s/he or it was born a birdie dog or a doggie birdie, so s/he / it has limit intellectual capacities (accordingly, needs to stay on the same theme, otherwise will get lost)      

Gnode:  I provided a rationale in my post that you clipped.. you understand that in making any kind of claim there is logic and there is evidence... that assist us to arrive at conclusions (and/or claims that we make).  When we make claims, usually there is a combination of both logic and evidence  but it is NOT necessary to have both logic and evidence for every case that a poster makes.  Also, sometimes when the claims are NOT controversial, posters may NOT even need to provide either logic or evidence for their claim(s). 

  Hopefully my explanation here makes sense for you, to the extent that you may possibly be interested in any kind of meaningful discussion of the subject matter?   

You are NOT being very specific in your critique, and what are the possible solutions to this?  Educate people about different crypto currencies?  They have NO incentive to be educated until they become more invested in the ideas and/or practices of crypto, no?    Are you proposing any forward direction?

My ALL CAPS gets stuck on certain words... funny that!!!   

People say all kinds of shit.  You need to learn to think for yourself and to take information that you get on the interwebs with a grain of salt...   Also take responsibility for your own decisions rather than suggesting that someone else tricked you into some kind of action that you would NOT have otherwise taken.   

+1  totally agree, Otoh!!!!

Anyone taking advice from the internet needs to take such advice with a grain of salt, to do their own research and to weigh their own risks, timeline, finances, etc.

people talk bullish and they talk bearish, but there really is NO reason to generalize them into a group and label them as either bulltards or beartards.  That kind of name calling, labeling and categorizing does NOT meaningfully contribute to better understanding the substance of the various arguments that are being made by any of these posters.

Chuckee,

Even though you are a fucking troll, and rarely do you lend any value within any of your posts; however, here you seem to be largely correct. 

Risto made a prediction, and largely he was predicting upward BTC price direction from mid-August onward. and he should take responsibility for such, especially when he (Risto) makes such predictions with such arrogance.

On the other hand, Risto made a lot of valuable contributions including in his post describing the bitcoin price situation at the time of OP.

I suspect that if Risto toned down some of his arrogance within his posts and sometimes made concessions regarding his getting things wrong (or overstating matters), he would NOT cause himself to be such a target for being told that he is wrong... .which NONE of us should expect to really be able to foretell specifics regarding BTC prices.. except for just providing and estimating probabilities.

I suspected that if I perused a sufficient quantity of your posts, mmitech, I would run across some piece of wisdom.... and yes, finally, a piece of wisdom from mmitech!!!   

I'm not joking.  +1 to this one of mmitech's posts.   

That's why you should NOT trade.   

EvilPanda:  Your conclusion, here, is fucked up.  Speculation does NOT mean that you can say whatever the fuck you want.  Your speculation will be more credible the more that it is backed up by sources and or rationale and or explanation.

Who the fuck knows for sure when there is going to be a "spike," and readers of these kinds posts should take the contents of such predictions with a grain of salt that a large majority of us are speculating regarding the specifics of the price direction, to the extent that we are able to formulate any theory, the theory is merely a reflection of what we believe to be probable or likely based on the information that we have, and NOBODY, not even whale manipulators know all of the factors.

Further, in order to be at least a little more fair to Chopstick, s/he /it made the prediction about a week ago.... HELLO!  and contained in the prediction is a time line prediction of 3-6 months, we are NOT even close to the range of s/he/its prediction.  So, I would NOT be accusing Chopstick as being misleading or incorrect in any regards.  Possibly, if 8 months pass and the "spike" has NOT yet occurred, you may be able to suggest that s/he / it was incorrect in the prediction, but that may merely be a timing question rather than a substantive criticism.      

That is hillarious!!!    And, even if there happens to be a girl or two on the internets, these one or two girls should also find this post to be funny... but how am I to get into the mind(s) of the fairer ones?

There's girls on here?  Shit, I better change my way of expressing myself!!!   

You have a good point there that we have to still behave in such a way to account for the manipulation and attempt to do our best, in spite of manipulations that are ongoing. 

On a related note, I will take one exception to your above described situation.  you seem to be denigrating, again, the concept of manipulation by attempting to describe it as systematic - and that is likely NOT the case.  Manipulation likely occurs because it is allowed to occur, and there are even various competing forces within the manipulation world that strive for control and/or getting their way within their sphere(s) of influence.  In this regard, it is likely safer to consider manipulation occurring within and by various manipulative and competing spheres of influence rather than merely by one or a narrow set of cooperative manipulative forces.

In incentives are NOT as great for various bullwhales to engage in such attempts at upward manipulation... surely, you are correct that they have incentives to manipulate BTC prices upwards, but they are NO way near as powerful as status quo financial institutions that are frequently backed to some extent (directly or indirectly) by governments.  These are NOT tinfoil hat theories, there are a lot of examples in history in which both financial institutions and governments engage in manipulative, corrupt, immoral and/or criminal behavior and the fact that some of them engage in such activities does NOT indicate that everyone involved in these institutions are bad or even that others know about such manipulations to be occurring in some kind of systematic way - b/c the system itself is going to outwardly project goodness and benevolence and there will be a variety of people within this system who are acting with good faith and good intentions without realizing about the dark forces that are allowed to exist simultaneously (that is NOT tinfoil hat, even though some people strive to denigrate such interpretations of the word as if they were tinfoil hat).

The fact of the matter is that there remains a pretty strong incentive for some alleged manipulators to incur losses, and if you believe that all actors in the BTC trading game are motivated by profits (at least in the short-term), then you maintain a very naive outlook regarding BTC and its threat to mainstream status quo financial institutions (and maybe even some governmental institutions are going to perceive similar kinds of threats coming from BTC).

I am of the belief that so far, the BTC sphere has NOT established any reliable and/or well known mechanism for auditing bitcoin exchanges (and/or other holders of customer bitcoins), and surely, it would be nice to establish these kinds of auditing systems in order to match up every bitcoin with one that exists on the blockchain - because supposedly one of the central and valuable attributes of bitcoin remains its NON-duplicating scarcity.   

If bitcoin loses its non-duplicating scarcity or exchanges (and/or other holders of customer bitcoins) are able to engage in fractional reserve banking, then the value of bitcoin (and its scarcity) is going to be considerably undermined... and BTC prices will go into the toilet... and/or remained at extensively deflated levels.

Sometimes I have suspected that some of the current exchanges (and maybe even the chinese exchanges) are already engaging in a form of fractional reserve banking with bitcoins - because I wonder from where are all the bitcoins are coming that are being sold and dumped on the exchanges.. though it is possible that the exchanges need NOT be engaging in fractional reserve banking in order for BTC prices to be manipulated downward so long as they have systems in which they can acquire large quantities of coins OTC and then transfer them to exchanges for dumping (buy in secret and sell publicly, which downwardly manipulates prices) which seems to be the current status of BTC's prices to be manipulated downward on exchange dumps.

I did NOT know that moderators negotiated with terrorists??     

If you read the thread, you will see that it was posted by Atlas.. who was subsequently banned.. and apparently a notorious poster.