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You are aware that he actually has given refunds?
Anyone who wants a refund needs to contact BA or minersource through submitting a ticket.
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thats not really amazing news at all.... 1600PH?!?!
You realize, he just put the rest of all us miners out of fucking business. Yall should be outraged...not jumping up n down with joy!
No offense, but it's been obvious for quite some time that mining was going to become an industrial-scale domain. Don't forget that many of these chips will be sold to miners. I'm hoping they release a next gen cube and usb miners. |
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thats not really amazing news at all.... 1600PH?!?!
You realize, he just put the rest of all us miners out of fucking business. Yall should be outraged...not jumping up n down with joy!
thats why i sold all my mining gear and bought AMshares 1600ph would equate to 4th/share. Not bad |
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b ) Submitted Questions:
1) What is the order of magnitude of 3rd generation chips ASICMiner anticipates to sell (total / first batch / first 3 months)?
re 1) Order of magnitude: Depending on fab capacity. Total target is 10k to 40k wafers, relying on competitors, Bitcoin price, and other factors. A wafer is rated at 40 TH/s.
Did I read that right? 10,000 - 40,000 wafers, at 40TH/s each, = 400 PH/s - 1600 PH/s total target gen3 capacity? That number can't be right. Last estimate was 2-20ph. |
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1ph immersion cooled datacenter sounds nice.
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If BA wants to play like grown-ups and have an NDA in effect, then they should've raised the capital themselves to begin with instead of de facto crowdfunding.
NDA of any kind with a project like this is completely unacceptable.
Yet is required by Verisilicon, regardless of funding type. Then post the NDA. let's all look at it. Please stop posting about fucking cases, nobody gives a shit. We only care that we are losing money. Also, we have no idea you haven't taken over dz coop and basically perpetuated mass fraud on trusting members of the coop. MATT CARSON, remember that fucking name. If you don't go down with this, I will always stay well clear from you, now and in the future. Lloyde rage post #453 |
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The only people who think switching over to decentralized exchanges is a bad idea are people who are heavily invested in centralized exchanges.
Think about all the hassle and headaches that have been caused by centralized exchanges:
glbse
btct.co
bitfunder
- ddos attacks
- relatively high fees for trading, withdrawing money
- long delays on withdraws
- exchanges asking for driver's license scans and other identifying information
- government intervention
The market will move towards decentralized exchanges, it is inevitable.
You're not talking about centralized exchanges, you're talking about idiocy pretending that a website theme and a lot of pretense will change nonsense into something real. Shockingly, that doesn't work. It won't work regardless of whatever new context you try to fit it in. Your response to my post does not make sense. These were/are centralized bitcoin security exchanges: glbse btct.co bitfunder I was talking about centralized exchanges. To translate mpoe pr's post: "Any centralized exchange besides mpex is a pretend play exchange because they don't have 30btc registration fees and an options trading bot. Stop using useful stock trading services like Havelock and give us your money because we are smarter than you." - mpoe pr Anyone with an IQ above 13 could see that decentralized exchanges would essentially make the only feature mpex offers (secure trading) obsolete. This ist assuming there are even still people who think mpex has a solid system for trading. |
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Its a safe bet mining will happen. You really think FC is going to leave gen1 chips running in the datacenters while gen3 is being sold? I'm quoting friedcat directly, and if the speculation that AM members are involved in mining operations elsewhere is perhaps true, then there is extra motivation NOT to mine with gen3 under the AM banner. I don't have a strong assumption either way, what happens will happen, I'm just wonder why people generally ignore the comment that friedcat himself made and believe that we will definitely continue mining when he stated that there is a chance we may not. Moving towards more pure chip distribution does not mean they will not be mining and selling complete asics. To quote FC directly Full devices from ASICMiner are definitely going to exist on the form of samples and small batches. ASICMiner may also build new mining farms based on new chips. Unsliced wafers may also be available for sale. But the main business direction is to provide packaged chips. So I am assuming the existing mining farms will be converted to gen3 (should be easy considering the liquid cooled racks were designed to be upgradable) and AM may or may not build new farms on top of that. |
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Its a safe bet mining will happen. You really think FC is going to leave gen1 chips running in the datacenters while gen3 is being sold? |
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BA has not levelled with us. They have put an NDA against their own customers. Whether they paid verisilicon is pointless. The chips will be late and non-competitive. I have lost trust in BA. They knew batch 1 would be late and continued to sell batch 2. Very poor conduct.
Thanks for your opinion. I think the chips will arrive around 2 months delayed but that is to be expected with preorders. If you didn't see the possibility of delays your magic crystal ball may be defective. |
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PG, might I suggest making a "black arrow investigation thread" so you can freely create and discuss conspiracy theories and the rest of us looking to discuss BA products and updates can freely do so.
It would be a win-win situation for all of us. Unless your objective is to create fud in which case creating a separate thread would do you no good.
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There is so much butthurt showing in this thread, there should be a NSFW label in the topic.
That's what happens when you pre-order. It's a licence to get your butt hurt by well-meaning and not-so-well-meaning hardware producers. Good of you to chime in Lombriz, perhaps you're a customer who's also hurting, if so you've been categorized as a 'fanboi'. If you're not a customer, then you must ipso facto be a 'troll'. There's a third category called 'mutes', that's reserved for senior management of BA on who's silence the whole game is played, a game where they and their customers always lose. Of course if you've really been watching closely, you'll know that customers themselves are also being characterised as 'trolls' if they're not buying the '75% scam' in lieu of actual delivery of their gear. So what this thread is really about is a few fanbois who love getting butt hurt while customers and everyone else are just trolling while we all wait for those dumb asses the mutes to say anything meaningful.  Was more looking for the point to PG's information still unclear what exactly I am supposed to glean from his posts tad confusing. He used to be more laser focused on his discoveries about BFL but seems to be losing focus on this thread. Can we get a conclusion to what you dug up already? But I get the thread devolved do to the push of BA products. He uncovered a few things: A: blackarrow and bobsag continue to provide very good communication even during pages of nonsensical trolling. B: oleole, pg, and a few other fudsters who don't have an order with BA have been nerd raging hard for the past few days. If you look closely you will notice the level of butthurt from actual BA customers is minuscule compared to the trolls. |
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The amount people are willing to pay for 5gh baffles me.
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I'm always amazed by the lack of discussion of discus fish on here.
OrganofCorti clearly developed evidence connecting them to ASICMiner back in the late spring of 2013. Now they have >10% of network hashrate.
Ever wonder where your dividends went?
EDIT: To be 100% clear, I think Friedcat chose to reinvest his earnings in his own mining operation independent of ASICMiner. No direct fraud just a huge conflict of interest, and lots of shareholders wondering why their hashrate never grows.
even if that is the case there is nothing to be done about that though is there... so it's primarily an ethical question not a legal one... and perhaps a question of how comfortable do you feel owning AM shares if you think the connection between AM and discus exists. as with anything in bitcoinland, don't forget it's high risk and there are no guarentees... Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't discus fish a pool anyone can join? I doubt FC spent his personal funds on more gen1 hardware. I think its more likely a group of people with antminers |
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they're getting reputationally hammered and that no amount of page deletions is going to change that.
Since when was 3 nerds trolling a tread who haven't even purchased a product with BA considered "reputational hammering". The only reputation being hammered is your own as you and PG which have proven to be extremely childish and in desperate need of attention. Consider yourself ignored. |
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Just got done with my meetings, decent amount to post/ update, but im regharging my stuff at my hotel room (im an idiot and forgot foreign adaptors) uploading some photos, and going over my notes. I will either post more info tonight (UK time) or tomorrow afternoon when I get back to denver (~5PM mst tomorrow).
Thanks for keeping us updated and ignoring the trolls. |
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It's much easier to shut down an issuer than an exchange, which can stay mostly hidden.
 there are more issuers than exchanges, so shutting down a single exchange is easier than shutting down every single issuer. That should be quite... obvious? btw please stop feeding the troll, just ignore jimmothy. I don't want to read replies to his posts, nobody should. Are you seriously calling me the troll while simultaneously agreeing with me? Its hilarious that you think I'm a troll because I said havelock wasn't a scam and you thought it was. And now you are using havelock and giving them your money. A bit hypocritical don't you think? |
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Hey Hey, a nice 19.49% difficulty rise should make a dividend for sell of around 0.02  I calculated 0.0436 You need to remove the % in fees that twentyseventy is taking & daily divs already paid 0.00114617 *200 = 0.229234 new rate is 0.0009592 *200 = 0.19184 Remaining is 0.0305 minus already paid divs gives 0.0248 ish Only 5 days of mining dividends were paid out and ipo was based off 210 days now adjusted to 200. |
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Hey Hey, a nice 19.49% difficulty rise should make a dividend for sell of around 0.02 I calculated 0.0436 |
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Well that's a MF'in' lie, for default is GMT, and it has to be set to some other, in Carson's case CST whether he lives in Eastern Texas or Missouri, MST if Denver.
Is that 24-48 hours forum time or UK time ot like in a Fortnight™ time?
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