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2881  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Best Bitcoin sportsbook? on: August 21, 2014, 09:43:28 PM


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2882  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Best Bitcoin sportsbook? on: August 21, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
I have read a bit of bit coin sportsbooks.  I check and from what i read the main legit sites are


1.  Anonibet
2.  Nitrogensports
3.  Cloudbet
4.  Betcoinsports



I like to bet the american sports only.  Such as MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL.  The sportsbooks that i have had experience with are the offshore books.  


However, when i look at the lines in these books, they are heavily juiced.   I read nitrogensports is a pinnacle clone.. but if thats the case, why is the juice so high?  Example in a baseball game where pinnacle sports or 5dimes which has reduced juice or other books, you have 10 cent lines on the ML and 10 cent lines on the total.


If at pinnacle or 5dimes, you have Seattle -105, Houston will be similarly -105 or so roughly.  If you have a team where they are -170, the other side will probably be -160 or -158 or so.  However if its a book that uses a 20 cent line like bookmaker then it would be +150.  


I looked at a few of these sportsbooks and the juice is very high.  Example i saw a team -168 ML in baseball.  The other side was +135.  Thats a 30 cent line which is ridiculous.  Even the lines in vegas are better.


I did notice that the nfl season, many of these books are -105 or -106 juice.  Thats very good.  However, how can baseball moneyline odds be this high vig?  Even the totals are not that good.  The runlines are even worst.  I mean if you have lines where its +120 one side then -155 the other side, thats a lot of juice.


It doesn't make sense why the juice is so high.  Yes you can bet on games but its going to be very hard to win betting a sport like baseball with that kind of vig.  


Does anyone know if anything will be done soon where the juice gets much better?  Does anyone know how the juice is like for nba/nhl?  From what i see the vig is one of the worst i have ever seen for betting baseball.  
I agree with most of what you have written but I would add casinobitcoin in the mix. Their baseball lines are fairly competitive ML, RL and total.

Soccer: Anonibet. Lots of offerings, props, live betting.

For NFL I like:
Nitrogen -105
Betcoinsports -106
Casinobitcoin -106

The lines aren't identical so you can use all three. Some list alt lines.


 
2883  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 21, 2014, 07:25:27 PM
Update:

2884  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 21, 2014, 06:30:39 PM
Because 5Dimes requires personal information it's been very tough for me to determine how heavily that should be weighted. My personal opinion is that we are using bitcoin to be anonymous and for fast transactions. Any opinions on a rating for 5Dimes?

They are a great cash book but not so good for those looking at the advantages of bitcoin books.
2885  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 21, 2014, 06:22:45 PM
Here's a question that was asked over at OGD. Any books want to reply to the props question? It will help us here and I'll also bring it back to OGD.

In regards to the NFL discussion
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Approx. lines breaking at different prices.

Nitrogen -105 Pinny clone.
CasinoBitcoin -106
Betcoinsports -106

I'm not sure what Anonibet will do since they are only putting up MLs now

Eddie Eagle
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Any 5dimes clones, with props and stuff?

You won't need a 5 Dimes clone soon as they have announced that they're going to be accepting BTC directly!
That's great news. The only downfall I see is getting limited and giving out personal information. They also use teaser protection so 1.5-2.5 and 7.5-8.5 doesn't exist. They make 2.5 a heavy 1.
2886  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Gamblers, be careful with Coinbase! on: August 21, 2014, 10:19:39 AM
Coinbase started asking for social security numbers when they transfer money from Coinbase to a bank account. I don't know if they do it with everyone but I know of some.
2887  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 21, 2014, 04:04:05 AM
DirectBet- How did you handle the Cubs/SF game Tuesday? It was bottom of the 4th with the Cubs batting and winning 2-0. The game was postponed and will restart Thursday. Are you holding the tickets for 3 days?  Everyone else has already graded it.

This game was not postponed. An official result was declared yesterday and therefore all bets were settled based on the official result.

The 3 days holding rule specifically refers to cases where "an official result is not declared".

Following is the relevant information from our Rules page in regards to this game :
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All bets will be settled on the official result of the relevant governing body regardless of any subsequent disqualification or amendment to the result.
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SF appealed and the game is continued tomorrow but you are technically right since a decision on the appeal wasn't heard until today. I'm still surprised that you are the only book keeping the 3 day rule since you will be grading bets differently than the others. Luckily the umps called it a rain out instead of a postponement or you would have run into a mess of problems.
2888  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 21, 2014, 03:54:45 AM
Are any of you books offering 6 point teasers in the NFL and NCAA football? I think a lot of us like playing teasers.
2889  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: August 21, 2014, 02:46:29 AM
DirectBet- How did you handle the Cubs/SF game Tuesday? It was bottom of the 4th with the Cubs batting and winning 2-0. The game was postponed and will restart Thursday. Are you holding the tickets for 3 days?  Everyone else has already graded it. Someone had to play this game with you.
2890  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 20, 2014, 11:51:17 PM
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Withdrawing to Coinbase
August 20, 2014Bitcoin, Jenny
There’s been a lot of talk this week about the concerns around withdrawing to Coinbase when you’re using your bitcoins to gamble. A few bettors have received emails like the following from Coinbase:
“Upon review of your Coinbase account, we have determined that we can no longer provide you access to Coinbase Services. Please understand that Coinbase is a regulated Money Service Business under the FinCEN division of the U.S. Treasury Department and as such, we are required to review accounts in order to ensure compliance with regulations.

Gambling is illegal under US law even if you live outside of the US we cannot provide services to your account for the purpose of any type of gambling activity.”

Anonymity and security are always at the top of our minds, so we’d like to take a moment to reassure you that  we don’t use a single address to withdraw your bitcoins from Nitrogen Sports.  Your deposit address can also be changed (up to 5 times a day) if you’d like to ensure that you’re getting a completely brand new deposit address every time.
If you have any concerns about the security of your bitcoin, please don’t ever hesitate to give us a shout! Please submit a support ticket, and one of our amazing support staff would be happy to walk you through how we ensure your anonymity.
2891  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 20, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
edit since this applies to casino.
2892  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 20, 2014, 07:56:48 PM
How are you guys turning your bitcoins to cash? I'm cutting out Coinbase.

You couldn't pay me to use a US based exchange.

Your best bet is private deals through localbitcoins. If you prefer exchanges, Bitfinex, Justcoin and Hitbtc are all good options (none of these exchanges would even dare to ask you what you are doing with YOUR money).

The balls on Coinbase!
Thanks
2893  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 20, 2014, 07:21:34 PM
FYI - Just an announcement - we are trialing "live betting" with MLB right now!

https://www.casinobitco.in/sportsbook/mlb-live

We will be offering Live Betting in Tennis, NFL, NCAAF and all other major US markets as they get back into play!



That's great. I wish that more books would get into the live betting in bases but you really have to get some better lines than -556/+225.
2894  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 20, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
Anonibet still doesn't offer boxing. 
I'm sorry that I didn't make this change earlier as I know you told me about it.

2895  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 20, 2014, 05:32:09 PM
ctlaltdefeat on Fairlay
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I had a very unique experience with this site: Around a week ago, my computer was infected with a trojan that presumably stole all my sessions and cookies. The attacker proceeded to sift through my various online accounts and requested withdrawals to his address on all my bitcoin-related accounts; I had around 2BTC on fairlay. When I noticed this the next day, I immediately sent an email to Fairlay asking not to process the withdrawal. I received an email back stating that the withdrawal would not be sent. Unfortunately, likely through a miscommunication or the like, the withdrawal did go through and the attacker received my 2BTC, I was really devastated. To my surprise however, after I emailed support about this, the owner of the site claimed responsibility for the lack of miscommunication and completely reimbursed me the 2BTC, out of his own pocket. So that should tell you how they treat their customers Smiley
Otherwise, I like the site. In general I like the idea of a bitcoin betting exchange. In addition, the commission is really low (2% on net winnings), and the interface is really clean and user friendly.

Nitrogen also has a 2% commission on their exchange.
2896  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 20, 2014, 05:29:14 PM

Books - Let me know if you offer Nascar. Thanks

JETWIN offers NASCAR

Thanks

2897  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 20, 2014, 05:24:40 PM
How are you guys turning your bitcoins to cash? I'm cutting out Coinbase.
2898  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 20, 2014, 05:22:15 PM
Be careful using coinbase.

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Upon review of your Coinbase account, we have determined that we can no longer provide you access to Coinbase Services. Please understand that Coinbase is a regulated Money Service Business under the FinCEN division of the U.S. Treasury Department and as such, we are required to review accounts in order to ensure compliance with regulations.
Gambling is illegal under US law even if you live outside of the US we cannot provide services to your account for the purpose of any type of gambling activity.
Please note that we have not blocked access to the bitcoin balance currently in your Coinbase account; while we can no longer process transactions of this bitcoin via our banking relationship, you may send this bitcoin to a local wallet or another bitcoin address.
In the event that your controls change and you are able to prevent such activity from occurring on your platform please let us know and we’d be happy to review your compliance program and evaluate your account to see if we can support it in the future.
http://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/2dxuqw/be_careful_seals_users_coinbase_has_blocked_me/




   
"Coinbase demanding to know where btc are being sent."


http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2aagzi/coinbase_demanding_to_know_where_btc_are_being/

From Gogo's link
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Sent out some coins this morning from my Coinbase wallet.
Coinbase has a screen now as part of the "Send Money" process that demands to know if it is going to "My Personal Wallet" or "A Merchant".
I selected "A Merchant", and it demanded the Merchant's name. I tried to send leaving it blank, wouldn't send, message "Cannot leave merchant's name blank".
Goodbye Coinbase.
2899  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 20, 2014, 07:16:55 AM
This is from Premiumtradings. They are a new agent.

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For those of you who need:
PremiumTradings is offering VPN service for registered customers. It will assit you in accessing bookies which are blocked due to your Geo-location.
The biggest advantage: We offer a VPN which is working only on chosen browser, so basically you can have our VPN IP on Firefox, while working with your real IP on Chrome.
Cost is 0.5€ p/day.
For members who deposit 10K plus - service is for free!
Contact our operators gor additional info.

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PremiumTradings is sports brokerage service owned by BELLONA N.V group, with valid Gaming license no. 8048/JAZ issued by the gaming commission of Curacao.
Established by some of the pioneers of the online sports betting industry, the agency is taking advantage of the close relationships we hold with all top leading Asian bookies in order to be able to provide you with a rich portfolio of betting accounts, bigger than any other agency can provide.

We offer:
- Accounts with the best Asian bookies around, all under one roof
- Confidential service: VPN service, Bitcoins, easy KYC procedure- we have it all!
- Ultra fast transactions without the usual bookie hassles
- Easy transfers between accounts and friends
- Friendly VIP customer support service
- Additional tools for professional punters

We currently support transactions with Skrill, NETELLER (Euro, USD, GBP), Bitcoin and Bank wires.
The service is free of charge, besides low cost transaction fees, as following:
Deposits: First ever deposit is for free of charge. Any further deposits: up to €2,000- 3%; €2,001 up to €10,000- 2%; €10,001 and up- 1% (better talk to us first   Smiley )
Withdrawals: You get on free withdrawal per calendar month. Any additional withdrawals are charged with 1 % over the transaction amount.

One request from you guys: We are not a bookie!  We don’t force any rollover requirements and we are not looking to hassle our customers with “small letters” terms. Yet, note that we are aiming to serve loyal customers and can’t provide the same terms for those who wish to place 3-4 bets and cash out!
2900  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: August 20, 2014, 06:54:29 AM
More from AsianConnect

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Regards,
Asianconnect
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