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2781  Other / Meta / Re: Why im still newbie? on: January 28, 2017, 01:56:39 AM
Hello as the title says
Ive been active in this forum and had a post count of 52 plus this new post.
My question is why im still a newbie?
Is this some kind of a bug or im just missing something i dont know.
Now its clear thanks a lot guys Smiley

Actually, it doesn't matter if you keep posting after you know that the counting activity is 14/2 weeks, During your post doesn't lead to spam and out off topic. This is a savings for your post during next 2 weeks, and then we know that you are an active member in this forums. Keep posting, and exploration of many threads available. It is also necessary if you follow a signature campaign that requires you to post your comment at least 2-5x/day.
2782  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Bagaimana menjadi seorang manager signature campaign? on: January 27, 2017, 09:11:19 AM
Are you interested in being a campaign manager?

Nih gue bantu buat lompatan awal https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1618170.40

Gue dukung buat orang lokal yang berniat meniti karir di jalur ini. Soal english & grammar/pronounce gue rasa kalian jagonya (khususnya yang lagi pake signature). Gak perlu keahlian khusus, cukup pm/chit chat akrab, dan utarakan ide tentang rule & bounties, kesanggupan untuk bertanggungjawab adalah mutlak.
2783  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Media laundry Terbaik di Dunia(Bitcoin) on: January 27, 2017, 08:24:43 AM
Ada yang sudah pakai blender macam [banned mixer]?

Threadnya : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1484009.0

Banyak cara, banyak celah, apalagi buat yang suka main di dark web, Tapi gue rasa tetap balik lagi ke penggunanya, bitcoin ibarat janda kembang, bisa akrab dengan banyak cara. Tak ada jaminan pemerintah jika kecanduan.
2784  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Jika pengguna bitcoin suatu saat ditark pajak... mau??? on: January 27, 2017, 07:55:51 AM

Transaksi bitcoin itu kan macam2, ada transaksi yg dilakukan secara langsung atu direct dari address A ke Address B. Tanpa harus melewati third party bukan? Untuk transaksi yg seperti ini bagaimana identifikasinya hayoo?? Makanya satu-satunya jalan masuk ya pada bursa, maupun perusahaan di bidang crypto tersebut. Secara tidak langsung, itupun jg akan berimplikasi pada pengguna....

Pertanyaannya adalah PENGGUNA YG MANA?? Ya jelas pengguna layanan bursa ataupun perusahaan di bidang crypto itu Cheesy ya kan???

Nah... itupun lagi-lagi syarat mutlaknya adalah REGULASI YG JELAS. Krn bagaimanapun itu menjafi landasan hukumnya.

Hmm, simplenya kalau agan beli tempe 2 biji di pedagang sayur keliling, agan kena pajak regulasi ga Smiley

Yang terkena pajak hanya pihak penjual pertamanya, sedangkan kita sebagai pihak ketiga/keempat terlibat hanya dalam transaksi konvensional, no fee and taxation. Dan ini sama dengan transaksi kita antar wallet/exchange market yang non publik, kecuali blockchain buka cabang di jakarta.

Disini uniknya pajak, karena gak semua hal mampu dipajak pemerintah. Hanya customer/pegawai/owner bisnis publik yang terdaftar saja yang bisa "dipalak" secara resmi. Regulasi rupiah saja tak sempurna, kalau masalahnya mentok, ujung2nya hanya jadi bea karcis(bukan pajak).
2785  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: signature campaign vs social media campaign, which is more effective? on: January 27, 2017, 07:32:21 AM
if we compare & analogies from business side:

Signature campaign in bitcointalk:
- Business As in the euro zone.
- Quality of promotion participants applied.
- Many of rules are applied.

Social media campaign:
- Business As in China (Asia Zone).
- Quality is number two.
- Rules are made a bit lighter (spam not be a severe problem).

Both are equally good and prospectively, but for Bitcoin market, we know who is superior.

My honest opinion, promotion in social media more effectively. Signature campaign in bitcointalk is exclusive. But, the campaign manager had forgotten one thing, promoting campaign is not only targeting personal qualities, but many interest globally.

Principle of marketing is to find a lot of customers from various classes and skills, so that they become successful product after promo. Quality comes after a lot of interest from the participants and readers.
2786  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Info Signature Campaign | Last Update : 14 Januari 2017 on: January 27, 2017, 06:22:44 AM
Memang gue lihat keuntungan akun lawas yang tiba2 bangkit dari kubur itu kita gak perlu lagi kalikan per 14 hari, jadi posting & activity maju terus kedepan, Tapi untuk manager macam tim smash ndangduters, agak strict kalau jumlah posting gak lebih dari activity. Tapi no problem, yang penting agan arteis niat aktif kembali.

Ini gue baru nemu ada thread kumpulan signature english, padahal ini mulai taun 2014, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0 Tapi soal kelengkapan gue salut sama sulendra yang tambahkan altcoin signatures and bounty disini. Gue harap thread kumpulan bounty & giveaway juga dimanage seperti thread ini, biar makin kompetitif (saran).
2787  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Jika pengguna bitcoin suatu saat ditark pajak... mau??? on: January 27, 2017, 05:26:28 AM
Yg sebenernya di tanyakan apakah ditarik nya pajak transaksi bitcoin atau pajak keuntungan/penghasilan.

Secara global, saat kita bicara regulasi,itu berarti mencakup jenis pajak secara menyeluruh, jadi wajar saja kalau opini bercabang.

- transaksi
- penghasilan

Pajak transaksi untuk bitcoin melekat pada konsumen maupun pelaku usaha, di Indo memang belum mungkin, tapi di negara seperti kanada, cina, dan jepang, ini sudah berlaku. Untuk pajak penghasilan dimungkingkan untuk pegawai/pelaku usaha bitcoin saja macam alfamart dan kakaknya(mereka berdua jelas yang terdepan setelah vip-nya oscar untuk pasar exchange kalau btc legal)

orang ngomongin bitcoin, pajak bitcoin, kok ngomongnya sampai orang yang korup
Lho, APBN APBD emang sumbernya dari mana kang. Salah satunya ya dari pajak itu. lgi ngomongin pihak pemerintahnya om. Denda tu buat kita yang gak bayar pajak!

Kalian memang bicara pajak bitcoin dari 2 sudut pandang berbeda. Fokus gan kimpoi lebih kearah pelaku usaha dan konsumen (positif, outside), dan fokus gan gembul mengarah ke internal birokrasi (negatif, inside) 22nya memang terhubung dengan pajak & kasus pajak bitcoin.

mempermudah kita sebagai pengguna untuk mendapatkan coin yang lebih banyak...  Grin
mungkin agan mikirnya bitcoin di subsidi pemerintah kali ya beli mahal trus di jual ke kita murah gitu ya gan  Cheesy

Menurut gue, Kalau kata mempermudah diganti dengan kata mengakomodir kurang lebih artinya sama, namun kata mengakomodir artinya pemerintah membantu banyak bisnis di bidang bitcoin dan developer altcoin secara masif, dan impactnya kita diakomodasi untuk dapat banyak coin dari bisnis tersebut.
2788  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Kerja Sampingan Mencari $$$ tanpa meninggalkan Bitcoin on: January 27, 2017, 04:41:39 AM
saya pernah baca-baca sebaiknya kalau websitenya masih baru jangan langsung di daftarkan ke google adsense dulu
karena kemungkinan besar akan di tolak, lebih baik perbanyak artikel dan review dulu nanti setelah 3-5 bulan baru coba daftarkan adsense

bener gan minimal sudah berumr 3 bulan atau lebih, tapi ada jga yg baru bikin website 1 mingguan di terima,
semua tergantung dari isi websitenya sih adsense mah mereka memperhatikan isi dan kerapin websitenya, yg terpanting artikel jgn %100 copas

Kalau 1 minggu itu namanya tahap reviewing (6 hari), tahap dimana kita disuruh masukkan iklan adsense buat testing.

Kalau blog umurnya dah setahun dan lama gak kepake/atau blog dengan trafik & teknik plugin all in seo+domain(untuk wordpress), seminggu pasti diterima, Tapi banyak master gak akan coba2 dalam seminggu.

Coba saja gan daftarkan, gapapa kok Smiley, direject bukan berarti ditolak, tapi nanti dijelaskan kekurangannya bagian yang mana. Analoginya persis sama kaya akun rank newbie yang langsung daftar signature campaign.

Gue pernah berhasil succesfull approval dalam 3 minggu, Bagaimana caranya? hmm...

Kalau cuma ngarah adsensenya saja, jawabannya ada kok di jenis2 pihak ketiga adsense(third party) di page-page sebelumnya. Dulu yang paling kenceng lewat flixya, bukisa, dan docstoc, 1 minggu saja dah full approve, sayang dah collapse. Lumayan buat yang manfaatkan bug approval, harga akun adsense sendiri kisaran Rp.900 ribu (non us)-lebih Rp.1.5 juta (usa)
2789  Economy / Economics / Re: bitcoin atm on: January 26, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
may be very cool if bitcoin has had its own atm. perhaps so very easy for us to redeem bitcoin that we have. Well, until now, redeem bitcoin is a very difficult thing for me to do, but if the technology is developed, it would probably be something very good for bitcoin users in the future.

Most atm bitcoin is currently only able to serve purchases bitcoin, because they tripped over the state regulatory issues. But so far, many atm ready and for a while we could call it vending machine. As already provided in three places in Indonesia:

Quote
1. Bitcoin ATM in Jakarta - LTC Glodok, Ground Floor 1 Blok B2 no 2 Jakarta, Indonesia.
2. Bitcoin ATM in Ubud    - Monkey Forest 88X street, Ubud Gianyar Bali 80571, Indonesia
3. Bitcoin ATM in Kuta     - Bitcoin.co.id Information Center, Legian Kaja Street, No. 455 Kuta, Bali Indonesia

We do not have to be optimistic, but still continues to innovate straight ahead.
2790  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Peraturan Signature Campaign on: January 26, 2017, 08:08:06 PM
mau nanya ni gan ?
tentang signature .. kalo di rules
itu maksudnya karakter itu apa yah detail nya ... itu kata apa huruf ?
mohon bantuan nya
Karakter itu artinya huruf . Huruf yang diquote tidak masuk hitungan, jadi huruf/karakter yang agan ketik sendiri baru masuk hitungan rules signature campaign.
Kalau agan tanya spasi itu dihitung atau enggak , ane gak tau Smiley

Secara gampangnya agan buka google translate, itu di kolom kiri sudut kanan bawah ada tulisan 0/5000. Itu yang dimaksud karakter(kata), spasi juga dihitung kok Smiley, jadi gak usah hitung manual, paste saja komentar ke sana nanti keliatan jelas jumlahnya.

Ya kalau bisa tiap postingan diatas 200 karakter saja, biar dianggap gak terlalu main-main. Postingan kita yang sekarang adalah kebiasaan postingan kita yang akan datang, jadilah bijak.


trus kalo stake itu kan saham gan
per saham itu biasa nya berapa dapat nya gan ??
gini gan kalau stake dalam signature campaign itu biasanya tergantung dari rank nah semakin tinggi rank biasanya dapet lebih tinggi stake perminggunya nah kalau campaign dah selesai tar semua stak di jumlahin terus total bounty berapa, nanti total bounty di bagi jumlah stake nah hasil pembagian itu di kali dari semua jumlah stake per membernya gan

Ya gue juga baru tau setelah nyicipin sendiri, stake sama saja persentase koin yang didapat setelah ico, dihitung dari jumlah total yang didapat, trus dibagi sama rata sesuai porsi.
2791  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Lauda - STAFF MEMBER akhirnya di DEMOTE ! on: January 26, 2017, 07:45:48 PM
intinya jangan terlalu strength gitu yahh.. cukup disayangkan orang seperti lauda  harus turun dari jabatan  Undecided

Agan bilang cukup di sayangkan tapi saya yakin banyak user bitcointalk yang besyukur sebab sumpah serapah mereka terkabul lol
berdasarkan pengamatan saya ada satu lagi manager campaign terkenal hobi juga memeras secara halus memanfaatkan statusnya sebagai anggota DT
mungkin berikutnya giliran dia kena

Gue mengapresiasi lauda sebagai staff memang agak slanky, terlalu mengekedepankan kekuasaan dengan jam on yang tinggi, Memang gak salah, tapi lebih ke arah kontroversi. Intinya dia memang bagus dan paling disegani.

Gue tetap nunggu siapa tau ada manajer campain yang senang bikin ulah, tiba2 campainnya gak dapat respons tinggi, Atau banyak muncul manajer2 baru yang lebih friendly. Prinsip marketing adalah promo sukses dengan mendapatkan banyak jaring member (animo total bukan dihitung dari kalangan expert saja). Kalau gak sukses ya sia sia.
2792  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Taxes on Bitcoin on: January 26, 2017, 07:14:17 PM
Taxes are not an impediment us to stay in business, in a real job, you also pay taxes for any business that is run. So we think positively, the tax system doesn't rob a fraction of a percent of our income, but to accommodate and ensure ease in the future. We don't have to always do business in secret, needs recognition to be accepted globally.
2793  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Getting porn sites to accept bitcoin on: January 26, 2017, 06:59:00 PM
I say NO to PORN. Please. We all want to see Bitcoin in a better place. bitcoin has real valuable use. you can not do a good thing with help of a lie or bad influence. Try to provide services and in return ask for bitcoin. People will need to consume your product or use your service and you will get bitcoin. Bitcoin should not be used only as a way of Drug smuggling, porn, gambling, weapon dealing. Then in future common people will find btc as a coin of criminals, only. I would never use btc in porn industry

How old are you? Don't equate pornography & gambling industry as purely criminal activity. It was a very different side. In developed countries, the government legalize this industry for adult consumption. Regulation is also very clear. It is negative? it depends on your own understanding. Many gambling sites this forum which does not forbid you to fall into it. Don't be too apathetic.

Dark web, sure.

Yes I agree, I also want a website like pornhub etc using bitcoin as a payment. We know that all businesses need clear regulation, but we can't deny, we as adults need entertainment that is personal.
2794  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Can bitcoin be frozen? on: January 26, 2017, 06:38:12 PM
The government could freeze bitcoin, if too many massive crimes that occur, such as the purchase of drugs that can't be controlled anymore, or too many cases of fraudulent use of bitcoin.

Very easy, the government only a block sites like blockchain wallet provider, or all business sites using bitcoin. It doesn't freeze completely, but prevent ordinary people to gain full access in public. As long as the government doesn't prohibit the use of bitcoin (ensnared by the law), we can still access it easily.
2795  Other / Off-topic / Re: world without bitcoins......!!!1 on: January 26, 2017, 06:22:21 PM
In the rapid development progress of bitcoins, there has been countries where bitcoins are banned like China ,Bolivia ,Bangladesh and others.......... Since bitcoins are not in the hands of government , many countries have banned it and are in the phase on banning bitcoins............ So what should be done? What should be said to the governements?Huh?

Ahh governments it is all about controlling people. They hate bitcoin because they get freedom they have to treat their citizens like they're small children so everything has to be monitored.
You know they're helicopter parents why now helicopter governments?
China all the time

China banned bitcoin is not possible, because one of the world's largest market is there. Differentiate investigations with bann, if other countries like bangladesh etc, they are just not ready to legalize it, but doesn't prohibit their use in the online channel. Don't be too anxious about this.
2796  Local / Marketplace (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [AhasChanger] Jual Beli Bitcoin Neteller PM Okpay Paypal BTC-e Payeer VoucherVIP on: January 26, 2017, 05:48:36 AM
Pelayanan kurang sip, saya check situsnya jarang online adminnya. Ini dah dari tadi jam 8 saya nunggu ga online2 juga, katanya jam online 08.00-22.00??? Kontak pake whatsapp pun ga ada tanggapan sama sekali.
Ini beneran jualan ga sih?

Exchanger local indie punya kelemahan dan ada hari libur gan, sabar saja, mungkin lagi kondangan. Sebelumnya beliau fast respons kok, Coba bbm saja. Gue gak patokan sama 1 exchanger saja(meskipun yang model ginian lebih faster sendingnya).
2797  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Peraturan Signature Campaign on: January 13, 2017, 09:45:09 PM
Terimakasih buat agan Lucky80 yang sudah membuat thread ini, sangat membantu sekaligus sebagai warning
buat kita2 semua agar lebih hati2 dalam memposting, jadi posting nya jangan lebih dari 5 post / hari ya gan ?
Menurut ane agan bisa aja buat post 5-7 post/hari , tapi yg perlu diperhatikan itu [1]jarak rentang antar post dan kualitas dari postingan agan. Walaupun agan ngepost dikit tapi isi dari post agan adalah isi dari post yg sudah pernah dipost atau isinya gk masuk akal/nonsense, dan rentang waktu postnya berdekatan (E.g : Ngepost 5 post dalam waktu 10-15 menit) ini yg jadi pertimbangan dan bisa jadi ditolak atau red trust/blacklist.

[1]Lutpin : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=520313;sa=showPosts (6 post kemarin tapi rentang waktu post berjauhan).

Gan, banyak gue lihat campaign yang orientasi di gambling and sportsbet, Pertanyaan gue, bisa gak situs judi indo ikut campaign disini:

-Harus hubungi staff forum dan wajib masuk hanya international thread.
-atau bisa berdikari sendiri di local thread.

Soal kualitas & financial power, situs judi indonesia jajaran besar di asia, tinggal diatur aja settingan koin mau pake coin apa selain rupiah& dollar, mereka pasti paham.
2798  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Media laundry Terbaik di Dunia(Bitcoin) on: January 13, 2017, 09:06:01 PM
Memang bitcoin terdesentralisasi, tapi gue menganggap ga semua orang mampu memahaminya. seperti kita memahami forex atau potoshop. Banyak orang menganggapnya rumit. Saya yakin banyak orang pintar di pemerintahan juga pasti alasannya sama. Soal laundry, bisa saja nantinya pemerintah kerjasama dengan blockchain buat ngetrace alur transaksi. Tapi impossible juga. kalau ga private and anonym, bukan bitcoin lagi namanya.

2799  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why bitcoin is not supported in some countries? on: January 13, 2017, 08:36:48 PM
If we look to the broader side, there are some countries that only tends to follow the global trend of developed countries. If majority of developed countries said no, developing countries as followers will say no too. Unsupported doesn't mean the state doesn't allow it, but the state refused responsibility for the use bitcoin every citizen.

That's not to mention we are talking about a country at war. Internet facility is certainly very chaotic, there is no chance to get in bitcoin
2800  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best source of bitcoin nowadays? on: January 13, 2017, 07:53:46 PM
Most people will choose trading, because it can benefit quickly, simply by market analysis. But not everyone understood it.

I personally would choose to trade. But I also concentration with revshare. This business makes me get 0.006 btc every day. It takes about 6 months to sharpen the percentage of profit. It was enough to make me comfortable until now.
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