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1741  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 1CfsAiYaVfk12dnZpZALcRSP9jjWDk26FX - Stop making transactions! on: September 20, 2013, 10:51:10 PM
Until I saw that the block was mined by a pool that pays out transaction fees I thought this would be somebody trying to hide transactions from network analysis.

You can mine a block containing transactions you haven't broadcast. So you can keep your own transaction fees, effectively transferring arbitrary sums to addresses where no actual transactions exist between sender and recipient.

There are plenty of miners with sufficient hashing power to solo mine and get a block every now and then.

blockchain.info seems to ignore transaction fees in its taint analysis. Are there any network analysis tools that treat mining fees as transactions?

Unfortunately trying to do that would basically add taint to the vast majority of the network.  A block generation transaction is a single output of the subsidy+tx fees with no input.  So you couldn't trace it back through inputs, you'd have to basically consider every single transaction from the block an input if it had a fee, which would be extremely messy.  Additionally, you couldn't tell the difference between the subsidy and the txfee, so anything that was ever sent through that block's coin generation is now tainted.
1742  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [65000 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: September 20, 2013, 07:21:58 PM
gotta love the hash rate slowly getting insane....

I mean 68 this morning... 71 an hour ago now 72907.575 Ghash/s
wow... funny 2 months ago that would have made BTC Guild look itty bitty

Naw, that would've been about equal to BTC Guild 2 months ago Smiley.
1743  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [390'000 GH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: September 20, 2013, 04:17:44 AM
Soo did you send me 3 more silver ones?  Cheesy If you dont know then i guess i have to wait till monday.

Side note. My computer is having issues with 50 erupters i got 2 anker hubs and 7 dlink-dub-h7 hubs. that are all pluged into an anker hub.  i cant figure out if its a hub bad or if its too many erupters. it ran fine with 38 but when i pluged in the other 3 dlink hubs it started not working. any ideas?

I find USB to be very touchy when you start getting to the 50+ device range, especially when chaining hubs.  While it can be done, it gets very touch & go.  I personally preferred to use 4-port unpowered USB 2 hubs connected to the PC, then chained my hubs with erupters off of those.

As for colors:  Most of the recent shipments have been silver.  Blue has been sent upon request when possible.  There's ~200 left to ship as Silver, at which point it will resume being red.  I haven't opened them up to see if these are the older dark red, the lighter red, or the red with the circular rings.
1744  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [370'000 GH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: September 20, 2013, 03:38:48 AM
Pool has been moving between 390 and 400 TH/s most of the day back and forth.  Will update the thread topic once the 24-hour average speed hits 400 Smiley.
1745  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Three big cheers to Nico and Co. (bitfurystrikesback). Send your tips! on: September 19, 2013, 08:43:22 PM
ASICMINER delivered on time, on spec, and without taking preorder money (they did take investors for the solo mining operation/development, but the products that came out of that did not take orders until they were in production & shipping).

Although #3 probably doesn't count, since ASICMINER is more of a manufacturer and then the customer service is left up to the retailers.


I'm pretty impressed with BitFury though, it's nice to see a company not radically alter their specs after taking in a bunch of money.
1746  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Preferred pool for very small new miner on: September 19, 2013, 06:04:27 PM
I've stuck to slush pool as my primary pool for a long time now.  While other pools offer better interfaces (like 50BTC and BTCGuild),  I have consistently managed better day-to-day average payouts on slush vs 50BTC/BTCGuild.  My backup pool is 50BTC, and BTCGuild is my 3rd.  I am still testing other pools as I find time, but even when slush has 80% luck, i still manage payouts equal to what I get on BTCGuild.  

The problems people have with slush are related to wanting to mine alt-coins, cause they need to wait until the end of the round to leave, or risk losing all earnings do to the scoring system.  In such situations, 50BTC would be my current choice if you want to pop out and mine alt-coins.

Really curious how you tested this.  The math says BTC Guild will beat slush over any reasonable length of time.  1% fee difference does not make up for paying out orphans and paying out namecoins, neither of which are done by slush's pool.

One deceptive part on BTC Guild's earnings is you have to factor in that you continue to get paid for roughly 8 hours after you stop mining.  As a result, the 24 hour earnings statistic is not accurate until about 32 hours of mining has been done.
1747  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [370'000 GH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: September 19, 2013, 07:46:19 AM
The red/green numbers are an average per 10 shifts, starting with the most recent.  The "important" number is the one above all those which gives you the average luck since the difficulty changed.  Neither mean much though since luck can only show you what happened already, it has no effect on future payments, and the luck across the whole difficulty swings up/down quickly during the first few days.

FYI: You can't just average all the %s together since the last red/green number is normally only a few shifts worth of data. Just take the black number directly above.
1748  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [370'000 GH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: September 19, 2013, 06:36:31 AM
You mean the luck that is still positive so far this difficulty?  Our luck has been +\- 2% for the past 4 or 5 difficulty periods. You can't really get much closer to neutral outside of PPS.
1749  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3700 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: September 19, 2013, 01:39:53 AM
It's been mentioned quite a few times:  Deepbit doesn't include appropriate transaction fees for payouts, meaning it's very rare for any Bitcoin node other than Deepbit to actually include the transaction in a block (most won't even relay it so they never get seen by most the network).

Basically the only way to get paid is to continue mining on Deepbit so they eventually find another block.
1750  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [350'000 GH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: September 18, 2013, 11:11:02 PM
I jinxed my self.. I ordered 12 of them and they are all silver.  Cry Well better than  black but still I was hoping for a blue.

I tried ordering 3 anker hubs last night and amazon said they were all sold out..

Sorry Sad  I tried to make sure any order over 10 was mixed Blue & Silver, but depending on where I was at in the giant pile, sometimes the colors repeat between one box and the next.
1751  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why do most people automatically think Bitcoin is a scam/ponzi scheme? on: September 18, 2013, 09:59:43 PM
I find very few people think of Bitcoin as a scam/ponzi when I talk to them about it.  But there is a HUGE difference between the way I talk to people about it and the way other people normally get introduced to it.  I do not use high tech terms.  I do not make broad generalizations.  And I do NOT talk about how they are created (mining) until after they show understanding of the underlying concept itself.

I have sat next to relatives and previous employers who are what I would call "computer illiterate", which is definitely the category that would be very hostile towards a high tech virtual currency.  Everytime I speak with them, I'm paying very close attention to their questions and their faces.  As soon as I see them getting lost, I double back and phrase it using analogies that people are more comfortable with.  It's not a market pitch, it's not a lecture, it's something inbetween.

The real key is to keep things abstract & concept oriented, so they have an idea of what it is and why it can be useful, before bringing in the concept of exchanges, market rates, and especially mining.  Mining is by far the most "scammy feeling" part of Bitcoin for the uninformed person, since it is literally printing money by running a program, and introducing Bitcoin and discussing mining before the groundwork is placed is going to have anybody feeling very uncomfortable about Bitcoin at the start of the introduction.
1752  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [350'000 GH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: September 18, 2013, 09:51:43 PM
How much for a BLUE one ?

I still have one spot free on my 10th Anker hub.  

It's getting pretty bad when the Anker people recognize me by name - "Dear xxxxxxx, we see you just bought ANOTHER Anker hub.  As always, thank you for the purchase, and please let us know if you have any problems with it...."

I have a few blues left that are being held for special requests (or until new inventory runs out).  I can never guarantee a color, but if you place an order and put a message in the address (Address Line 2 normally works best), I will try to provide that color.
1753  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [350'000 GH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: September 18, 2013, 08:53:52 PM
Update on ASICMINER Products:

The extra shipping+handling charge on coupon orders has now been removed, and the base price for non-coupon units is now 0.19 BTC.  A batch of coupons have also been distributed, 100 coupons for anybody who has ordered from BTC Guild before.
1754  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [350'000 GH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: September 18, 2013, 07:52:48 PM
Any word on the bitfury sticks? It looks like they are starting to arrive?


I'm speaking with a few people producing them.  Right now the biggest issue is pricing.  I'm not willing to front $60,000+ in inventory on products that are only marginally better $/GH than ASICMINER, especially when the cost per unit is 6 times higher (much smaller number of users willing to buy products at that price).
1755  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [350'000 GH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers on: September 18, 2013, 05:59:54 PM
Last units from the Blue &Silver batch are getting shipped.  DHL dropped off one package yesterday of the next 1000 units, but half of the delivery is missing currently (hopefully shows up today).  Have not yet opened it to see what colors will be shipping next.
1756  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 106.31862532 reward from a block ?? on: September 18, 2013, 05:43:03 PM
It's actually 1CfsAiYaVfk12dnZpZALcRSP9jjWDk26FX  that is the really big problem.  This address has been paying multiple massive tx fees all day.

Unfortunately, unlike in the past, BTC Guild really can't do much anymore.  Over 90% of the pool is on the PPLNS system, meaning transaction fees are no longer sitting in the pool funds like they used to be back when the pool was all/mostly PPS.  We've refunded hundreds of BTC in mistaken tx fees in the past, but it's not an option when the fees are being distributed to the miners.

Your efforts are appreciated.

Thanks for the update.


However someone should tell this guy hes giving away btc. Smiley or Sad.

Hope they know what they are doing.


I made a post in the main forum about it after the 106 BTC block hit, but there's not a whole lot that can be done to contact them.  At this point it looks deliberate (you don't make the same mistake that many times without noticing the money going missing).
1757  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 106.31862532 reward from a block ?? on: September 18, 2013, 03:10:12 AM
It's actually 1CfsAiYaVfk12dnZpZALcRSP9jjWDk26FX  that is the really big problem.  This address has been paying multiple massive tx fees all day.

Unfortunately, unlike in the past, BTC Guild really can't do much anymore.  Over 90% of the pool is on the PPLNS system, meaning transaction fees are no longer sitting in the pool funds like they used to be back when the pool was all/mostly PPS.  We've refunded hundreds of BTC in mistaken tx fees in the past, but it's not an option when the fees are being distributed to the miners.
1758  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [40 TH/s] EMC: No Fee DGM. Anonymous PPS. Dwolla Payout. on: September 18, 2013, 12:37:08 AM
8 hours 20 minutes in the current round.  WTF...

373M shares.  This is really bad luck.

What's up with block 258562?  BTC81 in transaction fees?

373M is not that bad of luck (only a little over 3x diff).  Just wait til a pool gets their first 1 billion+ share round (not even 10x difficulty to hit 1b).
1759  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 1CfsAiYaVfk12dnZpZALcRSP9jjWDk26FX - Stop making transactions! on: September 18, 2013, 12:34:26 AM
BTC guild solved that block. so they get 81BTC in fee's and the 25BTC reward.. thats a nice 106BTC to share out

yeah, they didn't share that shit. guaranfuckinteeya


Transaction fees are paid out to miners on BTC Guild.
1760  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 1CfsAiYaVfk12dnZpZALcRSP9jjWDk26FX - Stop making transactions! on: September 17, 2013, 10:31:58 PM
Whoever owns 1CfsAiYaVfk12dnZpZALcRSP9jjWDk26FX - Your software is terribly broken and paying out massive transaction fees.  Over 100 BTC in the last 24 hours as best I can estimate, and a lot of it is going to pools that pay transaction fees to miners meaning there isn't an option to just ask for the money to be sent back.

Wow. Hopefully this person sees this post. How on earth did you stumble on this?

I stumbled on it when someone in #btcguild told me the pool just hit a 106 BTC block.  The pool is nearly all PPLNS which is immediately credited for blocks including txfees so it's not something I can just refund like the pool has done in the past (used to be 50% or less of the pool on PPLNS, now it's closer to 5%).
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