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281  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 28, 2014, 02:18:13 PM
I don't know how you can NOT understand "up to 30,000 bitcoin" and "50% pre-mine" its staring right at everyone's face.  We can all do the math and surmise the repercussions from this deal.  You can't sweep it under the rug or divert our attention from it with tech talk.  100 questions wont answer that one.  If you can't figure out what everyone's main concern/disgust is and you have to gather a list of questions to ferret it out....I don't know how to respond to that.

50% of what? The amount of Ether issued after the IPO? The first year including mining? Year 5? You're flat our wrong in all cases. Stop making up numbers when you clearly don't know what you're talking about and try to reference some facts.

Why dont you try to explain it yourself?  50% of what smartass.  This whole thread is all about attacking anyone who has legitimate questions, trying to intimidate others.  Instead of acting like a natural born idiot why dont you explain yourself and present a good reason why its a good investment. All you same 4-5 shills do all day long on this thread is attack people who have questions with insults.  Why dont you explain and convince everybody about the percentages and why they deserve the money they are asking for and the amount of pre-mine they are planning.
282  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [SCRYPT] Klondike Coin, Join the Goldrush!★Kimotos Gravity★ [Exchange] on: January 28, 2014, 02:05:21 PM
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I wonder if the dev could increase the difficulty to decrease the supply

Only by block halving. any other kind of direct manipulation with the diff will result in the lose of trust of buyers and suppliers alike.


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All these new coins coming into the market everyday is probably not healthy while we are on a small exchange

Patience, a 204 BTC volume will not go unnoticed by major exchanges, and they WILL have their piece of the pie.
when that happens, price will have a short spike upward and then spiral down, after that period, demand will even out with the supply and price will stabilize. some time after that the block halving would occur, only after that we could walk on the moon.

Then block halving should be fully considered...there are way too many coins being mined a day.  We have a good amount of buying but cant keep up with the selling going on.

How many new coins are being mined a day at the current difficulty?  I want the damn coin to drop to 10,000 would be pretty easy to do that right now.  Where are all the sellers coming from every day?  The coin has been dropping steadily so they must be newly mined coins.  Im not worried about the price, Im just curious about the dynamics of the pricing and why there seems to be an excess of supply when the price is going down.  There should be should have been a lot of support at 20,000 but the constant selling signals to me that these are newly mined coins from big rigs that have no interest in the coin except to mine and sell them.

Im convinced its one or two big rigs that are doing all the mining and selling right now.
283  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [SCRYPT] Klondike Coin, Join the Goldrush!★Kimotos Gravity★ [Exchange] on: January 28, 2014, 01:35:34 PM
I wonder if this coin is still profitable?  atm it probably works against the supply and demand of KDC.  If Hashing power goes up because it is popular and people are buying and interested in mining that is great,  But if Hashing power goes up because one or two huge rigs are mining and selling, then that is terrible because all they are doing is mining most of the coins and dumping as fast as they mine it as long as the price is right.  Either the difficulty needs to go up the price needs to go down in order to keep the big rigs off.  Am I mistaken?

let them big miners sell, IMO. coin dispersal is good for a new coin, and volume at coinmarket shows that. maybe it would take more time because miners are dumping and price will fluctuate, but in the end, it just says that more and more ppl want to get their hands on Klondike, and that's a good thing.

My only concern was the multipools. with that kind of hash tose pools could really wreck a young coin, right now eac is being plowed by middlecoin, and the price of eac reflect that (enormous mega-dumps on Cryptsy).

as for my speculation, once we've hit a big exchange, klondike value will decrease because a lot of ppl are waiting for a bigger volume that will handle their large amounts of klondike coins, I hope I'm wrong, but as for now, that is my opinion....

but regardless, coin dispersal is good, means that there is a demand. what will happen when that demand will meet with the block halving? Smiley

hehe... we'll just wait and see.

That is my point.  The coin is gaining in popularity but as long as the price remains high (relative to the difficulty), the big rigs will be mining most of the coins (not buying) and dumping and eating up all the demand.  The demand cannot keep up with the supply.  The value of the coin needs to go down more to keep the big rigs off the coin and into the hands of people who will not dump as fast.  As long as the price remains over 10,000 the big rigs are waiting with 1000.s of Klondikes and eating any large buy orders on the spot. Personally since Im holding my Klondikes long term,  i would rather it go back down to 10,000 get the bg rigs off the  coin and buy another 25K and let the coins rise slowly.

I wonder if the dev could increase the difficulty to decrease the supply.  All these new coins coming into the market everyday is probably not healthy while we are on a small exchange.
284  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [SCRYPT] Klondike Coin, Join the Goldrush!★Kimotos Gravity★ [Exchange] on: January 28, 2014, 01:17:03 PM
Ive come to the conclusion that KDC needs to drop so we can get rid of the big rigs that are mining most of the coins and dumping.  they are outstripping the demand.  There was scant supply just a few days ago and now there is a constant nonstop selling going on.  There has been plenty of buying and we should be trading much higher now or at least stabilized but the big mining rigs jumped up the hashing and dominated all the coins and dumped it all as long as the price is high.
285  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [SCRYPT] Klondike Coin, Join the Goldrush!★Kimotos Gravity★ [Exchange] on: January 28, 2014, 12:38:57 PM
I wonder if this coin is still profitable?  atm it probably works against the supply and demand of KDC.  If Hashing power goes up because it is popular and people are buying and interested in mining that is great,  But if Hashing power goes up because one or two huge rigs are mining and selling, then that is terrible because all they are doing is mining most of the coins and dumping as fast as they mine it as long as the price is right.  Either the difficulty needs to go up the price needs to go down in order to keep the big rigs off.  Am I mistaken?
286  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 28, 2014, 12:07:37 PM
The change in presale price is disgusting, reminds me of when dominos started cutting 13" texas bbq into 6 instead of 8 probably some ex gs wanker in head of operations thought that one up. also @gunshot shut up mate you're boring

I hate to agree with you on both points, the change in price is disgusting and my constant repeating of the obvious is naturally boring. But I shrug off your comment because anyone who eats dominos pizza in any size  loses my respect.  Smiley
287  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 28, 2014, 11:43:58 AM
I don't know how you can NOT understand "up to 30,000 bitcoin" and "50% pre-mine" its staring right at everyone's face.  We can all do the math and surmise the repercussions from this deal.  You can't sweep it under the rug or divert our attention from it with tech talk.  100 questions wont answer that one.  If you can't figure out what everyone's main concern/disgust is and you have to gather a list of questions to ferret it out....I don't know how to respond to that.
288  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 28, 2014, 10:50:10 AM
I think eth developers have been brainwashed by goldman sachs in believing they are going to change the world

I feel bad for Charles. Guy mentions that someone who worked for Goldman Sachs in the past has interest in the project and a new Internet conspiracy theory is born. If Goldman Sachs is secretly engineering a plot to troll everyone on the Internet, they'd be smart enough to not get Charles to announce it in a YouTube video. Besides, if you knew how deeply embedded those corporations are in Bitcoin, you'd burn your hard drive to a crisp in a bonfire. Keep on derpin'!

I wouldn't care where people worked before hand. It's the fact that Ethereum seems to be designed to screw investors. It almost seems like it's designed wrong on purpose.

I'm willing to say it's possible that it's just a philosophical disagreement. A lot of very smart people can disagree on these matters. I'm willing to watch how Ethereum does but I'm not going to be investing in an IPO where it's 1000 Ethers a Bitcoin. That is so over priced that it's almost ridiculous. 50% premine is even more ridiculous.

Say what you want about the IPO but as an investor it's just too much risk. On top of that the design is extremely ambitious but also presents security risks as well being that it is turing complete. Using virtual machines and sandboxes may help but it's also going to make it much more expensive and difficult to develop than most people here realize.

I like the technology, so from that perspective I think its pretty cool. But from the perspective of an investor I think it's not worth the risk to me when you have Bitshares, Mastercoin and others which aren't going to inflate for eternity (for no apparent reason).

If you're going to dilute our shares don't ask for 50% premine. Don't design it in such a way so that it is as unattractive to early investors as possible. We aren't stupid.

+1

I would like to add, what would happen if the bitcoin community gave them the 30,000 bitcoins they are asking for?  Wall Street and Goldman Sachs advisers would come out with a new team every week and would ask for a large pre-mine and pre-sale before launch of every new coin.  Ethereum would set a precedent and we would enter a new era dominated by wall street that would take all the profits out up front and put the entire risk on the bitcoin community.  If this pre-sale is a success, it would be the end for miners and crypto investors.  Right now we are able to take a risk on ground floor investments, but once/if this coin succeeds we will be forced to buy in and take more risk on every new coin.  This coin is NOT a ground floor investment, it is not even midterm, it is a long term investment that will be instantly diluted that shifts the early profits entirely to the coin devs and puts the risk entirely on the bitcoin community.  Everything will have to go perfectly for miners and investors to make any money.  And it will only be the beginning, because if they see this model works, then every new coin will tax the bitcoin community and put the risk on us.
289  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 28, 2014, 09:16:52 AM

The day this coin launch, the scam crew will probably be arrested like Ross Ulbricht from SilkRoad.

This could be the biggest scam ever in crypto-currency. If you support it, you can get into trouble.

I wouldn't take that risk.


They might be arrested like Charlie Shrem  Grin
 http://www.coindesk.com/bitinstant-ceo-charlie-shrem-arrested-silk-road-bitcoin-bust/

Yup these guys are laundering money through the exchange of coins to enter a gray area to avoid crowdfundraising regulations.  Everyone better believe that the feds SEC and Canadians are watching this.  Some of the pre-sales have been small fish but this amount of money will not be overlooked.  Once you send your bitcoins, if they get arrested, everyone will lose. 
290  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN - NEW EXCHANGE] | www.CoinMarket.io | OFFICIAL THREAD on: January 28, 2014, 08:52:43 AM
Yes lets all be patient for another 16 hours shall we .... I don't think so ... fix it for the last time or I think we all might need to pull our coin till they can get it fixed properly, the Bulk of Noble coin trade is being done on this site and it's affecting the price, time to move and get the market back and sorted out
You are welcome go get out of CoinMarket.io with all your coins.
How about we help you with that and forcibly end your "membership"?
Do you understand what coinmarket.io is and what are you dealing with?
An untested, unregulated exchange in an developement stage.
There is no guaratnee of uptime, correctness, reliability or security.
Dont take anything for granted. Feel free to cash out if you dont like this.

Acceptance of the Terms of Service is mandatory.

EXACTLY!!  Stop bothering Coinmarket.io with your petty complaints.  He is doing an AWESOME job!! He has been very honest and doing everything he can to accommodate us.  Once it gets out of BETA, it will be a tremendous asset to the bitcoin community.  Learn how to read, if you dont understand the word BETA and "use at your own risk", look it up.  Stop complaining and leave the guy the hell alone so he can do his work.  If you dont like the idea of leaving your coins while the site is in beta, GTFO.
291  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 28, 2014, 07:41:13 AM
I don't have opinion yet.

But did any of you see the post by the guy who attended the Miami conference?

He clearly stated that the 30,000 BTC was a self imposed cap on fund raising.  It was not the amount they're claiming they need.

He clearly stated that V named 500 BTC as what they actually need.  If they have that, they can continue with the project.

Stop saying they're demanding 30,000 BTC from investors.  Apparently its not factual.  Or its lacking some information.

If this became a 500 BTC IPO .... would that make people happier?  

It does not matter because there are a number of people who want to run this project to the ground with complete misinformation. They will stick to their claim of 30,000 BTC and 36 million dollars paying no heed to others. They twist every little piece of information that has been listed with their lies and have completely infected this thread. People who are too lazy to read the original posts or comprehend it correctly buy into their lies.

If you like this project you are either a "HUGE" investor, or scum of the earth or a wall street stooge or your are simply getting paid to mislead people. They will bully, intimidate and abuse you until you no longer give a shit about clearing this misinformation. If you want information on this project this is no longer the thread to seek, look for information on their official website and forum, you might be able to decide if you want to invest or not to.

I have no problem with the opinion that the founders are asking for too much (BTC and premine share) but the numbers being thrown around has become the theater of absurd.


+1 The energy and time some of the detractors have put into repeatedly posting disinformation here makes me suspicious, but at least by announcing the pre-sale publicly here, Ethereum has met its commitment to inform and allow people to participate according to a fixed schedule and investment cap. This will negate future claims that people did not have a chance to invest.

Do your own research people.  Google "IPO" "prospectus" "Crowdfundraising legal requirements."  Do not listen to what I am saying, do your own research before you invest a dime.  That's all I'm asking is to ignore the hype and do some homework before you invest a dime and make your own decision.  All of the same guys here that are posting and detracting from people who have legitimate questions.  READ their previous posts before you take any value in their opinions.  Most ALL of them have been involved in a launch of a coin that raised money pre-sale.  They have a sincere interest in seeing this coin launch succeed so they can get involved in the next one that will charge a lot of money.  READ their previous posts and you will see most of them have no credibility.  You can read mine and you will see I'm just a casual investor,
292  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 28, 2014, 07:00:01 AM

But if you think this has true potential and you decide not to invest "on principle" because you feel like the founders are making too much money, then you're a damn fool.
+1 This.


Are you kidding me?  You will be able to buy MILLIONS of these aftermarket.  That's just the dumbest thing I have read so far.  You are all sadly mistaken if you think this will trade higher at the opening.  You are under the impression that you are buying in at the ground floor like any other coin. NOT!!!! You will have to overcome a 30,000 bitcoin neg from the beginning PLUS 50%  premine plus further devaluation over time due to mining etc...  This will be over priced right from the start and the market will reflect that.  There is a big difference in buying a coin when its dirt cheap vs having to overcome a 36 million or 30,000 btc deficit plus 50% premine.  The Goldman Sachs advisers have sucked all of the future profits out of the tech before its even launched.  This coin will have to jump through hoops and perform miracles before they exceed that barrier.

If you think a starter coin will have a 100 million market cap right from the beginning and you will miss out on something big if you dont buy into the pre-sale, then Goldman Sachs did a awesome job brainwashing you into relieving you of your money.  This coin will not sell out and they will have to unload a ton of the designated pre-sale coin onto the market in order to honor their commitments.  Any coin has the potential to increase in value, but you have to realize, right from the beginning this coin will have already drained 30,000 bitcoin in profits from the community and the remaining of the 50% premine plus more coins from mining etc....  If you think there is another 100,000 bitcoin waiting to take that off your hands for a starter coin that is already getting a ton of negative press, you will be in for a surprise.  If anything it will be undersold and the market will be flooded with these coins and it will sink to its appropriate value before it will rise.
293  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 28, 2014, 06:07:04 AM
This crowdfundraising is a total scam job. Who in their right mind gives 30,000 in untraceable bitcoins to a bunch of total strangers that refuse to file the proper paperwork that is required when crowdfundraising. This legally required filing for crowdfundraising is designed to provide transparency and protect people against fraud. This is not your average coin launch that does a percentage of pre-mine for advertising. They lost their right of anonymity as small time devs just casually creating coins when they asked for 36 million dollars from the public. When you ask for that kind of capital, you MUST file the proper paperwork.

They are asking YOU and the entire bitcoin community to TRUST them and GIVE them 30,000 BTC before launch and make them millions before one coin is mined with absolutely no documentation, no insurance, no bond, no transparency, no regulatory filings. Do not let them deceive you. This is not just another coin launch. When you ask for this type of money, you MUST file the proper paperwork and background checks. Who are these guys? ONE youtube video and they are asking for 30,000 BTC. Let them earn their money like every other dev, mine a small part and let the market decide how much the coins should be worth. Even if you like the tech DO NOT enable this kind of behaviour and let these fukin devs take advantage of the bitcoin community. They want to be millionaires with YOUR money before even launching. They want YOU to take ALL the risk while they become millionaires with ZERO risk. They will be laughing all the way to the bank in their new Lamborghinis and Homes, while you are nervous about your money the entire time. They have ZERO sweat equity or money of their own in this project. Does this seem right to you?

This is not an IPO, they have no sweat equity or principle money of their own involved, no VC in their right mind would invest a penny in their company, and they are skirting every financial regulation you can think of. They are requesting to get paid in untraceable bitcoin so if something happens they are already wealthy and can claim complete deniability. They are protected from civil lawsuit because there is no way to prove their identity and receipt of money, plus no way to collect untraceable bitcoins.

A prospectus without an underwriter and filing with the SEC? What a joke! an IPO without an underwriter and investment bank? Hilarious. The prospectus will not be worth the ink and paper its written on. You might as well call it a marketing brochure. Calling it an IPO is a deception to make it seem more palatable and legal, (fudge advertising with misleading words) nothing could be further from the truth. This is NOT an IPO, it is them begging you to give them 30,000 BTC. IPO....LMAO

If you like the tech, buy it aftermarket. Let these Goldman Sachs advised guys make their money the same way as everyone else, launch it, mine and let the public decide how much it will be worth. If we as a community are stupid enough to give these guys 30,000 bitcoin then guess what will happen?
A herd of new ingenious, I have the best tech entities advised by wall street guys will come out with marketing videos and EVERY coin will want 36 million to launch plus 50% pre-mine. If we give these greedy wall street guys 30,000 btc and 50% pre-mine it will set a new precedent. Wall street guys, Goldman Sachs will introduce a new coin every week demanding more and more and the miners and bitcoin community will get churned and burned. I guarantee you this. This is just the beginning. Dont let them take over the crypto coin community with their greed. If you pay them 30,000 bitcoin and give them 50% pre-mine you are enabling them and giving them more incentive to take over the crypto community.

Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning - Yes it will be the beginning. The beginning of the end for miners and crypto investors. Do not enable this type of greed into the bitcoin community. You will destroy everything you have worked for by signaling to these type of people that we can be taken advantage of.
294  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 28, 2014, 01:50:55 AM
I am officially out of investing during the IPO.  This is just too much BS for me. I'll (maybe) buy them for much cheaper when mining starts

+1



+!

Exactly, by the public reaction you can tell that this will be way undersold.  They will unload millions of shares onto the public to pay obligatory commitments, the shares that were designated for pre-sale.  They will initially sink to the price that the market will accept.  The benefit will be that, you will signal to wall street that the bitcoin community will not be taken advantage of and you cannot gouge the miners and crypto investors.  
295  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 28, 2014, 01:07:25 AM
Ethereum seems like an interesting idea, which kind of makes me sad that it has such a horrible IPO structure. Far too high of a premine, too much inflation, too small of a stake for anyone investing in the IPO. The devs should not be given such a large stake. If they believe in Ethereum, they need to be investing their own BTC on equal terms with regular investors. Fixing this would require lowering the IPO cap, along with the inflation from mining. Otherwise, what's the point of investing when you can just invest in mining hardware with much less risk?

Exactly, let the market decide what it is worth based on its own merits.  Is it any wonder how this is the first coin with a slick video and asking for 30,000 bitcoin plus 50% mine plus huge salary?  They have a few guys on their team that work/worked for Goldman Sachs.  If the bitcoin community supports this type of action. it will be the beginning of the end for all the miners and crypto investors.  You will only be hurting yourself in the long run by supporting and signaling to every Goldman Sachs, wall street guy that the bitcoin community is willing to support this type of launch.
296  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 28, 2014, 12:34:38 AM
If the bitcoin community gives these wall street advised Ethereum 30,000 bitcoin and 50% pre-mine it will be game over for the miners and small investors in the crypto community.  Every coin launch will be backed and advised by people from Goldman Sachs, it will be 30,000+ bitcoin and 50% pre-mine on every launch.  This coin will set a precedent and signal to Goldman Sachs and their friends that they can exploit the bitcoin community with a slick video.

Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning - Yes it will be the beginning.  The beginning of the end for miners and crypto investors.  Do not enable this type of greed into the bitcoin community.  You will destroy everything you have worked for by signaling to these type of people that we can be taken advantage of.
297  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 28, 2014, 12:11:34 AM
These same guys that bashes anyone that has a negative stance on their greed, keeps steering away the conversation to the tech.  If you like the tech, buy it aftermarket.  Let these Goldman Sachs advised guys make their money the same way as everyone else, launch it, mine and let the public decide how much it will be worth.  If we as a community are stupid enough to give these guys 30,000 bitcoin then guess what will happen?

A herd of new ingenious, I have the best tech entities advised by wall street guys will come out with marketing videos and EVERY coin will want 36 million to launch plus 50% pre-mine. If we give these greedy wall street guys 30,000 btc and 50% pre-mine it will set a new precedent.  Wall street guys, Goldman Sachs will introuce a new coin every week demanding more and more and the miners and bitcoin community will get churned and burned.  I guarantee you this.  This is just the beginning.  Dont let them take over the crypto coin community with their  greed.  If you pay them 30,000 bitcoin and give them 50% pre-mine you are enabling them and giving them more incentive to take over the crypto community.
298  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 27, 2014, 11:58:40 PM
This thread is such a joke.

your contributing quite a lot  to make it  the joke it is.

That's because it is absolutely hilarious.  If I didnt see it for myself I wouldnt believe it.  One slick youtube ad and they want 30,000 Bitcoin from the BTC community.  The vapor tech may eventually be awesome, but by the time they launch, I GUARANTEE you there will be another coin that will tout better and more ingenious tech.  You want to give a bunch of strangers 30,000  BTC of your own money out of your pocket?  No venture capitalist in their right mind would touch this thing.  Not only will your shares dilute but you will be sadly mistaken if you think it wont be cloned and improved upon in one week.

They have a few guys that work/worked for Goldman Sachs on their team, is it any wonder that they are asking for 30,000 Bitcoin with no background checks, no insurance, no bonds, nothing.  They think the entire bitcoin community is so pumped on this crypto pump that they think we are a bunch of idiots willing to give them a truckload of money without any DUE DILIGENCE.
299  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 27, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
This thread is such a joke.  You have the EXACT three or four guys repeating over and over again what a great product it is and attacking and demoralizing anyone who has a negative opinion about it.  Go to just about any forum thats sells products and you see the same pattern.  Three or four shills pumping up the product throughout the entire thread making it seem like the entire community thinks it is awesome.  This crowdfundraising is a total scam job.  Who in their right mind gives 30,000 in untraceable bitcoins to a bunch of total strangers that refuse to file the proper paperwork that is required when crowdfundraising.  This legally required fundraising is designed to provide transparency and protect people against fraud.  This is not your average coin launch that does a percentage of pre-mine for advertising.  They lost their right of anonymity as small time devs just casually creating coins when they asked for 36 million dollars from the public. When you ask for that kind of cash, you MUST file the proper paperwork.

They are asking YOU and the entire bitcoin community to TRUST them and GIVE them 30,000 BTC before launch and make them millions before one coin is mined with absolutely no documentation, no insurance, no bond, no transparency, no regulatory filings.  Do not let them deceive you.  This is not just another coin launch.  When you ask for this type of money, you MUST file the proper paperwork and background checks.  Who are these guys?  ONE youtube video and they are asking for 30,000 BTC.  Let them earn their money like every other dev, mine a small part and let the market decide how much the coins should be worth. Even if you like the tech DO NOT enable this kind of behaviour and let these fukin devs take advantage of the bitcoin community.  They want to be millionaires with YOUR money before even launching.  They want YOU to take ALL the risk while they become millionaires with ZERO risk.    They will be laughing all the way to the bank in their new Lamborghinis and Homes, while you are nervous about your money the entire time.  They have no sweat equity or money in of their own in this project.  Does this seem right to you?
300  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN - NEW EXCHANGE] | www.CoinMarket.io | OFFICIAL THREAD on: January 27, 2014, 12:00:24 PM
I requested my 3018KDC 5 hours ago, still 0.1kdc in my wallet

still waiting ...

LOL I have 25,000 KDC and didnt request a withdrawal because I thought it might be a ridiculous low amount. (in terms of btc value)  He has just assured us that everything is fine and they are taking every precaution to make sure the security is good.  I will sleep good tonight.  Besides where  am I going to sell them even if I wanted to?  
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