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2621  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS/PPLNS with TxFees, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Tested on: March 11, 2013, 12:05:20 PM
Ouch eleuthria.

Hopefully people will do the right thing and give you it back. If not personally I would name and shame them. Smiley



I have the user IDs of the people who were actually overpaid (were able to make a successful withdrawal).  Working on contacting them now.
2622  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS/PPLNS with TxFees, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Tested on: March 11, 2013, 12:04:45 PM
So this happened only on getwork connections? Or it happened on stratum too? I didn't notice any increase in gain and I was on stratum.

It was only the merged mining server.  Unfortunately, because shares were being paid 25 BTC each (even if it was only for about 1 minute, and even though reject rates were 99.9%), these erroneous payouts completely emptied the hot wallet, which was recently increased in size due to how much the pool had grown (unfortunately, with PPS, hot wallets can't be nearly as small as other methods).
2623  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS/PPLNS with TxFees, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Tested on: March 11, 2013, 11:53:16 AM
PAYOUT ERRORS - A SUMMARY

Earlier this evening, the merged mining server was being moved to bitcoin 0.8.  One major problem in this was that by default, bitcoind 0.8 will redownload the blockchain in the new database format.  This started happening while the server was still online.  As a result, the pool server was passing out work for blocks from the early days of Bitcoin, where difficulty was in the single digits.

This only lasted about 2 minutes, but in that time, a huge number of users were credited for shares at low difficulties that they should not have been credited for.  These users then withdrew the funds, or an automatic payout happened.  The hot wallet was completely emptied, and the blame is entirely on me for not thinking this could have happened in the few seconds that bitcoind was redownloading the blockchain before I cancelled it and copied the complete chain from another server.



MY ACCOUNT BALANCE IS NOW NEGATIVE?

If your account balance is negative because you withdrew coins, PLEASE contact me to return them.  I can't force you to, Bitcoin has no chargebacks, but this is a significant blow to the pool in a period where luck has been terrible enough for the last week.
2624  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS/PPLNS with TxFees, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Tested on: March 11, 2013, 11:38:57 AM
Payouts are currently frozen.  Something very big has broken and I need to find out what.  Some users were able to withdraw significantly more than they should have.
2625  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [ATTN POOL OPS] List of pools' transaction policies. on: March 11, 2013, 09:57:42 AM
For clarity, I'd define the "default/standard" for BTC Guild fee policy as:  Satoshi Client (0.Cool Default.  IE:  We do not impose a non-standard fee requirement, just whatever the most current client defaults to.
2626  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS/PPLNS with TxFees, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Tested on: March 11, 2013, 08:02:34 AM
Merged Mining server is temporarily offline, sorry for the unannounced downtime.  It should be back up within 15 minutes hopefully.
2627  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: March 10, 2013, 10:12:20 PM
Regarding the pools i still think they are a bigger risk. Of course the hashingpower is temporarily given. But thats enough to combine the hashingpower and make an attack. The miners wont notice that you use the hashingpower to make a for.
You wouldnt be able to attack constantly anyway so it doesnt matter when the poolminers are taking away their power after the attack. Because an attack only can work once. After that its noticed and the accounts are closed where the btc should be sold or similar. The same goes for a single person with asics. Bitcoin foundation would simply change the algo and the asics are useless. So i still think that pools are the easier way to attack. Simply create or buy silently some pools, attract miners with a good offer and you could attack if you wish. The pool miners only would notice when it already happened.
This is true of centralized pools (like the ones ASICMiner is currently using.. why??), but decentralized pools allow the miner to do their own realtime auditing.

Until you let miners exclusively add/remove what transactions they mine in your pool, you're not decentralized.  Last I checked, that isn't available on your pool.
2628  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [10000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS/PPLNS with TxFees, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Tested on: March 10, 2013, 09:17:03 AM
In about 10 hours the PPLNS shifts will be increased from 3 million shares to 6 million to reduce per-shift variance, and also reduce the number of shifts being completed each day, in response to the huge surges in growth the pool has seen in recent weeks.  The 3 million shares worked out to roughly 1 hour per shift back at 4 TH/s.  We're now bumping up against 12 TH/s, and Avalons are definitely showing up all over which will take us even higher soon.

I will be actively monitoring the pool during the change so I can intervene if something goes wrong on the calculations.  I've been reviewing all of the reward display/calculation functions to make sure nothing is hard coded, and that the rewards should split properly when some shifts are larger than others.
2629  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [ATTN POOL OPS] List of pools' transaction policies. on: March 10, 2013, 08:33:36 AM
There were bottlenecks  in previous versions of bitcoind and increasing block size often caused higher ratio of orphaned blocks. I'd like to thanks bitcoin developers for recent speedups in official software. I played a bit with pool settings and current values on my pool are:

Yes, 0.8 is amazing at how fast it can process blocks, and additionally how fast it responds with a template for a new block after an LP.  One thing I've noticed specifically is with more pools moving beyond 250,000 bytes, the time it takes pools to push out new work at a block change has increased dramatically, because bitcoind isn't having to re-prioritize/select as many transactions that weren't included in the prior block.
2630  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Weekly pool and network statistics on: March 10, 2013, 08:22:10 AM
Thanks again ooc Cheesy
Next week's statistics will be interesting after ~1.5 more terahash of asics joined the pool this morning
Interesting times Cheesy

It certainly was an interesting week Smiley

You haven't seen anything yet.  This month is going to be one hell of a ride.  Avalons are starting to show up in greater numbers.  At the very least it will be fun to see the Top 10 pools shuffle around in rank as the hash power finds new homes.
2631  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [ATTN POOL OPS] List of pools' transaction policies. on: March 10, 2013, 08:12:11 AM
The 5 main categories I see as being useful:
  1) Max block size
  2) Min block size (Any block not this big will include ANY transaction, based on priority, regardless of fee)
  3) Priority block size (Space reserved specifically for high priority+no/low fee transactions)
  4) Minimum fee
  5) TX Discrimination (like how a few pools refuse to include transactions sent to 1dice...)


BTC Guild Settings:
  1) 750,000
  2) 150,000
  3) 100,000
  4) Standard satoshi client fee processing and transaction prioritization
  5) No transactions blocked, ignored, or throttled
2632  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiDICE.com - The World's Most Popular Bitcoin Game on: March 10, 2013, 04:30:44 AM
Max bet isn't up to 500 on those stakes Tongue
You need to feed the pot so it is Smiley

I try, but I seem to keep winning Tongue
2633  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiDICE.com - The World's Most Popular Bitcoin Game on: March 10, 2013, 04:15:47 AM
I would just like to thank SatoshiDice for making me realize I have a severe gambling problem, even though I had only visited casinos (local indian casinos, not Vegas) a few times in my life.  I would also like to thank them for the downpayment on a new house for my parents Smiley

For how much?  Shocked

I've had good luck on Dice over the last few weeks.  After tonight I think I'm going to call it quits while I'm in the green at ~700 BTC.  Would hate to lose it all back.
Put 500 BTC in 50%! Grin

YOLO

Max bet isn't up to 500 on those stakes Tongue
2634  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Pool is up coins on me on: March 10, 2013, 03:20:25 AM


Solo mining is technically always the highest payout on average.  The problem is a matter of scale.  At 1 GH/s on the Bitcoin network at this difficulty, it would take you about 8 months to find a block.  You get the payment all at once, nothing before you find it.  It could take you 4 years.  It could take you 4 minutes.  But "on average" it would be around 8 months.

The question is are you willing to make a gamble with that kind of payoff time, and are you really sure the market & network speed will be roughly stable during those 8 months?  Because if you don't find a block early when network difficulty is rising, that 8 month average will keep increasing.  If the market crashes before you find your block, you'll end up with less USD/EUR/etc. than you would have if you had been mining at a pool and selling the whole time.

I'm mining LTC and according to my pool I find a block every 24-36 hours. 

I'm providing the response as it relates to Bitcoin (since this is the Bitcoin forum, not Alternate Currency forum).  The same concepts apply for LTC, just on a much smaller scale since the network (and thus difficulty) is extremely small in comparison.
2635  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Pool is up coins on me on: March 10, 2013, 03:10:26 AM

Think of it as lotto numbers.  The pool picks a first batch of numbers, and you fill in the second while mining for them.  Solo mining, you pick all the numbers.  So if you had been solo mining, it doesn't mean you would have found the blocks.  You may have found even more, you may not have found one yet.

Thank you for explaining that for me. 

So how does one decide if the awards from a pool are better than solo mining?

Solo mining is technically always the highest payout on average.  The problem is a matter of scale.  At 1 GH/s on the Bitcoin network at this difficulty, it would take you about 8 months to find a block.  You get the payment all at once, nothing before you find it.  It could take you 4 years.  It could take you 4 minutes.  But "on average" it would be around 8 months.

The question is are you willing to make a gamble with that kind of payoff time, and are you really sure the market & network speed will be roughly stable during those 8 months?  Because if you don't find a block early when network difficulty is rising, that 8 month average will keep increasing.  If the market crashes before you find your block, you'll end up with less USD/EUR/etc. than you would have if you had been mining at a pool and selling the whole time.
2636  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Pool is up coins on me on: March 10, 2013, 02:54:59 AM
Finding a block at a pool is not the same as finding them solo. Pools reduce variance, but the payout over time should be similar, except for fees.




I do not understand how there is a difference between finding a block in a pool vs. finding one solo.  Could you/someone explain?  When I find a block in a pool I assume that I would have found the block solo mining the same, how would it be different?

Reducing variance is great, its the reason I joined a pool.  The idea was that I would be keeping a steady balance between the blocks I found for the pool and coins awarded to me.  Now the pool is getting a good jump on me and I am now down coins against them along with fees.  How far does the difference in pay between expected solo mining profits vs. pool mining profits need to be before 'reducing the variance' become not worth it? 



Think of it as lotto numbers.  The pool picks a first batch of numbers, and you fill in the second while mining for them.  Solo mining, you pick all the numbers.  So if you had been solo mining, it doesn't mean you would have found the blocks.  You may have found even more, you may not have found one yet.
2637  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: What are the Pro's/Con's of starting a pool? on: March 10, 2013, 01:57:56 AM
Why do people start mining pools? Are there even benefits from owning/running a pool other than taking out fees from mining and transactions?

These questions have been on my mind recently so I just wanted to get them out.

If mining pools were not around, you would probably see significantly fewer miners.  I don't know many people who would like to burn that much in electricity to play in a lottery.  Without pools (assuming the same network speed) at 1 GH/s, you would on average get paid 25 BTC every ~8 months.  If you have bad luck, that could be 4+ years.  Good luck, maybe in a few minutes.

Pools allow you to avoid that kind of variance (which is terrifying these days given how much hash power is required).   And most pools offer things like email alerts when miners stop working, which means you don't need your own internal monitoring system.  They also mean you don't have to run a full bitcoind node on your LAN in order to generate coins.
2638  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [10000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS/PPLNS with TxFees, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Tested on: March 10, 2013, 01:54:46 AM
I've started seeing a lot of discards on stratum tonight. Dropping to get work is fine.

If you're referring to 'Discarded Work' stat on cgminer, that is a completely useless statistic over the Stratum interface, and has no influence on performance.
2639  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [10000 GH] BTC Guild - PPS/PPLNS with TxFees, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Tested on: March 09, 2013, 06:51:42 PM
As i`m looking for a new pool that pays the txfees i wonder if i could be happy on btc guild.

I searched the thread for infos that i need for my mining park, but those are still left:

- I connect my miners from 3 different gateways (so 3 external ips) is this a problem with your botnet detection?
- On my current pool i can connect up to 20 workers on one worker account - can i do it this way here, too?

Would love to hear from someone that can answer my questions.

Bye
dsky

PS. And no- i don`t have a botnet or crap like that! Its all legit mining.

A few IPs and multiple machines on a single worker are fine.  BTC Guild's automatic detection of botnets uses very permissive settings.  I do manual inspection on occasion, but the activity you described does not sound like it would be a problem.
2640  Economy / Gambling / Re: SatoshiDICE.com - The World's Most Popular Bitcoin Game on: March 09, 2013, 10:37:43 AM
I would just like to thank SatoshiDice for making me realize I have a severe gambling problem, even though I had only visited casinos (local indian casinos, not Vegas) a few times in my life.  I would also like to thank them for the downpayment on a new house for my parents Smiley

For how much?  Shocked

I've had good luck on Dice over the last few weeks.  After tonight I think I'm going to call it quits while I'm in the green at ~700 BTC.  Would hate to lose it all back.
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