[ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning

[Herp]

Lets have a more technical discussion please

I agree. I keep coming back to this thread *hoping* to see an actual discussion on the technical merits, challenges, and risks, but the trolls only want to talk about the IPO funding.

The good news about this thread is that it's helping me build my ignore list rather rapidly =)

There's some decent discussions on the Reddit thread... though it's starting to get run over by "IF I INVEST WHEN CAN I SELL" threads....

Seems like very legit and important question, one no one was able to answer yet. People need to know for how long they'll be stuck with it without being able to sell. I would like to know the answer to it as well.

[greentea]

seems like emunie is the only fundraising coin that is doing it right, whether you like them or not.

Months of public beta testing before the IPO as well as the founders themselves having to buy-in with no premine ... I wonder why they're not claiming they need to get paid for their work.  They seem to believe in their product more than the ether team does in theirs.

You have to respect that.

[turtoro]

This will be a revolution.

this is not a revolution, this is just bullshit. Propaganda has made you believe this is something special.


Ethereum may have decent tech backings. But the philosophy behind distribution and IPO fund raising is far below NXT. They basically want to give you sand for your gold. NXT asked for 21BTC to cover developments. Fine, totally fair IPO really. ETH is asking 30,000BTC!

Give them your BTC, support these devs and their counterparts with millions of dollars for a shitty coin.

Not only that, as soon as the IPO investments are distributed it immediately begins to decrease in value. From the first minute ETH launches, you are already losing your profit.


The only way this could possibly be any good is enough people supported this shit with a massive campaign and community. From what i've seen, 80% of this thread is a negative vibe towards eth. And not 1 comment from their PR? IPO is this week... pathetic.


Wake up man, this is almost as bad as a scam no matter how flashy their graphics or website is.
You can't sugar coat shit to make it taste better.



If you don't like NXT, then i suggest taking a look at eMunie. Fundamentally the same IPO, but a none whorish distribution. Those dudes have been working their asses off for 6-12months with maximum transparency, a beta client and solid features that will be launched on day 1. eMunie will work hard to make you a profit on your investment, not work hard to degrade it. http://emunie.com/

-1*1000 in my opinion. But hey, we are lucky enough to be involved in the next big industry a la internet circa 1995. do your own diligence folks

[HinnomTX]

This will be a revolution.

this is not a revolution, this is just bullshit. <snip>

+1

+1
Look, I'll point my miners at ETH, but I'm not giving BTCs at a fixed initial exchange rate to this speculative platform. I can understand the need to raise money to get started, but it's better to let the market debate the platform's potential value, just like all the other coins.  You're not getting an insider advantage here. That's an illusion. Keep in mind, almost all IPOs go below their IPO price at some point. Patience is your friend.

Since there's effectively a 50% pre-mine here, AND they will dilute ETH's in the future, it's hashing only for me.

[MsCollec]

seems like emunie is the only fundraising coin that is doing it right, whether you like them or not.

Months of public beta testing before the IPO as well as the founders themselves having to buy-in with no premine ... I wonder why they're not claiming they need to get paid for their work.  They seem to believe in their product more than the ether team does in theirs.

You have to respect that.

+1 eMunie is the true second generation coin

[ddink7]

seems like emunie is the only fundraising coin that is doing it right, whether you like them or not.

Months of public beta testing before the IPO as well as the founders themselves having to buy-in with no premine ... I wonder why they're not claiming they need to get paid for their work.  They seem to believe in their product more than the ether team does in theirs.

You have to respect that.

Ironically, users of this very forum drove the creator away and caused his released to be delayed multiple times with their FUD and scam accusations.

[msin]

seems like emunie is the only fundraising coin that is doing it right, whether you like them or not.

Months of public beta testing before the IPO as well as the founders themselves having to buy-in with no premine ... I wonder why they're not claiming they need to get paid for their work.  They seem to believe in their product more than the ether team does in theirs.

You have to respect that.

Ironically, users of this very forum drove the creator away and caused his released to be delayed multiple times with their FUD and scam accusations.

I've beta tested eMu and it's pretty nice, the inflationary model isn't for everyone and the ROI won't be as substantial as other Alt coins, but it has the potential to be very disruptive as a spenders currency.

[klee]

eMunie lol 

[MsCollec]

eMu is taking over this thread   after so such FUD

[SyRenity]

Off-topic, but I find it funny how every time that eMunie is mentioned in any topic, the Nxt "knights" immediately jump in to bash it.

I still trying to figure out if it's because you have 100% facts that it's a scam to relieve all of us from our precious coins, or it just because it supposed to provide all 2nd gen capabilities from day one on a mature and well tested platform, which Nxt only plans to add sometime in future, and may well crash Nxt valuation back to December levels?


Also, didn't we all agreed couple of pages ago to focus on Ethereum in this thread?

[msin]

Off-topic, but I find it funny how every time that eMunie is mentioned in any topic, the Nxt "knights" immediately jump in to bash it.

I still trying to figure out if it's because you have 100% facts that it's a scam to relieve all of us from our precious coins, or it just because it supposed to provide all 2nd gen features from day one on mature and well tested platform, features that Nxt only plans to add sometime in future, and may well crash Nxt valuation back to December levels?


Also, didn't we all agreed to focus on Ethereum in this thread?

I'm heavily involved in Nxt, and my post above is not bashing eMu at all, in fact most Nxt people like eMu and think it will co-exist just fine.  I think it's just a vocal minority.  Now back to less interesting topics, Ethereum.

[Herp]

eMunie lol  

Hmm just checked eMunie and seems interesting due to some 2.0 features and also for the anonymity factor. Thing is, though, built-in anonymity might not play well with some people. I can see the appeal though.

[tk808]

Off-topic, but I find it funny how every time that eMunie is mentioned in any topic, the Nxt "knights" immediately jump in to bash it.

I still trying to figure out if it's because you have 100% facts that it's a scam to relieve all of us from our precious coins, or it just because it supposed to provide all 2nd gen capabilities from day one on a mature and well tested platform, which Nxt only plans to add sometime in future, and may well crash Nxt valuation back to December levels?


Also, didn't we all agreed couple of pages ago to focus on Ethereum in this thread?

I'm a heavy supporter of NXT, i'm a supporter of eMunie. eMunie is tech advancement, that has a lot of hard work into it.

When it comes to Ethereum though, i have no bias towards the tech advancements or features...etc.

What i have a problem with is the greedy cunts behind this project. And for that reason, this coin will not be a huge success. IPO valuation is not from this planet, public relations are non-existant and the reliance on puppets for propaganda is very high.

50% of the good talk towards eth on this thread has been from paid promoters. 30,000 btc is at stake, of course they are going to fake the hype with this shit.

the other 50% of people believe in the technology have 20 btc to spare in this, and the rest are just brainwashed by the bullshit, believing they are going to make a ROI. There is no ROI to be made by funding the IPO.

Instead take your BTC, buy a rig and get ready to mine this shit like every alt on day 1.

[Herp]

Off-topic, but I find it funny how every time that eMunie is mentioned in any topic, the Nxt "knights" immediately jump in to bash it.

I still trying to figure out if it's because you have 100% facts that it's a scam to relieve all of us from our precious coins, or it just because it supposed to provide all 2nd gen capabilities from day one on a mature and well tested platform, which Nxt only plans to add sometime in future, and may well crash Nxt valuation back to December levels?


Also, didn't we all agreed couple of pages ago to focus on Ethereum in this thread?

I'm a heavy supporter of NXT, i'm a supporter of eMunie. eMunie is tech advancement, that has a lot of hard work into it.

When it comes to Ethereum though, i have no bias towards the tech advancements or features...etc.

What i have a problem with is the greedy cunts behind this project. And for that reason, this coin will not be a huge success. IPO valuation is not from this planet, public relations are non-existant and the reliance on puppets for propaganda is very high.

50% of the good talk towards eth on this thread has been from paid promoters. 30,000 btc is at stake, of course they are going to fake the hype with this shit.

the other 50% of people believe in the technology have 20 btc to spare in this, and the rest are just brainwashed by the bullshit, believing they are going to make a ROI. There is no ROI to be made by funding the IPO.

Instead take your BTC, buy a rig and get ready to mine this shit like every alt on day 1.

Just found out this about eMunie "Coupled with a built in self regulating supply and demand model, eMunie strives to be an actual currency instead of a commodity by encouraging spending instead of hoarding. "http://wiki.emunie.com/index.php/Main_Page


So f.. that. Thanks but no thanks!

[gutshot5820]

This thread is such a joke.  You have the EXACT three or four guys repeating over and over again what a great product it is and attacking and demoralizing anyone who has a negative opinion about it.  Go to just about any forum thats sells products and you see the same pattern.  Three or four shills pumping up the product throughout the entire thread making it seem like the entire community thinks it is awesome.  This crowdfundraising is a total scam job.  Who in their right mind gives 30,000 in untraceable bitcoins to a bunch of total strangers that refuse to file the proper paperwork that is required when crowdfundraising.  This legally required fundraising is designed to provide transparency and protect people against fraud.  This is not your average coin launch that does a percentage of pre-mine for advertising.  They lost their right of anonymity as small time devs just casually creating coins when they asked for 36 million dollars from the public. When you ask for that kind of cash, you MUST file the proper paperwork.

They are asking YOU and the entire bitcoin community to TRUST them and GIVE them 30,000 BTC before launch and make them millions before one coin is mined with absolutely no documentation, no insurance, no bond, no transparency, no regulatory filings.  Do not let them deceive you.  This is not just another coin launch.  When you ask for this type of money, you MUST file the proper paperwork and background checks.  Who are these guys?  ONE youtube video and they are asking for 30,000 BTC.  Let them earn their money like every other dev, mine a small part and let the market decide how much the coins should be worth. Even if you like the tech DO NOT enable this kind of behaviour and let these fukin devs take advantage of the bitcoin community.  They want to be millionaires with YOUR money before even launching.  They want YOU to take ALL the risk while they become millionaires with ZERO risk.    They will be laughing all the way to the bank in their new Lamborghinis and Homes, while you are nervous about your money the entire time.  They have no sweat equity or money in of their own in this project.  Does this seem right to you?

[mumung]

seems like emunie is the only fundraising coin that is doing it right, whether you like them or not.

Months of public beta testing before the IPO as well as the founders themselves having to buy-in with no premine ... I wonder why they're not claiming they need to get paid for their work.  They seem to believe in their product more than the ether team does in theirs.

You have to respect that.

+1 eMunie is the true second generation coin

oh well .... *so sad*

[mumung]

This thread is such a joke. 

your contributing quite a lot  to make it  the joke it is.

[gutshot5820]

This thread is such a joke.

your contributing quite a lot  to make it  the joke it is.

That's because it is absolutely hilarious.  If I didnt see it for myself I wouldnt believe it.  One slick youtube ad and they want 30,000 Bitcoin from the BTC community.  The vapor tech may eventually be awesome, but by the time they launch, I GUARANTEE you there will be another coin that will tout better and more ingenious tech.  You want to give a bunch of strangers 30,000  BTC of your own money out of your pocket?  No venture capitalist in their right mind would touch this thing.  Not only will your shares dilute but you will be sadly mistaken if you think it wont be cloned and improved upon in one week.

They have a few guys that work/worked for Goldman Sachs on their team, is it any wonder that they are asking for 30,000 Bitcoin with no background checks, no insurance, no bonds, nothing.  They think the entire bitcoin community is so pumped on this crypto pump that they think we are a bunch of idiots willing to give them a truckload of money without any DUE DILIGENCE.

[HinnomTX]

<snip>
They are asking YOU and the entire bitcoin community to TRUST them and GIVE them 30,000 BTC before launch and make them millions before one coin is mined with absolutely no documentation, no insurance, no bond, no transparency, no regulatory filings.  Do not let them deceive you.  This is not just another coin launch.  When you ask for this type of money, you MUST file the proper paperwork and background checks.  Who are these guys?  ONE youtube video and they are asking for 30,000 BTC.  Let them earn their money like every other dev, mine a small part and let the market decide how much the coins should be worth. <snip>

+1
They need to have a small pre-mine for funding, then let the market decide the merchantability of the platform. This aligns their interests with ours. I want the developers to be hungry to succeed for the long haul.
The way the launch is structured, crafted by ex-GS banksters, should alert everyone that we are reaching peak greed and are being played for fools vis a vis the Nasdaq in 1999.  Don't be a desperate investor here. You are not gaining any insider advantage by investing at this time. I am certain there will be opportunities after launch to put money to work more efficiently than at IPO time.
 
 

 

[gutshot5820]

These same guys that bashes anyone that has a negative stance on their greed, keeps steering away the conversation to the tech.  If you like the tech, buy it aftermarket.  Let these Goldman Sachs advised guys make their money the same way as everyone else, launch it, mine and let the public decide how much it will be worth.  If we as a community are stupid enough to give these guys 30,000 bitcoin then guess what will happen?

A herd of new ingenious, I have the best tech entities advised by wall street guys will come out with marketing videos and EVERY coin will want 36 million to launch plus 50% pre-mine. If we give these greedy wall street guys 30,000 btc and 50% pre-mine it will set a new precedent.  Wall street guys, Goldman Sachs will introuce a new coin every week demanding more and more and the miners and bitcoin community will get churned and burned.  I guarantee you this.  This is just the beginning.  Dont let them take over the crypto coin community with their  greed.  If you pay them 30,000 bitcoin and give them 50% pre-mine you are enabling them and giving them more incentive to take over the crypto community.