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281  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Christians hate people? on: April 09, 2015, 09:53:51 AM
Radical Christians hate people, because like any other religious radicals, they are also blinded by faith. I will give you an example.

In the Peruvian Amazon, there is a tiny tribe called Chayahuita (Shawi), who numbers a few hundred. The Shawi shamans are vary famous for having information on various herbal remedies. In the past few decades, evangelical missionaries have converted some 80% of the Shawi to Christianity. And recently, these neo-Christians have launched a war of extermination against the Shawi shamans.

http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2012/07/fourteen-dead-shamans/

Along with the shamans, a lot of knowledge about various natural remedies are also being lost. An example of Christianity going the way of ISIS.

but then i ask this question to you directly, does that mean muslims are terrorists and islam in a religion that preaches terrorism??

whenever  somebody pin point muslims and say they are terrorist, we muslims defend our religion saying that we are not terrorists and our religion stand up AGAINST terrorism..

then when somebody says chistians are terrorists, you see many people defending christians saying its only a tiny minority who acts that way.. the same way we muslims said that its only a minority which acts that way.. but still no one would want to hear that.

where is the logic?

when it is against muslims and islam, all is good, everybody says terrorists.
when it is against another religion, everybody says no no its not, and just few people does it.

can you explain this to me? i am confused...
282  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Quran on: April 09, 2015, 09:00:46 AM
Although, to be honest, both of you are choosing to miss out this little clanger I found when looking for a version of the quote with your preferred grammar:

"It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the night outstrip the day, each just swims along in its own orbit."

One word: Eclipse.

Sooooooo, yet another 'miracle' bites the dust.

NEXT!

you actually do your own judgements yourself and rate your own comments.. LOL

keep commenting, am laughing my ass off here Cheesy
283  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Christians hate people? on: April 09, 2015, 08:57:52 AM
I guess here goes the same story as with the 'why does the Islam hate people' topic.
There are a few people who are extremists/killers etc. Those people will attract the attention of the media. They make a certain group of people look bad.

Don't judge a huge group of people based on a few who call themselves Christians, but in reality are not Christians.

Btw, I am a Christian myself, so my arguments may be a bit biased.

your comment was the comment i was waiting for and it came right in the first page..

so when a very tiny group of people from muslim faith does suicide attack to get attention, everybody says : muslim = terrorism, islam = religion of terrorism, spread terrorism..


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Don't judge a huge group of people based on a few who call themselves Christians, but in reality are not Christians.

now when a fellow christian does a suicide attack.. this is the argument that comes up..

justice is everywhere they say.. everybody should be treated the same way, they said..
and my point was proved right from the first page.. hilarious
284  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Christians hate people? on: April 09, 2015, 08:55:01 AM
I guess here goes the same story as with the 'why does the Islam hate people' topic.
There are a few people who are extremists/killers etc. Those people will attract the attention of the media. They make a certain group of people look bad.

Don't judge a huge group of people based on a few who call themselves Christians, but in reality are not Christians.

Btw, I am a Christian myself, so my arguments may be a bit biased.


The first recorded suicide bombing came from Christian soldiers during the Crusades to free The Holy City of Jerusalem from the control of Muslim armies. During the Crusades, the Knights Templar destroyed one of their own ships with 140 Christians on board in order to kill 10 times as many Muslims in the opposing fleet.

Even in the Bible a reference is made to a suicide as a means of killing an enemy.

"And Samson said, 'Let me die with the Philistines!' And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life." Book of Judges 16:30, Old Testament.

An early example of suicide bombing occurred during the Belgian Revolution in 1831 - the war between the Dutch and the Belgians - when the Dutch Lt Jan van Speijk blew up his own ship in the harbour of Antwerp to prevent being captured by the Belgians.

He had been ordered to take down his Dutch flag but said: "I would rather blow myself up." He killed dozens of his enemies in the process.

In World War II, Kamikaze pilots acted as human missiles, flying their planes with explosives, directly into US warships.

285  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Quran on: April 09, 2015, 08:20:02 AM
We are being told to read verse's that you post here.
You dont have a valid source that is neutral to show proof from.

You are telling us that we are wrong.. And you are right.

AFAIK except for splitting of moon, we can give scientific proofs but for splitting of moon, only history proofs but you don't believe in old books.

not just historical proofs from the Quraan.. but people in different region at that time also gave testimony that they saw it.. if you roll back you will see i gave some proofs from those people. and history writes about them.
286  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 09, 2015, 08:16:05 AM
We should analyze the word 'terrorism'. Everyone who provide terror (a real terror) to a group of person with a weapon, knife etcetera ... By the definition is a terrorist, now the history can speak itself because not all the Muslim are terrorist and not all the terrorist are muslim. I think it's wrong to link the word Islam to the word terrorism, can you explain to us why aren't all the muslim terrorists?

Thanks for your input. Was the last questions to me? I didn't get you correctly. I should prove all muslims aren't terrorist? Huh

A terrorist is not identifyed by religion, but by political beliefs.
Sadly most terrorists are muslims.

Okay. Let's come to this matter.

Meaning of terrorists:

"Persons who use terrorism for gaining of political aims."

Meaning of terrorism:

"Use of violence and intimidation for gaining of political aims."

Here comes the saddest part.

Total estimate number of people killed from '80s till now by

Muslims: 20,000 to 100,000.

US: 5,000,000 to 10,000,000

OH MY GOD.. the USA is the biggest of all terrorists then.. we gotta tell Al Qaeeda to keep up with that number.. 100,000 / 10,000,000   ... that is too big of a gap.. oh dear.. muslims gotta bomb something soon to increase the numbers.. be quick muslims .... hah!!!! and they say islam is propagating terrorism Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
287  Other / Politics & Society / Why do Christians hate people? on: April 09, 2015, 08:13:57 AM
12. 2009 Holocaust Memorial Museum Shooting: Neo-Nazi James Von Brunn entered the museum and shot and killed security guard Stephen Johns. Von Brunn was a lifetime Holocaust denier and had previously served six years in prison for a 1981 attempt to kidnap members of the Federal Reserve Board.

11. 2009 Home Invasion Murder: Shawna Forde, executive director of Minutemen American Defense (MAD), orchestrated the home invasion murders of a 9-year-old Latina girl and her father in their home. MAD is a violent anti-immigrant group that operates along the Mexican-American border.

10. July 1, 1999: A gay couple is shot and killed in the bed of their California home. Their murderers, Benjamin Matthew Williams and James Tyler Williams, also carried out arson attacks at three synagogues and an abortion clinic in the weeks prior to the murders.

9. Texas IRS Attack: On February 18, 2010, Joseph Andrew Stack flew his single engine plane into an Austin building that housed IRS offices. Stack and an IRS manager were killed and 13 others were injured. Before he carried out his attack he left a long rant about the IRS and politicians online.

8. Three “Phineas Priests”: In 1996 three men, Charles Barbee, Robert Berry, and Jay Merelle, were charged with two bank robberies and bombings at the banks, a Spokane newspaper, and a Planned Parenthood office. The men were anti-Semetic Christian Identity theorists who believed God wanted them to carry out violent attacks.

7.  Buffalo Abortion Doctor’s Murder: On October 23, 1998, Dr. Barnett Slepian was assassinated by James Charles Kopp. Kopp was affiliated with the Roman-Catholic anti-abortion group “The Lambs of Christ.”

6. Jackson Mississippi Shooting Spree: On April 12, 1996, Neo-nazi Larry Wayne Shoemake went on a shooting rampage in a predominantly black neighborhood, killing one and wounding ten others.

5. George Tiller Murder: On May 9, 2009, Scott Roeder, an anti-abortion extremist, shot and killed Dr. Tiller, a late term abortion provider. Tiller had long been a target of the right-wing nuts; Bill O’Reilly even referred to him as “Tiller the baby killer.” In 1986 his office was firebombed and in 1993 he was shot five times by another Christian terrorist. It was really only a matter of time before the rhetoric on the right led to his death.

4. Jewish Community Center Murders: On April 13, 2014, Frazier Glenn Miller opened fire at a Jewish community center and Jewish retirement community, killing three people. Miller was the founder and former leader of the Carolina Knights of the KKK and White Patriot Party.

3. Sikh Temple Shooting: On August 5, 2012, Neo-nazi Wade Michael Page opened fire in a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, killing six and injuring three. Sikhs are often confused by extremists as Muslims and have been targets of violence many times in the post 9/11 Muslims-hating frenzy.

2. 1997 Olympic Bombing: Eric Robert Rudolph detonated a nail packed bomb at the 1997 Olympics held in Atlanta. The bomb killed one and injured more than 100. Rudolph wasn’t apprehended until 2003, and on his years on the run he carried out attacks on two abortion clinics and a gay bar. He was another follower of the  anti-Semitic Christian Identity theology.

1. The Oklahoma City Bombing: Probably the most well known terrorist attack was in 1995 in Oklahoma. Timothy McVeigh and accomplice Terry Nichols blew up a 7,000-pound truck bomb at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. The blast killed 168 people, including 19 children and injured 500 more.

These are only 12 attacks, but there are countless others, not only that were carried out, but many that the FBI was able to stop. You don’t hear about these often because they don’t fit the media’s picture of a terrorist. They were all carried out by Caucasians who were some sort of “Christian.”


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288  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 09, 2015, 08:10:48 AM

We should analyze the word 'terrorism'. Everyone who provide terror (a real terror) to a group of person with a weapon, knife etcetera ... By the definition is a terrorist, now the history can speak itself because not all the Muslim are terrorist and not all the terrorist are muslim. I think it's wrong to link the word Islam to the word terrorism, can you explain to us why aren't all the muslim terrorists?

Thanks for your input. Was the last questions to me? I didn't get you correctly. I should prove all muslims aren't terrorist? Huh

A terrorist is not identifyed by religion, but by political beliefs.
Sadly most terrorists are muslims.



yes hamuki, i agree with you, all terrorists are muslims right???

1. Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012. The virulent, neocon-fueled Islamophobia that has plagued post-9/11 America has not only posed a threat to Muslims, it has had deadly consequences for people of other faiths, including Sikhs. Sikhs are not Muslims; the traditional Sikh attire, including their turbans, is different from traditional Sunni, Shiite or Sufi attire. But to a racist, a bearded Sikh looks like a Muslim. Only four days after 9/11, Balbir Singh Sodhi, a Sikh immigrant from India who owned a gas station in Mesa, Arizona, was murdered by Frank Silva Roque, a racist who obviously mistook him for a Muslim.

But Sodhi’s murder was not the last example of anti-Sikh violence in post-9/11 America. On Aug. 5, 2012, white supremacist Wade Michael Page used a semiautomatic weapon to murder six people during an attack on a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page’s connection to the white supremacist movement was well-documented: he had been a member of the neo-Nazi rock bands End Empathy and Definite Hate. Attorney General Eric Holder described the attack as “an act of terrorism, an act of hatred.” It was good to see the nation’s top cop acknowledge that terrorist acts can, in fact, involve white males murdering people of color.

2. The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009. Imagine that a physician had been the victim of an attempted assassination by an Islamic jihadist in 1993, and received numerous death threats from al-Qaeda after that, before being murdered by an al-Qaeda member. Neocons, Fox News and the Christian Right would have had a field day. A physician was the victim of a terrorist killing that day, but neither the terrorist nor the people who inflamed the terrorist were Muslims. Dr. George Tiller, who was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder on May 31, 2009, was a victim of Christian Right terrorism, not al-Qaeda.

Tiller had a long history of being targeted for violence by Christian Right terrorists. In 1986, his clinic was firebombed. Then, in 1993, Tiller was shot five times by female Christian Right terrorist Shelly Shannon (now serving time in a federal prison) but survived that attack. Given that Tiller had been the victim of an attempted murder and received countless death threats after that, Fox News would have done well to avoid fanning the flames of unrest. Instead, Bill O’Reilly repeatedly referred to him as “Tiller the baby killer." When Roeder murdered Tiller, O’Reilly condemned the attack but did so in a way that was lukewarm at best.

Keith Olbermann called O’Reilly out and denounced him as a “facilitator for domestic terrorism” and a “blindly irresponsible man.” And Crazy for Godauthor Frank Schaffer, who was formerly a figure on the Christian Right but has since become critical of that movement, asserted that the Christian Right’s extreme anti-abortion rhetoric “helped create the climate that made this murder likely to happen.” Neocon Ann Coulter, meanwhile, viewed Tiller’s murder as a source of comic relief, telling O’Reilly, “I don't really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester.” The Republican/neocon double standard when it comes to terrorism is obvious. At Fox News and AM neocon talk radio, Islamic terrorism is a source of nonstop fear-mongering, while Christian Right terrorism gets a pass.

3. Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008. On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Adkisson said he was motivated by a hatred of liberals, Democrats and gays, and he considered neocon Bernard Goldberg’s book, 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America, his political manifesto. Adkisson (who pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder and is now serving life in prison without parole) was vehemently anti-abortion, but apparently committing an act of terrorism during a children’s play was good ol’ Republican family values. While Adkisson’s act of terrorism was reported on Fox News, it didn't get the round-the-clock coverage an act of Islamic terrorism would have garnered.

4. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994. To hear the Christian Right tell it, there is no such thing as Christian terrorism. Tell that to the victims of the Army of God, a loose network of radical Christianists with a long history of terrorist attacks on abortion providers. One Christian Right terrorist with ties to the Army of God was Paul Jennings Hill, who was executed by lethal injection on Sept. 3, 2003 for the murders of abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett. Hill shot both of them in cold blood and expressed no remorse whatsoever; he insisted he was doing’s God’s work and has been exalted as a martyr by the Army of God.

5. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996. Paul Jennings Hill is hardly the only Christian terrorist who has been praised by the Army of God; that organization has also praised Eric Rudolph, who is serving life without parole for a long list of terrorist attacks committed in the name of Christianity. Rudolph is best known for carrying out the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta during the 1996 Summer Olympics—a blast that killed spectator Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others. Hawthorne wasn’t the only person Rudolph murdered: his bombing of an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama in 1998 caused the death of Robert Sanderson (a Birmingham police officer and part-time security guard) and caused nurse Emily Lyons to lose an eye.

Rudolph’s other acts of Christian terrorism include bombing the Otherwise Lounge (a lesbian bar in Atlanta) in 1997 and an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb in 1997. Rudolph was no lone wolf: he was part of a terrorist movement that encouraged his violence. And the Army of God continues to exalt Rudolph as a brave Christian who is doing God’s work.

6. The murder of Barnett Slepian byJames Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998. Like Paul Jennings Hill, Eric Rudolph and Scott Roeder, James Charles Kopp is a radical Christian terrorist who has been exalted as a hero by the Army of God. On Oct. 23, 1998 Kopp fired a single shot into the Amherst, NY home of Barnett Slepian (a doctor who performed abortions), mortally wounding him. Slepian died an hour later. Kopp later claimed he only meant to wound Slepian, not kill him. But Judge Michael D'Amico of Erin County, NY said that the killing was clearly premeditated and sentenced Kopp to 25 years to life. Kopp is a suspect in other anti-abortion terrorist attacks, including the non-fatal shootings of three doctors in Canada, though it appears unlikely that Kopp will be extradited to Canada to face any charges.

7. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994. Seldom has the term “Christian terrorist” been used in connection with John C. Salvi on AM talk radio or at Fox News, but it’s a term that easily applies to him. In 1994, the radical anti-abortionist and Army of God member attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Massachusetts, shooting and killing receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols and wounding several others. Salvi was found dead in his prison cell in 1996, and his death was ruled a suicide. The Army of God has exalted Salvi as a Christian martyr and described Lowney and Nichols not as victims of domestic terrorism, but as infidels who got what they deserved. The Rev. Donald Spitz, a Christianist and Army of God supporter who is so extreme that even the radical anti-abortion group Operation Rescue disassociated itself from him, has praised Salvi as well.

8. Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010. When Joseph Stack flew a plane into the Echelon office complex (where an IRS office was located), Fox News’ coverage of the incident was calm and matter-of-fact. Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa seemed to find the attack amusing and joked that it could have been avoided if the federal government had followed his advice and abolished the IRS. Nonetheless, there were two fatalities: Stack and IRS employee Vernon Hunter. Stack left behind a rambling suicide note outlining his reasons for the attack, which included a disdain for the IRS as well as total disgust with health insurance companies and bank bailouts. Some of the most insightful coverage of the incident came from Noam Chomsky, who said that while Stack had some legitimate grievances—millions of Americans shared his outrage over bank bailouts and the practices of health insurance companies—the way he expressed them was absolutely wrong.

9. The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984. One of the most absurd claims some Republicans have made about white supremacists is that they are liberals and progressives. That claim is especially ludicrous in light of the terrorist killing of liberal Denver-based talk show host Alan Berg, a critic of white supremacists who was killed with an automatic weapon on June 18, 1984. The killing was linked to members of the Order, a white supremacist group that had marked Berg for death. Order members David Lane (a former Ku Klux Klan member who had also been active in the Aryan Nations) and Bruce Pierce were both convicted in federal court on charges of racketeering, conspiracy and violating Berg’s civil rights and given what amounted to life sentences.

Robert Matthews, who founded the Order, got that name from a fictional group in white supremacist William Luther Pierce’s anti-Semitic 1978 novel, The Turner Diaries—a book Timothy McVeigh was quite fond of. The novel’s fictional account of the destruction of a government building has been described as the inspiration for the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995.

10. Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995. Neocons and Republicans grow angry and uncomfortable whenever Timothy McVeigh is cited as an example of a non-Islamic terrorist. Pointing out that a non-Muslim white male carried out an attack as vicious and deadly as the Oklahoma City bombing doesn’t fit into their narrative that only Muslims and people of color are capable of carrying out terrorist attacks. Neocons will claim that bringing up McVeigh’s name during a discussion of terrorism is a “red herring” that distracts us from fighting radical Islamists, but that downplays the cruel, destructive nature of the attack.

Prior to the al-Qaeda attacks of 9/11, the Oklahoma City bombing McVeigh orchestrated was the most deadly terrorist attack in U.S. history: 168 people were killed and more than 600 were injured. When McVeigh used a rented truck filled with explosives to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, his goal was to kill as many people as possible. McVeigh was motivated by an extreme hatred for the U.S. government and saw the attack as revenge for the Ruby Ridge incident of 1992 and the Waco Siege in 1993. He had white supremacist leanings as well (when he was in the U.S. Army, McVeigh was reprimanded for wearing a “white power” T-shirt he had bought at a KKK demonstration). McVeigh was executed on June 11, 2001. He should have served life without parole instead, as a living reminder of the type of viciousness the extreme right is capable of.

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12. 2009 Holocaust Memorial Museum Shooting: Neo-Nazi James Von Brunn entered the museum and shot and killed security guard Stephen Johns. Von Brunn was a lifetime Holocaust denier and had previously served six years in prison for a 1981 attempt to kidnap members of the Federal Reserve Board.

11. 2009 Home Invasion Murder: Shawna Forde, executive director of Minutemen American Defense (MAD), orchestrated the home invasion murders of a 9-year-old Latina girl and her father in their home. MAD is a violent anti-immigrant group that operates along the Mexican-American border.

10. July 1, 1999: A gay couple is shot and killed in the bed of their California home. Their murderers, Benjamin Matthew Williams and James Tyler Williams, also carried out arson attacks at three synagogues and an abortion clinic in the weeks prior to the murders.

9. Texas IRS Attack: On February 18, 2010, Joseph Andrew Stack flew his single engine plane into an Austin building that housed IRS offices. Stack and an IRS manager were killed and 13 others were injured. Before he carried out his attack he left a long rant about the IRS and politicians online.

8. Three “Phineas Priests”: In 1996 three men, Charles Barbee, Robert Berry, and Jay Merelle, were charged with two bank robberies and bombings at the banks, a Spokane newspaper, and a Planned Parenthood office. The men were anti-Semetic Christian Identity theorists who believed God wanted them to carry out violent attacks.

7.  Buffalo Abortion Doctor’s Murder: On October 23, 1998, Dr. Barnett Slepian was assassinated by James Charles Kopp. Kopp was affiliated with the Roman-Catholic anti-abortion group “The Lambs of Christ.”

6. Jackson Mississippi Shooting Spree: On April 12, 1996, Neo-nazi Larry Wayne Shoemake went on a shooting rampage in a predominantly black neighborhood, killing one and wounding ten others.

5. George Tiller Murder: On May 9, 2009, Scott Roeder, an anti-abortion extremist, shot and killed Dr. Tiller, a late term abortion provider. Tiller had long been a target of the right-wing nuts; Bill O’Reilly even referred to him as “Tiller the baby killer.” In 1986 his office was firebombed and in 1993 he was shot five times by another Christian terrorist. It was really only a matter of time before the rhetoric on the right led to his death.

4. Jewish Community Center Murders: On April 13, 2014, Frazier Glenn Miller opened fire at a Jewish community center and Jewish retirement community, killing three people. Miller was the founder and former leader of the Carolina Knights of the KKK and White Patriot Party.

3. Sikh Temple Shooting: On August 5, 2012, Neo-nazi Wade Michael Page opened fire in a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, killing six and injuring three. Sikhs are often confused by extremists as Muslims and have been targets of violence many times in the post 9/11 Muslims-hating frenzy.

2. 1997 Olympic Bombing: Eric Robert Rudolph detonated a nail packed bomb at the 1997 Olympics held in Atlanta. The bomb killed one and injured more than 100. Rudolph wasn’t apprehended until 2003, and on his years on the run he carried out attacks on two abortion clinics and a gay bar. He was another follower of the  anti-Semitic Christian Identity theology.

1. The Oklahoma City Bombing: Probably the most well known terrorist attack was in 1995 in Oklahoma. Timothy McVeigh and accomplice Terry Nichols blew up a 7,000-pound truck bomb at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. The blast killed 168 people, including 19 children and injured 500 more.

These are only 12 attacks, but there are countless others, not only that were carried out, but many that the FBI was able to stop. You don’t hear about these often because they don’t fit the media’s picture of a terrorist. They were all carried out by Caucasians who were some sort of “Christian.”

The right will say that we are excusing Islamic extremists and just trying to blame the white guy, but that is disingenuous. We a merely pointing out the extreme media bias when it comes to reporting on terrorism.

Terrorism is not exclusively a Middle Eastern thing, as we have been led to believe for more than a decade. None of it is acceptable, whether it be from Islamic terrorists or right-wing terrorists.

There is a common thread, though: religion.

Religion is to blame for more deaths than anything else in the history of man.

So, before the right talks about Islamic terrorists from other countries, they should remember: people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.


yea right, islam, muslim = terrorists ...

LOL

and i repeat myself,

when you have a gigantic stone in your backyard, dont criticize the pebble in the garden of your neighbours!!


edit : comes from ONLY 2 different websites. might have some repeat, but the point is the same.. only muslims are terrorists Wink  Roll Eyes
289  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Quran on: April 09, 2015, 08:03:50 AM
21:33 - “It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all swim along, each in its orbit.”

What's the doubt?

Your honesty is the doubt.

I believe the quote is actually, ""It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit."

Each in AN orbit. Given that the moon and the sun are both being cited, in the same sentence, as being in an orbit, which is more likely, that the author believes both to be orbiting the Earth, or that the moon orbits the Earth but the Sun orbits a point within our Galaxy?

Which is more likely? If you want to cite your 'holy' book as being a miraculous source of knowledge centuries before its time, then you can only cite the text within it, not simply choose to infer from vague ramblings the basis for advanced scientific knowledge.

As has been said, Muslims have contributed to mankind's knowledge throughout history, but that knowledge was not because they were Muslim, it was because they applied scientific and mathematical principals which could be objectively supported and proven, you know, exactly what 'Science' is.




THIS is the exact quote :

21:33 - “It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all swim along, each in its orbit.”

learn arabic to know the exact meaning of words, not fake translation
290  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 08, 2015, 08:20:08 PM
The very wording of this thread makes me squirm. Where did your grammar go, OP?

Orthodox Islam is indeed problematic, but it´s not issue of misanthropy. Orthodox sunnis believe, that Quran is literal word of God, unbound by time and space. That naturally has to bring them into conflict with people, who are not stuck in the seventh century, but you should not forget, that this version is preached by radical minority (often to illiterate population, which is naturally at disadvantage, when arguing about meaning of holy book).

Furthermore, people, who fight these bigots the most are invariably other muslims as seen in Iraq (Kurds, Shiites), Syria (Assad peoples army) and Egypt (government).

You're right, but the rest of the world wouldn't even turn their heads towards the Muslim wars if not for the fact that these wars are claiming victims from all over the world. You're not safe and it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman, you're as likely to be blown up by a radical suicidal maniac.
I find it hard to understand why to those radicals everybody is an enemy, women, children, Christians, other Muslims...

mostly influenced by political magnate and some are blackmailed to do it.. you never see someone happy and suicide bombing. they all look tensed and sad.

BUT there are of course some who have been brainwashed at a point they think what they are doing is right.

this is the same everywhere, in different ways, not only in muslim countries or concerning only muslims
291  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 08, 2015, 07:53:18 PM
What you have done here logically is the tactic known as

Create an irrefutable claim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

The burden of proof in such a case is on the person making the irrefutable claim.  Here is an example commonly seen.

A:  God Exists!  If he doesn't then you prove he doesn't!
B:  No, dude.  It's for you to prove he does exist.  You made the claim.

All of the incidents in the report are referenced.

Zakir, one thing I must mention.  When you defend your beliefs and your religion, you should not use logical errors.  These are more like something seen in propaganda than serious discussion.  They are not worthy of being part of a discussion about great ideas.

You maybe interpreting it in a different way. I am saying that "you saw some news one medias and you post here". Then tell Islam is bad. What I am saying do medias know they are "real" muslims? Can't somebody imitate muslims? Why don't you think about such questions/statements?
This is an example of what we call "a conspiracy theory."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

Understand that sometimes, conspiracy theories turn out to be true, but usually they are based on speculation and lack supporting facts.  

Another logical error that is present here I particularly like because there's a pretty funny story associated with it.  This is the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

I mentioned quite a while back that while yes, someone could imitate muslims and do bad things to cast a bad light on muslims (this is the secret agent provocateur type of thing) it would be impossible for such a thing to be happening in so many diverse places and situations as is the case today.  Therefore, that is not the situation.

Read and understand these things and your argument will improve greatly.  However I would be greatly surprised if you could produce a good argument for the splitting of the moon!

Smiley




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it would be

as you say.. does not mean i cannot be
292  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is Open Bazaar up and running ? on: April 08, 2015, 04:36:22 PM
well i have one i did few months ago but with many problems,
i have tried everything, i have self posted photo of items, tried the sales button, tried registering 100 users in 1 hour, commented over 80 times myself, basically self comment.

since i dont have people to test it for me, i have been testing it myself. spent the last 48hours at home trying to make things work out but there are couple of problems.

1. cannot sign up unless you try post a comment on the front page (sucks i know)

2. i dont want to create a wallet ON the website for people to put their money in, its too risky.
   so i am planning other wallets which will be used as escrow.

that is sellers can post their stuff , people who likes it, contact the moderators so that they contact the seller (its a long process but i am not able to cut down the process)

3. not able to push an escrow button. if you ask my, my own opinion, i find the checkout page very funny myself Cheesy but am not getting any help nor finance from anybody thus i manage with what i can.

4. buyers will send their payment to escrow, escrow takes 1% of the sales price + 2$ as fees. and keep the payment in their cold wallet, till the seller ships the item and the buyer confirms he received the item. (seller records a 20seconds video of him packing and posting along with a proof of shipment and buyer takes pictures before and after opening the parcel [[ to enable faster problem solving]])


5. should have a lot of other problems but i cant dont really know how to make things happen. i am very tired now and i have not slept for 2 days. to be honest i dont think i did so much during the 2 days either Sad

was trying to build a buying and selling website with maximum security.

already have 2 escrow from this forum itself in the line and they have cold wallets.
293  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Quran on: April 08, 2015, 03:31:54 PM
Miracle #2: 

Orbits

While referring to the Sun and the Moon in the Qur'an, it is emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.

"It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit." (The Qur'an, 21:33)

It is mentioned in another verse, too, that the Sun is not static but moves in a definite orbit:

"And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing." (The Qur'an, 36:38)



These facts communicated in the Qur'an have been discovered by astronomical observations in our age. According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the Sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex. This means that the sun travels roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day. Along with the Sun, and all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the Sun also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar planned motion.

That the entire universe is full of paths and orbits such as this one, is written in the Qur'an as follows:

"By the sky full of paths and orbits." (The Qur'an, 51:7)

There are about 200 billion galaxies in the universe, consisting of nearly 200 billion stars in each. Most of these stars have planets, and most of those planets have satellites. All of these heavenly bodies move in very precisely computed orbits. For millions of years, each has been "swimming" along in its own orbit in perfect harmony and order with all the others. Moreover, many comets also move along in the orbits determined for them.





The orbits in the universe do not only belong to celestial bodies. The galaxies also travel at enormous speeds in computed, planned orbits. During these movements, none of these celestial bodies cuts across another's path, or collides with another.

Surely at the time the Qur'an was revealed, mankind did not possess today's telescopes or advanced observation technologies to observe millions of kilometres of space, nor the modern knowledge of physics or astronomy. Therefore, at that time, it was not possible to determine scientifically that space is "full of paths and orbits" as stated in the verse. However, this was openly declared to us in the Qur'an that was revealed at that time:–because the Qur'an is the word of God.






just bumping this because looks like cryptodevil just took a post from page one to elaborate rather than sticking to the latest post...
294  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: how much can you make weekly? on: April 08, 2015, 02:28:19 PM

How to get 1BTC a week? The best way is to get a job. Wink


I agree with Stargazer and sgk, I recently just got into bit coins and was interested in faucets so played around with it while i was at work. They offer no valuable benefits that would lead me to quit my job. In a days work (9 hours), I can buy 1 BTC which would be better than me clicking on a faucet for 15 hours; 15 hours would be very dull to be honest.

Until I head home for vacation, I will then pick up a couple of Antminers and bring them back to run in my company's test environment and mine for BTC or LTC.

Invest in equipment instead of faucets  Smiley

in the country i live, the average salary is 1.5btc per month.. Mauritius Island.

thats why i was asking this. you work from 8h30 am to 5h00 pm for a month and you are paid approx 300$ to 400$
295  Bitcoin / Project Development / Auction Script on: April 08, 2015, 11:26:43 AM
i have tried wordpress and other woocommerce stuff. the price is killing.
i would like to know if someone has any cryptothrift like template for wordpress?

if this is the wrong section, please move it. sorry
296  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 08, 2015, 11:22:44 AM
From what I've read Muslim is far from a religion of peace.

It was never a religion of peace. Islam, as a religion was established through countless bloody conquests and brutal genocides. It is still continuing to this day.


like every country or ever religious conquest, this argument is bias
297  Other / Off-topic / Re: Tor Browser on: April 08, 2015, 10:02:04 AM
no no no not another silk road LOL. i know there are fbi agents all over the place now and Tor is not that anonymous as it was few years ago.

i want to see my own website/webpage running on a Tor network. thats all

Tor was never really that anonymous.  It's a constant battle against vulnerabilities.    As long as they have exit nodes there will always be a chance of it being seen.  I never have considered as iron clad VPN.

Just out of curiosity has speed increased?   I remember it was very slow when I used it what seems ages ago.

still very slow. but much better than before for sure..
yes i know its not that anonymous, its just a pride and boast amongst friends thats all Cheesy
298  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 08, 2015, 09:24:04 AM
=snip=
people like spendulus and badecker who are intelligent enough to use their critical analysis and see through the wall are posting comments like this... propagating hate towards muslim and islam.. its sad to be honest.

I don't know if they are doing this deliberately or this is misunderstanding. But I have seen them twisting sometimes though it might be twisted in a site which they took from and also not answering direct questions. Hope they aren't doing deliberately.

they have been doing it for  over a week, twisting quotes and posting hate website. the funniest one was godhateislam.com or .org
god was suppose to love everybody and not hate one kind of religion. but anyways...

i dont know if they are doing it deliberately either. but once they are given an answer on a particular topic they raised, the take a little word from it and try to expand it more. they dont answer the questions they are asked nor they reply to the answers they are given.

like the thread about all the crimes since the beginning of 2015 in the usa, and the list is very small. i have taken just a few lines from it. but everybody just ignored that list.

like i said, there is a gigantic rock in their garden and they are looking at the pebble in their neighbour's
299  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 08, 2015, 09:15:02 AM
@Spendulus: See? You gave some news. Have you looked more about it? Do you know whether it was "really" a muslim who did the attack? How did you know they were muslims? Did you talk with attackers? Did you witness it? Isn't it obvious? Media influences you.

Stop bitching about the fucking media all the time.
Not everyone is getting their info from mainstream media.

There is plenty of places to get your information without it has been influenced by large corperations.

You ask concrete evidence from us, when we ask back it is "bitching". Undecided

The thing is.. You havent asked back.
You only reffere to the islamic books and psychos who want to see islam as the master religion.

Islam is a religion of war and suffering.
There is muslims who kill other people that arent muslim just for that reason..
And they are even dump enought to start fighting with themselfs because they dont know how to read the quran.



if islam is a religion of war and sufferings, atheism and christianity is worst. considering the crime rate in the USA alone. there are more crimes than the palestine and all muslim countries united.
but then you would say they are not doing it for religion,

i would rather ask you, do you think they are doing it for religion? open your eyes its just a political move.. do you know that a certain group of people take family of the suicide bombers into hostage? and if they dont do it, they will kill their families.. did you know that? the cnn made a documentary about this in 2010. but of course you would not like to hear that, you hear what you want to believe and what you want to hear
300  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 08, 2015, 09:11:58 AM
Religion shouldn't be forced by anyone on anyone else. And this seems to be what is happening, with organizations like the Qatar Foundation creating schools in impoverished areas only to then demand that their students follow Islam. The problem is Islam cannot (seemingly or easily) be separated from government civics. One thing is sure and that is that Islam is pushing much more than any other religion I see to engage the youth - and that is a smart move.

Muhammad(PBUH) and Qur'an have said not to force anybody to be a Muslim. They should be Muslim in their own will and not by force.

Those are done by people not Islam and Islam rules don't allow it. Yet, you say Islam tells it.

These all shows images I posted are true.

I agree with the images for the most part. I think the double standards held against the Muslims are unfair and unjustified. On a personal level I'm just saying that it is probably the power structures (governments and "investors"; not the followers of Islam) that are forcing religion on people.

it is more the mainstream media, politics and other large coorporate who benefits from war.
if they were no war how would the business mogul of guns and stuff eat? they need war like they need money. its just a political boat that brings everybody else with it. the thing is most people dont understand that the media and fake supposed facts that they bring foreward is just another thing to bring us people apart. create the hate and we will fight amongst each other.

there are more crimes in the USA daily than there are in most muslim countries monthly, but of course this will not what the media will report about, they would rather see a man protecting his family in palestine with throwing a rock at the army of israel and call it terrorism.

go on youtube, so many soldiers retired, threw their medals and stars away because they were told to kill innocent in Iraq, in palestine.

and people say that muslim are terrorist and islam breeds terrorism... the word violence itself is not found in the Quraan.

but in the end, people like badecker or spendulus reads only what they want to read and what they hear what they want to hear.

we are not propagating islam, we are just trying to make a point that islam does NOT accept terrorism, islam does NOT breed terrorism.. open your eyes friends, open your eyes.. its high time to stop islamophobia.

people like spendulus and badecker who are intelligent enough to use their critical analysis and see through the wall are posting comments like this... propagating hate towards muslim and islam.. its sad to be honest.
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