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2881  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do You Accept Bitcoin? on: October 07, 2010, 06:09:07 PM
Response from LastPass
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There's no way our average customer is going to download a P2P app to pay - they want to do everything in the browser. We have a hard enough time just getting people to use PayPal.

You should point out that no downloads are required with http://www.mybitcoin.com/
2882  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Vanity bitcoin addresses: a new way to keep your CPU busy on: October 07, 2010, 08:09:37 AM
This article on base58 includes a list of valid characters:
http://icoloma.blogspot.com/2010/03/create-your-own-bitly-using-base58.html
2883  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is bit coin legal in the US? on: October 06, 2010, 10:31:56 PM
I am not a lawyer.

But it looks to me like No, just running Bitcoin doesn't make you a "money transmitting business."  To be a "business" you have to be charging people for your service.

If you're running Bitcoin to buy or sell goods or services in exchange for bitcoins, I'd say you're not in the money transmitting business.

However, if I were to start a company in the business of buying and selling Bitcoins, or that was a Bitcoin payment processing intermediary that took a percentage of transactions between buyers and sellers, I'd talk to a lawyer and jump through all the legal hoops (looks like here in Massachusetts I'd need a license and would have to post a $50,000 bond).

Or to put it in more concrete terms:  I am not a money transmitting business when I use my credit card to pay for something from Amazon.com.
And Amazon.com is not a money transmitting business just because they accept payments.

However, Amazon Payments, Inc. (Amazon's Paypal competitor) is licensed as a money service business in a bunch of US states.


Bitcoin Market and MTGox might need to worry about this.

Both BCM and MTGOX cost nothing to use.  MTGOX used to use a spread to make a small amount of money, but that went away, possibly to avoid being mistaken for a money services business.
2884  Economy / Economics / Re: Stable Exchange Rate? on: October 06, 2010, 10:29:13 PM
Does anybody know of open source software that performs automated trading?
I found http://www.geniustrader.org/ but perhaps there are others.

How do you interface your auto trading program with MtGox? Do you simulate keyboard input or is there  a less clumsy way of doing it?

MtGox is easy:  it's all JavaScript, which means the code that handles login, buy, sell, add, withdraw is publicly visible, available for inspection and study.  It uses HTML form values, HTTP cookies and JSON data.  Any web programmer worth his salt knows how to use those.
2885  Economy / Economics / Re: Stable Exchange Rate? on: October 06, 2010, 07:55:23 PM
Does anybody know of open source software that performs automated trading?

I found http://www.geniustrader.org/ but perhaps there are others.

2886  Economy / Marketplace / Re: BiddingPond.com discussion on: October 06, 2010, 07:48:01 PM
please consider this as a bug report:

you should not reveal bidder's usernames in auction history or high bidder display to the world.

Are you sure you're not logged in, looking at your own auction?

AFAICT from my own auction, the bidder names were only revealed when I was logged in, looking at my own auctions.
2887  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Tor connections not working reliably, many seednodes offline on: October 06, 2010, 02:39:00 AM
IMO, there needs to be a method besides IRC and compiled-in seed nodes.  A middle ground.

Maybe a few volunteers could independently host a DNS zone that returns a fresh list of nodes as 'A' records.  A simple cron job could fetch fresh addresses from the bitcoin client, to update the DNS zone every so often.  A DNS lookup would be far faster than an IRC connection, and if we have enough volunteers, the loss of a DNS server or two would not impact the service.
2888  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Taxation on: October 06, 2010, 12:13:27 AM
lol, apparently the two CPAs I queried are useful idiots too Smiley

Sometimes this board can get pretty silly and imaginative, when it comes to naive attempts to dodge the taxman.
2889  Economy / Marketplace / USD $50 VISA debit card on: October 05, 2010, 11:24:01 PM
Auction: http://www.biddingpond.com/item.php?id=81

Bidding starts at 1 BTC - no reserve!  (950 BTC buy-it-now price)


Item:

$50 VISA gift card (aka debit card), activated, unused.

Details:

This is a VISA card number that may be used for online or real-world purchases all over the world.

This VISA gift card was purchased from Wal-Mart in October 2010.  Expires July 2018.  Activated via www.walmartgift.com.

You are purchasing online access to this gift card (ie. number, security code, password to walmartgift.com to change registered address).  If you want the card itself, you must add 50 BTC for shipping and handling to a United States address.  For non-US addresses, you must add 160 BTC for shipping, handling and customs.

You must register a US address at walmartgift.com in order to use this debit card for shopping online.
2890  Economy / Economics / FT: IMF warns on exchange rate wars on: October 05, 2010, 11:15:15 PM
URL: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/304e7430-d0c1-11df-8667-00144feabdc0.html

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Governments are risking a currency war if they try to use exchange rates to solve domestic problems, the head of the International Monetary Fund has warned.

The comments by Dominique Strauss-Kahn came before the yen fell as a result of the Bank of Japan shifting towards quantitative monetary easing, cutting its key interest rate and proposing a new fund to buy government bonds and other assets.

“There is clearly the idea beginning to circulate that currencies can be used as a policy weapon,” Mr Strauss-Kahn told the Financial Times on Monday.
2891  Economy / Economics / Re: Organised crime on: October 05, 2010, 08:21:05 PM
As an example, the US has a large, on-going effort to track banks that accept large amounts of Federal Reserve Notes, interdicting those banks who accept deposits from criminals.  Several banks in Macau were shut down, for example, because they accepted lots of FRNs from

You are assuming that criminals need to deposit their illegally-derived cash into a bank. This is a myth; perpetuated by the movies and the general media.

Most of the smarter/larger criminals just deal in cash directly. Why would they risk depositing any of it when they can spend it back into the general economy again for commodities (supplies, etc)? These commodities can be traded yet again as.. well.. money. Banks are not needed.

No -- you are making the assumption that a cash-only existence is possible for large criminals.  If that was true, then money laundering would not exist, because it would not be necessary.

But it does.  Drug kingpins have so much cash it is quite literally a problem of size.  After paying all their flunkies, and buying illegal guns and such, they are still stuck with bales of FRNs.  That's why the Feds target any place that might accept large amounts of cash for legitimate items -- cars, houses, boats, non-illegal businesses.

It is surprisingly difficult to spend large amounts of cash without getting noticed, and that is by design.
2892  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is bit coin legal in the US? on: October 05, 2010, 07:57:15 PM
My one reservation  is the involvement of the Thiel foundation.Peter Thiel is behind Paypal.I wonder why paypal rolls over so easily to the feds if he actually believes what the foundation is about.I wonder what his opinion would be on bitcoin.

What evidence shows that Peter Thiel was involved in those decisions?  PT has not been Paypal management for a while.
2893  Economy / Marketplace / Re: BiddingPond.com discussion on: October 05, 2010, 07:12:01 PM
FWIW, I have no clue about how I will get paid for my auction.  The payment process, for buyers and sellers, appears to be completely undocumented.

Do buyers directly pay sellers, or is biddingpond.com an intermediary?
Using a payment processor at biddingpond.com, or simply using the bitcoin client?

Inquiring minds want to know Smiley  The 'help' section is basically empty.
2894  Economy / Marketplace / Re: USD $100 VISA debit card on: October 05, 2010, 07:05:28 PM
I wonder if snipers lurk on biddingpond.com, as they do on ebay.

8.5 hours to go!  Smiley
2895  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BitcoinMedia - promotion ideas and content production. on: October 05, 2010, 05:21:56 PM
Are wallet.dat files from Windows usable under Linux, and vice versa?
2896  Economy / Economics / Re: Organised crime on: October 05, 2010, 06:05:31 AM
How do they cut off the supply of USD/EUR to a criminal? Revoke all all of the bank notes in existence? I'm confused. You must be referring to electronic transfers.

Most criminals are not that stupid. They demand bank notes. Bitcoins are more like bank notes. Law enforcement are forced to go after the criminals directly. That's the way it should be.

I'm referring to both bank notes and electronic transfers.

As an example, the US has a large, on-going effort to track banks that accept large amounts of Federal Reserve Notes, interdicting those banks who accept deposits from criminals.  Several banks in Macau were shut down, for example, because they accepted lots of FRNs from North Korea.  You hear similar stories out of Mexico, where drug cartels have stupidly large amounts of FRNs.  The Feds play whack-a-mole with banks who accept large volumes of FRNs from drug kingpins.

You're incredibly naive if you think FRN flows are not actively tracked.  The Feds target digitization points -- ie. a location, usually a bank, that accepts paper USD in exchange for electronic USD credit in an account.  Additionally, many standard FRN counting/sorting machines, such as those found in casinos or banks, have the ability to scan the bill's serial number, thus providing another tracking point.  Ever heard of "marked bills?"  You don't need a special ink or marker -- law enforcement only needs to enter a bill's serial number into a Federal Reserve database somewhere.

The whole system is set up to marginalize (and de facto criminalize) large cash operations of any sort, legal or illegal.  Death by 1,000 paper cuts.

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Blaming the money system for crime is like blaming the ocean for a drowning.

If that's a response to my post...  I was not casting any blame, nor making any judgements.  Just recounting the goal and reality of today's worldwide cash tracking operations.
2897  Economy / Economics / Re: Organised crime on: October 05, 2010, 05:21:16 AM

Like it or not, cutting off a criminal's money supply has been proven a highly effective method of targeting and neutralizing individual criminals.  Law enforcement will always want power over money, be it USD or EUR or Pecunix or bitcoin.
2898  Economy / Marketplace / Re: USD $100 VISA debit card on: October 05, 2010, 03:18:28 AM
Bump.  24 hours to go, and the current bid is 525 BTC:

That's ~ $32 for a $100 VISA debit card that can be used anywhere VISA is accepted.
2899  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Taxation on: October 05, 2010, 02:05:08 AM
But I know of no equivalence between Bitcoins and FRNs. They belong to two unrelated accounting systems. As long as no one says anything blatantly stupid, such as "Rate of BTC to USD = $0.25", the Bitcoin will be useless in determining your tax rate.

You mean, like the numbers found on http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/ ?
2900  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Taxation on: October 04, 2010, 10:47:49 PM
That would certainly be violating the law (the tax code): http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc420.html

I won't speculate on your chances of being caught...
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