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2881  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 10:30:20 AM
Up until yesterday. Bookmaker's rules this season stated they held the bets for 7 days. They are in Costa Rica, no?

And

the online world is much bigger than Costa Rica and Vegas who are actually relatively small players in the grand scheme.

And

as long as the rule is consistent that one is fair.
Bookmaker is in CR. I didn't realize that the change was recent.

I defer to Europe and Asia for soccer but MLB is an American market and it would be nice if the bitcoin books conformed to the same rules. Scalpers would like it too.
2882  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 10:16:37 AM
I'm not sure their rule but some books keep changing the suspended game rule on the fly. About a year ago there was a dispute with Bookmaker.eu because the first time this happened in a while they changed their rules specific to that game. In this case the bets carried over to the next day but wasn't what the rules said would happen. Then later they changed the rule again. It was a very valid complaint but SBR banned the poster and deleted the thread.  At the time was "don't worry it will work out for you next time". Well Bookmaker has altered their rules several times since and neither here nor there. Well this past week there was a game that restarted the next day. When the bet was made, till after it settled, till the player requested to talk to managers multiple times, Bookmakers rules clearly said that if the game is scheduled to resume within 7 days the bets stand (so they keep the bet pending up to 7 days if known will be replayed). This was shown both on their live wager rules and on their main baseball rules. A player has a dispute over a large sum. Guess what happens? Bookmaker alters the rule page and adds word playoffs to imply this only applies to playoff games. That is NOT how the rule read. By what was published on their website they owe a large payout.

Anyways Pinnacle has also had different rules at different times but were fair. Didn't change them after the fact. So point is, yes some sites do or had held bets up to 7 days (let alone 3) so that is far from universal. Secondly, bonus points to a site that is consistent with their rules on how that is handled as it is not standard. (it is a big world out there and bitcoin is global - nothing wrong with that baseball rule, and thus is not an issue.

The dead heat rule however is so unorthodox and something I never heard of before. It is also not fair. It doesn't just net out. The reason is because the push probabilities held are not equal on each side. It adds a new dynamic to handicapping where people always just cap push+win together. It's not one of those oh wow I didn't know okay next time I know and it was fair. Unless this is bold in red and a way players completely understand, I would call that one bordering on being a dishonest attempt to profit by including unorthodox rules. It is their business and they are free to do as they like, but would certainly view them negatively for doing that.


I found the dead heat rule interesting too since it adds value to the dog. The push percentage is approximately 6% on NBA quarters.

I agree with most of what you have said except for the suspended rule in baseball. That rule is now universal with Vegas books and books in Costa Rica.


2883  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 09, 2014, 09:41:33 AM
Looks like Webetcoins has now paid all players.

I spoke too soon. Iram3130 is posting that everyone has not been paid yet.
2884  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 09:22:51 AM
The odds closed -137 at ToteSport and BetFred (the online division of the 4th and 5th largest UK brick and mortars). It closed at -133 at Tipico (largest servicing turkey). At William Hill (largest in UK, Largest in USA) it was -137 hours before the match but closed -125. There was for sure better out there, a lot better. But Pinnacle had a 6 cent line on this match (-103 base) other bookies operate with vig. The odds were valid and similar to what many other sources had, and even better than those closers at major books I mentioned. The bet is valid. The terms are valid, the odds are correct. Not sure the issue here?


The odds were fine from what you posted. DirectBet is cloning lines from an exchange and adding lots of juice. That's why his hold is all over the place and they list lots of bets as "negotiate". When there are no offers at the exchange, it's "negotiate" at DirectBet.

Then he's mixing up the rules of an exchange with that of a sportsbook. Betfair had Nishikori as a future that was never taken down. As an individual game with a sportsbook where the betting is pregame and not "live betting", they have to list both players along with a date.

I think we all know the intent of the bet so that's not a big deal if the player agrees. DirectBet has a lot of cleaning up to do with their rules and tickets if they are working as a sportsbook.

No sportsbook takes a cut on pushes in the UFC and NBA quarters and halves. No sportsbook should have a 3 day rule in baseball during the regular season. Games are always settled same day even if suspended.



2885  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 09, 2014, 06:47:23 AM
Cloudbet are betting live on all NFL games this season. Check us out!


So now we have the below for live NFL. Anyone else?

Anonibet
Betcoinsports
BetVIP
Casinobitcoin
Cloudbet
2886  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 06:01:16 AM
A poster that goes by cornchip posted this

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With those odds the bet makes no sense.

A pre-tourney No Djokovic would mean player has to win or finish 2nd if Djok wins. But, that's pretty fked up for a tennis tourney with Nishikori on the same side of the draw. He can't finish 2nd to Djok, so any cut odds for eliminating Djok from the field is just a theft for guys on his side.

The odds were a bad price for the final today (closed -110 at pinny). I'm guessing something got fked up and it was a price for todays match just entered into the wrong event?
2887  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
Of course it won't be refunded. The bet was lost fairly.
You're saying that the odds were low? It was his own choice to make this bet.
I agree that the intent would make the player a loser. The odds were bad but I also agree that's irrelevant. It's just that all other sportsbooks refund money on improper tickets. DirectBet doesn't abide by universal rules. It's similar to players losing some money on ties. This only happens at DirectBet. It will be interesting to hear their new rule on this one. At least it will clear it up for the future.
2888  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 09, 2014, 05:34:07 AM
Looks like Webetcoins has now paid all players.
2889  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 04:31:09 AM
Those odds are really screwed up and his money should be returned. The bet was placed 8/25. This meant that Nishikori has to finish 1st. Or he can finish 2nd if Djokovic wins the tourney. Because Nishikori and Djokovic were on the same side of the draw, it was impossible for them to be 1 and 2. Those odds, as well as the bet, make absolutely no sense. -131 to win the tourney and he had to beat Djokovic along the way to the finals.



No, look up the transaction...from blockchain transaction of the bet: Received Time 2014-09-08 20:57:56  

He actually sent in the bet within seconds of the finals starting (couple days after Djokovic was already knocked out).





Whew. Glad we're all on the same page now.
Then the ticket is written incorrectly and the money should be refunded. The ticket doesn't list the name of the second player.

It's written up as future with a start date of 8/25  to win the open w/o Djokovic. It's cut and dry unless DirectBet is going to make up another rule.

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Event : Mens Tournament

Start Time : 08/25/2014 10:00

Competition : US Open 2014

Bet Type : Winner W/O Djokovic

Your Selection : Kei Nishikori @ -131.6 or better
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You are way off base tonight. It's written as the U.S. Open began on 8-25.
Every ticket for these types of events (if you remember the Wolrd Cup), every single one lists the opening day of the event.

You were caught being wrong. I posted the blockchain timestamp. You're better off leaving while you're way behind.

 Obviously the ticket was meant for the last match, even though -131 was terrible (closed -110 at other books), but intent has nothing to do with an improper ticket. Every other book would refund the bet. Djokovic should not have been listed. The ticket was written as a futures bet.
2890  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 03:58:39 AM
Those odds are really screwed up and his money should be returned. The bet was placed 8/25. This meant that Nishikori has to finish 1st. Or he can finish 2nd if Djokovic wins the tourney. Because Nishikori and Djokovic were on the same side of the draw, it was impossible for them to be 1 and 2. Those odds, as well as the bet, make absolutely no sense. -131 to win the tourney and he had to beat Djokovic along the way to the finals.



No, look up the transaction...from blockchain transaction of the bet: Received Time 2014-09-08 20:57:56  

He actually sent in the bet within seconds of the finals starting (couple days after Djokovic was already knocked out).





Whew. Glad we're all on the same page now.
Then the ticket is written incorrectly and the money should be refunded. The ticket doesn't list the name of the second player.

It's written up as future with a start date of 8/25  to win the open w/o Djokovic. It's cut and dry unless DirectBet is going to make up another rule.

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Event : Mens Tournament

Start Time : 08/25/2014 10:00

Competition : US Open 2014

Bet Type : Winner W/O Djokovic

Your Selection : Kei Nishikori @ -131.6 or better
Quote
2891  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 02:22:50 AM
Those odds are really screwed up and his money should be returned. The bet was placed 8/25. This meant that Nishikori has to finish 1st. Or he can finish 2nd if Djokovic wins the tourney. Because Nishikori and Djokovic were on the same side of the draw, it was impossible for them to be 1 and 2. Those odds, as well as the bet, make absolutely no sense. -131 to win the tourney and he had to beat Djokovic along the way to the finals.

2892  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 09, 2014, 12:49:17 AM
At least creditwagering was $1k instead of $5k. I liked the pictures of the stiffs and super stiffs.
2893  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 12:42:55 AM
Winner
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Your Selection : Kei Nishikori @ -131.6 or better

Quote
Bet Received :
Amount Received : 0.9998 BTC.

Bitcoin Transaction ID : ec2eddc09e2bbc4f9acff68d8d5e9a8046c8692b61e0b64cc025967e3d80899b

Confirmed Odds : -131.6
2894  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 09, 2014, 12:29:23 AM
Both ways settle on Friday? You pay the players and they pay you?
2895  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 09, 2014, 12:16:19 AM
Yes, as long as they are at least a JR. member.
BETBANKS.COM

ALSO GIVING OUT $20.00 IN FREE BETS TONIGHT ONLY.



Betbanks - Welcome to the thread. Are you offering $5k in credit to posters?
Week run Mon thru Sunday? When do you settle?
2896  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 08, 2014, 11:54:31 PM
BETBANKS.COM

ALSO GIVING OUT $20.00 IN FREE BETS TONIGHT ONLY.



Betbanks - Welcome to the thread. Are you offering $5k in credit to posters?
2897  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 08, 2014, 11:46:19 PM
Books offering Monday night football live betting:

Anonibet
Betcoinsports
BetVIP
Casinobitcoin

if I'm missing a book, post it.
2898  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 08, 2014, 10:35:00 PM
Agent for Betbanks is offering credit. I think this gets ugly in a hurry. No one offers $5k credit to an unknown. Is there anyone that believes this guy is legit?

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Do you have a good rating here?

Do you need a line of credit?

I will fund player accounts up to $5,000.00 USD. or in BitCoin, Dodge, or any other method. 5% FLAT RATE


Thanks,
Don.

2899  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 08, 2014, 05:53:47 PM
It was handled in the most professional matter. I respect nitrogensports for doing what they did. This is why they are the most legitimate book for btc.
Glad to hear that and thanks for the follow up post.
2900  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 08, 2014, 05:44:19 PM
I currently have a large pending issue with nitrogensports

Action that was taken late is always refunded on their site. However they definitely had lopsided action on a side and decided not to cancel late wagers. Bet was placed 8 minutes into the start of a match and lost. The bet was available on the board 20 minutes into the match because it had the wrong time listed on nitrogen. I was unaware the match had started when I placed the bet, but figured out immediately after when I went to check the score.
If I have your approval I can look into it.
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