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2741  Local / Altcoins (Pilipinas) / Re: MIR4 NFT game? on: November 27, 2021, 01:40:18 AM
Kailan ba mga bro iyong event para sa competition ng pagiging Valley Owner?

Paano makapunta dun, I mean kagaya ba yan nung ibang game na need magpalista ng Clan? Saang NPC iyon makita or sa araw lang ng event lalabas ang iyong parang sign-up?

I mean like it or not naging part na ng Mir4 yang mga bwisit na bots na yan. since wala namang ginagawang matinong solusyon yung mga devs, mag aajust na lang ako. ang focus ko ngayon ay mag pataas pa rin ng PS at mag pa level 75 para sa redmoon ako mag mine pag kailangan ko ng darksteel. need ko pa ng 9 levels para grumaduate na ko sa snakevalley. ang focus ko rin ngayon sa MS ay pa level sa experience chamber tapos sa secret peak naman ay boss hunt para sa rare materials at skill tome.

Potek mga mamaw na kayo talaga. Haha. Level 75 na target ako nga hirap sa Pa level 50 haha.

Di rin pantay PS ko pero di ko na iniisip yan. Mahirap magpalevel at least iyong PS puwede ko i-PHP haha. Pansin ko ang mura na ng rare set sa market. Iyong weapon from 4,000 Gold may mga nagbebenta na sa amin ng 2.5k +5 na rin yan with enchant. Musta pricing sa server niyo para alam ko kung mag wait pa ako ng dip. Malabo ko macraft mga yan kaya bilhin ko na lang ng gold. Sa Php 500 pesos, may 100x14 days di pa kasama initial gold. Pag pinurchase ko lahat nung nasa daily, mas malaki. Wise ba yan mga bro? Sa ngayon iyong sa daily spirit binili ko.

Wise yan in terms na hindi ka na mahihirapan pero nakakachallnge din yung mag haunt ng mga materials nakakadagdag exitement ika nga  Grin

Pero kung sa tingin mo eh mas maganda mag shortcut at sure naman na kaya ng budget so bakit ka nga naman maghihirap,

tutal madami naman nambubwiait na bot, mainam na maganda na ung set mo para kahi sa SV hindi ka basta basta mabubully.

2742  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Arbitage trading on: November 26, 2021, 06:16:52 PM
Arbitrage trading is the activity of buying and selling using two different exchanges. The purpose of this trade is to make a profit from the difference in the price of assets on the exchange. This arbitrage process if done correctly can be profitable. For example, by buying Bitcoin from Market A which has a lower price, then selling it to B or C at a higher price. Another strategy in arbitrage on crypto assets is to make cross-border transactions. It seems very natural that the demand and supply of digital assets in each country is different.

You have nicely described arbitrage trade Smiley
But the main problem with doing arbitrage is, You need a lot of funds. With a small fund, you cant able gain a good profit. Also if you want to move erc20 based coin for arbitrage, You need to pay a fee and the fees are very high right now.
Also when you are moving an asset, there is a high chance of price fluctuation. In this way, you can lose money.  r



All are needed to consider before dealing with this kind of opportunities,

You have a very nice point since arbitrage is really something that you have to invest good amount of funds,
the chance of high difference from the price is too small,

most of the time  it's only a slight difference but if you have decent amount of money to invest and you already
do your research, rinsing and keep repeating the strategy will allow you to earn decently.
2743  Local / Pamilihan / Re: NBA discussion, betting and etc. on: November 26, 2021, 04:11:46 PM
Unpredictable lang din ung Pacers, may pagkakataon na maganda nilalaro nila, pero sabi mo nga  parang hindi napapagod at talagang nag eenjoy sila sa laro nila, ganda ng balance kasi ng Chicago kaya masarap din sundan at tayaan.

Medyo napapagod na rin siguro yong Chicago Bulls, tinambakan sila ng Pacers  Grin. Maganda lang talaga yong pinakita ng mga bigs ng Pacers lalo na si Sabonis.

Only four games for today pero yong Blazers vs Nuggets lang tatayaan ko. Underdog yong Nuggets kasi hindi pa maglalaro si Jokic at mahihirapan dito ang Nuggets kung wala yong MVP nila so i'm betting for the Blazers -6.5 @2.

Talo ang Blazers sa laro na yan, naging close ang laban pero nanalo pa rin ang home team sa huli.

Fast forward na tayo kabayan, bukas may laro naman ang Blazers pero sasabak sila against sa Warriors, may chance kaya manalo ang Blazers sa warriors? Nasa -6.5 lang ang warriors ngayon, mukhang magandang tayaan, tingin mo?

Kung may Sobrang pangsugal maganda yan tayaan, kilala naman natin si Curry pag may kaagaw ng eksena nagwawala yun, sana lang makisabay ulit si Wiggins at Poole para double digit ang lamang, maganda din mapanuod ng live yan pag nagpalitan ng long distance shots ung mga players pareho kasing deadly sa labas mga players nila, maiba ako, may rookie yung Blazers Simon ba yun, parang si Kuzma nung bago pa lang sa Lakers, rookie pero talagang aggressive makatulong...
2744  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA 2020-2021 betting on: November 26, 2021, 04:00:51 PM


I think I'm with you on this, I feel the +3.5 for Nuggets is small to convince me to go with them, a team that have lost their last games a couple of which could be classed as blowout, I don't think Jokic's return (If he does) would immediately bring things back to normal.

I'm going with Boston Celtics -3.5 vs San Antonio Spurs.

Good luck to everyone!

I'll be checking this bet, I think after that lost with the Nets, Celtics will bounce back -3.5 is possible.

Will check the game during live event and see which one would be best to place some spare coin, I like the way stadus do, single bet

either ML or handicap no stress when you lose then move ahead to next pick.

Enjoy betting and good luck! Wink
2745  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: November 26, 2021, 10:02:21 AM
A news about Marc Pingris. He unretires and will play for Nueva Ecija in MPBL. His passion for basketball can't be removed and good to see him back play again but no longer for PBA but now for MPBL.
(https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/pingris-unretires-joins-nueva-ecija-in-mpbl/225706)
Also see this news and its not a shock to me since many athletes are coming back from their retirement so basketball here in our country are also belong to that. Its a good decision for Pingris for sure and probably he misses playing on court with his favorite sports, let’s see if Nueva Ecija will become more competitive after Marc joining this team. Seriously, MPBL are getting more serious year after year.
I'm not actually watching MPBL but because of Marc, I might be following a few games not only from him though. It's really good to see someone out from retirement goes back.
It's not just about the offer but also about the love of the game. Well, we see players going from the league after league. AFAIK, there's also another league for which some players from PBA that haven't taken the spotlight are playing there. I forgot the name of the league, it's also in our country.

Not sure if that MBA or PBA D-League,

I saw from one of social media site that it's not just Pingris that will play for Nueva Ecija, Peter Simon will also joining him.

The caption of that post said " Isa na lang kulang" which very easy to identify.
But if I'm not mistaken, James Yap still have one more season before
he will retire his Jersey.

It's interesting, JayJay helterbrand after playing with PBA veterans exhibition game decide to comeback and play with MPBL..
maybe more PBA star  will be joining this league.
2746  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: GGG vs Murata December 29 on: November 25, 2021, 09:18:09 PM
Quote
GGG   - 19 (100%)
Murata   - 0 (0%)
Draw   - 0 (0%)

The boxing community in this forum still trust Golovkin's power, old but still pack a powerful punch, a boxer is judged on his last fight and we have seen him still good in his last fight, I think the Canelo fight that we all hope for will not happen anymore because Canelo is moving to Cruiserweight, but he still can unite all the belt in his division like what Canelo has done.

Actually, it's not only the trust but GGG is seen as the most popular here compare to Murata. I'm pretty sure that 70%-80% of users in this forum don't know, are not familiar, or heard the name of Murata.

But regardless, GGG is really at the advantage here. Age is not a concern as experience is a must. He should be able to deal with Murata without having a major problem or difficulties.
In terms of popularities worldwide, GGG is the most favorite here.

It's true that more not just from here but also from the outside are not familiar with Murata, aside from his local fans and those
who follow him, the name is not as recognized compared with GGG.

It's nice to see if how GGG will take this fight. If he still has that good stamina, we will see more upcoming fight for him.

His physical capabilities still the concern but again, if that not show any much change from his past fights, more interest for him from both fans and promoters.
2747  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: November 25, 2021, 07:46:37 PM
Good decision for Japeth, he knew that he no longer on his prime he will only bring shame to his career.  Grin

Kidding aside, he has a good relationship with Gin kings management so why bother to move away? His team gives him another chance for his career
it's better to end it up and retire using the banner.

We never know who among those stars will change up their minds and transfer to B-League. Only time will reveal that for us.

What are you saying? Even not in prime, he is still better at those all active Filipinos playing right now in B-league. Smiley And why does he get an offer if you think he is already past his prime?

Who among the current PH players there playing at B-league can match Japeth's skills? Parks Jr.? Paras? Ravena's? Those PH players are in their prime but look they are not that ringing the bell in the basketball world. Nothing will be a shame in Japeth's career if he decides to be signed at B-league.

You are right, I'm just pointing my opinion about Japeth personal career, the expectation if not being met, no offense to all of you.

I just remembered him after his try playing in the NBA and end up playing with TNT,

that kind of high expectation but he ended up being bench by coach Chot.

and I'm only kidding, so there's no offense. I know what pride Japeth brings to our country, a good member of team Gilas,

Not possible to be selected if you are not good, right? Cool
2748  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoin investment on: November 25, 2021, 07:03:33 PM
Be careful with mostly new NFTs.

There has been some NFTs that are rugpulling and you don't want that to happen to your money because you've worked hard for it.

It's just a simple reminder that with every NFT that has been suggested to you, take your time to analyze and research.
My friend lost a lot from buying the newly launched NFT, maybe he was too greedy so he made a purchase and didn't do research and in the end felt sorry that he had lost a lot in this case so that this complaint happened a lot.
For me it's an important reminder because analyzing is the main thing before you buy it, if you think it's good with the product being developed then we can draw conclusions about the NFT, so doing research is the most important in my opinion.
An awful experienced but it's really possible to happen if you'll not go to do your homework doing your research.

There are many available projects and before you take one, make sure to rinse it all and sort one by one according to its potential, not good to
be greedy and hoping that first come to invest will mostly earn a lot.

Scammers are everywhere, maybe for some they will try to pump first before running away, but there are also expert scammers who

will run right after the project was launched.
2749  Local / Altcoins (Pilipinas) / Re: MIR4 NFT game? on: November 25, 2021, 06:53:22 PM
Patalino ng patalino ang mga lintek na bots eh.
May burst mode pa na ewan tapos kung saan saan bumabagsak. Meron din pitik na hindi mamumula ang screen mo pero maagaw nila ang minahan sayo.
Madami na silang kakaibang ginagawa kaya hindi maiiwasan na mismong developers na ang pagbagsakan ng sisi sa mga gantong galawan.
Paano nakakalabas ang mga codes na dapat sila lang ang nakakaalam. Talaga nga bang 3rd party application o sadyang may pinagbigyan sila.
Sana mali lahat ng accusations na yan. Fingers crossed.
masyado na kong naumay jan sa pag iisip wether may kinalaman ba talaga ang devs sa mga bots or wala. iniisip ko na lang yung bright side na dulot nung mga bots sa mga valley holder(usually bicheon valley holder). mas malaki kasi ang darksteel daily yield ng valely pag mas marami yung nag mimine.

Bwisit na mga bot yan kahit sa SV 4th floor madami na din ang masaklap pa hindi nila natatamaan yung mga mobs, magugulat ka na lang pag inagawan ka hindi mo mapapatay at malamang sa malamang pag di ka tumakbo ikaw pa ang mapapatay, naguglat ako kasi level 45 lang yung umagaw sa kin pero kahit napalo ko pa ung mobs hindi man lang sila ginalaw ako pa yung nacombo ng palo ng mobs at nun bot, ingat na lang at magpalakas na lang ng magpalakas para makaakyat sa mga DS chambers sa MS na wala pang masyadong tao.
2750  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Casimero vs Butler ordered by WBO on: November 25, 2021, 06:23:54 PM
I'm checking for an update of the fight and try searching for the odds and I fould this.

Quote
WHAT WERE THE ODDS ON CASIMERO VS BUTLER?
Paul Butler is currently (+100) to win the bout outright, while you can get (+100) on John Riel Casimero if you fancy the incredible upset.
https://box.live/fights/casimero-vs-butler/

I'm not sure if the odds are reliable because AFAIK, Casimero is the champion and the better fighter, with +100 for Butler, then most likely the odds for Casimero is very attractive.
Casimero will be the favorite here for sure and it won't be very attractive odds for him ML wise. So it's really better to wait for other betting options and for sure our sports bookies are going to open a line about this fight.

Although that a highly anticipated fight in December, still if the fight are made outside of the US, there are fights that are going to watch and bet for this fight.

And being the favourite, I think Casimero will have be bigger change to win, after all he is the champion and has the experience and the tools to beat a fighter like Butler. Of course, not belittling Butler, he might be a good boxer, but Casimero has power in both hands and I'm seeing that Casimero will land his patented right hand and will put Butler to sleep.

And then we speculate on the Casimero vs Inoue as we are salivating on that fight for a long time now ever since it come out prior to this fight.

If possible, he should do that. It will bring more noise to call in for Inoue's as his next opponent.

Money will talk once fans already call for this event to happen, he need to create more noise in his name internationally, from that it will be unavoidable
for these two champs to meet inside the ring as soon as possible.

Regarding to this fight against Butler, he needs to be more serious and active to make sure that the impact after this fight will

Bring more exposures to his career. Not just those trash talks, but the way he wins is very important to his name.
2751  Local / Altcoins (Pilipinas) / Re: MIR4 NFT game? on: November 24, 2021, 07:17:25 PM
Wala ba minus sa Propensity Points kapag nag-PK sa Magic Square especially sa DS chamber?

Iyong iba killing spree at iyong iba walang patawad kasi nasa Blue ka na, i-ppk ka pa. Di sapat sa kanila na nilayuan ko na sila at ok na ako sa green as always pero hahabulin ka talaga at ikikill.

Kung walang minus, ayun no choice at tanggapin na lang. Pero kung may minus, ano yun ok lang sa kanila mabawasan points?

Walang Minus pareho sa Secret Peak kaya madalas makikita mo naka hostile ung mga nandun, ang sistema kasi kaya pinapatay ka kahit nasa green ka na lang iniiwasan kasi nila na makapag teleport ung mga ka-clan mo, madalas kasi pag may nakapasok ng isang member ng clan unang isusurvey kung anong level at PS ng nagmimina ng red at yellow, pag mababa lang dun magiinvite na un ng party para sure na sila na ang hahawak ng chamber. swapangan na talaga sa larong to dahil sa madaming bot sa  mga valley.
2752  Local / Altcoins (Pilipinas) / Re: MIR4 NFT game? on: November 24, 2021, 01:51:34 PM
Yung sa myriad mysteries kahit makasawsaw ka lang dung sa last quest na Armaddo sa 2nd Floor ng Secret Peak.
Or kung may malakas na ka-clan pwede makahingi ng tulong. Yung kaya na sana tangkihin at may proteksyon para makuha mo pa item kung ikaw ang magsummon.

May isang request sa Bicheon Castle na tricky yung God Slaying Weapon na connected sa isang request sa Bicheon Town. Kailangan mo muna matapos yun bago magbukas yung request. Good luck.

Nakakatakot yung pag-protekta ng clan na may-ari ng Valley sa server namin. Papatayin ka nila kapag inaagawan mo yung bot. At yun nga ay dahil sa makukuhang tax sa pagmimina ng mga bot na to. Pero parang hindi tama. Nawawalan ng lugar yung real players na gusto magmina para maka-upgrade ng mga gamit nila.
Buti na lang talaga nakahanap ng ibang paraan sa umpisa, hindi pa ako nag-smelt kahit isang beses puro pang ups lang. Nag-enjoy na. Cheesy

Ganun pala yun, kaya pala andaming bot at hindi nililinis ng clan holder, meron pala silang kinikita.

Napansin nyo ba sa server nyo na may bot na rin sa SV? ang masaklap makunat ung bot, pag naka AFK ka at inagawan ka matutuluyan na mapatay .

Parang hindi nga tama kasi tayo nagpapakapuyat maglaro tapos ung clan holder mas napapaburan ung bot, di ko alam ung intensyon ng developer pero kasi updates nawawala muna ung bot lalo na ung mga invinsible tapos balik ulit after ng mga ilang oras na ma up ung server.
2753  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: November 24, 2021, 01:35:47 PM
I read some articles that DeRozan is already ranked at number 3.

The ranking was

1. Curry,
2. Durant
3. DeRozan

What do you think about this, is it reliable based on the stats of DeRozan and the impact on the team?
I like to get your thoughts on this as I would try to put a bet on DeRozan to win.
You happen to bookmarked the article? I think there are explanations regarding how the writer manage to rank him in the third. I wonder how DeRozan ended on that mark though since I can't see his name from this stats on https://www.nba.com/stats/players/. I guess if it's on the impact of the game to his team, I partly agree on that. What do you mean to win? MVP race? I think there are still plenty of time for him to show it off.

The article below dated November 19, 2021 9:21 PM, shows the following ranking.

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-stephen-curry-rises-to-top-as-others-take-flight
1. Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors
2. Kevin Durant, Brooklyn Nets
3. Nikola Jokic, Denver Nuggets
4. DeMar DeRozan, Chicago Bulls

Maybe because Jokic has been out for few games, his spot was already taken by DeRozan, and I agree with the ranking.

No doubt with DeRozans numbers, he's improving and enjoying his new team. The same old numbers way back with the Raptors.

If only LeBron is not in the East back, then this guy might win the East title, a possible contender for being an MVP.

Still, a lot of time if he will continue performing and those stars above him got an injury, the chance is really good for him to take it away from

them. After next year, for sure we will see who's really edging and have the higher chance of winning the season MVP.
2754  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are NFTs overhyped? on: November 24, 2021, 12:28:44 PM
Yes, this can be considered too much hype, there are many items that are made into NFT products and sold at unreasonable prices.And now many big companies are starting to look at the NFT platform and enter into it. Maybe one day there will be a new trend that can shift NFT hype is like the rise of ICOs a few years ago.
Yes, I often find ordinary picture products but are sold at a high price and the price doesn't seem to match the picture,
even so NFT is used by many people to make a profit,
I hope so too and we'll see in the future

Taking your chances in investing with this kind of venue needs of having good anticipation and a big nerve,

chances of losing with the common hypes is unpredictable, there are many NFT projects that shows a very huge value, investors are willing

to buy, in hope that lick will come and bring them huge amount of profits.

Always going to depend from how you understand the market and how you will take care of your investment.
2755  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Reymart Gaballo (WBC bantamweight) on: November 24, 2021, 11:54:48 AM
It's more on how a fighter will win, every fighter has a different appearance but the fans love a boxer that is consistently winning and a humble boxer as well. Maybe for a job outside boxing, like if you are going to be a promoter, your looks or appearance is very important, the more appealing you are the more chances you'll have more job outside boxing.

Well, not only the consistency on winning but the way a fighter wins, lots of fighters with an undefeated record but they are still criticized, one good example is Mayweather, he was criticized because he does not entertain the crowd, most of his fights, you will hear people chanting with boos on him.

Donaire is an exciting boxer that's why he is popular, but at the end of the day, it still depends on how fans would see it as we don't have the same opinion or taste of kind of excitement.

With those criticizations Mayweather collects lots of money. I mean, it's normal that fans will have different opinions about the type of fighter they love to

idolize, at the end of the day, the outcome will dictate whether fans get the satisfaction or they are just paying for nothing.

Donaire, when getting the momentum, he really impresses the fans, with his uppercut combo crowd getting wild when that attack takes place.

Excited to see if that will be the KO punch that they are all waiting.
2756  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: November 24, 2021, 10:57:16 AM
I read some news popped up on my social media account, and it says that Japeth Aguilar will stay with Ginebra despite the offers from B-League. I think every one is getting an offer, especially the big man in the PBA and we will likely hear more news that a new player had already signed with B-League.

Maybe our performance during the international competition made the Japanese realize how good our talents were.

If Christian will leave after this season, who might replace him as their center?

Good decision for Japeth, he knew that he no longer on his prime he will only bring shame to his career.  Grin

Kidding aside, he has a good relationship with Gin kings management so why bother to move away? His team gives him another chance for his career
it's better to end it up and retire using the banner.

We never know who among those stars will change up their minds and transfer to B-League. Only time will reveal that for us.
2757  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Be careful with the hype on: November 23, 2021, 02:31:32 PM
anything that just follows the hype won't last long and it's been proven. coins that rely solely on hype will be very detrimental because the price can drop far and cause huge losses and will continue to fall. that's why we need to increase our knowledge so we don't get stuck with hype coins that are currently circulating in the crypto market. be a smart crypto enthusiast who can choose good crypto to invest or trade so that we can get the profit from it too.

Increasing your knowledge or enhancing your knowledge into this business is the important thing you should do before doing anything.

We know from the past that hypes are always inside and there is much success and failed stories from different kind of people who followed those

projects, it's you alone that need to take good care of your investment. hypes might give you opportunities if you know what you are doing, experienced

traders also play with this kind of investment but they carefully plan what they needed to do before making their participation.
2758  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Lomachenko vs Commey - December 11 on: November 23, 2021, 02:04:11 PM
This is why I think it is going to be difficult to see that fight, I really do not think that Lopez is tying to avoid Lomachenko, we know that fighters say a lot of things to try to hype up the fight but as soon as it is over they give each other a hug and then they give praise to their opponent on the post-fight interviews.

However it seems to me the problems of Lopez and Lomachenko are real and this means Lopez will do everything he can to not give Lomachenko a chance at challenging him for his titles.

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

He needs to take care of Kambasos first, he should not underestimate his opponent now because Kambasos has not experienced a loss in his career yet. Most likely if Lopez will win, he will move up in weight as he does not want to give Loma a chance for a rematch, he already stated that in the past.


He commended Loma but he doesn't want to face him and the option he have is to move up to avoid the fight,

It's not new if ever since Alvarez also doing the same, he already move to upper weight and challenge new face fighter.

If Lopez will move up there's no way for them to bring the entertainment fans wanted to see, it's in the hands of Lopez and his camp to

whether to continue avoiding Loma or make other behind door meeting for additional take, money speak better than anything  Wink
2759  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: correction or start of a bear market? on: November 23, 2021, 01:32:29 PM
We can only follow market developments. The market is currently in a bad or red condition but we have to believe that the market correction that has occurred several times this year will recover. It could be true what is said that the end of this year will be decisive to enter next year. I am sure that next year the market especially for big coins like Bitcoin, Ethereum and BNB will be good.

We need to be optimistic if we do have good amount of investment, it's true that this past months the market still showing good bounce back

each time correction take place, as of this moment we are in a bad condition  we don't know if how long it will take, some say that it's just a short one while others are seeing this as good chance to buy and store.

Whatever you think or believe just stay optimistic everything will be fine Wink
2760  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: November 22, 2021, 10:04:55 PM

Everyone's emotion was invested in the event and that's why we all have opinions that aren't really wrong. Upon watching it and you'll see the blood shed over the face of Isaiah, you'll really think of it as negative and we can't blame anyone who thinks of having that opinion and as well as the opinion of the others that don't think he has to retire. At the end of this, it's all about discussion and opinion that we have towards the situation that has happened.

Opinions are entitled to everyone, we do have differences and we can't force someone to agree with us if they find other things that differ from what we have.

Whatever the case, at the end of it both players needs to shows their professionalism. That kind of incidence should not happen again.

It's no longer the time of the late 80's and 90's, it's a career now more than the pride players should act like pro.

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