It's probably just shown to those who actually create a league there.


I'll try email them about it but I don't get why you care so much about this. Especially to the point that you're willing to sacrifice your own privacy and hand over your personal information and debit card to them. Nobody can see your scores until they're unable to change theirs. The only way this could be abused is if there was some collusion between a couple of users where one puts their scores in and shows the results to others. If people are so concerned about that (which probably won't happen anyway) then either put some fake scores in at first or none at all and just make sure to put your correct ones in before kick off.

Got two correct scores today. Would have had three had it not been for the late goal from Arsenal. I was going to ask if Sojourner was purposely making shit picks as some sort of self-sabotage, but he actually was the only one to get the City score correct today haha.

For those that were complaining about the 'privacy' issues, superbru does have a paid option to remove the feature to be able to see users picks for only £3:



But they don't seem to offer any other payment option other than debit cards:




And there's no where to put the name in so I'm assuming it uses the one you signed up with and since mine is Mr Hilarious Andco that's probably out of the question. It's a non-issue to me though because you can only see others results once you've locked yours in. For those that are worried about any possible shenanigans or collusion you should probably just put them in at the last minute. If somebody wants to create a pool for the Champions league and pay for the premium feature I have no issue in that.

Most bitcoin-paying campaigns are limited to higher ranks, but ICO campaigns don't care and will accept almost anyone and often any Juniors that will sign up. The more users the better for them. Moire spam = more adverts of their ICO. In fact, they seem to thrive on exploiting lower ranks because they're often the only users they can get and the only campaigns those users can get on are ICO ones. Because of the limited payment this just leads them to create dozens of Juniors to maximise profits. The more accounts you have the more spam you make and the worse quality your posts become. This is why in my opinion it is essential to implement a merit requirement for Juniors. Without one ICOs will continue to pay farmers, bots and spammers to post whatever drivel they can be bothered to make. This really needs to change.

Jesus Christ. I've been saying it's not going to be long before the only people posting here are shitposting families and their half a dozen alt accounts, but I can't believe that they actually took a picture of their operation. I never thought I'd see this. I think you're wrong about their excuses though. What I think likely actually happens in the vast majority of cases is that there will be one 'ring-leader,' 'boss' or family member etc that is the main person behind recruiting people to the group. He will tell his friends, family, co-workers, schoolmates that they can earn good money just by posting on a forum. These newbies obviously don't know how to work a bitcoin wallet nor care to learn so the ringleader of the spammer group will be in charge of all the wallets for the accounts. He obviously then has a lot of different addresses with money in so he will send them all to one address and then to the exchange or something like that. He will take his cut minus fees then pay them in their local cash. The sad thing is that picture will likely just be a small operation here. I'm sure there are farms or sweatshops with double/treble the amount in that picture. I don't think it's crazy to imagine that there will be entire offices set up like this in the near future if they haven't already. I mean, one guy even claimed that his entire office's accounts were banned (though that was like just a one man job and the bullshit excuse he came out with). As long as you can continue to get paid here for doing nothing but churning out a sentence or two then this is only going to get worse. Shit can't continue.

You don't even need to rank up either as you can get paid as a Junior which requires no merit just 30 activity which a bot or spammer can achieve in under a month with any sort of spam. This is leading people to farm multiple accounts each and in some cases they're in the hundreds. The longer we allow this to happen the worse it becomes and people are even botting campaigns now with their legions of Junior accounts. Campaigns don't care because it's still advertisement for them. Doesn't matter if you ban half of their accounts because they have the rest still collecting payment. Juniors should have their signatures removed or at the very least they should need to gain at least one merit to become one. That would help tremendously. Crap campaigns who continue to pay spammers also need to face repercussions. 

You, I and mostly everyone else seems to agree that this would be a good idea. Sadly theymos doesn't and he's the guy in charge that needs convincing to make these changes. I really hope he gives his reasons as to why he doesn't think it's a good idea because it's essential in my opinion and we're at a point now where you can make good money just by botting hundreds of Junior accounts. This can't be acceptable and needs to change because we can't win a war against bots especially when people are getting paid for them.  

The forum has become unfit for purpose a long time ago and it is now just a place for people to churn out their generic one/two liners for payment. People aren't interested in reading others comments or having a discussion. They just squeeze out a post as fast as they can then move on because time is money and it doesn't matter whether you spend one minute on a post or thirty minutes, but obviously time is money so the quicker the better. Those signature guidelines unfortunately aren't being enforced either and there's nothing anyone can do about it until theymos makes changes to what is and isn't acceptable here and that needs to start with punishing signature campaigns as they're the ones that are causing the mess in the first place. As long as campaigns keep paying people for making poor quality posts then it is only going to get worse very fast because more and more people sign up here just to earn by spamming and they do so in their droves and often with dozens of accounts.

You don't need to tell me that. It's only theymos who has the power to do something about it and he is either unwilling to or doesn't even care. It can't be acceptable for bots to get paid here. Not sure why he's seemingly ok with the wall to wall abuse or won't do anything about it, but we might as well just give up banning people for it. If the rules aren't enforced adequately or bots even looked into by an admin then it's pointless because you can't win a war against someone who can create unlimited accounts. Losing a few of your hundreds of accounts to bans will just become an occupational hazard and it doesn't matter when there are campaigns that will pay you as a Junior to do this. The 'haiki/doge' bots are even getting paid now:

 

This needs to change.

Staff shouldn't have to give out warnings for some things, but what makes you so sure they'd listen or understand the warning in the first place? People often copy and paste here because they can't speak or understand English very well if at all. People also even get temp bans  and come back and do the exact same thing they were banned for. Some people just never learn or take the warnings. Besides, I have actually written a welcome message that will hopefully be put into place soon* that will be shown upon sign up alerting users of the rules and warning what will get you permanently banned. If they don't listen to that warning then there will be no excuses.

*hopefully within the next decade

Yeah, it's spam, but he is just a typical bitcointalk poster these days. Most users just quickly write a generic one/two liner then move on to the next thread. Rinse and repeat. Do this over however many accounts you have = much profit. They're obviously not here for a discussion or to contribute; they are just here to earn and time is money. Why write any more than a sentence or two when that's all you need to do to get paid? Anything more or extra is just costing them both time and money. Just look at his post history. Not a single post within the last hundred that is more than two sentences. Compare his posts to mine. Anyone who is here just to earn will look like his. Anyone who actually contributes something will look like mine. Nothing wrong with one liners or getting paid to post but when your entire history is them it's blatant that he is only making them to get paid. Remove signatures and he would likely leave the very same day never to return.


Well the issue here is that most campaign managers do absolutely nothing and hence why the forum is full of shitposters or at best one two liner 'hit and runners' like this guy. I call them that because they hit up a thread, make a post, then disappear often never to return or reply to anyone who may have quoted them. That's too much effort. Hit and run over and over.

It's honestly hard to tell whether people's English is just so bad or they're either just using google translate or text spinners to avoid detection. I think there's a lot of people that are being told by some that they can earn here and advised on how to get around the fact that they can't speak English very well by either copying someone else's post or just jumbling up. It's become far too prevalent for them all to just be using their own initiative to do this. 

He didn't say yes either: "OK in principle, would require thought/adjustment/implementation. Many of these things are more complex than they look at first glance". It wouldn't work without his input anyway so it's pointless without blacklisting their signatures. You can ban their accounts and trash their threads all you like but people will still continue to advertise for them and the banned campaigns will just run and organise them off site or through telegram etc. Many campaigns are already making joining telegram channels a requirement so they will just rally the troops there or on their website. We could get something going to police problem campaigns if you wanted to take things into your own hands. I've suggested before that the community starts some sort of 'campaign police' and starts leaving negative feedback for the utter crap campaigns that are doing absolutely nothing about spam and quality control and as such are being colossally abused by farmers/spammers/bots in the process. If something like five or ten users are caught copy and pasting then that campaign then gets negbomed by everyone until they show that they've made changes and removed all the spammers and bots etc. Feedback can then be removed. It won't stop them from running them but at least they'll know their behaviour is unacceptable by community standards and negative feedback doesn't look good when you're trying to raise money. It's certainly not ideal but neither is letting them get away with whatever they like and destroying the forum in the process. I would much rather theymos just put measures in place to stop or curb this behaviour such as sig blacklists and removing signatures from Juniors and/or requiring them to earn a merit before they can have a signature which would all work wonders.

Not at all, but you have a knack for twisting logic to suit your agenda.


What sort of alarms should using alts to do your dirty work set off? Anyone who uses alts because they don't have the balls to say it from their own account is a coward.


How could he possibly know how many accounts you truly have altogether? Admins have limited powers to spot alts, and all it would take is someone not being stupid enough to connect them together via IPs for that account to have no connection to the others. Anyone with half a brain cell could have a secret alt here completely separate from all their "known" ones just as long as they didn't use the same connection they used for their others.

Couple more here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2230468 goldencrypto7100 June 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2234074 btcmaster999 June 24, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2229377 jackpot888 June 22, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2236361 painkiller321 June 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2234592 bitcoindiary June 24, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2236417 cryptocoinshunter007 June 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2230468 goldencrypto7100 June 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300409 JamesWood1212 July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2240180 davehopepe05 June 27, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2236457 BitCoinDream247 June 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2276061 Bitchef2112 July 12, 2018,


I've made that suggestion in the community suggestion thread, and think theymos put it in the maybe camp. It wouldn't stop them completely but it's certainly another hoop to jump through and will stop a fair few from getting through.

Forgot about this user but I remember him from his thread below suggesting "improvements" to the merit system a while back:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3219526.0

There's several alts posting there. I'm also sure they gave merit to each other in some capacity. Evidence tying them together is here:







ad_playing from that thread is also almost certainly an alt of op and if I remember correctly had sent him merit.




Doers anyone have the merit archives for them?

If you're tired then you shouldn't take on work you clearly can't handle or don't have time for. This is pure greed and your laziness and greed has now cost you dearly. Copying someone else's post and then jumbling it up is probably the worst sin you can commit here. You knew what you were doing and that it was wrong and not acceptable and even worse is that you went to the trouble of trying to hide your abuse. You type of people are why this forum is a sinking ship unfit for purpose. Your account won't be unbanned.

Don't suppose you know who these accounts belong to either?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271547     Luis_Gray July 10, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274820     randall_boss     July 12, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2273291     Merritt_Baldric     July 11, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274323         Jared_Burns July 12, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2277232     Charles_Summers     July 12, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280233     Kimberley_Isham July 14, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271603         Isaac_Ramirez     July 10, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271544     Brian_Wood     July 10, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271623     Owen_Smith     July 10, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274435b     Stuart_Shook     July 12, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2273233 Dawson_V     July 11, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274369 Nathan_Weymouth     July 12, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2271455     Luke_Turner     July 10, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280233     Kimberley_Isham     July 14, 2018,


Posting in the same threads as you in a similar format. I'm sure there's many more I could find if I was prepared to spend any longer looking.

So yeah, I think we should do something about account sales/farming. Plenty of options to curb this sort of behaviour and the forum is better of for it. As long as people can get paid on campaigns and account ranks have value then this sort of stuff will only get worse the longer we leave it.

By the way, what actually is your purpose for farming all those? Claim bounties? Sig spam? Sell them? Why can't you just make those posts from one account? Would be a lot less hassle and good luck trying to get merit for all those. you might actually achieve it eventually with just the one though.

I've actually suggested similar things like these before. People shouldn't be allowed to spam the trust needlessly. Some do it because they actually think it makes a difference and turns their score bright red the more they do, though this probably isn't huge issue.


True, they could, but you'd have to be pretty determined to do this. Most probably won't go to those lengths.



Those are pretty much what I've already suggested. See the bit at the bottom in red.

Yeah. Same. It's a losing battle really and certainly a waste of time. We can't win a war against these bots and farmers and it's just the tip of the shitberg really. There are users farming hundreds of accounts with or without bots. I dare say there will be certain individuals with thousands but they won't ever be looked into and can even earn big money by copy and pasting on campaigns. The forum is going to be destroyed by these shitbergs and the lack of action from the admins doing anything about it. As cyrus once told me "If you can't beat them them then join them". I'm starting to think we should all maybe take his advice because if that's the sort of logic admins are using then we're doomed.


Some are proxy banned that I found. There will be some false positives in there as well as though as many users will put 'crypto' in their username or whatever, but when they follow other patterns as well such as posting habits etc then it becomes less likely.

freightjoe is actually misguided, but I know why. People don't understand the thread because they're mostly sig spammers/farmers who don't know much about bitcoin other than it rises and falls (and they're hoping it rises obviously) nor do they usually actually even read the content of the op but often just title and just churn out their one/two liners as fast as possible. freightjoe is also probably NLC. A serial ban evader for botting the forum with fud and porn bots. Check his post history. All his posts are just slagging bitcoin off. Pure 100% fud troll either way.