why the list went low in yobit no volume
The lisk that are being sold in Yobit is an IOU coin the Lisk supply from the yobit admin has all run out, i remember i saw the price went up to 0.02 so anyone who bought from that pump have lost a lot of BTC. And anyone like you who bought into the Waves ICO got scammed so badly that they have to desperately bash other coins.  I bought LISK and Waves. The two projects have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other. Why the f$ck does anyone give a rats ass about what one or the other is doing or not doing. I've been on this forum for years and the level of conversation and dialogue on THIS thread might be the lowest IQ conversation I ever seen on a thread. Where did all the idiots (both those invested in LISK and those who troll it) that populate this thread come from? Its like the f$cking short bus came and dropped off a 1000 students on this thread. Jesus Christ. You're here also making stupid comments. You are definitely one of the 1000 short bus students for sure. Like anyone gives a fuck if you've been here for years. Many of us have been here for years. You obviously don't know all the f$cking waves Bullshit FUD that came into the lisk thread just to pump their post count for the Waves banner bounty. Every time a dickwad noob come here with a waves banner and says something totally retarded about lisk we flip the fuck out. Fuck waves and their idiotic bounty trolls. Ignored. We'll start here. big whoop, what have you said here in this thread that was "important" Jack shit. |
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why the list went low in yobit no volume
The lisk that are being sold in Yobit is an IOU coin the Lisk supply from the yobit admin has all run out, i remember i saw the price went up to 0.02 so anyone who bought from that pump have lost a lot of BTC. And anyone like you who bought into the Waves ICO got scammed so badly that they have to desperately bash other coins. I bought LISK and Waves. The two projects have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other. Why the f$ck does anyone give a rats ass about what one or the other is doing or not doing. I've been on this forum for years and the level of conversation and dialogue on THIS thread might be the lowest IQ conversation I ever seen on a thread. Where did all the idiots (both those invested in LISK and those who troll it) that populate this thread come from? Its like the f$cking short bus came and dropped off a 1000 students on this thread. Jesus Christ. You're here also making stupid comments. You are definitely one of the 1000 short bus students for sure. Like anyone gives a fuck if you've been here for years. Many of us have been here for years. You obviously don't know all the f$cking waves Bullshit FUD that came into the lisk thread just to pump their post count for the Waves banner bounty. Every time a dickwad noob come here with a waves banner and says something totally retarded about lisk we flip the fuck out. Fuck waves and their idiotic bounty trolls. |
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Have there been any updates on date of launch?
September.  If you don't know dont answer. Pretty simple. No, not in September. Right after the San Andreas earthquakes  Uh, don't say that! I live a few miles away from that fault in Southern California!! At least let me get my LISK first!! LOL Hum, might be worth selling some of your LISKS upon launch and using the funds to get the F**K out of there..........ze big one is coming............... You could be right. I am approx. 5 miles from that fault. But I only was able to attain 1224 LISK.  I remember quite a few "big" ones. 7.3 is the biggest I've felt in my lifetime. Kinda scary. The Northridge quake was smaller, but was quite a shaky one, too! Come on LISK... daddy needs a new home state! LOL CA is good! Just move away from the giant sink holes! |
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Speaking of delegates, the community should:
1. Have a central location where delegates should report what they are doing to add value to the system.
2. Set minimum expectations of how often delegates should update the community.
The most annoying aspect of DPoS was getting updates. As a community, we should not have to track down updates. It should be the delegate's responsibilty to communicate.
but this is not something you can enforce. Now if you got a group of people together who will only vote for people who participate in your system it would be good at convincing some to join up. I recommend the Lisk community really taking time to study how the dynamic worked in Bitshares. When delegates refused to update the community on what they were doing, voters would put pressure on them to either show value or get voted out. For the most part, it worked as intended. Nobody rides for free. I'm not talking about some type of central code nonsense, just a recommendation to the community to set standards and vote accordingly. I went through about about 2 years of their threads on DPoS. Lot of lessons learned, it is in our best interest in the Lisk community to learn what went right and wrong and apply the best practices. I'm not a DPoS expert, however, from everything I read here, there's still a LOT of misunderstanding. The OMG eyez will be rich by running a delegate is missing the point. If delegate pay is high enough, it will allow those delegates to hire workers to help build the ecosystem. I'm not saying it's not a sensible thing to do. If someone thinks it's a great idea then I think they should step up and try to get something organized. If you know you have the skills to get it going and it seems reasonable then I don't mind following it. But It's also worries me that it gives the person setting the rules a lot of authority. Who gets to decide who makes the rules and at what point does that just turn into a centralized system? |
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Speaking of delegates, the community should:
1. Have a central location where delegates should report what they are doing to add value to the system.
2. Set minimum expectations of how often delegates should update the community.
The most annoying aspect of DPoS was getting updates. As a community, we should not have to track down updates. It should be the delegate's responsibilty to communicate.
but this is not something you can enforce. Now if you got a group of people together who will only vote for people who participate in your system it would be good at convincing some to join up. |
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I think that many many people forget tahn voting is not free : 1 Lisk.
Many people will not vote at the begining...
you can vote for 33 people with 1 Lisk as long as you vote for them at the same time. |
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- Dapps are some sort of apps. People know apps but don't know why there shoud be a network surrounding them and why this network needs things like wallets and coins.
- The coins are the fuel of the network? Why?
- Give me an example of a dapp that needs a network (blockchain) with expensive coins in order to make things work.
Your average Joe.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IOAvXidA5tIJU4ods3_W_SWszCsry4xiW29ChOTQly0/edit?usp=sharingThe first person to create a Lisk sports betting dapp becomes a billionaire. Average Joe again: Bets = shady = like bitcoin and funding terrorism and Ponzi-scheme stuff... Next please  well I think the biggest issue is still that nobody knows the real price so we can't really do stuff that requires price calculations without totally just guessing. It might very well turn out that this coin is NOT an expensive coin. What about some sort of voting app where the dapp has control over issuance of registration tokens that are paid for in lisk. This question is hard because you can basically say this for any coin. The benefits are that the processing of transactions are lightning fast and it does not waste energy because of the streamlined block reward system. Basically almost everything ethereum can do, Lisk can also do well. the possibilities are endless and since it's new, it's your opportunity to build something you would want to use. You mention Ethereum, that doesn't ring a bell to average Joe. You have to have good arguments to counter opinions as: - If I want something online, I pay with paypal/mastercard. I ay and get it instantly. Blockchain speed does not interest me, average Joe. - Services for which you have to go to a site you never heard of (like poloniex), trust them with your money in order to get some coin while the graphs of almost any coin suggest a volatility like Nasdaq on steroïds won't get many people motivated. If they want to bet/buy/game, they'll use mastercard/visa/paypal. Bitcoin has been around way longer and if I talk to people around me (educated ones), the most they know is that it was internetmoney that boomed, then crashed with some shady stuff in between. - Speed is a good argument indeed but then again: if I want something, I just pay for it with the known alternatives (see previous point). - local markets (as a dapp) could be interesting for fast money transfer between people IF they don't have to go to a place like poloniex. I think adoption could be found in games, donating small amounts of money for sharity, donating a 'thanks with some juice' to (for example) an artist/journalist/...or in avoiding taxes (but then you're messing with powers you don't want to meet who will do anything to destroy you and your blockchain). yeah, you are right. I mean, there's really no reason for anyone to use lisk or even bitcoin vs. Credit Cards. This is still a speculators game and I don't think lisk or any altcoin will find mass adoption until bitcoin does first. So we develop little by little. Rome was not built in a day. |
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If i setup delegate, and somebody vote for me. Its possible to find who vote for me or its anonymous process ?
The voting is a normal Lisk transaction. If the account that sends you a vote has been named by its owner, then you know who voted for you. If they never named their account, it's an anonymous vote. There are programs people have written to show a table of who voted for who. How do I vote?
Go to the Lisk client, open your account, click on "blockchain" on the left hand side, then click the "delegates" tab at the top. Look up the delegate you want to vote for and click in the box beside his name. Then click on "vote" in the upper right corner. Thanks for info! you can look for profit sharing delegates here. There are a few available now. |
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Great, thank you! If I'm a delegate, the rewards can go really high. My main goal is to give back to the Lisk community.
The rewards will not go really high. The rewards will be fixed at 150K Lisk in year one for your delegate no matter how many votes you get. The more and more people who vote for you, the smaller and smaller their share of that 150K is going to be. The more successful you are at getting supporters, the more unhappy your supporters will be. Yo, that's Lisk, baby. 150k max? didn't you say only two or three weeks ago that the reward could be up to seven figures annually? lol yeah, at $10 a coin in the future  each delegate will theoretically earn 150k lisk in a year. What the value will be can be anyones guess. Everyone in the 101 earns the same amount of lisk per year as long as the node is up 100% of the time. If you are doing a Profit sharing Delegate where those who vote for you get a share of the lisk, that would mean that they are getting less and less as more and more start to vote for that delegate. At $10 a coin, each delegate will actually earn $1.5 million / year (150K x $10) I don't mind this one bit, because less people will be selling. nice. so delegates have to buy votes. please send me your offers. Is it possible? They can buy votes? that's what profit sharing delegates are doing. They are buying your vote so they can be a delegate and you get lisk for your vote. |
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- Dapps are some sort of apps. People know apps but don't know why there shoud be a network surrounding them and why this network needs things like wallets and coins.
- The coins are the fuel of the network? Why?
- Give me an example of a dapp that needs a network (blockchain) with expensive coins in order to make things work.
Your average Joe.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IOAvXidA5tIJU4ods3_W_SWszCsry4xiW29ChOTQly0/edit?usp=sharingThe first person to create a Lisk sports betting dapp becomes a billionaire. Average Joe again: Bets = shady = like bitcoin and funding terrorism and Ponzi-scheme stuff... Next please well I think the biggest issue is still that nobody knows the real price so we can't really do stuff that requires price calculations without totally just guessing. It might very well turn out that this coin is NOT an expensive coin. What about some sort of voting app where the dapp has control over issuance of registration tokens that are paid for in lisk. This question is hard because you can basically say this for any coin. The benefits are that the processing of transactions are lightning fast and it does not waste energy because of the streamlined block reward system. Basically almost everything ethereum can do, Lisk can also do well. the possibilities are endless and since it's new, it's your opportunity to build something you would want to use. |
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Lol you lost my vote bro..
Im not going anywhere ill voice my concerns as I see fit thank you.
I did miss that monthly cost at the top corner of the page ill give u that one.
The rest you are dead wrong but the money you think your going to make is blinding you I understand.
good now GTFO If you haven't noticed, I don't give a fuck about votes and i'm sure as hell not going to play nice just to get them. |
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I think it is good that the delegate reward and motivation is getting a good public discussion. I am biased because I want to be a delegate. Because of that bias, I will never say anything negative about those who want to set up nodes that would share their reward with others somehow. Good luck to you.
As for more delegates - 1001 instead of 101, to spread the wealth around - that ain't gonna happen. Lisk has a 10 second blocktime. There is a limit to how many delegates you can coordinate worldwide in 10 seconds, and that number is around 101.
Here is the key point that needs to be at the center of all delegate reward discussions:
TANSTAAFL = There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
TANSTAFFL = The computers that run Lisk have got to be paid for somehow.
If Lisk were a start-up business there would be this huge 500 page IT plan about how many computers to get, and what kind of bandwidth, and what kind of support services to buy, and growth projections, and parts lists, and on and on and on. And oh, yeah, a budget.
Lisk is not a startup business and there is no master IT plan and no budget. We are making this up as we go along and we are less than 90 days in.
Initial indications are Lisk is gong to be a BIG DEAL with LOTS OF GROWTH and LOTS OF TRAFFIC. That means some big-ass computer power in the back room. That's gonna cost big money. Big money in year one, and probably bigger money in year five when the rewards are only 20% of what they are in year one. How much money will be needed to run all these servers and support systems like DDoS firewalls? Nobody knows.
When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers".
Max had to make a wild-ass guess on how much resources / Lisk / money to pay for the Lisk computer / delegates. He came up with the "150K Lisk rewards per delegate in year one, tapering down to 30K Lisk in years five and beyond" plan. Will this plan throw too much or too little resources / Lisk / money at the required computers and the people / delegates that run them? Probably. Is this a problem? That depends.
Community, err on the side of paying delegates too much over too little. Paying delegates "too much" means the community may grumble, profit-sharing delegates are voted in, and Lisk continues. Paying delegates "too little" means the delegates quit, the computers stop, and Lisk dies.
" When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers"." I realize this all to well but whats happening .. is by putting such huge potential rewards on it that we wont have the Best people for the job. Everyone wants to be a delegate .. people talking about running 10 in a pool style 3 and sharing half of all 3 and ive read a lot more like that . I would much rather see the Lisk team setup those 101 servers from ICO funds. More secure they wont quit if the price drops to low etc. The funds collected could all go to marketing or half to marketing and half to holders of lisk I don't care. But giving 101 spots to random people that have the best potential bullshit story or give the most back is like giving a monkey a loaded gun. Just look at the elections people don't Vote for someone to make the "world" better they vote for the guy/girl lining their pockets. Yes it might play out just like that at the beginning but you cannot say for a fact that it will progress like that forever. People over time will prove themselves and they will start to rack up more votes pushing those who do nothing out of the 101. 101 is not a permanent future, the instant someone gets more vote power to beat the 101 spot, they become a forging delegate. If you weren't so busy guessing what might happen, it would have been better if you would have checked out what has happened on the testnet before you start throwing wild guesses out there. This thread is over 600 pages, we all have talked about this issue before and those who have been testing it can see that it will work. It's only guys who come in here every 2-3 weeks that just straight talk shit before trying it out and getting some real results instead of just conjecture. I'm sure about a 100 pages of those is just you posting "funny" pictures and telling waves people to f*** off .. I read most of this thread and ive been around in crypto for awhile and if u don't think there is reason to be concerned your delusional. Time is BS, This account is BS. I bought my first Bitcoin in 2010. Who gives a shit? Your last post is proof you only want Props than anything else. Technology does not beat community because if it did, Crypti would be blowing the fuck up. and bro, you are delusional if you think your outcome is the only possible outcome and if you think you are smart since you been around in crypto. get lost turd. |
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At $10 a coin, each delegate will actually earn $1.5 million / year (150K x $10)
I don't mind this one bit, because less people will be selling.
It is a problem : the dev team should change this. that's assuming that it becomes $10. At a realistic ICO price of you know Fucking 7 cents, it's barley enough to cover what some of us pay in server fees. Bullshit. at 7 cents you stilll 10k a year, which more than enough for server fees. that one in particular seems to be popular with a few folk. lol true but so is calculating the value at $10 per lisk Oh and some people are discussing purchasing $500+ month servers for lisk nodes. Can you link to the server package your referring to ? if not ill have to call BULLSHIT on that. What part of one time setup fee is unclear to you? WTF are you talking about? are you looking at just one thing, probably the bandwidth? You must not understand what you are looking at. That is for one specific point. Your're dumb. go away. It still comes out to over $500 a month for just the BASIC settings. instead of being objective, you are reaching for points that meet your pre defined outcome. |
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I think it is good that the delegate reward and motivation is getting a good public discussion. I am biased because I want to be a delegate. Because of that bias, I will never say anything negative about those who want to set up nodes that would share their reward with others somehow. Good luck to you.
As for more delegates - 1001 instead of 101, to spread the wealth around - that ain't gonna happen. Lisk has a 10 second blocktime. There is a limit to how many delegates you can coordinate worldwide in 10 seconds, and that number is around 101.
Here is the key point that needs to be at the center of all delegate reward discussions:
TANSTAAFL = There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
TANSTAFFL = The computers that run Lisk have got to be paid for somehow.
If Lisk were a start-up business there would be this huge 500 page IT plan about how many computers to get, and what kind of bandwidth, and what kind of support services to buy, and growth projections, and parts lists, and on and on and on. And oh, yeah, a budget.
Lisk is not a startup business and there is no master IT plan and no budget. We are making this up as we go along and we are less than 90 days in.
Initial indications are Lisk is gong to be a BIG DEAL with LOTS OF GROWTH and LOTS OF TRAFFIC. That means some big-ass computer power in the back room. That's gonna cost big money. Big money in year one, and probably bigger money in year five when the rewards are only 20% of what they are in year one. How much money will be needed to run all these servers and support systems like DDoS firewalls? Nobody knows.
When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers".
Max had to make a wild-ass guess on how much resources / Lisk / money to pay for the Lisk computer / delegates. He came up with the "150K Lisk rewards per delegate in year one, tapering down to 30K Lisk in years five and beyond" plan. Will this plan throw too much or too little resources / Lisk / money at the required computers and the people / delegates that run them? Probably. Is this a problem? That depends.
Community, err on the side of paying delegates too much over too little. Paying delegates "too much" means the community may grumble, profit-sharing delegates are voted in, and Lisk continues. Paying delegates "too little" means the delegates quit, the computers stop, and Lisk dies.
" When you are talking about "delegate rewards", you are talking about "how to pay for the Lisk computers"." I realize this all to well but whats happening .. is by putting such huge potential rewards on it that we wont have the Best people for the job. Everyone wants to be a delegate .. people talking about running 10 in a pool style 3 and sharing half of all 3 and ive read a lot more like that . I would much rather see the Lisk team setup those 101 servers from ICO funds. More secure they wont quit if the price drops to low etc. The funds collected could all go to marketing or half to marketing and half to holders of lisk I don't care. But giving 101 spots to random people that have the best potential bullshit story or give the most back is like giving a monkey a loaded gun. Just look at the elections people don't Vote for someone to make the "world" better they vote for the guy/girl lining their pockets. Yes it might play out just like that at the beginning but you cannot say for a fact that it will progress like that forever. People over time will prove themselves and they will start to rack up more votes pushing those who do nothing out of the 101. 101 is not a permanent future, the instant someone gets more vote power to beat the 101 spot, they become a forging delegate. If you weren't so busy guessing what might happen, it would have been better if you would have checked out what has happened on the testnet before you start throwing wild guesses out there. This thread is over 600 pages, we all have talked about this issue before and those who have been testing it can see that it will work. It's only guys who come in here every 2-3 weeks that just straight talk shit before trying it out and getting some real results instead of just conjecture. |
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Sigh.
don't worry dude, those guys understand. They missed the ICO. |
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The real project with potential here is Waves.
potential...For me to POOP on!  |
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At $10 a coin, each delegate will actually earn $1.5 million / year (150K x $10)
I don't mind this one bit, because less people will be selling.
It is a problem : the dev team should change this. that's assuming that it becomes $10. At a realistic ICO price of you know Fucking 7 cents, it's barley enough to cover what some of us pay in server fees. Bullshit. at 7 cents you stilll 10k a year, which more than enough for server fees. lol true but so is calculating the value at $10 per lisk Oh and some people are discussing purchasing $500+ month servers for lisk nodes. Can you link to the server package your referring to ? if not ill have to call BULLSHIT on that.  I know you can argue forever on this kind of shit so let's stop now. It might not be the best deal but it's none the less true. |
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At $10 a coin, each delegate will actually earn $1.5 million / year (150K x $10)
I don't mind this one bit, because less people will be selling.
It is a problem : the dev team should change this. that's assuming that it becomes $10. At a realistic ICO price of you know Fucking 7 cents, it's barley enough to cover what some of us pay in server fees. Bullshit. at 7 cents you stilll 10k a year, which more than enough for server fees. lol true but so is calculating the value at $10 per lisk Oh and some people are discussing purchasing $500+ month servers for lisk nodes. |
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At $10 a coin, each delegate will actually earn $1.5 million / year (150K x $10)
I don't mind this one bit, because less people will be selling.
It is a problem : the dev team should change this. that's assuming that it becomes $10. At a realistic ICO price of you know Fucking 7 cents, it's barley enough to cover what some of us pay in server fees. |
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congratz guys, we just beat the post/page count of Crypti!  |
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