[Archive] BFL trolling museum

[YipYip]

BFL happens to employ a previously convicted felon. Lots of companies do.

Yeah, to clean their toilets. NOT as managers.

Ha, seems you're overlooking just about every single company in the banking/financial industry...

Agreed in most countries including Australia, America

It is regulation & part of the standard probity checks done from the outset before u can be employed in any manner in the BANKING & Financial biz

A standard probity check costs around 15k and they check for the past 15 years with a fine tooth comb on who u r and where u have been down to a detail

SOnny even with name change = Fail

[JWU42]

[nathanrees19]

People seem to consistently forget that in order to pull off a scam of this magnitude, they'd need to support of all participating members...managers, execs, designers, engineers, etc.

This.

If the engineers aren't in on it, then they would have done everything they can to produce working ASICs. If they can produce working ASICs, why would they (BFL higher ups) bother with a scam?

If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life. I somehow don't think they have enough in pre orders for that.

[nathanrees19]

I point to the part of "Delivery of tested working Units"

/facepalm

So you think the delivery company will fail to deliver them?

I asked specifically at which point the failure would be expected. An ignorant "HERP DERP THEY WONT DELIVER" is not a specific point.

Possible answers from someone who isn't stupid would be "the fab won't have finished all the layers in time" or "the packaging will take longer than expected" or "chips will get stuck in customs" or "functional testing will fail" or "thermal/environmental testing will fail" etc.

NO PROTOTYPE

How do you know there was no prototype? A prototype with major issues (eg. overheating or reliability issues) would not be something they would want to brag about or produce demos of, but they would learn what they need to produce a full run of working chips.

[niko]

If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life.

Can you name three BFL engineers?

[nathanrees19]

We are saying you work for BFL ...lol

I'm not on the same continent, but I suppose they could be paying me in BTC to post on the forums. I should check my wallets...

[Bogart]

If BFL wanted to silence their critics. All they would really need is show a working prototype.

CES would have been a perfect opportunity for them to do this. But no, they brought box filled with fans and a Nexus 7 to "demo".

So, one might conclude that they have no working prototype...

...OR...

...that they do not want to silence their critics and doubters.

You've heard of "no such thing as bad press", right?

This thread has grown many pages in a single day, and what's it all about?  Talk centering on BFL products.

You can't buy that kind of "buzz".

[nathanrees19]

+1

If they had a working prototype producing 25% or rated expectation they would have sold %500 more product

A failed ASIC isn't just going to drop in performance (unless heat was the only issue)...it's going to flat out fail to produce valid hashes.

[YipYip]

People seem to consistently forget that in order to pull off a scam of this magnitude, they'd need to support of all participating members...managers, execs, designers, engineers, etc.

This.

If the engineers aren't in on it, then they would have done everything they can to produce working ASICs. If they can produce working ASICs, why would they (BFL higher ups) bother with a scam?

If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life. I somehow don't think they have enough in pre orders for that.

This constant denial where everything is black or white really beggars belief of how the world works

Madoff had 400+ professionals working away thinking & doing what they do..stop & think that this can not be applied to BFL because an engineer did some work....yeah

They maybe ligit who knows...but to deny the existance of the posability  that the world may be round belongs to a time gone past

Maybe u are the catholic chruch circa "1200AD"

 

[Bogart]

About overheating chips.. packages, board overheat etc...

Think about GPU devices..  I dont know any other application / game that can make a GPU heating as much as hashing.. I think hashing is very hard on chips.  Simulations and stuff like that may be based on known uses of chips.   As hashing is quite hard/extensive on chips, maybe simulations dont account for that kind of very extensive use of a chip.  

So, my bet is that in real life, asics hashing heats much more than the simulation shows.

just my tought

60W TDP is 60W TDP no matter how you slice it.

It doesn't seem like that much heat to manage when I think of the heat that comes off my 300W 5970, and that's only divided between two chips.

[YipYip]

I point to the part of "Delivery of tested working Units"

/facepalm

So you think the delivery company will fail to deliver them?

U trolling now...cool  

[nathanrees19]

If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life.

Can you name three BFL engineers?

Let me guess, you're thinking "if a random forum poster can't name three engineers, their careers are 100% safe if they're all involved in a scam and they know this".

[YipYip]

+1

If they had a working prototype producing 25% or rated expectation they would have sold %500 more product

A failed ASIC isn't just going to drop in performance (unless heat was the only issue)...it's going to flat out fail to produce valid hashes.

..lol u are funny

Let me check what I said "working prototype"  maybe clocked down so as to not produce too much heat to reach the fail point

U certainly exhibit some rather 1 sided view points...I can see that there is no point discussing anything with u

Go back to 12 century France as you will be at home with like minded individuals

..lol  

[crazyates]

+1

If they had a working prototype producing 25% or rated expectation they would have sold %500 more product

A failed ASIC isn't just going to drop in performance (unless heat was the only issue)...it's going to flat out fail to produce valid hashes.

That's a good point. So if they got those QFN demo chips back a few months ago, and the only issue was heat, then the chips would be confirmed to work just fine, would they not? They changed the package, but the core design remains the same and has already been proven/tested, even if it was internally by BFL.

[nathanrees19]

People seem to consistently forget that in order to pull off a scam of this magnitude, they'd need to support of all participating members...managers, execs, designers, engineers, etc.

This.

If the engineers aren't in on it, then they would have done everything they can to produce working ASICs. If they can produce working ASICs, why would they (BFL higher ups) bother with a scam?

If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life. I somehow don't think they have enough in pre orders for that.

This constant denial where everything is black or white

Usually this kind of response means "I can't prove the earlier claims, but I'm sure you oversimplified something, even though I can't explain just how."

[nathanrees19]

I point to the part of "Delivery of tested working Units"

/facepalm

So you think the delivery company will fail to deliver them?

U trolling now...cool 

/facepalm

Are you...pretending to be stupider than you actually are? You realise that's a form of trolling, right? If not, please read the post in full.

[YipYip]

People seem to consistently forget that in order to pull off a scam of this magnitude, they'd need to support of all participating members...managers, execs, designers, engineers, etc.

This.

If the engineers aren't in on it, then they would have done everything they can to produce working ASICs. If they can produce working ASICs, why would they (BFL higher ups) bother with a scam?

If the engineers are in on it, their professional career is dead, so the scam would need to support them for the rest of their life. I somehow don't think they have enough in pre orders for that.

This constant denial where everything is black or white

Usually this kind of response means "I can't prove the earlier claims, but I'm sure you oversimplified something, even though I can't explain just how."

Maybe I am slow...but i dont even know what u mean..

Learn Me some more about 12 Centuary Catholic Dogma....

[nathanrees19]

Let me check what I said "working prototype"  maybe clocked down so as to not produce too much heat to reach the fail point

Please explain why you think they had a prototype that worked perfectly except for heat issues that would be easily fixed by downclocking and then didn't bother to demonstrate it.

U certainly exhibit some rather 1 sided view points...I can see that there is no point discussing anything with u

Get a goddamn mirror.

[nathanrees19]

Maybe I am slow...

Yes, I believe you have demonstrated this.

Learn Me some more about 12 Centuary Catholic Dogma....

What the actual fuck does that have to do with anything?

[YipYip]

So you think the delivery company will fail to deliver them?

No I think u are trying to verbal my answer & twist the meaning.....nice

...Oh yeah I meant that the delivery company is to blame...i loled & loled

I know this is a correct interpertation in 12 centuary France but i live in Australia (did i mention that)