first off I never said that I was smart enough to create a solution for it and by your attitude you seem to be in the same boat as me.
The only difference is that all you know how to do is complain instead of trying to push forward.
You are the standard douche bag internet smarty pants that the web seems to be crawling with, don't forget that.
One day maybe you'll grow up and be able to see outside you shitty box. insults doesn't make you right you call me a kid your posts shows the true kid if you say criticizing is complaining you need to learn more you probably gone neck deep in this and need this to work so badly so everytime you detect someone saying something bad you throw insults and talk crap its endless talking to you as you need this to work by your desperation it seems like you made a mistake investing here |
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didn't say smart contracts are the be all, lisk has it so ofcourse i'm gonna relate it to that if they got something else then please do tell so we can take a look at that
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I'm semi concerned about that too. But, I'm much more interested in seeing the project attempt to work through all of this and develop something meaningful. Further, I'm also really interested in seeing a roadmap and team update/tech update on the plans for the millions of dollars - what devs are being hired? What's the plan? Where is this going in the vision of the team in place currently. Right now there is not much brain power focused towards LISK - reading through this thread shows that 99% of the people here just want absurdly crazy ROI at any cost. Very little talk is about development or use cases almost all of it is just plain "moon for moon's sake". Curious to see what substance the team can put together for 5 million bucks. How funny LISK don't even have DAPPS javascript is not compatiable and this aint even FUD amazing the only real fud they have against ethereum is that solidity language they're using is not popular
there is a reason why vitalik didnt use JS for the back end because it wont work for their plan lisk can be coded to play games like hangman, free candy crusher or flipper remember FUN APPS not fun dapps
if you ask me they hyped up the coin for something they dont have
$5.9million for 1 year work nice wage maan
if you ask me rtcrypto how did they raise all that. i wasnt here from the start so dont really want to go back 600 pages but did they have some marketing campaign going on how did they hype all this to raise so much. well as a trader i'm not happy i never bought as a investor/developer happy i didn't. i couldn't buy this at ICO price if i had the chance without seeing what they have planned and seeing through their double meanings lol..there's no way a coin written in javascript will survive the strommin'.. yubikeys haxxors lol ..proofs?  Dear Fudders: gembitz, wasref, mxhwrSorry to break it to you, but JavaScript is the #1 choice for developing web applications these days. And with Node.js, JavaScript has spilled over to the server side. JavaScript interpreters have become quite advanced, so that Google's V8 engine is quite fast, fast enough to reside at the core of Node.js. I suggest you run to a nearby magazine stand and pick up this month's edition of Web Designer magazine to learn about future of JavaScript Apps: http://www.webdesignermag.co.uk/web-designer-245-on-sale-now/thanks will look at it see javascript is great for making apps a great UI and web apps etc but it being linked to crypto currency is the issue here. im sure they not building apps to make it look pretty it needs function well with crypto currencies. that's the challenge and most of us find it hard to see how it would work considering javascript when applied to crypto currency this is my concern "Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)." lisk may be able to make great apps easily but deploying contracts etc using javascripts and cryptocurrency for those apps is going to be challenging. also they dont have dapps right now on launch they won't have dapps you can make apps. so the biggest concern you keep bringing up is the vocabulary used on dapps and apps? This is what happens in real life, Javascript has issues, some smart person comes around and CREATES a solution for that issue, Javascript has one less issue, REPEAT I remember what javascript was like before node.js, You think they didn't shout from the mountain tops that JS couldn't handle serverside shit before node.js? BIG NUMBER SOLUTION: bignumbers.js Shit happens and things get solved. Smart contracts are not the be all end all of crypto. It just happens to be the Buzzword of the times. to a regular person yes they would notice vocabulary but if you knew what dapps is and apps are then you know why im stating it. lisk states they have dapps and that youl be able to build dapps at launch when you clearly can't and liskHQ confirmed this indirectly. also there are many problems that need solutions ofcourse we can say yes we will solve it we will solve it but until it is actually solved nothing they don't say dont mean anything ofcourse if they say we work to do it fair enough but here you got the problem no solution and your claiming it will work thats misleading again. "Javascript has issues," yes it does when it comes to crypto currencies when it comes to apps no "some smart person comes around and CREATES a solution for that issue," yes i'm waiting for you to show me the solution and the smart person who does it. do you have the code and the person Javascript has one less issue" until there is one,there is the issue |
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I'm semi concerned about that too. But, I'm much more interested in seeing the project attempt to work through all of this and develop something meaningful. Further, I'm also really interested in seeing a roadmap and team update/tech update on the plans for the millions of dollars - what devs are being hired? What's the plan? Where is this going in the vision of the team in place currently. Right now there is not much brain power focused towards LISK - reading through this thread shows that 99% of the people here just want absurdly crazy ROI at any cost. Very little talk is about development or use cases almost all of it is just plain "moon for moon's sake". Curious to see what substance the team can put together for 5 million bucks. How funny LISK don't even have DAPPS javascript is not compatiable and this aint even FUD amazing the only real fud they have against ethereum is that solidity language they're using is not popular
there is a reason why vitalik didnt use JS for the back end because it wont work for their plan lisk can be coded to play games like hangman, free candy crusher or flipper remember FUN APPS not fun dapps
if you ask me they hyped up the coin for something they dont have
$5.9million for 1 year work nice wage maan
if you ask me rtcrypto how did they raise all that. i wasnt here from the start so dont really want to go back 600 pages but did they have some marketing campaign going on how did they hype all this to raise so much. well as a trader i'm not happy i never bought as a investor/developer happy i didn't. i couldn't buy this at ICO price if i had the chance without seeing what they have planned and seeing through their double meanings lol..there's no way a coin written in javascript will survive the strommin'.. yubikeys haxxors lol ..proofs? Dear Fudders: gembitz, wasref, mxhwrSorry to break it to you, but JavaScript is the #1 choice for developing web applications these days. And with Node.js, JavaScript has spilled over to the server side. JavaScript interpreters have become quite advanced, so that Google's V8 engine is quite fast, fast enough to reside at the core of Node.js. I suggest you run to a nearby magazine stand and pick up this month's edition of Web Designer magazine to learn about future of JavaScript Apps: http://www.webdesignermag.co.uk/web-designer-245-on-sale-now/  thanks will look at it see javascript is great for making apps a great UI and web apps etc but it being linked to crypto currency is the issue here. im sure they not building apps to make it look pretty it needs function well with crypto currencies. that's the challenge and most of us find it hard to see how it would work considering javascript when applied to crypto currency this is my concern "Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)." lisk may be able to make great apps easily but deploying contracts etc using javascripts and cryptocurrency for those apps is going to be challenging. also they dont have dapps right now on launch they won't have dapps you can make apps. |
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I'm semi concerned about that too. But, I'm much more interested in seeing the project attempt to work through all of this and develop something meaningful. Further, I'm also really interested in seeing a roadmap and team update/tech update on the plans for the millions of dollars - what devs are being hired? What's the plan? Where is this going in the vision of the team in place currently. Right now there is not much brain power focused towards LISK - reading through this thread shows that 99% of the people here just want absurdly crazy ROI at any cost. Very little talk is about development or use cases almost all of it is just plain "moon for moon's sake". Curious to see what substance the team can put together for 5 million bucks. How funny LISK don't even have DAPPS javascript is not compatiable and this aint even FUD amazing the only real fud they have against ethereum is that solidity language they're using is not popular
there is a reason why vitalik didnt use JS for the back end because it wont work for their plan lisk can be coded to play games like hangman, free candy crusher or flipper remember FUN APPS not fun dapps
if you ask me they hyped up the coin for something they dont have
$5.9million for 1 year work nice wage maan
if you ask me rtcrypto how did they raise all that. i wasnt here from the start so dont really want to go back 600 pages but did they have some marketing campaign going on how did they hype all this to raise so much. well as a trader i'm not happy i never bought as a investor/developer happy i didn't. i couldn't buy this at ICO price if i had the chance without seeing what they have planned and seeing through their double meanings |
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It could happen, yes. That is why I was interested in XCR and now LISK. Let's see what happens. I hope you are right and that we go moon. That would be the best for me. I see what you mean, but, most "simply fun" apps don't really need to be decentralized. Now, building a serious poker engine or gambling engine or bringing on financial applications more generally into javascript? This is a problem I'd like to see addressed - how serious are the limitations of javascript for these sorts of use cases? Maybe there are legitimate ways around the problem? Ethereum is using solidity for a reason, the fact that everything happens on chain is even more of an incentive to make sure things behave as they are intended to behave. In LISK, I think a possible advantage would be in that everything runs on a side chain - but, this opens up all kinds of questions about how chains interact and how the entire system reaches consensus on what is happening. LISK might find a space that is worth hundreds of billions with "just fun" apps. So it might not matter. But, many of the serious and interesting use cases being explored and thought about in this space don't seem like a good fit for the architecture of LISK. Yes, this is a serious problem. In the end LISK might be useful for fun dapps, but serious financial applications are not going to be built on javascript. There is a reason for ETH using "a complicated language", as some have put it here. LISK might still find uses anyway, let's see... but, the idea that it will simple swallow Ethereum up is absurd. People are in for a disappointment if they think that this is what will happen. also as developers can use nodejs javascript on ethereum why aernt they using it now anyway
got my answer i read your reply
basically ethereum can use javascript for front end but for back end it has to be solidity.
could it be this reason why they dont want to use javascript for the backend
"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."
Of course. How could be innovative in 2016 a javascript coin? Lol, javascript,useful only for html site. So,the biggest developer spent years studyng C++,Golang, now we are back in 1999 with javascript? lol. Crazy. what percentage of existing apps are in the "serious financial applications" category of apps and what percentage are in the "fun" category (not sure how you are defining "fun" here)? the opportunity is where the masses play. they may not need to be decentralised but if the Javascript developer can increase his or her margins by dapping an existing app then they will do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unnu2ov2w2Qi have concerns about market adoption for Waves. not for Lisk. waves is different to lisk so wouldn't compare as i do think they have one thing in common misleading |
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Question remains:
Eth comes out with completly full decentralized app from beginning and full functionally smart contracts.
Lisk comes out with NO decentralized app. Maybe later......
So,this is enough for me to understand the differences.
Eth didn't release anything for half a year... Yup. Oh well you can't fully persuade an eth lover. no I can understand it. Eth is for sure a good future as well. But I hate those black and white seeing. Everything has its possibilities... We will have thousands of companies, that fund over a blockchain. And at the beginning everything will grow probably. Like 1990 any computer/software company grew. When will people understand that... sure but why mislead to raise funds. doesn't look right plus what lisk is doing can be done another coin does its not totally unique other than its the one that only uses javascript fully. does it deserve a million dollar cap yes because of side chain is good for long run no. like rtccrypto said its good for fun dapps for using to earn large income i think not. does $5.9million ico justify it my opinion not. i won't get into a price war as i am not interested an i'l put it out there i'm not invested in this. i was in ethereum as i like their approach something new and although the code is not popular its not hard to learn. amazing $5.9million dollars raised just wow |
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I see what you mean, but, most "simply fun" apps don't really need to be decentralized. Now, building a serious poker engine or gambling engine or bringing on financial applications more generally into javascript? This is a problem I'd like to see addressed - how serious are the limitations of javascript for these sorts of use cases? Maybe there are legitimate ways around the problem? Ethereum is using solidity for a reason, the fact that everything happens on chain is even more of an incentive to make sure things behave as they are intended to behave. In LISK, I think a possible advantage would be in that everything runs on a side chain - but, this opens up all kinds of questions about how chains interact and how the entire system reaches consensus on what is happening. LISK might find a space that is worth hundreds of billions with "just fun" apps. So it might not matter. But, many of the serious and interesting use cases being explored and thought about in this space don't seem like a good fit for the architecture of LISK. Yes, this is a serious problem. In the end LISK might be useful for fun dapps, but serious financial applications are not going to be built on javascript. There is a reason for ETH using "a complicated language", as some have put it here. LISK might still find uses anyway, let's see... but, the idea that it will simple swallow Ethereum up is absurd. People are in for a disappointment if they think that this is what will happen. also as developers can use nodejs javascript on ethereum why aernt they using it now anyway
got my answer i read your reply
basically ethereum can use javascript for front end but for back end it has to be solidity.
could it be this reason why they dont want to use javascript for the backend
"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."
Of course. How could be innovative in 2016 a javascript coin? Lol, javascript,useful only for html site. So,the biggest developer spent years studyng C++,Golang, now we are back in 1999 with javascript? lol. Crazy. what percentage of existing apps are in the "serious financial applications" category of apps and what percentage are in the "fun" category (not sure how you are defining "fun" here)? the opportunity is where the masses play. side chain is created for the app but not the code. the code itself is not stored on the blockchain. its stored on a zip file which is then linked to the blockchain. dev says they have not implemented in the roadmap yet when they plant to use IPFS but that is there plan. considering the marketing all they seem to say is javascript is more popular than solidity which it is ofcourse but is it a better solution no. they say they have dapps but they dont and will not have it at launch. they raise this much money by saying they have dapps and they never is hugely misleading. lisk isnt a scam i dont doubt the team but they aern't clear on what they say. it seems they take a small point and blow it up out of porportion. didn't lisk say they were in partnership with shapeshift.io which got some big hype but they werent they were simply holding or dealing funds not sure il find more info on this. again misleading because when they partnership it means working together but they are not working together really hope it doesnt up like crypti. they have the funds now so nothing can be done just hope they do actually make dapps and hope this JS actually work |
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Yes, this is a serious problem. In the end LISK might be useful for fun dapps, but serious financial applications are not going to be built on javascript. There is a reason for ETH using "a complicated language", as some have put it here. LISK might still find uses anyway, let's see... but, the idea that it will simple swallow Ethereum up is absurd. People are in for a disappointment if they think that this is what will happen. also as developers can use nodejs javascript on ethereum why aernt they using it now anyway
got my answer i read your reply
basically ethereum can use javascript for front end but for back end it has to be solidity.
could it be this reason why they dont want to use javascript for the backend
"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."
Of course. How could be innovative in 2016 a javascript coin? Lol, javascript,useful only for html site. So,the biggest developer spent years studyng C++,Golang, now we are back in 1999 with javascript? lol. Crazy. you can build apps not dapps on lisk yet |
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also as developers can use nodejs javascript on ethereum why aernt they using it now anyway
got my answer i read your reply
basically ethereum can use javascript for front end but for back end it has to be solidity.
could it be this reason why they dont want to use javascript for the backend
"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."
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Lisk claims you can they have dapps yet they dont store the code on the blockchain they store it in a zip file and just link it to the chain. wow did anyone know this? how does that make it decentralized app
Bitcoin isn't decentralized as well, right? We also mentioned, that in the future we will support decentralized technologies like IPFS.  of course bitcoin isn't decentralized, so currently at launch you wont have dapps Sorry, but what are you saying? you should really moderate this thread doesnt look appealing for a $5.9million coin
You do see that I post less and less here, right? We are all on our own forum and chat. Bitcointalk is just noise at this point of time. Serious discussions are somewhere else. no you said that in the future you will support decentralized technologies like ipfs so currently you are supporting centralized technologies? |
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Lisk claims you can they have dapps yet they dont store the code on the blockchain they store it in a zip file and just link it to the chain. wow did anyone know this? how does that make it decentralized app
That is correct, in the initial phase Lisk doesn't have decentralized storage for apps and it will be just HTTP stored .ZIP files. But there will be, it's on their roadmap to implement that soon. If I recall correctly, it will support IPFS: https://ipfs.ioso basically they dont currently have dapps Not having decentralized storage (yet) is not the same as not having dApps. dApps can be hosted anywhere, so yes: there can be working dApps for Lisk. They are not yet stored decentralized until IPFS (or others like SIA, Maidsafe, Storj?) or other decentralized storage is supported. no if lisk is claiming to have dapps it should be stored on their own blockchain which can't be altered storing it in a zip file on third party hosting is not decentralized. they currently have apps then. im getting confused with your posts first you say dapps can be stored anywhere then you say its not yet stored until decentralized ipfs so basically where is it currently stored that makes it decentralized. the code has to be on the blockchain once its on there its on there. i understand what your saying to make it decentralized basically host it on a decentralized storage platform, in a way that would make sense i get of op post it doesnt so until it isnt right where are zip files currently stored then |
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the more research im doing on this its getting worrying most of this thread is total bullshit just about what the price will be which most investors speculating on the yobit exchange which makes investors look more silly and makes it so much obvious they want to dump. you should really moderate this thread doesnt look appealing for a $5.9million coin
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Lisk claims you can they have dapps yet they dont store the code on the blockchain they store it in a zip file and just link it to the chain. wow did anyone know this? how does that make it decentralized app
That is correct, in the initial phase Lisk doesn't have decentralized storage for apps and it will be just HTTP stored .ZIP files. But there will be, it's on their roadmap to implement that soon. If I recall correctly, it will support IPFS: https://ipfs.ioso basically they dont currently have dapps |
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Lisk claims you can they have dapps yet they dont store the code on the blockchain they store it in a zip file and just link it to the chain. wow did anyone know this? how does that make it decentralized app
Bitcoin isn't decentralized as well, right? We also mentioned, that in the future we will support decentralized technologies like IPFS. of course bitcoin isn't decentralized, so currently at launch you wont have dapps |
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Lisk claims you can they have dapps yet they dont store the code on the blockchain they store it in a zip file and just link it to the chain. wow did anyone know this? how does that make it decentralized app
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This... "Since Ethereum is running contracts on the blockchain and Lisk is sort of running Dapp on the blockchain (sidechain?), you could see why having a weakly typed language could result in problems, specifically regarding consensus. It is much better to know the problem before it turns into an immutable thing on the chain, rather than discover all funds are trapped, or you fork the blockchain the first time someone tries to interact with it."...could turn out as a (very) weak point with Ethereum. Because all ETH-contracts are running on the Blockchain while Lisk will use Sidechains. That's the most important point in my opinion and the reason why I don't invest in Ethereum but bought into the Lisk-ICO. It's the complexity of Ethereum that I consider as problematic and it's the base-simplicity of Lisk that could turn out as much more stable and scaleable. Interesting read about Ethereum and possible coming problems: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1361602.0ethereum has problems too im not claiming ethereum is the solution to decentralization just stating lisk has even bigger problems do you not agree with this "Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)." |
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ethercrap is a vaporware and useless, it's sound like language within language within language which is just a waste of not necessary times. one thing this scammer team good is to touch at every corners of craps and creating many hypes and terms as possible. why i'm hating this crap so much is because it is annoying the crap outta me the level they think their 8 grade coding skill is very good. even if this crap is working flawless, it is still no adoption but in this case this crap is just a vaporware http://www.coindesk.com/three-smart-contract-misconceptions/that article dont say they are useless just say smart contracts overhyped |
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came across this link its worth a read. i think it will really shows the winner hands down
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you telling me this is objective and you wanted discussion?!? its my opinion, my conclusion on what i thought its not like anything i say is final. a dicussion is based on difference on opinion that was mine i'd like to hear others if they agree/disagree whatever, this comes off more of an I'm a ETH fanboi and here's all the reasons I could find why you should pump ETH again instead of taking a look at lisk type shit considering there is NO counter argument. your entitled to your opinion. i came across lisk as it was comparing it to eth saying it was better did my research and as it hasnt been mentioned here id like to know what other's think. im simply looking at why is lisk saying they are better ive not spoke about eth price but your reaction makes you obvious. |
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