I feel this has a weird relation back to Bitcoin since this fee is applied to credit cards and not debit cards, meaning it is only affecting people that are spending money they don't have.  Something that you can't do (yet?) with Bitcoin.

南瓜这次发货的方法我很熟悉
我见过有人这么做，做出来的产品良品率低，就从矮子里面找高个的
拼凑出来几台最稳定的机器先拿出去
我和群里的也说过，我相信他发给JEFF的那个机器是工作的很完美的机器
一旦JEFF发了评测，后面的人哪怕拿到的是垃圾也只会认为自己比较倒霉

I know the way how NGZ is shipping his product.

I knew someone shipped his product like this before: Since most of the products were defective, he picked the best ones and built a few stable machine for first round shipping.

I told other people in the channel: I believe he will send a perfect machine to Jeff. When Jeff has released his report, other customers will just think they are unlucky even they receive a crappy machine.

 
Anyone else who wants to be associated with 40k BTC is welcome create a tx using the output of the above to 1B5kWfMmX1rKSwwHhwiiMxjfRRv5o7ZE4p

Confirmed, it looks nice. 

we (my team and some other core people) consider BFL have not spend any money on ASIC development yet. BFL's business flow is: announce dreamlike specs -> taking pre-orders -> find people to development -> if succeed, release and shipment. if fail, run. BFL sell products at super low price because their customer take all risks.
so now BFL is just collecting money for their ASIC project and avoid current delivery pressure (means they are running out cheap FPGAs).
if this business model succeeded, i will classified this as a shame of human intelligence.

and let me explain what is the "now in final stage development" mean. in ASIC design flow, this means RTL design is nearly finish. as a SOC or some other complex ASIC, RTL design and testing will take most of the development time. but mining ASIC is not a RTL complex design, it is a high computing density chip. most of the work is physical design, packaging and thermal design. RTL is less than 10% of the entire work.

I think Avalon is making BFL lose money every time they have to compete.

When BFL ships and the Avalons device is revealed, they (BFL) will likely have to waste even more money trying to change their features and designs.

Right now all BFL has is overclocking ability. That's about it. It is also unknown what kind of overclocking ability or support they (BFL) will give out to miners of their hardware.

It is an interesting situation. You could allow Single SC to overclock up to 80GH/s. But that would dilute the purchase of Mini-rigs owners who plunked 30k on the table if a 1.2k purchase comes out to 1/10th or 1/15th of the speed of a Mini-rig.

Keep in mind the power supply in a Mini-rig is already defined. So there isn't much hope in seriously overclocking a Mini-Rig. As 24 boards would quickly consume the extra headroom built into the power supply.

I am  神鱼（Shenyu）  ，please call me goldenfish

You can see all transactions in the "List of previous owners" section. The only transaction I made was the initial buy for 0.1 btc, which was on Jan 24.

You don't understand how a pyramid scheme works.

If I were to buy the gem right now, only the previous owner would get coins - not everyone that came before him.

That implies zero internal security, and we all know China is a heavy-surveillance state.

It would not be unheard of for the entire batch to await approval, foreign or domestic.  State security looks at the cryptography devices, and gives a yes-or-no answer for the entire hardware type.

Very existential.  Do I exist?  That is something I must ponder at length.


In the mean time, put down the crack pipe / energy drink and take a deep breath.  In the real world -- i.e. the world outside a teenaged troll's bedroom, the world outside the Internet -- manufacturing and shipping and customs and all that jazz can take weeks for a first run product.  This is not Amazon.com, where products have already been shipped to warehouses weeks or months before your order.

Cryptography is most definitely "export controlled", which means the government pays very close attention to it.  In fact, in the United States, cryptography software was considered "export grade munitions" until year 1996 or so.  Exporting PGP software to Canada required as much paperwork in 1990 as exporting a rocket laucher w/ rockets.

If in the worst case, Avalon is a scam, we cannot rightly be suspicious for a few more weeks yet.

It is still a race between BFL and Avalon at this point, and -- as we see -- any number of factors may impact the outcome.

P.S. DISCLAIMER: I don't know anything more than you guys do, on this thread, with regards to shipping, customs and arrival.  All of this is speculation, even if it is a bit more informed speculation than most in this thread

That raises the question: How far down the waiting list is the first Chinese customer?

qqagent: Yifu早先说已经发了40台了，还说每天大约发12台的样子。是真是假，很快就知道了。 ...

hpmany: 如果这40台都是往国外发的话  那也许是真的， 只能大概一周后（1.20-2.1）验真伪。但是南瓜说过先发媒体测试的两三台，国外是jeff，国内是发给神鱼。yifu说的和南瓜说的矛盾啊。   但是还是祝愿avalon真能成功。

25 Jan 2013

qqagent: Yifu said they have shipped 40 units, and said around 12 units per day. We will know whether it is true or not very soon.

hpmany: It is probably true if these 40 units are shipped overseas. We could only verify one week later (20 Jan - 1 Feb). However, NGZ said he would first ship 2 or 3 units to media: Jeff for overseas, Shenyu for China. What Yifu said is contradicting to NGZ. Anyway, I wish Avalon successful.

Could it possibly be that they are unwilling to risk large numbers of ASIC devices and instead used Jeff and the Bitcoin foundations device as the pilot package to figure out where the troubles might be with customs?

If so, then they probably did ship the two packages but are waiting to see the results before risking the rest of the batch by putting it in transit through customs. Perhaps in the meantime they are building the other units and waiting for the results?

中国矿工挖出就卖，多不欣赏比特币。

I'm now able to pay you back (I generated 120 blocks myself to mature my blocks...), I just send some BTC to mp8b739Eb9JFt62ZKmRW2H1tRc1eBobBya

Thanks again.

Its looks like someone in west coast US timezone probably CA state has a weak hands.
Why correction come in the same time?

What I dont understand, why does not Jeff Garzik ask DHL for the tracking id?

Holy fucking shit are all people here STUPID AND BLIND?

You can just ask DHL with your identity for tracking numbers personally via DHL , just need to phone them!

Its fucking suspicious that still Jeff Garzik is doing NOTHING, nor Avalon gives ANY confirmation or proof of shipment!
Lack of comunication KILLS economy of Avalon! We saw this already with BTCFPGA, the're dead!