense, the trust system of the forum is no different from what happens to us in everyday life.
There are certain instructions and guidelines to follow for trust settings. If you do not follow the basic then it will become a worthless system and is not gonna serve the purpose. The trust system is not your personal asset, you are liable to act accordingly that was given to you by others. Or others are free to withdraw their support from you.
2627  Economy / Reputation / Only for the BOLD and Braves. Let's have a discussion. on: August 08, 2022, 08:53:02 AM
For years I've been unhappy with how DefaultTrust ended up as a centralized and largely-untouchable authority
How it worked: Theymos adds some selected members as DT1 and the DT1 members add users in their network who they trust, they become DT2.

For the record DT level can be extended up to DT4 (please correct me if I am wrong) but anything over DT2 is always ignored because it includes almost everyone which does not create any value for the network.

The current DT network: In January 2019 Theymos decided to change the old algorithm. Without giving all responsibility to one member (theymos) he decided to have a voting system for DT1 members and the voting system allow to select 100 members in the DT1 network to make the entire network decentralized.

So if someone on DT1 is doing something stupid, you can ask other DT1 members to distrust them.

TL;DR;

The current system created an open area for anyone to be in the DT network. We add, remove a user in our trust setting depending on their judgement of feedback leaving to others based on how less is their retaliatory mindset. Obviously none of us are perfect, none of us are above our personal likes and dislikes. But when a user's feedback leaving is (1) clearly out of retaliatory, (2) clearly to hostage others to silent against him, (3) clearly based on inappropriate arguments, (4) clearly using it to scam others would you still add him in your trust network or you will tilde (~) him?

Warning: Be BOLD and brave, who do not care for a negative feedback and a tilde (~) before leaving an opinion. Here are your examples:

100% retaliatory negative feedback:


In response to:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408864.msg60704946#msg60704946

100% retaliatory tilde (~)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407834.msg60709658#msg60709658
2628  Economy / Reputation / Re: Thread locked I owe it to aew. JollyGood and his Feedback on: August 08, 2022, 07:45:14 AM
Well I think you got your response in the form of a retaliatory red tag which is disappointing though not unsurprising. I guess it further proves your point about his abuse of the trust system though.


Be careful who you are talking against. I will not surprise to see you received one just because you expressed your opinion in the bold form I marked.

Can you even contact him in private, or he totally blocked you as well?
We could really benefit from less drama in this forum, but all I see is that he refused to explain anything about this case and just gave one more negative feedback.
PM sent, public topic created but instead of explanation he now thinks sending a red tag on my trust page was appropriate. He did not use any of the chances that he was given. Right now his response does not carry any value. I will rather ask others mainly everyone including who have him in their trust list.
2629  Economy / Reputation / Re: Thread locked I owe it to aew. JollyGood and his Feedback on: August 07, 2022, 07:27:26 AM
While I'm not here to argue with why you gave him negative feedback, it would have been a good idea to try and a find a mediator of sorts prior to the feedback...
This is not a case for me that I became a victim of something. Now I desperately need to reach out to other members to request support to get the tag removed, on the other hand with the long years in the forum I don't think anyone will feel comfortable too if I PM requesting to make a connection with JG. It sounds funny and dramatic. By the way it was a sarcasm (the gig thing) on the other post but thank you for the list.

I wanted to have a one to one discussion which was said in the PM I sent to JollyGood on the last 20th July. I was expecting his response. I waited 6 days until I created this topic on 27th. I still waited and until now there are no explanation from JollyGood of why he left these unfair red tags to user starmyc and nemgun? He failed to support his cause.

Starmyc has business in the forum, a Software Engineer. Since the red tag left by JollyGood, starmyc did not get any order (it seems JG revenged tag worked), he became inactive although he sent me PM on July 17th saying, JollyGood took the work and asked him to refund for the previous work (how unfair and sounds pathetic). Nemgun obviously was a victim of the CEO just like Royse777 was a victim of his CEO. You don't jail the shareholders because the main head runaway with the money.

I wanted to ask jollyGood in private without making it public that he should resolve the problem with starmyc or give me a reasonable story and reconsider their tags. The tag on Starmyc can be even looked at as JollyGood was using it to silent him. Look at all others feedback on starmyc, how it went wrong only with JollyGood?
2630  Economy / Reputation / Re: Thread locked I owe it to aew. JollyGood and his Feedback on: August 07, 2022, 04:33:50 AM
Lol, I've realized, BitcoinGirl.Club, that you have left JollyGood negative feedback.

Even if you are on his ignore list I think we are going to have drama.
I have my reasons explained in the reference. In short
1. He did not pay starmyc for his work even asked for refund for the first job. Left red tag as hostage.
2. His arguments are inappropriate and his use of red tags based on the inappropriate arguments. He did it twice (from the limited investigation I conducted myself) once for nemgun and recently for Royse777

An example of his inappropriate argument and how he suggest others to step in to his arguments
[......]
It was on telegram where CEO used the user @BitlucyCEO

Has notting to do with Royse777[......]
Well it does not matter which employee or part owner of Bitlucy contacted you to work for them. Based on the facts as they are known thus far, Bitlucy was owned by two people: Royse777 and the Bitlucy CEO - therefore some would say it does have something to do with Royse777.
[......] Are you saying for example, in a group of company if the chairman runaway with the fund resulting the entire company including their shareholders in loss, you are going to tag the chairman and all the shareholders? This is pathetic. You were the same pathetic against the user nemgun too.[......]
2631  Economy / Reputation / Re: DireWolfM14 using their authority is trying to falsely accuse me of scamming on: August 07, 2022, 03:51:53 AM
How can this be explained?
It explained
below is the current price of 1 USTC


And here is 100 USTC worth in USDT


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a scammer who robbed a lot of people
Can you give us some example? Only words are not gonna work.

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accusing me of a non-existent scam?
Taking 100 USDT for 100 USTC is not a scam but a negotiations LOL

Did you find your silent angel investors yet to fund the secret coin? Stop it and leave the place.
2632  Economy / Reputation / Re: 6840 euros missing because of a mistake from Stake.com on: August 07, 2022, 03:40:26 AM
3-I see a message saying "your bet has been rejected"
Obviously the bet was rejected before the result. Stake does not have any clue that it was supposed to be on the 32. Furthermore in live roulettes it's the game provider who decides win or lose, in other words everything related to the table you are in decided by the provider of the roulettes table. Stake or any other casino are just using their API and storing the data of their clients (in this case it's you) to pay your winnings or take money from your loss.
2633  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: 16xypjnxlrew trying to scam in exchange section on: August 07, 2022, 03:23:07 AM
unreasonably call me a scammer.
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In the future, there may be 1 USTC = 1 USDT
What the F***! 🤣

In the future 1BTC = 1M
I give you 1BTC and you give me 1M. If this is a deal then you are not a scammer. How about this?
I deny your request and supporting the flag. Also leaving you a tag so that people who are not aware can see your scam approach.
2634  Economy / Reputation / Re: Bitlucy withdrawal problem, does this acceptable? on: August 07, 2022, 03:05:03 AM
Weird, you lost $600 and didn't leave a tag (it doesn't matter if there are already red tags or not).

It was on telegram where CEO used the user @BitlucyCEO

Has notting to do with Royse777

I was contacted because I have a post here om bitcointalk where I seek crypto jobs. Was stupid pay some services for the CEO. He should then give me funds back.
Well it does not matter which employee or part owner of Bitlucy contacted you to work for them. Based on the facts as they are known thus far, Bitlucy was owned by two people: Royse777 and the Bitlucy CEO - therefore some would say it does have something to do with Royse777.
I am interested to know who are these some of them. A user who paid for feedback, a user decodx who is advocating for you and who else?

This is a perfect example of how you justify a case and hostage users with your red tag. You are pissed because Royse777 did not share you private information and ignored your unlawful demand. Now when JanEmil, a victim himself is admitting that Royse777 has nothing to do with it, you are advising him to involve Royse777. Are you saying for example, in a group of company if the chairman runaway with the fund resulting the entire company including their shareholders in loss, you are going to tag the chairman and all the shareholders? This is pathetic. You were the same pathetic against the user nemgun too. I would like others to understand your arguments are totally inappropriate which obviously reflects on the tag I left for you.

2635  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: August 07, 2022, 02:33:36 AM
I think have Liverpool to win on all my multibets, about 3 of them. I just never saw them not winning against more so a new promoted team, but then it is what it is..
Liverpool made it habit to stay confused in early rounds make the league difficult for them and then comeback strong to lose the league from very small margin. Let's hope they recover early in this season. I was expecting a huge win for them, at least a 1 - 3.

I personally lost 4 multibets  Cry
It's one of those days, you win all and expect the sure one is just about time to win, then they surprise you. Bookies need to make money 🤣
2636  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: LTC CASINO Resolved. on: August 07, 2022, 02:11:59 AM
I removed the negative feedback and removed my support for the flag. Op is already receiving his money so the case is resolved, there is no need to change it to neutral
I think this was the right thing to do, others may disagree.

I stand by what I said earlier. I will remove support for the flag when the casino has paid out everything they owe. I still consider this casino a high-risk gambling platform since no shred of evidence has ever been posted to back up their claims. But luckily they have decided to do the right thing in this case at least.   
I must missed your earlier post. I am more into removing the tags since they started paying. They already know the tags are pressure for them and if they refuse to pay at any stage then tags will be given again. Removing the tags give them access to continue their business. People who check feedback (I believe most do not care to check reference for update) they will consider the casino is still a scam and did not came to a negotiation, resulting not joining them. Eventually they lose business. For a business it's very important that they are in constant cash flow so that they can pay their players even if they have huge bankroll.
2637  Economy / Reputation / Re: JollyGood Crossed his line. on: August 07, 2022, 01:42:17 AM
Waiting to see what BitcoinGirl.Club has to say as well.
I am not bothered, it is just another attention seeker that I have on my ignore list.
You are a trust spammer. Your game is to keep others hostage of your red tag and demand attention. Your history is once upon a time you were a scam buster which was able to build a good reputation for you. Once achieved you found 1xBit is the easiest target for you to continue. Because of your previous active scam busting history, you took it as guaranteed that you earned some sort of authority from some users. They easily added you in their trust list.

These users are still in the hope that you are still a good spam buster. But you changed and became a ghost hunter and trust abuser. You are constantly using unjustifiable theories to justify feedback that you left for others. Your justifications, (1) A member was asked to build a system, the team had ICO, ICO failed or scammed. Your theory is the guy who was asked to build the system is the scammer. (2) You gave a 2nd job because 1st one was successful, in the 2nd job your thing did not go to your way so now you refuse to pay for the time for the 2nd job but pathetically you are asking to refund you for the 1st job. As usual your red tag is the hostage. (3) a member did not share some data to you because they did not feel safe with you. Except one or two members, everyone else accepted the situation. Even from the discussion in public (from several other topics by other victims) it was clear that the member was not the same scammer who you though was the same person. It's even clear that he was as much victim as others, in fact he was the most hurted from the entire project. His reputation has been used, his cash has been used, his privacy has been breached. But still you are harassing him with double red tag (in response for How many red tags is the scammer Royse777 going to get?) and continuing your disrespectful conversation towards him with a troll like PaperWallet.

You are using your reputation that you earned from previous work. You now think yourself a powerful authority to ignore conversation with people who challenge your feedback leaving practice. Currently, if anyone here is making the situations uncomfortable for the DT than it's no other than you.

You are harmful because you behavior changes for little financial motivation. This leads me to believe that your previous work were to build a reputation for you so that you can earn a living from the forum. The reason of changing your usual character towards duelbits was simple. You did not want to lose your paycheck in case duelbits really was caught on the case. Scam busting was just an easiest route for you, thankfully for you it worked, if it did not then you would find another route. You are using your current reputation to process nonsense against the people you do not like to answer and protecting your employers.

I was following jollyGood and found that it's annoying how he conduct any scam accusations against individuals or company. He always comes from a suspicious perspective enjoys to create unnecessary imaginary arguments against the individual possibly he does not like or against a company which he possibly use to increase his reputation. The way the OP of that topic created the scam accusation with evidences (obviously until his last post it was not clear who was at the wrong side) it was hard to take a side even though duelbits was able to gain huge reputation in the forum over the years. But JollyGood seemed took the job of advocating for Duelbits not only in that thread but also in other thread too which obviously does not go alone with the JollyGood image.

PS:
Feedback reference
2638  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: wintomato IS SCAMER on: August 07, 2022, 12:29:55 AM
I am now curious how wintomato knows that the OP was cheating their Deposit bonus, faucet and fortune wheel farming via multiple accounts when the OP never mentioned anything about his account on his plagiarised post. also, what the hell is going on in OP's mind copy-pasting an article as a scam accusation against a casino?
I assume, there was a user who had trouble with Wintomato and they found out the user was exploiting their system. The same user could be the OP. So, wintomato thought to have their statement to reply him.
2639  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: wintomato IS SCAMER on: August 05, 2022, 04:08:35 AM
Now this one is a first for me.
A case of plagiarism in the scam accusation section, but by the accuser not the accused:

The first paragraph is from here:
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/gambling-scams-how-they-work-how-detect-them-how-protect-yourself
including the : " A glossary."

Second one starting from:
Betting fraudsters offer inside information that tends to focus on horse racing, but could involve betting on any sport.

The rest of the text is copied from here:
http://www.fraudalert.co.uk/betting-fraud.html
I wish you would post it before me so I would not need to spend 5 minutes reading the copy/paste information from OP. Such a waste of time and I blame you 🤣

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So, nothing to do directly with wintomato
I was even searching for wintomato on the topic just to be sure that I did not miss to read a line related to wintomato. The word exists in the 2nd line and that's it.

Is this a new way to whore merit?
2640  Economy / Reputation / Re: [Beware!] LDU QUITO on: August 05, 2022, 03:50:46 AM
Not for nothing, but that's pretty fucked up that telegram allows that. 
It's pretty standard. I don't see it wrong. Everything has good and bad effect depending on how we are using it. I knife could be used to kill someone and the same knife we use in the kitchen. Telegram users can set a username if they want. In their privacy setting they can chose whether they want their number visible to others or not. Someone who is good man but concern about his privacy, for him it's a good choice. Exploiters will exploit everything.
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