What a clever and witty retort sir! Your grasp of the English language is elegant and substantial!
Well, at least it was straight to the point... |
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Bitsyncom, any sign of progress now?
Chips should be sliced by now and should have gone through functional testing...in fact, the assembled units should be nearing completion (I would expect at least 1 day on a testnet for each finished unit). They may be keeping us in the dark for some reason. |
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Do they get a fresh wave of orders? I dunno. I would imagine that any company that ships (and has well-known forum members posting that the device works) is going to get orders no matter how long it took them to get to that stage. Well, assuming the product is still competitive. |
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What happens if there is a problem found from the first iteration of the ASIC is anybodys guess.
Well, there are reasons to believe that this already happened...they're still better off financially if they delay again, because they can expect a fresh wave of orders when people eventually see that the devices actually work. |
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I just can't understand why BFL would still be around (along with all it's 25 paid employees) if they were scammers. What would they be trying to accomplish right now? They are losing money that they could have run with every day, both through issuance of refunds and through payment of rent/employees/etc, and Josh in particular is spending a great deal of time creating elaborate stories and specific details that they couldn't release earlier not. If they were scammers, why didn't they make up these stories much earlier on? Why not give out these details from day one? Or at the very least, months ago? I just see so many things that point to them not being scammers, I really can't see it as a serious possibility.
Well, if it is a scam, that's exactly what they want you to think... |
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Hence, they're still at phase-1, "Simulate".
That's probably wrong. If the chips they received (prototype or otherwise) had clocking issues, then they never would have been able to run them at anything remotely close to full speed (ie. max heat). Simulation is not only done in "phase 1". |
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I asked specifically at which point the failure would be expected. An ignorant "HERP DERP THEY WONT DELIVER" is not a specific point.
Possible answers from someone who isn't stupid would be "the fab won't have finished all the layers in time" or "the packaging will take longer than expected" or "chips will get stuck in customs" or "functional testing will fail" or "thermal/environmental testing will fail" etc.
That one. (In bold above.) Agreed. If there is to be a problem, that would be the most serious. I was largely testing the other poster  NO PROTOTYPE How do you know there was no prototype? A prototype with major issues (eg. overheating or reliability issues) would not be something they would want to brag about or produce demos of, but they would learn what they need to produce a full run of working chips. Um, the batch of chips that was received in December was a full-wafer run. I believe Josh mentioned 100k chips. The ones with the major overheating and clock stability issues. That may very well be true, and I hope for their sake that they learned everything they could from those chips if that's the case. |
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I heard you say it..I am sure u said "THEY HAVE WORKING PROTOTYPE"
Please quote it. maybe the POPE
Your obsession with catholicism is quite strange... |
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U are 12th centuary Catholic France... where people only believed in the world being flat so anybody who questioned this was brought to the inquisition..this is you...lol
I'm quite surprised that you think that I think like that. Also the "fuck" part ...I shoot I score ...the crowd goes wild as we win the pennant
Trolling successful! 10/10. |
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So you think the delivery company will fail to deliver them?
No I think u are trying to verbal my answer & twist the meaning.....nice ...Oh yeah I meant that the delivery company is to blame...i loled & loled I know this is a correct interpertation in 12 centuary France but i live in Australia (did i mention that) I asked specifically at which point the failure would be expected. An ignorant "HERP DERP THEY WONT DELIVER" is not a specific point. |
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Maybe I am slow...
Yes, I believe you have demonstrated this. Learn Me some more about 12 Centuary Catholic Dogma....  What the actual fuck does that have to do with anything? |
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Let me check what I said "working prototype" maybe clocked down so as to not produce too much heat to reach the fail point
Please explain why you think they had a prototype that worked perfectly except for heat issues that would be easily fixed by downclocking and then didn't bother to demonstrate it. U certainly exhibit some rather 1 sided view points...I can see that there is no point discussing anything with u
Get a goddamn mirror. |
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I point to the part of "Delivery of tested working Units" /facepalm So you think the delivery company will fail to deliver them? U trolling now...cool  /facepalm Are you...pretending to be stupider than you actually are? You realise that's a form of trolling, right? If not, please read the post in full. |
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People seem to consistently forget that in order to pull off a scam of this magnitude, they'd need to support of all participating members...managers, execs, designers, engineers, etc. This. If the engineers aren't in on it, then they would have done everything they can to produce working ASICs. If they can produce working ASICs, why would they (BFL higher ups) bother with a scam? If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life. I somehow don't think they have enough in pre orders for that. This constant denial where everything is black or white Usually this kind of response means "I can't prove the earlier claims, but I'm sure you oversimplified something, even though I can't explain just how." |
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If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life.
Can you name three BFL engineers? Let me guess, you're thinking "if a random forum poster can't name three engineers, their careers are 100% safe if they're all involved in a scam and they know this". |
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+1
If they had a working prototype producing 25% or rated expectation they would have sold %500 more product
A failed ASIC isn't just going to drop in performance (unless heat was the only issue)...it's going to flat out fail to produce valid hashes. |
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We are saying you work for BFL ...lol I'm not on the same continent, but I suppose they could be paying me in BTC to post on the forums. I should check my wallets... |
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I point to the part of "Delivery of tested working Units" /facepalm So you think the delivery company will fail to deliver them? I asked specifically at which point the failure would be expected. An ignorant "HERP DERP THEY WONT DELIVER" is not a specific point. Possible answers from someone who isn't stupid would be "the fab won't have finished all the layers in time" or "the packaging will take longer than expected" or "chips will get stuck in customs" or "functional testing will fail" or "thermal/environmental testing will fail" etc. NO PROTOTYPE How do you know there was no prototype? A prototype with major issues (eg. overheating or reliability issues) would not be something they would want to brag about or produce demos of, but they would learn what they need to produce a full run of working chips. |
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People seem to consistently forget that in order to pull off a scam of this magnitude, they'd need to support of all participating members...managers, execs, designers, engineers, etc. This. If the engineers aren't in on it, then they would have done everything they can to produce working ASICs. If they can produce working ASICs, why would they (BFL higher ups) bother with a scam? If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life. I somehow don't think they have enough in pre orders for that. |
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No demo Yeah, they still haven't given a solid answer on this (unless I missed it?). It's a bit odd. |
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