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2741  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Bounty sebagai pekerjaan utama? on: June 09, 2022, 09:07:41 PM
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benar, signature campaing bayaran bitcoin lebih aman dibandingkan dengan bayaran altcoin sehingga sangatlah wajar jika lebih banyak penguna forum yang sudah mapan lebih memilih bayaran bitcoin dibandingkan altcoin. Bayaran bitcoin biasannya para peserta terhindar dari volatilitas harga, tetapi untuk altcoin kebanyakannya tidak.

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Mas, namanya token ya pasti ada selisihnya, lagi pula pada signature dengan bayaran btc pun ini ada 2 model pembayaran
1. Fixed rate
Fixed rate ini merupakan bayaran yang diberikan dalam bentuk BTC, ga peduli naik atau turun, bayaran yang diterima akan tetep sama. Contoh, bayaran sepekan 0.001BTC, mau harga naik mau turun, maka hasil BTCnya akan tetep 0.001 BTC.

2. USD rate.
Ini adalah metode pembayaran dalam rate USD namun dibayarkan dalam bentuk BTC. kalau ini, hasil BTCnya akan variatif tergantung dengan harga market saat distribusi. misalnya, kampanye dibayar senilai $60 dalam bentuk BTC, ini mau harga naik atau turun, yang jadi patokan adalah USDnya, bukan bitcoinnya. misal BTC naik, dari awalnya bayaran kampanye senilai $60 berpotensi mendapatkan 0.001, karena BTC naik, bayaran diterima menjadi 0.008 BTC, dan seterusnya.
2742  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: June 09, 2022, 05:55:21 PM
AC Milan should have realized this considering their performance in the Champions League last season was very bad, so it is appropriate to look forward to next season AC Milan must improve a lot even though with the squad they currently have they are able to get the 2021-2022 Scudetto season but to remain competitive and competing tightly in the next season, AC Milan has to hunt for many players with star labels in order to be able to go further in the next season's Champions League.

In my opinion, the current Milan players are still not fully ready to play in the UCL. This is the 2nd season after being absent in UCL for a long time, some players are already experienced in UCL, but Milan's young players still need time to have a good mental to play in UCL. We remember how when Milan had a squad of Dida, Cafu, Jankulovski, Sheva, Kaka ... in the 2007 era, all the players already had a very long playing time in the UCL, so it was easy for Ancelotti to make a good strategy, because from a mental they are ready. As for the current squad, and facing the UCL next season, I'm still pessimistic that Milan can reach semifinals.
2743  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [TIPS] Menghindari Investasi Skema Piramida on: June 09, 2022, 05:46:26 PM
Jadi kita sepakat skema-skema coin seperti itu sudah menjurus ke scam alias ponzi jenis baru. Para scammer memanfaatkan Eforia crypto dan mulai masuk dari pintu itu karena target uang lebih gede dan mudah karena tidak hanya 1 jenis/golongan tertentu saja, bahkan anak sekolah, gamer, ibu rumah tangga, artis dan politisi. Kelebihan crypto memang menyebar lebih cepat dibanding skema model lama karena ditunjang oleh teknologi modern.
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Sulit sih memang untuk membedakan mana yang potensi ponzi dan tidak, kalau menurut saya pribadi, ketika ada koin staking, tidak bisa dikatakan ponzi, apabila reward yang dihasilkan adalah hasil generate token baru dari smart-contract. Misal, kita deposit untuk Liquidity Pool Token A, dengan APY 400%, rewardnya dalam bentuk token A dari hasil generate dari SC, ini murni reward. Tapi, kalau misalkan staking ini ternyata untuk sistem dan midel yang berbeda, ini perlu dianalisa lagi, dari mana datangnya reward tersebut.

Reward saat ini sangat variatif, mulai dari hold to earn, lock to earn, liquidity pool, dan sebagainya, dan semua ini bukan termasuk ponzi kok. sisanya sudah dijelaskan oleh mas rico
2744  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Robot Trading, Menjanjikan Profit, Benarkah? on: June 09, 2022, 05:36:58 PM
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Berkaca dari kasus ini tentu sangat terlihat, bahwa robot trading benar menjadi lahan bisnis. Karena saya tidak memiliki robot trading tapi melihat diskusi diatas saya semakin enggan untuk mencoba karena terkadang ada prasarat dana mengendap, minimal pencairan, dan tentu saja saya merasa tidak aman. Karena prinsip saya asset saya yang mengelola saya, jangan sapai melalui perantara aplikasi yang meragukan saya.

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Kalau penyedia bot melakukan pengendapan dana pengguna, itu 99% adalah ponzi mas, mengapa, karena mereka akan menggunakan dana endapan pengguna ini untuk memberikan profit (di awal) untuk user baru. Karena dengan cara ini mereka akan menarik minat korban. Jadi, yang baru gabung mendapatkan profit, menyebarkan kalau ia profit, semakin banyak dana endapan, kemudian, berangsur akan dirugikan. Dana sisa menjadi tidak bisa ditarik sepenuhnya. Apalagi kalau bukan ponzi kalau sudah seperti ini.

Kalau pengen nyoba bot, gampang, silakan coba join di kucoin, dulu mereka ada fitur bot trading dengan metode grid (kalau masih aktif), mungkin dari sana bisa lebih kenal dengan penggunaan bot.
2745  Economy / Gambling / Re: BK8 - Biggest and Most Trusted Brand. Asia's #1 Crypto online casino BTC & USDT on: June 09, 2022, 05:25:48 PM


But as you know, with the regulation "In Indonesia" while gambling is still prohibited except for Malaysia. They really brave to send the prize, maybe they will doing 2 option
- Sent money to user account with the estimation of that prize
- Or buy the motorcycle in dealer and ask customer to take it by them self.

Who know, cause I only get 8th ~XD

Even though they send in goods/products, I believe they will not provide any information about this company. Transferring money or asking to pick up the goods at the dealer makes sense. But, in my opinion, the possibility is to use a personal name or another business unit that does exist. Isn't it very easy to do a method like this. But it seems the option of transferring money is the easiest to do than sending real products. If it's like a powerbank as example, they can use a personal name, no worry about this company. but, as you said, maybe for some people will not giving their address just for powerbank.
2746  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: June 08, 2022, 07:49:24 PM
Barcelona are interested in Robert lewandowski come to think of it who won't be interested in Barcelona I think the focus should be that Robert lewandowski is interested in Barcelona even in there current poor situation I think everything is set for this move the only problem now may be Robert lewandowski's parent club Bayern Munich but I hope the consider his years of service and let him have his way.

If Lewandowski goes to Barcelona, then next season Xavi can improve their team performance better. In my opinion, it will also be the best career experience for Lewandowski if he is involved in Xavi's team development process. We know, now Barcelona is no longer like the era of Messi, the majority of star players left from Barcelona, when Lewandowski was able to give the title, then this could be a new history for him as a football player. also Xavi proven he is new talented coach in La Liga.
2747  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: June 08, 2022, 06:30:38 PM

AC Milan is obliged to comply with Serie A regulations and avoid sanctions. because with the departure of Alessio Romagnoli and Mirante,
AC Milan did not meet the quota of players. But as far as I know AC Milan can always meet the regulations every season, so AC Milan can
definitely overcome the lack of player quota by registering players from their own academy. As you said AC Milan is a big Italian team that
has their own academy, which has a number of good players ready to be promoted to the first team. So far AC Milan has registered 7 Italian
players, so it only requires 1 more player to complete the quota. And that's a problem that AC Milan will soon solve, because AC Milan certainly
does not want to be penalized.

Yep, It should be easy for AC Milan if only to fill in just one additional player. Taking from the academy was enough if only to fill the position. However, what is worried is, when this player is not ready to be fielded by Milan. Milan need players who are ready to playing as starter or even just as substitute. The main advantage for Milan to attract Italian players is the opportunity to play in the UCL, this could be good offer from Milan to bring in other Italian players. Well, this actually not a big problem, i agree they can solve this very soon.

BTW, there is a rumor if Milan very closed to bring in Sven Botman from Lille.
2748  Local / Marketplace (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: BK8 - Kripto Online Kasino Terbesar dan Terpercaya di Asia - BTC & USDT on: June 08, 2022, 06:15:13 PM
mungkin om masulum tertarik sapa tau bisa masuk 100 besar
Haha, boro2 mas 100 besar, kalau mau mencapai segitu, keknya harus main tiap hari deh, kalau cuma seminggu sekali mah ga bakalan bisa nyampe 100 besar. Saya juga udah ngecek peringat saya, ada di 1000+ untuk promosi spade gaming ini haha, mustahil deh ya kalau ngarepin bisa ke 10 besar. Itu juga hanya berlaku di game-game tertentu, kalau digame yang biasa saya mainkan ga ikut, hanya Caishen yang masuk daftarnya. sedangkan yang biasa saya mainkan Wild Wet Win dan Caishen doank di SG.
2749  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [diskusi] Bagaimana Cara Mengatur Waktumu di Forum? on: June 08, 2022, 06:10:25 PM
Benar, poster Lokal BI banyak yang aktif malam hari, karena kebanyakan dari penghuni Lokal Board punya kesibukan pribadi di siang hari. Aktifitas forum lebih nyaman dikerjakan malam hari (bagi yang punya kesibukan di siang hari), daripada harus nyuri-nyuri waktu saat jam kerja. Saat santai dirumah tanpa harus memikirkan aktivitas luar dapat berkreasi dengan ide-ide cemerlang untuk menghasilkan posting berkualitas. Nyuri-nyuri waktu di sela-sela jam kerja juga dapat menyelesaikan beberapa posting, namun kualitanya jangan ditanya, karena waktunya sangat terbatas.
Kalau memiliki waktu di malam hari seperti kita pasti ga kesulitan untuk ngatur waktu, namun untuk mas @Blue Snow, yang harus kerja di lapangan, setelah seharian menguras tenaga, beliau pasti akan langsung beristirahat, makanya ia ingin mencari masukan bagaimana cara mengatur waktu. Karena, saya sendiri ketika sudah sibuk di malam hari, saya kadang harus bergadang sampe tengah malam untuk aktivitas forum, besoknya harus kembali bekerja. Beruntungnya, saya bekerja secara remote, jadi kalau mau disempet-sempetin siang sih bisa, namun kembali pada masalah pekerjaan utama, jadi saya sangat jarang nyuri waktu untuk forum walaupun seharusnya saya bisa. Kembali pada rasa tanggung jawab kita atas pekerjaan utama.
2750  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Robot Trading, Menjanjikan Profit, Benarkah? on: June 08, 2022, 06:04:22 PM

Untung saja seperti itu karena jika ada yang mengatakan mereka masih tertipu setelah berada di forum ini jelas ini sangat keterlaluan Cheesy
Saya sering membaca beberapa thread yang memang banyak yang mengatakan bahwa hal semacam ini berbahaya di forum ini terlepas dari local maupun dari beberapa diskusi di bagian yang lain dan memang harapan yang ingin dicapai jelas sangat baik tetapi dalam hal ini saya masih percaya untuk yang berada di forum jelas akan aman, tetapi akan sngat sulit mengantisipasi yang diluar forum karena faktanya hal seperti ini sekalipun memang sudah banyak yang di banned pemerintah tetapi hal seperti ini masih terus memakan korban.
Terlepas dari di luar ada banyak kasus seperti ini, setidaknya mas sudah memiliki pengetahuan dan bekal untuk menghindari percobaan penipuan kepada mas. Hal seperti ini sangat riskan, apalagi jika sudah menyangkut bot dan API, jika tidak dibekali pengetahuan yang baik, dan salah dalam mengoneksikan akun, akan berpotensi menguras seluruh aset pada akun. Jika ada orang dekat yang ditawari bot, dan kebetulan cerita kepada mas, dengan pengetahuan saat ini, mas bisa mengingatkan, untuk sisanya terserah yang bersangkutan. Yang penting ingatkan hal pertama kali pada mereka tentang keamanan aset, bukan sebatas iming-iming profit.
2751  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Yang Lagi Booming ( Asix Token ) on: June 07, 2022, 07:24:07 PM
Tanpa adanya komunitas, Asix bisa apa. -snip-
Untuk Asix ini tidak bisa disebutkan sebagai community token, karena kreator masih memegang kendali atas token yang dimiliki. Ini murni token untuk bisnis. Jadi, Anang membutuhkan investor dan kepercayaan investor agar proyek bisa terus berjalan. Namun, jika investor sudah tidak berminat, kita tahu, market di Indonesia seperti apa, koin yang tidak diterima oleh trader global, akan sulit untuk menekan kenaikan harga. Tapi memang benar, Anang jika memang ingin proyek ini dilanjutkan, ia harus menambah modal. Kalau menurut saya, Anang sudah memiliki cadangan untuk digunakan, karena Asix sempat melambung, ga mungkin mereka ga menjual sih. tapi, ini kalau memang Anang benar-benar siap melanjutkan proyeknya.
2752  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll) on: June 07, 2022, 07:11:12 PM
This is my first experience to bet without using the buy free spins feature as a test & trial. I tried it in Fruit Party 1 and also in Caishen (spade gaming), for Fruit Party 1, I did 1000 normal spins and only got 1x bonus. And for Caishen I only get after 500+ spins. even though I get the bonus, the result can't cover the loss from normal spins  Cheesy. From this, I conclude that using normal spins is likely to be a waste of time. Although this is back to luck, because from 100 normal spins you can get some bonus features, however, when compared to normal spins and buying bonus free spins, I prefer to use buy free spins.
2753  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: June 07, 2022, 07:03:27 PM
According to the news, AC Milan received a warning to add 1 Italian player to the squad, which this player can be selected if he is an alumni of the Milan academy, as well as Italian players who are alumni of other club's academies in Italy. If AC Milan fails to meet these requirements, then AC Milan will get a sanction of reducing the number of players from the initial 25 (total) to 24 players. I think, this is not a big problem for AC Milan, because they have their own academy, which may be find new talented players to promoted to the main squad list next season.
2754  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Profitable are Gambling Bots? on: June 07, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
In my opinion, the use of bots in gambling is a way to automate the game if a person plays by a particular strategy but in fact the automation of actions will not be able to affect the outcome of the game or profit. I personally do not use bots in the casino as I want to get real emotions from the game and do not try to beat the casino as I understand that to do so is very difficult.

Yep, bots just a tools to reduce our playing time. And about profit, our profits is not because we are using a bots, but because we are lucky, nothing more. even bots for dice or any gambling, bots for trading, everything that promises profit is fake. We can't make a bot to specify the system to produce the same result as the bot specified. However, bots follow the existing system from gambling system. The only thing that could possible, IF we can break into the system and rule the way as we want. as long as this is not met, it is impossible for the bot to guarantee a profit.
2755  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: taking out a loan for a sports bet on: June 07, 2022, 10:28:56 AM

If he takes a loan, we just hope he can manage the loan money wisely and not use it to play bets. He will get a big risk if he uses the money for betting because there is no guarantee of winning it. If he had lots and lots of valid information, he might have a chance to win but it would all come back to his luck. Many people who have loans find it difficult to repay the loan money, especially those who do not have an income every month. So he has borrowed money or if he wants to borrow money from someone else, he should think twice before deciding.


Exactly, borrowing money to gamble will only add a problem for our life, it would be nice if he win after betting $50K (example), but how if we are lose? Is there money to recover when we have to pay bills. I myself do not dare to do something like this. I'd rather use free money than borrowed money just to bet, since I already doing this long time ago, and I lose. Moreover, even though the team on paper will definitely win, there are always surprises in the match. Sometimes, when we are too confident, and bet All In, the result is just going opposite. However, back to the OP, if he feels he can pay if he loses, he will take the risk.
2756  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to Effectively Maximize Profits from Online Crypto Casinos on: June 06, 2022, 06:33:27 PM
In my opinion there is no way to do that, the only things in my mind is:

1) Bet only if you know what you're doing.

2) Use promo, use promo so much, in way to massimize earnings.

3) Try to promote then by using a referral link.

With this three strategy, you'll reduce your loss and you'll earn something.


Exactly, some people forget when they have gambled and often become a problem is, when they are losses and greed after winning come to the player while playing gambling. In fact, many gamblers doesn't care about targets. when they get a big win, they are trying to chase more, until they are lose completely, add funds to gambling, lose again and so on. It's mean, this gambler no longer knows what he's doing, but he has forgotten himself.

Maximizing referrals is the best for gambling, because from them we get money to gamble without using personal money. But, to get referrals requires effort.
2757  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Angel Lelga ditipu Developer Angel Token on: June 06, 2022, 06:13:49 PM
Ini rada aneh sih, bukannya kalau untuk merekrut brand ambassador dari kalangan artis biasanya akan diminta untuk melakukan pembayaran uang muka (paling tidak), nah kalau memang angel ini duta, harusnya sih menerapkan hal tersebut. apalagi dev menggunakan nama angel pada proyeknya, harusnya ada fee tambahan. tapi ya memang susah juga sih karena yang bersangkutan tidak paham dengan kripto 100%, jadi sangat mudah untuk dimanfaatin. Tapi bener kata mas blue snow sih, keknya hanya angguk-angguk karena diiming-iming nanti profit besar kek anang  Grin
2758  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [TIPS] Menghindari Investasi Skema Piramida on: June 06, 2022, 04:51:49 PM

ini benar mas, saya juga pernah bekerja di pialang emas dan kantor asli kami di ruko pinggir kota namun bos kami dulu menyewa office online di salah satu mall besar, tujuannya untuk menarik minat calon investor...
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begini mas, kalau memang perusahaan memiliki legalitas jelas, ga masalah, ini tidak dianggap dengan penipuan. Menyewa 1 ruangan di salah satu kompleks perkantoran misalnya, ini disebut dengan menyewa virtual office. Kalau perusahaan saya kerja dulu 100% fake, tidak ada kantor di alamat yang disebutkan. Yang seperti ini yang bahaya, kita berpikir kalau kantor tersebut benar-benar ada, tapi kenyataannya sama sekali tidak ada. ini yang repot. Kalau semacam perusahaan mas, selama itu masih ada legalitas yang jelas, maka masih bisa dipertanggung jawabkan. Kalau sudah seperti pengalaman saya, 100% pelanggan tertipu.
2759  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: June 06, 2022, 04:27:14 PM
Pogba is a player who was Allegri's first choice before, so it's normal if Allegri wants him back, apart from needing players who have good goal-scoring instincts, Allegri has a tough task to face next season in order to win the title again. If he manages to bring Pogba back, along with several other new quality players, then Juventus can destroy the dominance of Milan and Inter in the last 2 seasons. But, I agree with Furious 7, bring in back ex player sometimes far from expectations, if Allegri can't manage this, so maybe Pogba can do much for the team.
2760  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [diskusi] Bagaimana Cara Mengatur Waktumu di Forum? on: June 06, 2022, 04:14:15 PM
Rasanya untuk meminta waktu di sela-sela kerja untuk pekerjaan lain tidak akan diperbolehkan sih, kecuali mas blue snow deket sama pimpinan perusahaan dan merupakan karyawan yang dinilai loyal. Jika ini belum terpenuhi, mas e mungkin akan dianggap tidak mengutamakan pekerjaan yang diberikan perusahaan.

Kalau cara saya dulu adalah, memanfaatkan waktu pagi bagun tidur, sebelum berangkat kerja untuk aktif di forum, walaupun sebatas post 1 - 2, atau setidaknya nyimpen topik yang akan di reply nantinya sembari mikirin apa yang akan ditulis.

Kemudian, sepulang kerja sebelum tidur, saya post sisanya untuk menuhi kuota. cara ini cukup berhasil ketika saya memiliki kesibukan yang padat. Namun, sekarang saya sudah pasti manfaatin waktu di malam hari.
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