In a way it's a massive attack on this forum. The forum should be much stricter. Spam should no longer be profitable, which means accounts should be banned long before they reach even a few posts.
You don't need to tell me that. It's only theymos who has the power to do something about it and he is either unwilling to or doesn't even care. It can't be acceptable for bots to get paid here. Not sure why he's seemingly ok with the wall to wall abuse or won't do anything about it, but we might as well just give up banning people for it. If the rules aren't enforced adequately or bots even looked into by an admin then it's pointless because you can't win a war against someone who can create unlimited accounts. Losing a few of your hundreds of accounts to bans will just become an occupational hazard and it doesn't matter when there are campaigns that will pay you as a Junior to do this. The 'haiki/doge' bots are even getting paid now:  This needs to change. |
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Hey all mods,
Thank you so much for mantaining this forum and keeping safe from spam.
But before you ban some one you should warn user once so that user can rectify mistakes but if that user does next time then ban is
Staff shouldn't have to give out warnings for some things, but what makes you so sure they'd listen or understand the warning in the first place? People often copy and paste here because they can't speak or understand English very well if at all. People also even get temp bans and come back and do the exact same thing they were banned for. Some people just never learn or take the warnings. Besides, I have actually written a welcome message that will hopefully be put into place soon* that will be shown upon sign up alerting users of the rules and warning what will get you permanently banned. If they don't listen to that warning then there will be no excuses. *hopefully within the next decade |
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Yeah, it's spam, but he is just a typical bitcointalk poster these days. Most users just quickly write a generic one/two liner then move on to the next thread. Rinse and repeat. Do this over however many accounts you have = much profit. They're obviously not here for a discussion or to contribute; they are just here to earn and time is money. Why write any more than a sentence or two when that's all you need to do to get paid? Anything more or extra is just costing them both time and money. Just look at his post history. Not a single post within the last hundred that is more than two sentences. Compare his posts to mine. Anyone who is here just to earn will look like his. Anyone who actually contributes something will look like mine. Nothing wrong with one liners or getting paid to post but when your entire history is them it's blatant that he is only making them to get paid. Remove signatures and he would likely leave the very same day never to return. That's for the signature campaign manager to decide. If he/she found disobeying the rules that's been set then it's decided.
Well the issue here is that most campaign managers do absolutely nothing and hence why the forum is full of shitposters or at best one two liner 'hit and runners' like this guy. I call them that because they hit up a thread, make a post, then disappear often never to return or reply to anyone who may have quoted them. That's too much effort. Hit and run over and over. |
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I think banning for text spinning can set a very dangerous precedent, its not plagiarism and some innocent posts may be flagged false, just my opinion. How do you even know about text spinning? Do they teach that in spammer school, or are there Youtube instructions on how to earn money by abusing this forum? I first saw text spinning when I reported plagiarism on this forum, but some how all spammers know about it. I now wonder if hundreds or thousands of different people use text spinning on this forum, or that it's just one or a few guys running thousands of spam accounts. I wouldn't mind seeing all participants in the PRiVCY spam campaign banned too, the post quality is as bad as DeepOnion was. It's honestly hard to tell whether people's English is just so bad or they're either just using google translate or text spinners to avoid detection. I think there's a lot of people that are being told by some that they can earn here and advised on how to get around the fact that they can't speak English very well by either copying someone else's post or just jumbling up. It's become far too prevalent for them all to just be using their own initiative to do this. |
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Can we gather here also suggestions which does not required theymos to do anything, ~
If they don't require his input then they can easily be implemented and those things can be discussed or done elsewhere. Isn't this one that can be started without further effort from theymos:
• Enforce the sig campaign guidelines. If a campaign is spotted that is doing little to nothing and is abused en mass by spammers, farmers, bots and copy and pasters they are warned. If nothing changes then they are punished with such things as bans, threads trashed, signatures blacklisted site-wide etc.
OK in principle, would require thought/adjustment/implementation. Many of these things are more complex than they look at first glance. I know you've suggested it before, and wrote the signature guidelines almost 2 years ago. Now that theymos says it's "OK in principle", can't you start banning them? He didn't say yes either: "OK in principle, would require thought/adjustment/implementation. Many of these things are more complex than they look at first glance". It wouldn't work without his input anyway so it's pointless without blacklisting their signatures. You can ban their accounts and trash their threads all you like but people will still continue to advertise for them and the banned campaigns will just run and organise them off site or through telegram etc. Many campaigns are already making joining telegram channels a requirement so they will just rally the troops there or on their website. We could get something going to police problem campaigns if you wanted to take things into your own hands. I've suggested before that the community starts some sort of 'campaign police' and starts leaving negative feedback for the utter crap campaigns that are doing absolutely nothing about spam and quality control and as such are being colossally abused by farmers/spammers/bots in the process. If something like five or ten users are caught copy and pasting then that campaign then gets negbomed by everyone until they show that they've made changes and removed all the spammers and bots etc. Feedback can then be removed. It won't stop them from running them but at least they'll know their behaviour is unacceptable by community standards and negative feedback doesn't look good when you're trying to raise money. It's certainly not ideal but neither is letting them get away with whatever they like and destroying the forum in the process. I would much rather theymos just put measures in place to stop or curb this behaviour such as sig blacklists and removing signatures from Juniors and/or requiring them to earn a merit before they can have a signature which would all work wonders. |
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Anyone who respond to an accusation that the accuser is an alt of someone else is deflecting.
Not at all, but you have a knack for twisting logic to suit your agenda. This kind of a response should set off a red flag. What sort of alarms should using alts to do your dirty work set off? Anyone who uses alts because they don't have the balls to say it from their own account is a coward. As such, I am not quite sure how you are coming to the conclusion that BadBear thinks I have a lot of accounts....
How could he possibly know how many accounts you truly have altogether? Admins have limited powers to spot alts, and all it would take is someone not being stupid enough to connect them together via IPs for that account to have no connection to the others. Anyone with half a brain cell could have a secret alt here completely separate from all their "known" ones just as long as they didn't use the same connection they used for their others. |
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Couple more here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2230468 goldencrypto7100 June 23, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2234074 btcmaster999 June 24, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2229377 jackpot888 June 22, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2236361 painkiller321 June 25, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2234592 bitcoindiary June 24, 2018, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2236417 cryptocoinshunter007 June 25, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2230468 goldencrypto7100 June 23, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300409 JamesWood1212 July 23, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2240180 davehopepe05 June 27, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2236457 BitCoinDream247 June 25, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2276061 Bitchef2112 July 12, 2018,
I would suggest disallowing temporary/disposable email id's being used for registration. They enjoy the thing that they don't have to fill the forms, don't have to do mobile verification, and don't have to do captcha verification. Plus they don't have any account registration limit but I guess Gmail and other emails might have (not quite sure of).
There are many account farmers and account buyers/sellers who use disposable email ids.
I've made that suggestion in the community suggestion thread, and think theymos put it in the maybe camp. It wouldn't stop them completely but it's certainly another hoop to jump through and will stop a fair few from getting through. |
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Forgot about this user but I remember him from his thread below suggesting "improvements" to the merit system a while back: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3219526.0There's several alts posting there. I'm also sure they gave merit to each other in some capacity. Evidence tying them together is here: Proof of authentication post Joined Twitter and Facebook campaign #Bitcointalk username: Romeo_must_die #Telegram username: @nur_lela12 #Twitter Campaign Twitter username: @Cindy_Arum05 Profile: https://twitter.com/Cindy_Arum05Followers: 1522 #Facebook Campaign Facebook username: Crypto Ind Profile: https://www.facebook.com/CryptoIniFriends+followers : 5332 ad_playing from that thread is also almost certainly an alt of op and if I remember correctly had sent him merit. Doers anyone have the merit archives for them? |
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i apologize very much for all these mistakes and promise you not to repeat that . i have a lot of translation campaings i joined and i have been very tired to get it and complete them perfectly .. i do not want to go all it in vain
you may consider this is the last time i will do something similler to these mistakes
please open my account and allow me to presrve my work and participate again in a best manner like u want
If you're tired then you shouldn't take on work you clearly can't handle or don't have time for. This is pure greed and your laziness and greed has now cost you dearly. Copying someone else's post and then jumbling it up is probably the worst sin you can commit here. You knew what you were doing and that it was wrong and not acceptable and even worse is that you went to the trouble of trying to hide your abuse. You type of people are why this forum is a sinking ship unfit for purpose. Your account won't be unbanned. |
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Well you, an account farmer, would say this. How many accounts are you farming? How many of your accounts have you had banned now? Which ones of these are yours that I've noticed posting in the exact same threads as you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2247852 Zayn_Nazy June 30, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280178 Willie_Linder July 14, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2279012 katherin_panini July 13, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271482 Michael_Cox July 10, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280138 James_Cline July 14, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2272791 Sherwood_Archer July 11, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271537 Aidan_Davis July 10, 2018Besides, you stop it the same way we don't allow users to sell weapons or post ref links here. If they list an account for sale it gets removed or they get banned. As ThePharmacist said, it's not rocket science. I literally have no idea what you're talking about. I only recognize seeing a couple of these accounts on the forum. Don't suppose you know who these accounts belong to either? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271547 Luis_Gray July 10, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274820 randall_boss July 12, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2273291 Merritt_Baldric July 11, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274323 Jared_Burns July 12, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2277232 Charles_Summers July 12, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280233 Kimberley_Isham July 14, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271603 Isaac_Ramirez July 10, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271544 Brian_Wood July 10, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271623 Owen_Smith July 10, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274435b Stuart_Shook July 12, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2273233 Dawson_V July 11, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274369 Nathan_Weymouth July 12, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271455 Luke_Turner July 10, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280233 Kimberley_Isham July 14, 2018, Posting in the same threads as you in a similar format. I'm sure there's many more I could find if I was prepared to spend any longer looking. So yeah, I think we should do something about account sales/farming. Plenty of options to curb this sort of behaviour and the forum is better of for it. As long as people can get paid on campaigns and account ranks have value then this sort of stuff will only get worse the longer we leave it. By the way, what actually is your purpose for farming all those? Claim bounties? Sig spam? Sell them? Why can't you just make those posts from one account? Would be a lot less hassle and good luck trying to get merit for all those. you might actually achieve it eventually with just the one though. |
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A couple of suggestions I've already made in the past and haven't been considered yet: - Show the default trust on the Marketplace for unregistered users. A lot of guests get scammed by users who are already tagged as scammers [link]
- Implement rules to reduce trust spam. For example any user should be able to leave only one 300-char feedback per week on any other's profile. [link]
I've actually suggested similar things like these before. People shouldn't be allowed to spam the trust needlessly. Some do it because they actually think it makes a difference and turns their score bright red the more they do, though this probably isn't huge issue. - Implement rules to reduce trust spam. For example any user should be able to leave only one 300-char feedback per week on any other's profile. [link]
One can still trust spam by creating new accounts. Although I think trust spam will be reduced to certain degree but still wouldn't be completely eliminated. Will vote for this as well [+1] True, they could, but you'd have to be pretty determined to do this. Most probably won't go to those lengths. I would like to suggest adding a message like we have when we visit any thread in Investor based games to be displayed in every board where there are stickies to read the stickies of that board carefully. What we have in Investor-based games: Warning: You are in the Gambling section. You are likely to eventually lose any money that you gamble/"invest". Additionally, moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Do not gamble more than you can afford to lose.
And what I suggest.For example: In goods section, (Please read all stickies of this board: (Boards link) carefully before participating in thread discussion or buying/selling goods and services)
I hope I was able to deliver my idea properly. Apologies in advance if have been already suggested earlier. Those are pretty much what I've already suggested. See the bit at the bottom in red. |
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I'm so tired of this shit.
Yeah. Same. It's a losing battle really and certainly a waste of time. We can't win a war against these bots and farmers and it's just the tip of the shitberg really. There are users farming hundreds of accounts with or without bots. I dare say there will be certain individuals with thousands but they won't ever be looked into and can even earn big money by copy and pasting on campaigns. The forum is going to be destroyed by these shitbergs and the lack of action from the admins doing anything about it. As cyrus once told me "If you can't beat them them then join them". I'm starting to think we should all maybe take his advice because if that's the sort of logic admins are using then we're doomed. Using the search members feature and search "Crypto" as the username you will find some others too (about page 25). All registered around the same date (in June) all have "crypto" in their username, and some participating in the same airdrop. There is also a bunch of similar accounts with the same pattern but not yet used.
Some are proxy banned that I found. There will be some false positives in there as well as though as many users will put 'crypto' in their username or whatever, but when they follow other patterns as well such as posting habits etc then it becomes less likely. |
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It is extremely funny to see. Basically every single thread in this forum is the same.
Somebody makes a post, and with 2-3 comments all comments clearly show that the poster have not read (or understood) a single word of what the OP wrote..... Instead comments merely become desperate attempts to talk each other into hope that Bitcoin will rise again.
freightjoe is actually misguided, but I know why. People don't understand the thread because they're mostly sig spammers/farmers who don't know much about bitcoin other than it rises and falls (and they're hoping it rises obviously) nor do they usually actually even read the content of the op but often just title and just churn out their one/two liners as fast as possible. freightjoe is also probably NLC. A serial ban evader for botting the forum with fud and porn bots. Check his post history. All his posts are just slagging bitcoin off. Pure 100% fud troll either way. |
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I am even fearing theymos and Cyrus are somehow filtering my messages,
I doubt it. I'm not sure there's a way to block your messages without you knowing so (if they blocked you it would say as such). They're either just purposely not opening anything they see to do with account recoveries or are just ignoring them and not looking into verifying them at all. Messages can also get buried very fast due to multiple users messaging moderators and as admins they probably receive the most mail of all staff, but they can't all be getting buried because I haven't seen an account publicly restored in many many months nor do other people seem to be getting a response at all about it. theymos has stated he doesn't have time to look into them because he's busy coding the forum but I haven't heard a response from Cyrus. He also either doesn't have the time or just can't be bothered. Unless more admins are added or theymos codes the automatic recovery tool and implements that then I can't see accounts getting recovered anytime soon, sadly. |
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You are pushing them to cheat if you do that. We as a jr. member are having hard time how we are going to level up our reputations here through merit system. If that rule you want will be implemented, I won't wonder if most of the members here will cheat through buying merits, high rank will abuse too by selling too expensive merits.
We are not 'pushing' anyone to do anything. Besides, if this is the case then why would you not do this anyway to buy your way through Member-Hero ranks or just even buy an account? There isn't any logic to what you're saying and you're completely biased in that you're worried this is going to push your further behind in trying to reach a decent rank to earn more. I don't even care if these idiots did try buy merit whether successfully or not. That is still a huge hoop to jump through and it requires time, initiative and money. They're not going to be able to afford to buy x amount of merit for their 3/6/12/200/2000 alt accounts anyway and that's why there needs to be a merit requirement to become a Junior because anyone can create an unlimited amount of accounts here for free. It doesn't matter if they never make it past Junior either because when you've got dozens or hundreds or even thousands of accounts copy and pasting other's responses and getting paid for it by ICOs as a Junior you don't need a higher rank and it's big business for doing nothing. Pure passive income that destroys the forum in the process. This needs to change and removing signatures or requiring merit is one of the only ways we'll stop this abuse. Besides, you already got three merit so why are you complaining? Is it that maybe you're going to struggle to get the same on all your other accounts? Did you buy the merit or did you earn it legitimately? Either your argument/logic is wrong or you did actually just buy it and that's what you're annoyed about. You would already be a Junior under this proposal so I don't understand why you're against it unless there's something else going on here. Unsurprising you've received two merit from one user and sent him one back. I'm sure that's a simple merit trade. Sometimes being so strict and dominant is not good. How is requiring at least one merit strict? This forum is such a shitshow because it's so lax in policing users or enforcing rules. It's the opposite of strict. Users and even campaign managers can largely do whatever they want here and as such you get users farming their accounts in their hundreds just by writing a generic crap sentence that nobody cares to read and ICOs who will happily pay them for it. Instead of that why don't you advocate them how to write a new topic that can makes other give them a merit. How do you do that exactly? We're not here to teach children what to do and most won't be able to do it to a competent level anyway. Most people who come here these days are silly, naive kids who can't speak much English and don't know anything about bitcoin and have only come here to earn. This would be like trying to teach physics in Mandarin to English teenagers who couldn't care less about physics or Mandarin. No chance. I believe there is also a moderator for spamming so my opinion is when caught by spamming ban them permanently so others won't follow them. Oh great, let the moderators handle everything. Signature spam isn't the job of the staff here, but users do get banned, but tell me what is the point in banning one or a dozen alt accounts when the very same user has hundreds of even thousands more in their stockpile that they carry on doing the same with that we don't know about? It's utterly pointless and you need to tackle the issue at the source. It's the campaign managers job to police campaigns and they aren't doing their job at all and so they need to be forced to do it and one of those ways is to force them not to be able to accept Junior Members. How do we do that? Remove Juniors signatures or at the very least require a merit to become one. If you can't get a merit whether you earn it or buy it then you shouldn't be able to earn on that account. This is a very simple solution to a complex problem. |
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4894509.0Saw all these users posting one after the other in the above thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2236096 cryptoshops9944 June 25, 2018, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2228565 cryptoking252 June 22, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2226072 cryptolovers990 June 21, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2247773 cryptoking963 June 30, 2018 Blatant alts. There's probably more in that thread as well. These two also possibly belong to them: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2225665 Crystal24 June 21, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2258787 HDContent751 July 04, 2018 Somebody should probably look into these as I'm sure it's just the tip of the shitberg. I really wish the member search still showed users by sign up date as these sorts of farmers would stand out like a sore thumb. Who knows how many other accounts they're farming. Edit: So there's some major shenanigans going on here. So I decided to look into these a little more. Clicked on cryptoking963 and opened up the first thread he posted in: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4899821.msg44125700#msg44125700Noticed these straight away: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2245688 pimondcrypto June 29, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2245573 cryptocamacho4785 June 29, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2236479 coinpedia240 June 25, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2248233 bitcoindigger71 June 30, 2018, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2248392 Luckycoins999 June 30, 2018 Clicked on the next thread down he posted in: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4879021.msg44423264#msg44423264https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2224787 bitcoinhunter888 June 20, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2248242 AutisticKid007 June 30, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252583 bitfocus741 July 02, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252483 electrobit8024 July 02, 2018, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2250283 blackmagic111 July 01, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2229161 butterfly8226 June 22, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2234404 redrose8226 June 24, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2231249 sidneycrypto6 June 23, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2248398 steve_rogers321 June 30, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2244095 CryptoBry714 June 28, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2248371 BlackandRed654 June 30, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2236397 bitcoinminer566 June 25, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2227200 btchunter786 June 21, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2234074 btcmaster999 June 24, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2234582 SoliDCoiNs777 June 24, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2226072 cryptolovers990 June 21, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2249799 cryptoVinc5599 July 01, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252590 CoinOnTheBeach321 July 02, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2226411 dreammoney710 June 21, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252483 electrobit8024 July 02, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252285 BitcoinMaster555 July 02, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2251760 biochem123 July 02, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2258696 MaxApple147 July 04, 2018, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2259233 TetraSquad50 July 05, 2018 currently permabanned https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2259246 HitMarshall67 July 05, 2018 currently permabanned https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2264487 OffGrid54 July 07, 2018 currently permabanned https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2264497 InfiniteBlock560 July 07, 2018 currently permabanned https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2264600 SmartMetro54 July 07, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2264610 MightyTulip32 July 07, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2247262 Dreamace7 June 30, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2093497 Mishgan27 May 07, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252434 Hurs1965 July 02, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2110614 MetaPhorse007 May 12, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2111369 TupMan007 May 13, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2111397 BarnabyETH May 13, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2119427 LedrookETH May 14, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2115114 Vengeance007 May 13, 2018 Third thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252497 learningcrypto5421 July 02, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2228846 blacknight789 June 22, 2018, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2224765 cryptofun888 June 20, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2236314 blackrain321 June 25, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2258754 EffectiveScorpio657 July 04, 2018 currently permabanned There will be some false positives in there, but there's also a lot of blatant alts and farming by either one or two/few individuals. Far too many patterns can be spotted. Posting in the same threads one after the other or within a very short time of each other, registered days apart and all similar formatted usernames (name then number with many having 'crypto' in there). Those are just the ones I found looking in the last three threads cryptoking963 posted in. This likely goes much deeper. Also came across these ones posting back to back which probably aren't related to the above but are clearly alts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2101899 JohnHendry May 10, 2018, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2142343 JohnLowry May 21, 2018 (currently permabanned) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2142416 DavidSalomon May 21, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2142567 BennieMartin May 21, 2018
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People say it usually takes 6 months to a year, just hang in there. It will be recovered soon hopefully.
No. It's somewhere between months to never. Realerre and everyone else are unfortunately just wasting their time right now. Why am I wasting my time? I have not the intention to give up. Because you are wasting your time until things change around here. I'm just being honest. I didn't say you should give up but if the admins aren't restoring accounts at all right now (which they aren't) then that's like you screaming away to yourself in a locked room where nobody can hear you. It's very sad, I just hoped that some "big" moderator, like you, could help me to get in contact with admins... I was even tempted to send you a PM asking for that because you were very nice at the start of this thread, why are you now suggesting to surrender? I'm powerless here. I've messaged them multiple times about your case and many others:  Either two things happen when I message them about these cases. I get no response at all or cyrus will say something along the lines of "I think I looked into this but something didn't add up" which I'm almost certain is his go-to excuse for not looking into it. I mean, that certainly sounds better than "I couldn't be bothered investigating it". I think my case don't need any "investigation" at all. Maybe it does or maybe it doesn't but I doubt it was even looked into. Most cases are likely open and shut or require minimal investigation but they're seemingly not done at all. Good luck on getting your account back and all, but unless they suddenly start looking into all the cases or theymos finally implements the automatic system for recovering them then realistically it's just not going to happen anytime soon. I'm just being realistic. I think that my account should be locked, but it's still not pleasant at all.
Thank you everybody for your support, and again....UP!!!
It is locked. Can you still log into it? I'm guessing not though since it was hacked. |
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While the suggestions are good, i must highlight the suggestion number 3. As i say, the suggestion is good but i think it will encourage more merit farming and abusing, no? Even the manager of the campaign can give the participants a merit if it means that the manager will run his/her job successfully without a quality control. What must be added to your suggestion is the managers need to make sure they are not hiring a spammer, but the works take a lot of time and not many managers want to do that and some doesnt even care because they think spamming/bad advertising is still an advertizing, it spreads.
It requires tremendous work from mods to force bounty manager to do or not to do something . Also i dont think that scenario of bounty manager giving out merit to spammers is realistic, they dont want to get their reputation demaged. It's not as much work as running around after them trying to clean up the spammers and bots they are paying to crap all over the forum. The problem needs to be tackled at the source. If you're paying kids to graffiti on walls all over a city then it's pointless just wasting time and energy running around on wild goose chases arresting the kids day after day as it will solve nothing. There are always hundreds of kids you can keep paying and they are willing to do your dirty work. Spend time catching the bad guys behind it all in the first place. Punishing them wouldn't be that difficult either. If they come here and do nothing about spam and pay bots to copy and paste then their threads are trashed, accounts banned and signatures blacklisted. If they can no longer advertise here then they're screwed. Once they start to realise that doing nothing is unacceptable the culture around here will change very fast and campaigns will do what they're supposed to. I think that the solution would be to disable Jr. Member signature for everyone who has less than 1 merit, it would help tremendously.
And no, i dont think that merit abusers would easily bypass this rule because almost all of free merit was spent in the first months after merit system was introduced. This is a given. I hope theymos elaborates on why he put it in the No. Or not yet. Or the idea would need to be significantly modified camp. It's a quick and simple fix for numerous things. |
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I also have a small suggestion what could be improved in the forum. When a post is deleted in a self-moderated topic, you get a message, but in the message are no information about the thread in which the post was deleted. It would be good to know from which thread the message was deleted. A link to it would be great, from which thread the message was deleted. Otherwise you never know from which thread what was deleted and especially with old post, it's hard to know which post it was.  Yeah, the context of the post is important. I've had them before and it was hard to tell where it was deleted from and many users report the deleted message notification asking why it was deleted etc. Sometimes the post can seem perfectly valid but if the post was off topic or in a thread necrobumped then that's often why they're removed but without knowing where it came from you can't be sure nor can you give a concrete explanation as to why it was deleted. @hilariousetc
Can we gather here also suggestions which does not required theymos to do anything, like gather a group of DTs to monitor the Bounty Managers, as you proposed earlier, this will be one way to go. Finding solutions without changing the policy of the forum.
Maybe we should focus on this direction since no major changes can be expected in the near future.
If they don't require his input then they can easily be implemented and those things can be discussed or done elsewhere. |
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Theymos put that in his 'maybe' camp. I doubt it will be implemented on this forum but maybe on the new one.
The new forum software coming in 2061? I got the impression from that post that most of the things in the OK list were very unlikely to happen within a year or so. Yep that one. At least he's working on it and it will be here eventually. My pessimism aside the rest of your post I would agree with. The best way to stop bots is to remove the financial incentive that brings them here. Some say pessimism others say realism. Things just don't really get implemented around here, even simple/quick fixes. I'm hoping theymos will actually elaborate on his latest comment a bit more. It probably would take a few minutes to assign some more mods and/or admins here. Same with creating certain sub boards. From theymos' list the following were in the 'no' camp: Require at least one merit to become a Junior Member
Remove signatures completely from everyone (or everyone only has a basic signature) and to get one you either need a very high amount of activity & merit or:
B) Buy them via new donator ranks (theymos did initially comment: "This may be a good idea. Though I do think that people who don't pay should be able to get a small signature." [though Newbie signatures have been removed completely since this comment was made]).
Well it was actually the No. Or not yet. Or the idea would need to be significantly modified camp so I have a glimmer of hope that some of them may be implemented eventually, but I'm not optimistic. The Junior merit requirement and/or removing their signature seems essential to me and I can't understand why he is against it. It solves so many issues and isn't restrictive at all. Many staff and other members seems to back it as well so hopefully he will clarify the reasons why soon. |
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