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2701  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China hasn't offically banned ICO's on: September 10, 2017, 02:33:59 PM
The People's Bank of China has actually produced a statement in English to clarify for those mistranslating:

http://www.pbc.gov.cn/english/130721/3377816/index.html

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I. The Essential Attributes of Fundraising Through Coin Offering

Financing through coin offerings refer to financing bodies raising virtual currencies such as Bitcoin or Ethereum from investors through illegal sales and circulation of crypto currency or tokens. Such offerings, in essence, are unauthorized and illegal public fundraising and are suspected of involving in criminal activities such as illegal selling of tokens, illegal issuance of securities, illegal fundraising, financial fraud and pyramid schemes. The competent authorities will closely monitor the related developments, strengthen coordination with the judicial departments and local governments, strictly enforce the law and work based on the current mechanism, and resolutely clamp down on market irregularities. Any suspected crimes, once identified, will be transferred to judicial department.

The token or “virtual currency” used in coin offerings are not issued by the monetary authority. Such currency does not have characteristics of money such as legal tender status and mandatory use, has no legal status equivalent to money, and cannot be circulated or used as currency in the market.

II. No Organizations or Individuals Shall Engage in Illegal Fundraising through Coin Offering

From the date of release of this Notice, fundraising through coin offering shall be banned immediately. Any individuals or organizations that have completed fundraising through coin offering shall make arrangements to return the funds raised, and to ensure that the legitimate rights and interests of the investors are protected and the risks involved are properly managed. The government departments concerned will strictly investigate and address the coin offering activities that have continued despite the ban and the illegal activities in the projects that had completed fundraising.

That's pretty clear - they've banned ICOs.
2702  Economy / Speculation / Re: Has Crypto currency reached its maximum market cap? on: September 10, 2017, 01:30:25 PM
No.

Basically, if regulated money (eg pension fund money) finally starts to invest in cryptocurrencies, then the current market cap is tiny compared to what will come.

But it's a big IF. The SEC and other regulators are not going to approve ETFs and pension money investments in cryptocurrency, while the price can be manipulated by badly translated FUD from China, orchestrated by some Chinese whales.

It's only when the bulk of trading is done on regulated exchanges - GDAX, Gemini, Bitstamp etc - that institutional money will start to come in. And we're a long way off that.
2703  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Chiasso, Switzerland Municipality to Allow Citizens to Pay Taxes in Bitcoin on: September 10, 2017, 01:05:51 PM
https://news.bitcoin.com/chiasso-switzerland-to-allow-citizens-to-pay-taxes-in-bitcoin/

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The Swiss municipality of Chiasso has announced that it will accept tax payments in bitcoin from January 2018 onwards. The announcement signifies a further gathering of momentum for Switzerland’s bid to become a global leader in the bitcoin and cryptocurrency industries, with Chiasso seeking to rival Zug’s Crypto Valley as a major global hub for bitcoin adoption and innovation.

Chiasso will begin accepting bitcoin as a form of taxation payment beginning in January 2018, with the city planning to trial the method by initially restricting payments to values up to 250 Swiss francs (CHF). Zug currently accepts taxation payments in bitcoin of up to 200 CHF, and since July has received more than 40 payments in bitcoin.

For those wondering, Zug is another municipality in Switzerland.

What we have here is rival municipalities competing to be the most bitcoin-friendly.

When you can pay your taxes in bitcoin, get your salary in bitcoin and buy food and pay rent in bitcoin - that's when it will have gone truly mainstream.

January 2018 is almost here with us and I will want to see this dream come true no matter how vague with the current challenges because if I will be receiving my salaries in bitcoin, the question is, will it be the dollar equivalent I will be receiving or a fixed amount of btc because looking at both options, the challenges and advantages avoid both for the employer and the employee.

Are you in Switzerland? If you are being paid in bitcoin I imagine it will be the bitcoin equivalent of your salary in Swiss francs.
2704  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Chiasso, Switzerland Municipality to Allow Citizens to Pay Taxes in Bitcoin on: September 10, 2017, 12:27:59 PM
https://news.bitcoin.com/chiasso-switzerland-to-allow-citizens-to-pay-taxes-in-bitcoin/

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The Swiss municipality of Chiasso has announced that it will accept tax payments in bitcoin from January 2018 onwards. The announcement signifies a further gathering of momentum for Switzerland’s bid to become a global leader in the bitcoin and cryptocurrency industries, with Chiasso seeking to rival Zug’s Crypto Valley as a major global hub for bitcoin adoption and innovation.

Chiasso will begin accepting bitcoin as a form of taxation payment beginning in January 2018, with the city planning to trial the method by initially restricting payments to values up to 250 Swiss francs (CHF). Zug currently accepts taxation payments in bitcoin of up to 200 CHF, and since July has received more than 40 payments in bitcoin.

For those wondering, Zug is another municipality in Switzerland.

What we have here is rival municipalities competing to be the most bitcoin-friendly.

When you can pay your taxes in bitcoin, get your salary in bitcoin and buy food and pay rent in bitcoin - that's when it will have gone truly mainstream.
2705  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Real Reason China Banned Exchanges? Cryptocurrency is a Ponzi Scheme on: September 10, 2017, 12:10:24 PM
Well, given that the Chinese arn't allowed to actually buy or sell goods and services with bitcoin, for them it is just a speculative token. So i guess from their point of view it's a ponzi scheme.
2706  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Yours Network Launches Bitcoincash Beta on: September 10, 2017, 11:33:23 AM
https://news.bitcoin.com/network-launches-bitcoin-cash-beta/

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Last month, Yours Network CEO, Ryan X. Charles, announced their platform would be switching from litecoin to bitcoin cash for payments. Now they have a fully functional beta implementation for bitcoin cash. As a result, their platform is more reliable, streamlined, and cleaner.

With full bitcoin cash functionality, transactions on the network run smoother and contain less bugs. According to Charles, “payments are far more reliable now because we don’t have dozens of unfinished payment channel edge cases.” He continued, “the big difference between last month and now is that the app is actually good enough to use.”

This implies users should be able to manage their activity on the platform more seamlessly. The micro-payments provided by bitcoin cash also allowed for lower fees.

They also added 5 features in the last two days. These features include:

    A voting model where anyone can up-vote something and earn rewards. However, earlier voters earn more rewards. This incentivizes people to vote — they can earn money from voting on something if they vote on something popular early.
    A tipping feature. Anyone can visit someone’s profile and send them a tip.
    The front-page is now sorted by # of votes, so it is better curated. Good content tends to rise to the top.
    Yours Network now charges 10¢ to post content. This has eliminated most of the spam on the platform.
    Yours Network displays reading time before and after the pay wall. This lets people have more critical information about whether they want to pay for what’s behind the pay wall.
2707  Economy / Speculation / Re: So what has China banned now? on: September 10, 2017, 11:16:08 AM
Nothing. The whales and the shorters wanted to sell. They try to do it to coincide with "news" so that people have a story to tell themselves to explain it all, but the reality is, there is profit-taking going on.
2708  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC Trend on: September 10, 2017, 09:49:31 AM
I think due to ICO ban, the rumors and the uncertainty that came along with it, all the weak hands are out at the moment.
I suppose the price around 4K is something like the bottom we have reached.
And if this really is the bottom, it's a pretty high one!
Once the fear of the panic sellers has settled, many of them will return into the market.
And that will bring us back on track to hit the 5K again. Maybe in October.

All weak hands are NOT out yet.

That only happens when there has been a prolonged drop and people give up in despair. Like at the end of 2016.

At the moment you have some nervous people who are holding and watching and waiting. It bitcoin manages to hold $4000, that will be a major success!
2709  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: trading altcoins with BTC "OR" USDT ! on: September 10, 2017, 09:43:07 AM
USDT is one of those things that only looks good from afar but it is far from good.

the first time i found out about tether i thought this is exactly what crypto world needs. something that is not fiat but it has the same value. but when you study it an read a little more about it you can see it is not really good at all. it in fact has a lot of risk. risk that is unnecessarily introduced when you use it. and it is heavily centralized which is always bad in crypto world.

This. It's shady as anything, and eventually when it's shut down for pretending to be dollars, people will lose their money.

Stick to trading against BTC.
2710  Economy / Economics / Re: Is America a failed nation? on: September 09, 2017, 04:14:11 PM
America isn't as great as it used to be. The government is rotting on the inside, racism is still there, a large percentage of the population is incarcerated and many more. I think the only thing America could be proud of is it's top-notch education and it's military might.

Actually America is doing great. Yes there is a whole circus going on around Trump, but the country is functioning, GDP is growing and unemployment falling.

The design of their constitution is genius, with many centres of power and a lot done at state and city level. So it really doesn't matter who is president, the whole thing just carries on.

In a way it's a anti-fragile nation - you can't break it.
2711  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: What's with all of the spikes in the price of altcoins a few months ago? on: September 09, 2017, 04:05:18 PM
There was a lot of new money coming into crypto, and the pumper-dumpers saw their chance, so lots of coins got pumped (with the FOMO crowd then piling in).

I think pretty much every coin on Poloniex and Bittrex managed to get pumped, even deadish coins like Reddcoin got pumped.

This happens everytime noobs come into the market. The last time was early 2014 before Mtgox collapsed - many were looking for "the next bitcoin" and all sorts of rubbish got pumped - in those days the action was on Mintpal and Cryptsy.
2712  Economy / Speculation / Re: Chinese ban bitcoin news is 100% pure bullshit on: September 09, 2017, 03:40:05 PM
It seems this bad news really affect traders inside China.  The price of bitcoin plummet in there resulting to lower price, as I recall a news stated that Bitcoin price fall under $4000 after the news about closing exchanges spreads in the internet.  We are still confused whether this statement is true or not but the impact of such news had already been felt.  I hope this won't badly affect the global market of Bitcoin .

It only fell under $4000 on the Chinese exchanges (I believe it went down to $3600).

But on the Western exchanges the $4000 level held and it began to rise within minutes. As long as the $4000 support holds, there really isn't anything to panic about, bitcoin will just consolidate for a few days.
2713  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it better that China just gets out of Bitcoin? on: September 09, 2017, 01:10:35 PM
Either way we can't keep having this uncertainty if Bitcoin is going to get acceptance in the general community.


The problem was that the western exchanges followed the Chinese exchanges down, without knowing what was going on. It was sell first, ask questions about why later.

Once the bulk of the trading happens on the western exchanges, this problem will go away. No-one is going to take any notice of a small market.

So - the problem will solve itself when the bulk of trading happens on GDAX, Gemini, Bitstamp and Kraken.
2714  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Mario Draghi has dashed Estonia’s dream for a state-issued cryptocurrency on: September 09, 2017, 01:03:05 PM
Bummer, I've been wanting to see a state-issued crypto for a while now.

It might still happen - the Bank of England has been doing a project on it for the last few years. Britain has it's own currency, so they just need the Treasury to say yes, and off they go.
2715  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Why such a crash in China? on: September 09, 2017, 12:09:12 PM
In particular, the report is saying that Chinese citizens won’t be able to use exchanges to buy bitcoins, ethers and more using Chinese yuan, and vice versa.

Cryptocurrencies aren’t banned per se, just exchanges. But do bitcoins have value in China if you can’t exchange them? That’s the main question and the reason why cryptocurrencies are crashing.

This is most likely one persons interpretation of china's law that crypto currencies are not allowed to be used as a currency. They're only to be used as a commodity meaning you cannot purchase items or services with them like you can in other countries. Lots of people took this as you cannot purchase currencies with money.

Some sites were saying that some chinese exchanges were already stopping the purchasing of cryptos, but not the sales. Which makes no sense, if they were going to ban one they would ban both.

The thing about China is it's an autocracy, not a democracy. Citizens have no come-back if they don't like stuff, it's not like they can throw the Communists out of govt.

That's why they panic at this type of news. It may or may not be FUD - but one day it will be real, and the Chinese who don't panic and sell will have all their stuff swiped by their govt.

The rest of the world will just carry on of course.
2716  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Mario Draghi has dashed Estonia’s dream for a state-issued cryptocurrency on: September 09, 2017, 11:00:33 AM
https://qz.com/1072740/mario-draghi-of-the-ecb-dashes-estonias-plan-for-an-estcoin-cryptocurrency-backed-by-the-government/

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Bitcoin, the original stateless cryptocurrency, has often been tolerated and sometimes embraced by governments, central banks, and other key institutions around the world. But there is a limit to some officials’ acceptance of cryptoassets.

The president of the European Central Bank yesterday rejected the idea that Estonia, which is part of the euro zone, could issue and manage its own state-backed cryptocurrency. The idea is still theoretical, but ECB president Mario Draghi shot it down anyway when asked about it at a press conference: “No member state can introduce its own currency; the currency of the euro zone is the euro.”

An Estonian cryptocurrency has been mooted as part on the country’s e-Residency program that provides a digital identity to foreign entrepreneurs. Kaspar Korjus, managing director at e-Residency, floated the idea of issuing “estcoins” that allow people to invest in the country. The cryptocurrency would be available through its its e-residency program via an initial coin offering, which takes some of the principles of bitcoin and blends them with crowdfunding. Proceeds could go into a type of public-private partnership.
2717  Economy / Speculation / Re: China Closing Doors Equals Death of Bitcoin? on: September 09, 2017, 10:56:34 AM
most of the mining of bitcoin is done in china now, there are huge farm setup just for that.
so if the ban was real, what would that mean for mining bitcoin in general ?

If the mining is also forbidden, the miners will be shifted overseas. That is not a problem.

Some Chinese miners have already pre-emptively opened overseas operations. See

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/chinese-bitcoin-mining-firm-canaan-to-open-10-mw-facility-at-node-pole-sweden/

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China-based Canaan Creative, a bitcoin mining firm commonly known by Avalon, its bitcoin mining chip brand, will open a data center powered by hydroelectric power at the ‘Node Pole’. Owned by power companies, the technology infrastructure hub is situated in the Boden region near the Arctic Circle n in Sweden.

Canaan, which manufacturers ASIC microprocessors, claims to be the first Chinese bitcoin company to open a data center in Europe. The facility will operate at 10 MW at its initial stage, leaving room for expansion in the future.

I expect if China bans mining, these businesses will just open operations in other parts of the world, they have the cash to do it.
2718  Other / Off-topic / Re: I am getting sick of fucking Chinese idiots on: September 09, 2017, 10:05:38 AM
It's mostly Chinese money and mining propping up the absurdly high valuation of btc right now.  If they leave, or are "banned" (which doesn't really seem to be the case), then you're going to see a massive retraction in price of btc specifically and many of the alts as well by extension.

 

It really isn't. That whole myth was put to bed when the chinese stopped zero-fees trading and we saw how low the real number of trades were.

I'd say the Koreans and Japanese have more to do with the bitcoin price than China. And with the move of the Japanese into mining, the mining might shift away from China too.
2719  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why don't ICO's use Coinbase or similar services for payments? on: September 09, 2017, 09:33:00 AM
No one will ever use Coinbase or something similar to host ICO's, because ICO's have been working fine without them. Not to mention, Coinbase has the SEC right up their bums, and i doubt some of these shady motherfuckers in digital currencies would ever want anything to do with them.


Who remembers Moolah? good times

This. Coinbase also has the IRS demanding to see all their member accounts (they've successfully resisted, but for how long?).

Lots of the ICO operators are shady and don't want teh scruitiny an account with coinbase would bring.
2720  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Jaguar LandRover is backing DOVU on: September 09, 2017, 09:05:38 AM
A new UK startups intends to do just that. DOVU aims to become “the global marketplace for transport data.” It’s planning a token sale on 3 Oct, 2017, which will fund its distributed marketplace for the “give and take of transport-related APIs”, powered by the “DOV” token.

Who would be their customers? I mean who is in the market to purchase transport data?
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