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281  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What percent of Bitcoins are used for unethical things on: July 13, 2011, 12:56:14 AM
But us voting on the forum and claiming that only 1% of bitcoins are used for "unethical" uses doesn't make it true.  I simply wish people would stop worrying about what other people are using bitcoins for.  After all, every currency in the world is used for "bad things" too.
282  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin tattoo? on: July 13, 2011, 12:14:16 AM
nope, not a troll. not. at. all.

not only are you a troll, you are also apparently not that bright.

You're right.  I'm not bright, and I'm a troll.

And you...have a bitcoin tattoo because you wanted to win a race in a thread on a forum about pretend internet money.

Pretend internet money?  Why are you on this forum?  GTFO.
283  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Liberty Portal - iOS app for Libertarianism and Austrian economics. on: July 12, 2011, 11:22:43 PM
Well, I just tried again, copy and pasting the address from your signature.  It's a small donation because I can't afford much, but hopefully it will help reward you for your time and labor in creating the app.  Let me know if you get it.
284  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Book request to the dwellers Politics & Society on: July 12, 2011, 10:33:08 AM
I highly recommend you all read "The Greatest Story Never Told" by one Lana Cantrell. I'm 300 pages through and its blowing my mind.

Here is a link

http://ca.isohunt.com/download/291083949/greatest+story+never+told.torrent

I just read the synopsis: looks REALLY interesting.  I'll have to check it out at some point.
285  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Anarchy =~ Communism on: July 12, 2011, 09:23:34 AM
Is this topic a joke.  Communism is more collectivism and anarchy is no government.  in summary they are complete opposites.


anarchy - small government - big government - socialism- communism

anarchy <> communism

Could you not have voluntary communism without a State?
286  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What should be the function of a Politico Economic System? on: July 12, 2011, 09:02:23 AM
Frequently, when economics are discussed people falsely believe that everyone has the same underpinning moral evaluations or the same ideals or objectives to what a economic system should do.  As economics is an interesting combination of mathematics, politics, history, morality and law it is no surprise that we come to such wildly different outcomes to what type of systems we propose in terms of the relation of the government in said system, in spite of the fact that we all probably have a very narrow idea of what type of society we would like to live in.


It is true that the ultimate aim of people applying economic means vary wildly, but that is no fault of economics.  Economics simply describes the best way to achieve an end, without any subjective valuation of those ends.  If you want to achieve low unemployment and high salaries for workers there are better and worse ways to do this, and economics can illuminate those means.  If you want to create a rich merchant class and keep the masses in poverty there are better and worse ways to achieve this as well, and economics similarly can describe how to do so.  When we argue economics we tend to generally assume that we are aiming at the same goals: the betterment of human society, but again economics does not care about subjective human valuations.

Economics is a subset of praxeology, the general science of human action and therefore is independent from politics, morality and law.  There are some mathematics in it to be sure, and there is economic history, and being the science of human action it undoubtedly affects politics, morality and law, but as a discipline it is separate and cannot be conflated with any of those other subjects. 

However, if you want to move this discussion elsewhere I would be willing as I don't want to derail your thread.  This response is probably not quite what you were looking for?
287  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Anarchy =~ Communism on: July 12, 2011, 08:45:52 AM


Canarchy -> AnCap

Sanarchy -> Socialist Anarchy

Ah, thank you.  So you are concerned that in an anarcho-capitalist society there would be nothing to prevent a powerful, malevolent hierarchical organization from assigning itself power and taking over.  This is a valid concern.  Let me ask you a question before I attempt to respond:  What stops a government (even a democratic or constitutional republic) from becoming a dictatorial and draconian nightmere oppressing and enslaving its populace?
288  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would killing the minimum wage help? on: July 12, 2011, 08:41:02 AM
Problem with the lack of a minimum wage is that the situation looks increasingly more and more like slavery.  As the race to the bottom prevails, if markets are left unfettered, even below subsistence levels of pay can be maintained with costs externalized to whatever social safety net (be it political or religious) may exist.

The idea that 50% of the people think there shouldn't be a minimum wage means one of the following to me:
1) People are unbelievably cruel and hateful and believe that there is nothing wrong with slavery by any other name
2) They are millionaires and also think that there is nothing wrong with slavery and grinding poverty due to their oligarchical disposition
3) They are trolling
4) They have no historical, political or economic understanding outside a Milton Friedman book
5) They believe in no fundamental value for human life and whatever you can get out of someone you should

I really don't see any other options for this.  Please post them here if you know of any even partially legitimate sounding reason for the elimination of the minimum wage that isn't the most obvious, flagrant and hideous face of class warfare by the top 0.1% against the rest of society.

The problem with supporting the minimum wage is that the situation looks increasingly more and more like slavery.  As the race to the bottom prevails, as we regulate markets (and therefore people), below subsistence level jobs will be erased and we will create unemployment depriving some workers of even the very little they could get.

The idea that 50% of the people think that there should be a minimum wage means one of the following to me:
1) People are unbelievably cruel and hateful and believe that there is nothing wrong with slavery by any other name
2) They are millionaires and also think that there is nothing wrong with slavery and grinding poverty due to their oligarchical disposition
3) They are trolling
4) They have no historical, political or economic understanding outside of a few Keynsianist economics classes and Paul Krugman articles
5) They believe fundamentally that humans are unable to know what's best for themselves and should not be allowed to voluntarily trade and exchange with other human beings



Edit: I'm not trying to be a troll, and would sincerely like to have a rational dialogue with you, but do you see how easy that is?
289  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would killing the minimum wage help? on: July 12, 2011, 08:32:29 AM
I guess I should had been more clear. If the more 'skilled' workers applied for a job which normally people with GED would apply for, who would you hire? One with a degree or a GED? Now the only way they would get hired is if they where paid less then the minimum, but mainly, it may help bring back business that has been sent overseas.

The one with the GED, the one with the degree will leave as soon as a better job becomes available.  The one with the GED will not.

This is probably true but hard to say with any certainty. I know plenty of people with no degree or even GED who have drifted through plenty of "dead-end" jobs: Blockbuster, McDonalds, Securitas, Regal Cinemas....
290  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Anarchy =~ Communism on: July 12, 2011, 08:16:56 AM
mutually consenting self-organization (even if it has a hierarchy). . .what's the issue?  I have a company, so I hire you.  I am the owner, and you are the employee.  You are free to leave and I am free to fire you (unless we've entered into contractual agreement otherwise).  *fails to see the problem*

Canarchy like communism 'hopes' that no subset of the population forms an organization, and becomes powerful enough to enslave the rest.

To make it more simple; what stops an organization becoming so powerful that it can use coercion to enslave the rest ?



Please specify your terms, what is "canarchy" and what is "sanarchy"?
291  Economy / Marketplace / Re: up to 50 people, get paid 0.10 BTC to change your signature on: July 12, 2011, 07:16:22 AM
Received payment, thanks.  Sorry for the late confirmation; internet troubles.
292  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do I deserve to die and do I deserve healthcare? on: July 12, 2011, 07:04:14 AM
Life isn't fair.  Nature does not bestow upon us equal and fair characteristics, physical or mental.  Some people are born smarter, stronger, better-looking and with larger dicks than others.  Humanity will never achieve social equality, it is a chasing after the wind.  The best we can do is to minimize coercion in society and teach each other to respect and help each other (the true concept of community), but not to force individuals to help others. 
293  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Worst book ever: "Economics in One Lesson"? on: July 12, 2011, 06:50:56 AM
Any specific passages, ideas or arguments you wish to critique?
294  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Maximum role of Government? on: July 12, 2011, 06:49:15 AM
To find out who truly owns something, ask yourself this question:  Who makes the decisions in regard to the property? Who is the ultimate decision maker and who has the power to destroy it?
295  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What percent of Bitcoins are used for unethical things on: July 11, 2011, 06:56:48 AM
Who cares?  Why does it matter?
296  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Maximum role of Government? on: July 10, 2011, 09:58:18 AM
I think you missed the point. The point is, the same solution that works in the USA can also work in a libertarian society.
I got that. I just think that solution is worse than the one adopted by most of the industrialized world.

Which is what? I'm curious.
297  Other / Politics & Society / Re: American-liberals, socialists and statists, what is your idea of liberty? on: July 10, 2011, 09:52:33 AM
Well said, sir. 
298  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Liberty Portal - iOS app for Libertarianism and Austrian economics. on: July 06, 2011, 11:55:54 AM
Wow, just read your reply.  Did that donation never come through?  I wonder if I sent it to the wrong address or something.
299  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Book request to the dwellers Politics & Society on: July 06, 2011, 11:28:04 AM
I recommend:  Boundaries of Order, by Butler Schafer

Free in pdf here.
300  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "You've got two, he's got none, give him one!" - Redistribution of Health on: July 06, 2011, 11:18:14 AM
All left-wingers propose an incoherent worldview, because they support egalitarianism of finance only.

I class my self as a left winger but I support equality not only of finance but of rights, freedoms and decision making power.

So, how does that work, exactly? You're free to trade, as long as everything has exactly the same monetary value and nobody comes off 'better'?

I never said that and 'everything has the exact same monetary value' doesn't make sense.

"Equality of Finance" means what, then?

That the difference between earnings of the highest paid and the lowest paid is minimal.

Hmm, not to be a stickler, but what is "minimal" and who gets to decide it?
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