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Lisk claims you can they have dapps yet they dont store the code on the blockchain they store it in a zip file and just link it to the chain. wow did anyone know this? how does that make it decentralized app
Bitcoin isn't decentralized as well, right? We also mentioned, that in the future we will support decentralized technologies like IPFS.  of course bitcoin isn't decentralized, so currently at launch you wont have dapps Sorry, but what are you saying? you should really moderate this thread doesnt look appealing for a $5.9million coin
You do see that I post less and less here, right? We are all on our own forum and chat. Bitcointalk is just noise at this point of time. Serious discussions are somewhere else. no you said that in the future you will support decentralized technologies like ipfs so currently you are supporting centralized technologies? |
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April 19, 2016, 08:52:54 AM |
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Looks like the Co-Founder of MyEtherWallet.com is trying hard to smear Lisk to keep her ETH wallet business from collapsing. Someone please respond on stackexchange to defend Lisk and let us know so we can upvote your answer. that girl is a joke. In her statements she only has one small line talking about lisk but then 3 paragraphs talking about eth. Then even in the what/who is lisk? section she just uses it as a platform to praise eth. if you look at the page, the first statement is "I'm not a huge fan of lisk" lol, very objective. This girl is as stupid as can be. yeah, and i'd never heard of her before Lisk came along. what's the betting she's hedged? must be milking the lisk vs. eth for everything it's worth. tayvano - "I'm not as familiar with Solidity as I should be". |
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bitfish
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April 19, 2016, 09:23:37 AM |
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These pictures are utterly ridiculous, and most unfortunate, shameful for Lisk and Max. You should delete them before they are distributed to other corners. Look at their profiles, what have each accomplished. Mr. Buterin is a proven mathematician and cryptographer who has held countless presentations, wrote outstanding academic papers and has been involved in technical discussion at the highest level over the past years, and you reduce him to visuals and being 'pumped' or not. How utterly primitive. Max on the other hand has just finished university studies and has no experience whatsoever at a deeper intellectual level, say technological understanding. He is a young aspiring business man, pumped up to bring Lisk to Life. Wish him luck, may this experience be his stepping stone. Attract/pay the right people Max!
There is one thing Max is leading the competition: He has abandoned 2 projects. Perhaps there soon will be 3  Popcorn time when/if Lisk will be distributed... Let's see your resume bitard. My friend, I don't want to shock you. Therefore - sorry to say that my resume has to remain private. Good luck with your learning by doing. LOL come at me bro, I don't think you could shock me. I know many rich/successful people. micro resume to match your micro dick right? Everyone thinks they are so much fucking smarter than everyone else here. When will the madness end. If you are smart then you know project failure happens even to the smartest of asshats. It's even better to have failed multiple times than to be a success right away. Being resilient, smart enough, and lucky are more important than having the highest IQ. Some people just have no luck and I guarantee you are not smarter than this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_LanganThx for that link. Interesting guy. I'll check it out later when I have time. |
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mxhwr
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April 19, 2016, 09:26:07 AM |
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no reply?
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bitbitch
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April 19, 2016, 09:37:29 AM |
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no reply?
and so your conclusion is...that it's a scam, right? |
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April 19, 2016, 10:25:35 AM |
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I replied to that StackOverflow post: http://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/2104/how-does-lisk-differ-from-ethereum/3176#3176It may not be the most technical answer, but Oliver is busy coding. He doesn't have the time to defend Lisk from people who are just trying to discredit it. As we said at the beginning of Lisk, just wait and see. We can talk all day, but at the end of the day our results will speak for themselves.
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bitbitch
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April 19, 2016, 10:31:52 AM |
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nice reply, but you really do need to get that legal entity incorporated. as i said before, it's something that should have been put in place at the beginning of this entire process. |
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tempus
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April 19, 2016, 10:56:59 AM |
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rhizome666
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April 19, 2016, 11:01:38 AM |
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Very good argument for a beautiful project !  |
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jeremy grol
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April 19, 2016, 11:22:47 AM |
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Lisk doesn't have decentralize app!!
Open your eyes people!
Surely they will tell you that will be done in future....yes always soon,later,bla,bla.
It will not be launch with decentralized app. Basically it just another altcoin, nothing to compare with REAL dapps from eth.
No fuddig, just learn how to read code on github.
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mxhwr
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April 19, 2016, 11:24:09 AM |
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also as developers can use nodejs javascript on ethereum why aernt they using it now anyway
got my answer i read your reply
basically ethereum can use javascript for front end but for back end it has to be solidity.
could it be this reason why they dont want to use javascript for the backend
"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."
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jeremy grol
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April 19, 2016, 11:31:18 AM |
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also as developers can use nodejs javascript on ethereum why aernt they using it now anyway
got my answer i read your reply
basically ethereum can use javascript for front end but for back end it has to be solidity.
could it be this reason why they dont want to use javascript for the backend
"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."
Of course. How could be innovative in 2016 a javascript coin? Lol, javascript,useful only for html site. So,the biggest developer spent years studyng C++,Golang, now we are back in 1999 with javascript? lol. Crazy. |
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rtrtcrypto
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April 19, 2016, 11:37:21 AM |
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Yes, this is a serious problem. In the end LISK might be useful for fun dapps, but serious financial applications are not going to be built on javascript. There is a reason for ETH using "a complicated language", as some have put it here. LISK might still find uses anyway, let's see... but, the idea that it will simple swallow Ethereum up is absurd. People are in for a disappointment if they think that this is what will happen. also as developers can use nodejs javascript on ethereum why aernt they using it now anyway
got my answer i read your reply
basically ethereum can use javascript for front end but for back end it has to be solidity.
could it be this reason why they dont want to use javascript for the backend
"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."
Of course. How could be innovative in 2016 a javascript coin? Lol, javascript,useful only for html site. So,the biggest developer spent years studyng C++,Golang, now we are back in 1999 with javascript? lol. Crazy. |
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April 19, 2016, 11:37:37 AM |
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Perfect, "I say it again, we are in this "game" together." That's why I do not understand this whole controversy between Lisk and Ethereum. We are all in the same boat guys... |
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April 19, 2016, 11:41:52 AM
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also as developers can use nodejs javascript on ethereum why aernt they using it now anyway
got my answer i read your reply
basically ethereum can use javascript for front end but for back end it has to be solidity.
could it be this reason why they dont want to use javascript for the backend
"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."
Of course. How could be innovative in 2016 a javascript coin? Lol, javascript,useful only for html site. So,the biggest developer spent years studyng C++,Golang, now we are back in 1999 with javascript? lol. Crazy. the TCR thread is somewhere else. fudster. |
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mxhwr
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April 19, 2016, 11:47:02 AM |
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Yes, this is a serious problem. In the end LISK might be useful for fun dapps, but serious financial applications are not going to be built on javascript. There is a reason for ETH using "a complicated language", as some have put it here. LISK might still find uses anyway, let's see... but, the idea that it will simple swallow Ethereum up is absurd. People are in for a disappointment if they think that this is what will happen. also as developers can use nodejs javascript on ethereum why aernt they using it now anyway
got my answer i read your reply
basically ethereum can use javascript for front end but for back end it has to be solidity.
could it be this reason why they dont want to use javascript for the backend
"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."
Of course. How could be innovative in 2016 a javascript coin? Lol, javascript,useful only for html site. So,the biggest developer spent years studyng C++,Golang, now we are back in 1999 with javascript? lol. Crazy. you can build apps not dapps on lisk yet |
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April 19, 2016, 11:48:53 AM |
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Yes, this is a serious problem. In the end LISK might be useful for fun dapps, but serious financial applications are not going to be built on javascript. There is a reason for ETH using "a complicated language", as some have put it here. LISK might still find uses anyway, let's see... but, the idea that it will simple swallow Ethereum up is absurd. People are in for a disappointment if they think that this is what will happen. also as developers can use nodejs javascript on ethereum why aernt they using it now anyway
got my answer i read your reply
basically ethereum can use javascript for front end but for back end it has to be solidity.
could it be this reason why they dont want to use javascript for the backend
"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."
Of course. How could be innovative in 2016 a javascript coin? Lol, javascript,useful only for html site. So,the biggest developer spent years studyng C++,Golang, now we are back in 1999 with javascript? lol. Crazy. what percentage of existing apps are in the "serious financial applications" category of apps and what percentage are in the "fun" category (not sure how you are defining "fun" here)? the opportunity is where the masses play. |
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vipertkd
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April 19, 2016, 11:53:10 AM |
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Can u tell me when lisk will be on exchanges ?
It should be on multiple exchanges at launch. Launch is planned around the end of April or beginning of May. We should get the launch date at some point soon so stay tuned. |
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rtrtcrypto
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April 19, 2016, 11:57:43 AM |
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I see what you mean, but, most "simply fun" apps don't really need to be decentralized. Now, building a serious poker engine or gambling engine or bringing on financial applications more generally into javascript? This is a problem I'd like to see addressed - how serious are the limitations of javascript for these sorts of use cases? Maybe there are legitimate ways around the problem? Ethereum is using solidity for a reason, the fact that everything happens on chain is even more of an incentive to make sure things behave as they are intended to behave. In LISK, I think a possible advantage would be in that everything runs on a side chain - but, this opens up all kinds of questions about how chains interact and how the entire system reaches consensus on what is happening. LISK might find a space that is worth hundreds of billions with "just fun" apps. So it might not matter. But, many of the serious and interesting use cases being explored and thought about in this space don't seem like a good fit for the architecture of LISK. Yes, this is a serious problem. In the end LISK might be useful for fun dapps, but serious financial applications are not going to be built on javascript. There is a reason for ETH using "a complicated language", as some have put it here. LISK might still find uses anyway, let's see... but, the idea that it will simple swallow Ethereum up is absurd. People are in for a disappointment if they think that this is what will happen. also as developers can use nodejs javascript on ethereum why aernt they using it now anyway
got my answer i read your reply
basically ethereum can use javascript for front end but for back end it has to be solidity.
could it be this reason why they dont want to use javascript for the backend
"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."
Of course. How could be innovative in 2016 a javascript coin? Lol, javascript,useful only for html site. So,the biggest developer spent years studyng C++,Golang, now we are back in 1999 with javascript? lol. Crazy. what percentage of existing apps are in the "serious financial applications" category of apps and what percentage are in the "fun" category (not sure how you are defining "fun" here)? the opportunity is where the masses play. |
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April 19, 2016, 12:10:24 PM |
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I see what you mean, but, most "simply fun" apps don't really need to be decentralized. Now, building a serious poker engine or gambling engine or bringing on financial applications more generally into javascript? This is a problem I'd like to see addressed - how serious are the limitations of javascript for these sorts of use cases? Maybe there are legitimate ways around the problem? Ethereum is using solidity for a reason, the fact that everything happens on chain is even more of an incentive to make sure things behave as they are intended to behave. In LISK, I think a possible advantage would be in that everything runs on a side chain - but, this opens up all kinds of questions about how chains interact and how the entire system reaches consensus on what is happening. LISK might find a space that is worth hundreds of billions with "just fun" apps. So it might not matter. But, many of the serious and interesting use cases being explored and thought about in this space don't seem like a good fit for the architecture of LISK. Yes, this is a serious problem. In the end LISK might be useful for fun dapps, but serious financial applications are not going to be built on javascript. There is a reason for ETH using "a complicated language", as some have put it here. LISK might still find uses anyway, let's see... but, the idea that it will simple swallow Ethereum up is absurd. People are in for a disappointment if they think that this is what will happen. also as developers can use nodejs javascript on ethereum why aernt they using it now anyway
got my answer i read your reply
basically ethereum can use javascript for front end but for back end it has to be solidity.
could it be this reason why they dont want to use javascript for the backend
"Javascript numbers are....not the greatest or most reliable. Especially when we are dealing with a crypto-currency, you really want your numbers to be on point. Basically JS uses floating point which means some things get approximated and digits get lost in certain cases. Here's some further reading: Be careful with big numbers & Floating point appoximation. So, the fact that everything in Lisk (including Lisk itself) is in Javascript, it means there are potentially big number problems (both in terms of big numbers and big problems)."
Of course. How could be innovative in 2016 a javascript coin? Lol, javascript,useful only for html site. So,the biggest developer spent years studyng C++,Golang, now we are back in 1999 with javascript? lol. Crazy. what percentage of existing apps are in the "serious financial applications" category of apps and what percentage are in the "fun" category (not sure how you are defining "fun" here)? the opportunity is where the masses play. they may not need to be decentralised but if the Javascript developer can increase his or her margins by dapping an existing app then they will do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unnu2ov2w2Q |
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