dont be so ridiculous. there are no hells and heavens in the whole universe. All of them are created by human mind because of our need for being punished or being rewarded . I see those things as mytological stuffs.
Exactly. Also those terms are very usable to take masses of people under control. Look at those people who cry for Jesus or Mohmmd in the mosques/churches. All of them are lunatics who gotten their brains brainwashed. There aren't any people left who cry for Zeus or Poseidon anymore and those lunatics also will be history in 200 years. (Damn) it's like that when you think with logic , but if you meditate and read the contents of al quran perhaps you will think of other , thank you Sry, I'm just not suicide bombing, gay hanging, women stoning, airplane intio building riding, goat fcker, towelhead kind of guy. If you ask me, theistic religions are the poison to this world and peace of same. Written morals that benefit us all come through nothing else than religion.  Morals come from your parents not from religion..How you ask yourself?  .. When you grow up things in your life have happened like someone hit you.. stole from you.. you fell in love and out of love..you trusted someone they let you down many many emotions by the time you have your baby.. Now when you have your child you teach him or her about the emotions you felt through your life so they don't get hurt or live a better life.. Like when someone stole off you..You teach your children to be careful of thieves..If someone hit you then you knew it hurt so you teach your children not to hit because it hurts ..That's how we learn morality..Parents teach you about there wrongs and rights to make your life better.. Even parents push there dreams onto there children like they wanted to be a footballer and the parent thought well if i played for west ham i would have a mansion now.. So when he has a boy he trains the kid takes the kid to practice takes him on the field then the kid plays in school boys for west ham then makes it as a pro because of his dads dreams and buys the mansion his dad always dreamed of..Now were was your religion in that process.. The main moral is how to teach your children how to make money when they grow up and the best way to do it.. Now the best way we know how to make money is get an education and then get a good job.. But i also teach my children you must also think of something everybody wants then you hit the jackpot.. Still not hit the jackpot but it keeps you thinking  ..So you can waste your time on religion or waste your time on trying to hit the jackpot.. I choose the jackpot.. Always saying no matter what you make or do if you can think of something everyone wants and you sell it to 5 billion people and make 10p you hit the jackpot..Even if they buy it once..Your rich baby ..even 2p your rich .. So i learn my children not to hurt people unless they try and hurt you..1 moral.. So i learn my children to educate themselves to get a good job and always listen to the teacher because in some countries they have no education.. 2 morals.. So i learn my children not to steal because it's wrong and you wouldn't like your stuff stolen..3 morals.. So i learn my children to think about something everybody wants..4 morals.. So i learn my children about love because they feel the love i have for them..5 morals.. So i learn my children about animals because we own a dog and a turtle and because we love our animals my children will show more affection to all living things..6 morals.. So i learn my children not to smoke drink and keep fit because if no addictions you got more money instead of wasting money on smokes and weed and ale so you will have more money to make money..7 morals.. So i learn my children never to look down on someone who as less than you..8 morals So i learn my children i am your father and what i say goes till your 21 it's my duty to make sure you have all you need till your 21 years old.. I will do my best to give you all i can till your 21 then your on your own you need to fly.. But i will always be here if you try in life if times ever get hard..And if you have any problems no matter what it is you can always tell me never hide your emotions to your dad because i will always love you no matter what..9 morals.. I just give you 9 morals that i never learnt in the bible only through my life.. I take the good bits in my life and teach my children about them.. I take the bad bits in my life and make sure my children don't do it or feel it..No religion involved..Just life.. See those 9 morals i know my children will grow up to be good humans a much better human than someone religious.. And a million times better than a muslim .. You claim to give 9 examples. You learn them from experience or the experience of parents. Experience comes from the breaking of these morals, by someone, in the first place. Bible religion teaches you to love God above all things, and to love your neighbor as yourself. The Bible covers all the morals, not only 9. You, popcorn1, don't even acknowledge the moral of loving God above all things. Religious morals have yours beat all the way. Besides, if the people listened to religious morals, they wouldn't even have to experience the breaking of morals. |
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Pffft... Really? So assuming someone wishes to completely jeopardise their chance to remain illegally in the US and they actually manage to convince the state to issue a valid drivers' licence on the basis of some fraudulent, counterfeit ones they'd have to submit as part of their application, just so they can cast a ballot, it's going to skew the election results? They're still not allowed to vote. And you genuinely believe this is some sort of Dem conspiracy to win votes?.... Wow. If that's your idea of a perceived threat to the American Way™, I'd hate to see what a real threat looks like. I'd have thought that level of paranoia would require medical intervention. Would you like me to fetch the men in white coats for you? That's exactly what it is. Any other questions? Let's see... What size straightjacket do you both take? Is the standard cell wall padding sufficient for those as deranged as yourselves? Do we need to up the dosage for those anti-psychotic drugs, or have you just been forgetting to take them? Would it not be in the best interest of public safety to simply lobotomise you both at your earliest convenience? Think that should cover it for now. "Automated voter registration is actually a more secure way of doing things," California Secretary of State Alex Padilla told HuffPost in September. Potential voters "have to demonstrate proof of age, the vast majority of time people are showing a birth certificate or a passport, which also reflects citizenship. That's arguably more secure than someone checking a box under penalty of perjury" If it had been a Republican policy, you'd have been praising them for closing loopholes and making the system more robust. But no, it's definitely a sinister Dem conspiracy to give illegals the ability to vote (even though it only works that way in your imagination).  Google "voting machine hacking." |
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Not a lot of choice here. |
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if you ask me, all drugs should be legal, so natural selection can step in place. If people want to do drugs, they'll always find a way to get them.
If you ask me, nothing should be legal or illegal except when you harm someone or damage his property. Get government out of our lives all the way so we can be free. |
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dont be so ridiculous. there are no hells and heavens in the whole universe. All of them are created by human mind because of our need for being punished or being rewarded . I see those things as mytological stuffs.
Exactly. Also those terms are very usable to take masses of people under control. Look at those people who cry for Jesus or Mohmmd in the mosques/churches. All of them are lunatics who gotten their brains brainwashed. There aren't any people left who cry for Zeus or Poseidon anymore and those lunatics also will be history in 200 years. (Damn) it's like that when you think with logic , but if you meditate and read the contents of al quran perhaps you will think of other , thank you Sry, I'm just not suicide bombing, gay hanging, women stoning, airplane intio building riding, goat fcker, towelhead kind of guy. If you ask me, theistic religions are the poison to this world and peace of same. Written morals that benefit us all come through nothing else than religion. |
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What's the matter? Can't show that God doesn't exist scientifically? *Sign* Not sure if your being delibrately insolent or just trolling. Here it is for the last time tonight: "Science cannot prove or disprove God." So the answer to your question is no. The same answer it's always been. Except that I showed you how science proves God exists. And you say that it doesn't. But you can't even refute one point of the science that I show. So, you are not only a bigot, not only are you deceitfully using political science all the time, but you are a liar. However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Because you are not required to refute anything. So it might be that you are simply presenting yourself as a liar, without being one. On second thought, when you present yourself as a liar without really being a liar, yes, you are a liar. |
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The closest thing that comes to opposing the science I show, is pseudoscience theories. You can only fight pseudoscience nonsense with more pseudoscience nonsense. Now join up the dots. Well, lets see some then. So you're asking me to have a pseudoscience argument debate with you. Sweet mother of God why? What the point of that? Why not use your time more constructively and read up on pseudoscience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PseudoscienceWhy are you continually avoiding the refuting of the science that shows that God exists? You say that it isn't true. But the scientific laws behind it show that it is true. What's the matter? Can't show that God doesn't exist scientifically? |
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waalaikumsalam , i do believe about heaven and hell
but i don't know what will i meet afterlife , maybe other people don't know too
I don't believe in afterlife, and therefore I don't believe that heaven and hell exist. In my opinion, heaven and hell are myths propagated by adherents of various religions, to gain followers. For example, Christians claim that you will burn in hell, if you don't accept Jesus as the saviour. Muslims believe that you will go to heaven and get 72 virgins, if you fight to defend Islam. Life is just as impossible as afterlife might seem. Nobody has a clue about where life came from. The best we have is that religion tells us. If you say that life evolved, you are mistaken. Scientifically it is mathematically impossible for life to have evolved in any way we can imagine. Google it. So, why would anybody be so certain the afterlife won't happen? |
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dont be so ridiculous. there are no hells and heavens in the whole universe. All of them are created by human mind because of our need for being punished or being rewarded . I see those things as mytological stuffs.
Heaven will be the New Universe God will create. Hell will be the destruction of this one. |
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The closest thing that comes to opposing the science I show, is pseudoscience theories. You can only fight pseudoscience nonsense with more pseudoscience nonsense. Now join up the dots. Well, lets see some then. Because cause and effect is a scientific law as well as universal entropy, and complexity in the universe is understood completely by all sciences even though in may not have been formulated as a law. Come on and refute with a little science or pseudoscience, rather than simply blabbing on and on. And don't tell me your blabber is political science, because we already know that. |
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Assange and Snowden have a big enough job already. Don't get them going after the rest of government who are at least as corrupt as Hillary. |
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What's an all-might skydaddy? What is this fairytale? The Christian idea of "father". But then you knew the answer to this already didn't you. Why lie and pretend you didn't? Unless it was rhetorical of course. There's no lie in his statement or interrogative. There are dozens of types of lying. Half-truths, lying by omission, noble lies, to name just a few. Not sure what the offical name is of the type BADlogic just used, but it was a lie as in lying to himself pretending he doesn't know something, when actually he knows full well what that something is. I've know BADlogic a long time. I know exactly how he operates. And you operate by blah, blah, blah without any science or even a point behind it. Show the science that opposes the science I have shown, above. You can't. Because there isn't any. The closest thing that comes to opposing the science I show, is pseudoscience theories. And you haven't even shown any of these. You are proving yourself to be ignorant over, and over, and over... since the beginning of the time I started in this forum. |
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What's an all-might skydaddy? What is this fairytale? The Christian idea of "father". But then you knew the answer to this already didn't you. Why lie and pretend you didn't? Unless it was rhetorical of course. I guessed the answer someone like you would say. But that is not what God is scientifically. Read my above explanation in a previous post. What's the matter? You can't refute the science either, can you? "Someone like me", what, as in truthful you mean? The answer is the answer who ever says it. If I wasn't here someone else would answer the same. Still going on about your pseudoscience I see. Everybody else figured out years ago true science cannot prove or disprove God. Get over it and moved on. It's boring. Obviously, you can't tell the difference between science backed by scientific laws and science theory. The only science you are using is political science, the only science that is based on how much you can talk. |
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What's an all-might skydaddy? What is this fairytale? The Christian idea of "father". But then you knew the answer to this already didn't you. Why lie and pretend you didn't? Unless it was rhetorical of course. I guessed the answer someone like you would say. But that is not what God is scientifically. Read my above explanation in a previous post. What's the matter? You can't refute the science either, can you? |
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Has anybody lived in moslem majority? Don't talk from magazine or newspaper. Live here in Indonesia, we respect non moslem as neighbors. One non moslem neighbor has one right. She/he should be treated kindly. No command in QUran and hadith to kill non moslem neighbor. Terorists don't practice Islam in whole teaching.
Many terorists are reqruited from Indonesia. yes, we know from media. We as moslems community in Indonesia can't identify their presence in our social live. The terorists have underground activities. They can't generate all moslems are terorists. Not all moslems have the same thought as the terorists do. The terorists fewer than 0.1% of the moslems community and their activities are underground.
You also don't respect Islam enough to obey the religion as it is stated in the Koran and the Hadiths... a religion of violence toward non-Muslims, and toward Muslims that someone accuses of backsliding. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx. |
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And no I'm not going to help by quoting this time. read the damn book and maybe you will see the light
I have many times. That's why I'm an atheist
You literally just said you are willing to stake your future on what you read in a book that you don't even believe in. REKT. Yup. the book fiction. Its crap. the God exist only in you nightmares. He is just as real as the easterbunny. However, science and nature show that God is the great reality. Again. Science have never proven a all mighty sky-daddy But you can use the things of science to prove the existence of God. Cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy all exist, and science affirms them. If you took one of them away, we would have either no universe, or a completely different universe. Combined, they show God. But since you don't WANT to acknowledge that God exists, you won't take the time to understand how science proves He exists. However, nature shows that God exists. Complex machinery isn't built without intelligence. And the most complex machinery of all is found in nature and its existence. Show me the paper. You said a while ago that science works thru engineering nowadays. That's true, but to prove the engineering, they have to write it down so other scientists can test it. That is called a peer rewired paper. Show me the link to the paper where they prove it Imagine that you wanted to see that air exists, from a scientific standpoint. There is no paper for thousands of fundamentally known things of the universe. The scientific evidence that God exists is fundamental. Probably no other paper has been written than the unscientific writings that I am doing here, and those of scientists who show that cause and effect, complex universe and universal complexity are real. You can figure it out for yourself by taking the papers that show the three, and combining them to show God. However, nature shows God by the fact that it is machinery, as science is expressing every day. There is zero evidence that god excist. Even if you proved that evolution is wrong, the age of the earth and so on, it still wouldent proove a almighty sky-daddy. Science dont say. "I don't understand iot, therefor God". They seek answers. We tried to live in a christian world. Its called the dark ages. Christianity is the enemy of humanity Before anyone sees something, he doesn't know that it exists. Putting all religion aside, science proves that God exists. I will explain with the example of the pool/billiards professional. Somewhere during a game of pool, a professional pool player looks at the pool balls scattered on the pool table. Then he says, "I am going to tap the cue ball, which will hit ball x, which will hit ball xx, which will hit ball xxx, which will hit ball xxxx into the corner pocket over here." Then he does it. Few people can do this on a regular basis. In the beginning of the universe (The universe had a beginning because if it didn't, all-pervading entropy would have reduced it to no complexity by now.), electron x hit electron xx, electron xx hit electron xxx, electron xxx hit electron xxxx, etc., right on down to the present, with countless numbers of hits. And electrons weren't the only thing. All sorts of atomic and sub atomic and energy waves and who-knows-what-else are there doing the same thing, from the beginning right down to the present. The result that we see today is complexity all around, and especially in the intelligence and emotion of mankind.The universe is countless numbers of times greater than the professional pool player in the complexity it has produced. When we look around in nature, we see nothing that could have caused the universe. More importantly, we see nothing that could have caused life, and especially intelligence and emotion. Yet these all exist because of cause and effect from the distant past. Whatever produced the universe, life, intelligence and emotion, must have been a great "pool player" to have set these things going in the distant past. We have no evidence of anything happening spontaneously in the universe. Many things look spontaneous, but they were really caused by something else. This means that there is no random. No random means that everything was set up to run the way it does. Whatever set the universe up to run the way it does, in the face of entropy, so that after thousands of years of cause and effect, it still produces intelligence and emotion, must have been very great, containing a vast amount of intelligence and emotion in itself, far greater than mankind. Look up the word "God" in the dictionary. There are many aspects. Often the first aspect contains wording like "the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe." Since there was a beginning, and since there is great pool/billiards-like cause and effect beyond understanding, and since there is intelligence and emotion, whatever caused the universe had all this in itself. None of these things happen by random accident. We have no evidence of random accident, because universal cause and effect rule random accident out. Whatever that "thing" was that caused the universe, did it according to intelligent plan, and with emotion. If it didn't, we wouldn't have intelligence and emotion. The definition of the word "God" in the dictionary fits whatever set the universe up. In fact, we cannot begin to understand how great of a God God is. Most important. You won't understand this stuff without thinking about it. And you don't have to allow yourself to understand it. But if you investigate these things thoroughly, to see if they make sense, you will find God in them. Scientifly no it wont. A all knowing skydaddy just makes more questions. Whare did it come from. Why does it not unerstand biolgy and so on. And even if science found a God. Why Would you think it is yours and not none of the others? the whole idea is idiotic. You are attempting to turn God into a religion. God is not a religion. People build religions around wht they think about God. And this is exactly what you are doing. The thing that I am doing is talking about scientific logic and examination, not religion. There is nothing scfientific in the idea af an all-mighty skydaddy. Its fairytales you tell to your kids to make them behave. the whole idea is idiotic What's an all-might skydaddy? What is this fairytale? Look at what I wrote above, "Most important. You won't understand this stuff without thinking about it. And you don't have to allow yourself to understand it. But if you investigate these things thoroughly, to see if they make sense, you will find God in them." I'm talking about the science involved with proving the existence of God. All you do is talk about a "skydaddy" religion. I agree with you. I don't know of any skydaddy religion. But it must exist, because you keep talking about it. It seems like your religion is the opposite of the skydaddy religion. I am talking about the scientific proof for the existence of a great big Something that created the universe and fits the definition of the word "God," not a skydaddy. The proof is up there in one of my previous posts. What's the matter? Having trouble refuting the proof? That's why all you can do is talk about a skydaddy? |
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And no I'm not going to help by quoting this time. read the damn book and maybe you will see the light
I have many times. That's why I'm an atheist
You literally just said you are willing to stake your future on what you read in a book that you don't even believe in. REKT. Yup. the book fiction. Its crap. the God exist only in you nightmares. He is just as real as the easterbunny. However, science and nature show that God is the great reality. Again. Science have never proven a all mighty sky-daddy But you can use the things of science to prove the existence of God. Cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy all exist, and science affirms them. If you took one of them away, we would have either no universe, or a completely different universe. Combined, they show God. But since you don't WANT to acknowledge that God exists, you won't take the time to understand how science proves He exists. However, nature shows that God exists. Complex machinery isn't built without intelligence. And the most complex machinery of all is found in nature and its existence. Show me the paper. You said a while ago that science works thru engineering nowadays. That's true, but to prove the engineering, they have to write it down so other scientists can test it. That is called a peer rewired paper. Show me the link to the paper where they prove it Imagine that you wanted to see that air exists, from a scientific standpoint. There is no paper for thousands of fundamentally known things of the universe. The scientific evidence that God exists is fundamental. Probably no other paper has been written than the unscientific writings that I am doing here, and those of scientists who show that cause and effect, complex universe and universal complexity are real. You can figure it out for yourself by taking the papers that show the three, and combining them to show God. However, nature shows God by the fact that it is machinery, as science is expressing every day. There is zero evidence that god excist. Even if you proved that evolution is wrong, the age of the earth and so on, it still wouldent proove a almighty sky-daddy. Science dont say. "I don't understand iot, therefor God". They seek answers. We tried to live in a christian world. Its called the dark ages. Christianity is the enemy of humanity Before anyone sees something, he doesn't know that it exists. Putting all religion aside, science proves that God exists. I will explain with the example of the pool/billiards professional. Somewhere during a game of pool, a professional pool player looks at the pool balls scattered on the pool table. Then he says, "I am going to tap the cue ball, which will hit ball x, which will hit ball xx, which will hit ball xxx, which will hit ball xxxx into the corner pocket over here." Then he does it. Few people can do this on a regular basis. In the beginning of the universe (The universe had a beginning because if it didn't, all-pervading entropy would have reduced it to no complexity by now.), electron x hit electron xx, electron xx hit electron xxx, electron xxx hit electron xxxx, etc., right on down to the present, with countless numbers of hits. And electrons weren't the only thing. All sorts of atomic and sub atomic and energy waves and who-knows-what-else are there doing the same thing, from the beginning right down to the present. The result that we see today is complexity all around, and especially in the intelligence and emotion of mankind.The universe is countless numbers of times greater than the professional pool player in the complexity it has produced. When we look around in nature, we see nothing that could have caused the universe. More importantly, we see nothing that could have caused life, and especially intelligence and emotion. Yet these all exist because of cause and effect from the distant past. Whatever produced the universe, life, intelligence and emotion, must have been a great "pool player" to have set these things going in the distant past. We have no evidence of anything happening spontaneously in the universe. Many things look spontaneous, but they were really caused by something else. This means that there is no random. No random means that everything was set up to run the way it does. Whatever set the universe up to run the way it does, in the face of entropy, so that after thousands of years of cause and effect, it still produces intelligence and emotion, must have been very great, containing a vast amount of intelligence and emotion in itself, far greater than mankind. Look up the word "God" in the dictionary. There are many aspects. Often the first aspect contains wording like "the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe." Since there was a beginning, and since there is great pool/billiards-like cause and effect beyond understanding, and since there is intelligence and emotion, whatever caused the universe had all this in itself. None of these things happen by random accident. We have no evidence of random accident, because universal cause and effect rule random accident out. Whatever that "thing" was that caused the universe, did it according to intelligent plan, and with emotion. If it didn't, we wouldn't have intelligence and emotion. The definition of the word "God" in the dictionary fits whatever set the universe up. In fact, we cannot begin to understand how great of a God God is. Most important. You won't understand this stuff without thinking about it. And you don't have to allow yourself to understand it. But if you investigate these things thoroughly, to see if they make sense, you will find God in them. Scientifly no it wont. A all knowing skydaddy just makes more questions. Whare did it come from. Why does it not unerstand biolgy and so on. And even if science found a God. Why Would you think it is yours and not none of the others? the whole idea is idiotic. You are attempting to turn God into a religion. God is not a religion. People build religions around what they think about God. And this is exactly what you are doing. The thing that I am doing is talking about scientific logic and examination, not religion. |
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Social media, though often the subject of severe criticism of our youth, has caused radical changes to our political system, even though we don't notice it. As we saw the legalization of gay marriage in the USA, I saw it not as legalization, but rather, an "unblock" on civil liberties of a group of people. Such is the same for marijuana legalization. For the sake of simplicity, neglected from the article are very important points such as; The military industrial complex, the failed war on drugs and its burden on the taxpayer So, without further bantering, here are my five arguments! 1) Civil liberty This is number 1 because in this case, it does not matter if you are using marijuana for recreational (to just get high!  ), medicinal (there are several applications), spiritual, or religious purposes, but because, as a Libertarian, I believe that the principles of liberties are universal. If a group of people by general consensus can claim ownership over your civil liberties by a 51% vote, then there is obviously a moral issue there, making the concerned human being very undemocratic. 2) Medicinal Marijuana has many medicinal uses, in my case, mental health. Research funded by the US government (Yes, the same people who schedule it as a drug with no medicinal value, shows that marijuana acts on the same receptors of the brain as benzodiazepine drugs do, which are prescribed as a commercial treatment for generalized anxiety disorder today. Of course, cannabis is less stronger, which also makes it less addictive, and it bears none of the side effects that the pharmaceutical drugs do. There have been very few deaths attributed to medicinal marijuana use. There are none that I am aware of. 3) Cultural Marijuana has been a part of several cultural practices. Ancient civilizations have been using the plant for ceremonies for thousands of years. A lot of these civilizations have been subject to erasure due to post colonialism under the corporatocracy. It is only fair that they be allowed to partake in cultural traditions, as Americans do with their alcohol. 4) Religious Human beings are very religious people. I myself am opposed to several organized religions, including Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (No debating!). However, by imposing my religious views (or lack, thereof) on a religious group of people would make me guilty of the very same vices that I accuse them of. 5) Prohibition was founded on a lie We were told that marijuana was dangerous, that it can lead to permanent psychosis, cause schizophrenia (this is the "vaccines cause autism" of our times and has no scientific basis), and corrupt our youth by having them lead immoral and destitute lives. However, several states have done well under legalization, reducing addiction and crime rates in just a few years (Colorado is one example) Please discuss, but be civil! Thou hast been warned.. You forgot the biggest reason. Legalization gives government the right to tax us for marijuana growing, owning and use. I say, get government out of our lives. Repeal laws that make marijuana illegal, and don't add any that make it legal. Let us be free of taxes, and free to use marijuana as we choose, without government regulation and interference. |
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In Christianity the saying is, "Hate the sin but love the sinner." Regarding Islam, the saying is, "Hate Islam but love the Muslim." |
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