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2881  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence on: June 18, 2022, 09:42:31 AM
^^ I think it will back fire on Crawford if this fight will break down just because he wants more or at least 50/50. He is a good fighter no doubt, but his PPV numbers are not that good compare to Spence and he should accept that fact.

So we can say that Spence is the A-sde and could be dictating the terms. But that should be fine with Crawford. What is foremost is that this fight is going to be made without any manager excuses on the side of Crawford. Because that has been the sticking point ever since, Bob Arum doesn't want to deal or wont allow Crawford face a PBC fighter. That is eliminate since he is managing his own career now.

Spence has nothing to lose if Crawford will choose not to make this fight happen, both are still undefeated but based on the number of belts, Spence has an edge and most of his opponents are quality opponents compared to Crawford. He should not be greedy here, be smart and take the chance even if he only gets 40% of the total purse or revenue.

Yes, you are right that mate, they are both undefeated and this fight will happen maybe the best fighter win and claim the belts. But there's no formal announcement yet for this fight maybe it will happen in the last month of this year.
Also I agree with you mate that Spencer must not be too much greedy for this fight cause if. He doo that for sure Crawford will use that as a big advantage wait for the timing and boom spence will loss.

If this fight won't materialized, it will be Crawford's loss as he needs Spence more than the latter needs him. But I certainly believe that this fight won't just remain a hype and eventually we can get some updates soon regarding to its date and place as well as the time, Crawford has been waiting for this and now Spence is answering. A 40% purse cut is already big on his behalf because he is now free agent unlike Spence who have promoter to share with.
2882  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 (September 17) on: June 17, 2022, 06:40:21 PM
That can be right as we don't know yet what would be Canelo's next move after he's finished with GGG but the way I see it, he will go for Bivol again to settle his score, he may be the challenger but he needs it to regain his name after that defeat. It cannot be denied that Canelo's name and hype has been affected after that so avoiding a rematch will not restore him as it will be clear that he can't go and defeat boxers in Light-heavyweight and Segey Kovalev will be his only trophy in the said division.

It is also possible that Canelo would try to redeem his honor and try to get back at Bivol. But the way I see it, that would be a futile plan. If I were Canelo, I'd rather face somebody who is much more popular and would be much more profitable to fight against but would be an easier opponent.

Bivol was too huge and too strong for Canelo. I also thought that Canelo could handle him because he already had knocked out a man of a similar weight before. But then if we take a look at Kovalev and compare him to Bivol. Kovalev was on his way down when he was faced with Canelo. Bivol was still a young and undefeated fighter when he defeated Canelo. They were of the same age and on top of their careers.

It is possible, yes, but I think we know Canelo enough that his motive in this industry was not to get an easy opponent even if it's profitable. I say he would go at his limit to have his own legacy and the money will follow anywhere he goes as any fight he would get will be full packed as well as PPV revenue's that he could make.

Aside from Bivol being huge, he's more comfortable at his own division while Canelo was indeed struggling at that weight class. About their power, I'd say they're somehow equal and fair. In the past, he's looking to move at cruiserweight, right? And that didn't materialized as he definitely know that he is just a somebody at that division.
2883  Local / Pamilihan / Re: NBA discussion, betting and etc. on: June 17, 2022, 05:50:43 PM
Finish na, grabe yong panalo ng mga Warriors' believers ngayon dahil sila pa yong underdog sa larong ito @2.45 ata, congrats sa inyo at buti nalang at niliitan ko yong pusta ko sa Boston ngayon para sa plano ko hehehe (above post).

Nanaig talaga yong pagka-beterano ng mga Warriors lalo na si Curry, kung anong sama ng 3-point PG niya noong game 5 ay binawi naman niya ito ngayon, ika nga you can't put a good man down hehe.

Panigurado may natutunan din tong mga batang Celtics na magagamit nila sa susunod na season, malas nga lang nila na peak pa yong laro ni Steph at finally nakakuha na rin siya ng Finals MVP award.

Wala naman akong masasabi sa pinakita ng Boston pero gaya ng sinabi mo nasa peak pa talaga si Curry tapos yung support nila Thompson, Poole

Green at lalo na ni Wiggins yun talaga yung nagpakalas sa laro na to, anlupit nilang lahat kahit sino pa yung lima na nasa loob same play same

ikot yung ginagawa nila, wala silang kaba kung sino ang titira. Sobra yung tiwala nila sa isat isa yung ung lamang talaga ng GSW sa series na to'

tapos na at siguradong madaming pinoy ang lasing ngayon  hahahah!

Tama, tira lang ng tira kaya maganda ang laro ng Warriors kahit meron pa silang player na nag struggle.
Gaya nito game 6, hindi rin maganda ang laro ni Thompson, 5-20 lang ang shooting niya pero kahit pa ganyan nag dominate pa rin ang Warriors.

Curry 34 points and 6-11 from 3 point range, ang ganda ng bounce back game niya, deserving to be the Finals MVP.

Bounce back talaga from 0-9 naging 6-11, hindi naman talaga ako maniniwala na hindi parin sya makakagawa ng kahit isang 3 points man lang sa game kanina. Sobrang solid talaga nila, iba talaga pag veteran sa Finals kasi sila ang mas madaling makaka adjust sa mga sitwasyon na kailangan.

Nagulat ako bigla nung pag announce na 1st time pa pala nya maging Finals MVP, napaisip ako kung sino ang naging Finals MVP nung back-to-back nila, nandun pala si Durant kaya hindi si Curry ang nakakuha. Ganun paman, atleast ngayon nakakuha na sya kahit 1st at ito na ata ang pang-apat nilang singsing.
2884  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: June 17, 2022, 05:17:28 PM
Just surprised though that this is not a PPV event, anyhow, I would have to agree with you here. Joe Smith will be in survival mode in this fight and I don't know what will be his strategy because Beterviev is pure power a beast in the ring.

Over/Under 8.5 rounds is the opening line, while the ML is:

Beterviev - 1.14
Smith Jr - 5.60

Have made a thread featuring Beterviev on his last fight as this guy is amazing for because he has a 100 percent knockout ratio,

The question now, will he continue the streak or this will be broken by Joe Smith with the help of his bicycle, Joe will be fighting just to survive the full 12 rounds so i might take the Beterviev by Decision @4.70.


That is a tough decision because as you said Artur Beterviev has a 100% knockout rate and chances are good that he can continue his streak but Joe Smith vowed in the past few days that he will end Artur's KO streak, so my guess will be same as you, the latter will go fighting while trying to survive Artur's ferocious punches. For now, that will remain a question until the announcer announces who will win the fight later but you might be right and the odds to win by decision are tasty too.
2885  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence on: June 16, 2022, 07:13:08 PM
Spence has the 3 belts (WBC, IBF, and WBA recently from defeating Ugas) so he has done more cleaning in this division than Crawford did because he only got the WBO belt since 2018.

That is because  Terence Crawford never had a chance to compete with big names under Top Rank promotions which he always requested. Also, the fact that Spence is dodging Crawford because the latter thinks it's not worth his time. Spence on the other hand always got his preferred fight and make sure he will win all his title fights and that's what he is today claiming 3 Championship belts under WBC, IBF, and WBA as you have mentioned.

In Terence Crawford's fight history, the expected fight against Spence will be the biggest fight in his career. If he was able to unify all the Welterweight titles beating Spence if ever, Crawford will now begin to move up weight to extend some good credentials on his career. He has lots of targets if successfully defeated Spence in the process.

That's also why he decides to leave and didn't re-sign under the roof of the Top Rank Promotions after he fought and won against Shawn Porter. Bob Arum was just milking him too much without understanding his boxers as they too have boxers in my mind to help them in climbing the ladder. Now that he's a free agent, he can decide anything and will earn more without giving some cut to his promoters.

Are there any updates about this fight? Hopefully, they can announce it before the end of June.
Well that's what promoters did before Crawford, Bob Arum milk the hell out of Manny and when he lost, Manny has an excused not to sign with him.

And it seems this is also the way Tank Davis is going with his career, not to sign with Floyd and be a freelancer so that he can make his own fight. Fight that we fans deserved, after all we are the one bringing the money for this top boxers so they understand if we didn't get the fight we wanted.

I feel bad for Crawford because Bob Arum denied him to have a good future and legacy like Spence had experienced that's why the latter is holding 3 belts and Crawford has only one in his possession because of Arum being overprotective so that Crawford will always win to milk him as always. Top Rank Promotions is not as good anymore and they will be avoided by other boxers because they already know what Arum could bring and certainly that's not legacy.

On Davis part, he's already a freelancer after that fight against Romero. Tank managed to decide much earlier while he is still at his prime because he knows that his talent will be put to waste if he will be just with Mayweather.

WWE is fake?      
You mean, all these years you honestly thought WWE is real? Huh Man! Where have you been?

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WWE shows are not legitimate contests but entertainment-based performance theater, featuring storyline-driven, scripted, and partially-choreographed matches; however, matches often include moves that can put performers at risk of injury, even death, if not performed correctly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE#:~:text=As%20in%20other%20professional%20wrestling,even%20death%2C%20if%20not%20performed
2886  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 (September 17) on: June 16, 2022, 06:47:56 PM
i am also not thinking that after fighting with ggg, his next aim is a rematch with bivol. i believe that was not on the table before. but we knew that he had a contract to fight GGG even before his bivol's fight. because their trilogy is like finishing the unfinished business.
as GGG is the underdog with this upcoming fight, it will be a good motivation for him to beat Canelo. also, he had seen the bivol's fight so he has idea on where to poke Canelo to beat him. the odds are good if some of you here are going for GGG.

As I previously posted, it was reported Canelo reached an agreement to fight Bivol plus two more fights in 2022 in exchange for $160 million.

The fight against Bivol was already done and next on the line is GGG. I'm not sure who's the 3rd one and I doubt they can insert that fight until the end of the year. Maybe the best logical guess is after GGG, the third fight on Canelo's schedule on that $160M agreement will be on 1Q of 2023.

After finishing that whole year's agreement, the rematch will Bivol will now take place although I doubt if Bivol will still accept the challenge of Canelo.

It was Eddie Hearn advised as well that Canelo should skipped with the Bivol rematch and go with a trilogy with GGG. Maybe they think that Canelo's chances is higher since GGG is old enough and that Canelo will regain back his glory if he defeated his archfoe. And then go for Bivol rematch next year in May in Bivol is willing to give him the rematch. And it boils down to the offer, if they gave offer more than the first fight, maybe he is willing to give Canelo a rematch.

Not sure how many fights did Canelo sign with Matchroom and Eddie Hearn, maybe 3-4 fights I reckon. So maybe it was a good advised to fight GGG first, the money is there and Canelo could have made more money than having a rematch fight with Bivol and the chance for him to lose back to back is high. So good call for them. It's easy to book Canelo's fight next year so I agree that it might take place 1Q of 2023 for the Bivol fight.

I'm not even sure if Canelo is really interested to have a rematch against Bivol. I think he'd be more interested to face much smaller opponents with equal or even bigger paychecks next time. In their fight, even if it was so close it almost ended in a draw in the official scorecards of the judges, it was very clear that Canelo was having a really hard time hitting, much more hurting, Bivol. He simply couldn't handle Bivol.

That can be right as we don't know yet what would be Canelo's next move after he's finished with GGG but the way I see it, he will go for Bivol again to settle his score, he may be the challenger but he needs it to regain his name after that defeat. It cannot be denied that Canelo's name and hype has been affected after that so avoiding a rematch will not restore him as it will be clear that he can't go and defeat boxers in Light-heavyweight and Segey Kovalev will be his only trophy in the said division.
2887  Local / Pamilihan / Re: NBA discussion, betting and etc. on: June 16, 2022, 06:22:09 PM
Panalo ang Warriors diyan kasi 4-1.5 is equal to 2.5 tapos ang score lang ng Boston is 2 lang, so in short panalo ka.
Actually, pustahan sa labas +1 or -1 game lang naman yan eh, ewan ko kung bakit may 0.5 pa sa mga bookies natin.

Salamat sa sagot kabayan, yan din ang nasa isip ko pero hindi ako sigurado kasi nga first time ko na nakapusta sa "outright" na option na ito sa bookies hehe.

Ano pala plano mo kabayan, pwede pa share? haha

Plano ko kasi na ipusta ang kalahati ng amount na yon pabor sa Boston sa game6 para kahit sinong manalo ay may kalahati akong makukuha which is profit din naman kung tutuusin  Grin. Not too greedy lang kabayan haha.
 
Sample computation:
100 x 4.8 = 480 (panalo ko kung mananalo ang Warriors pero kung talo wala)

200 x 2 = 400 (ito ang pusta ko next game pabor sa Boston)

100 + 200 = 300 (puhunan ko)
480 - 300 = 180 (pag panalo ng Warriors sa game6)
400 - 300 = 100 (pag nanalo ang Boston sa game6)

Anong tingin nyo rito hehe?

Yung 0.5 eh additional house edge para sa house hehehe at para satin bettors sakit ng ulo, biruin mo isang puntos na lang natalo pa tayo eh kung walang 0.5 na nakadagdag eh sure win na tayo hehehe.

Maganda tong plano mo, ginagawa ko rin dati, kahit sa offline casino hehehehe. At least win-win situation yan. Ok lang na hindi ka maging greedy, basta ang mahalaga may panalo ka sa laro kesa isang koponan o parlay ang tayaan mo malaki ang risk.

Nakukulitan din ako minsan dyan sa mga 0.5 sa sports bookies eh pero nung kalaunan ang ginawa ko nalang dinirect ko nalang sa 1 halimbawa, sa 6.5 ay nirekta ko na ng flat 7 para hindi masakit sa mata tingnan haha. Dagdag sagabal lang talaga yan lalo na pag 1 point shy lang ang pagitan.

Enjoy lang mga kabayan, taya lang kung merong mga spare funds para hindi masyadong masakit pag matalo. Pero okay din yang sa'yo kabayan, di ka talo dyan.
2888  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: June 16, 2022, 05:54:32 PM
Yes same here, I didn't even know that Dmitrii Bivol was this good because he managed to put Canelo Alvarez on his place. I know that Bivol is a champion but I don't watch the fights in this division but when I saw him fighting against Canelo and defeated him makes me see more fights in this division. Especially this Artur Beterbiev who have a 100% KO rate with the same nationality of Bivol.
This is quite natural because from the start Bivol was not superior and became the underdog there, even I lost my money here because I was too confident with Canelo.
But on the other hand he is really surprising because I know that he is definitely under pressure especially with his country's problems which are being discussed at that time but with his professionalism he can deal with this calmly and he won quite impressively in this fight.
It's not about Bivol on not being superior, that is not on the table because it will be an understatement if he's nothing compared to Canelo, surely he have a shot and we know that he's more comfortable as it is his own division and he's the defending champion unlike Canelo who's just a challenger and he's not used in Bivol's division.

We've talked about how would Bivol's response the fight if his country is at the state of war with Ukraine, but eventually, he overcome it and upset Canelo Alvarez even if he's the favorite and the champion is the underdog.
2889  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence on: June 15, 2022, 07:49:06 PM

And so this is the biggest fight in this division, since the Floyd vs Manny, but the circumstances are different. And perhaps this could be the biggest fight of the year in terms of PPV numbers and the money being generated, maybe close with GGG vs Canelo.

I'm not sure if it will be bigger than GGG vs Canelo fight, although this fight is way better than the latter, I think Canelo is very popular and could generate a lot of money for their fight. However, I believe it will still earn a decent revenue since Spence Jr. has a good number of PPV in his previous fights, and since it's an anticipated fight, that will surely improve.

There's a possibility that Spence-Crawford will be the biggest fight of this year, sure the trilogy of Canelo-GGG is also worth to watch but the interest of the fans were much lesser as time passed by and it's quite too late for this fight to have but since it will happen this September then for sure there's still some decent revenue coming from this fight but I believe not as much from Spence-Crawford PPV's combined and this is also an anticipated fight.
2890  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 (September 17) on: June 15, 2022, 06:36:33 PM
He should show us a different Canelo here and have a very worthwhile match.

Canelo should show us a different him in this fight? Seriously against fighting with already closed to a retired boxer?

Let's hope instead for a different Canelo once he faced the boxer in his own league, especially against Dmitry Bivol.

This trilogy is just more of an entertainment. If Canelo will lose here, that's a disgrace. GGG still has the power but he is up against a prime boxer. The difference between them is large. It will be more pressure on Canelo to win the fight instead of GGG as the latter is already catching his father time.

I definitely agree! It's not that Canelo should be prepare for his best because this might be a trilogy but this fight was already a little too late because GGG is near his retirement decision and this might be his last, win or lose, we don't know but either way, Canelo won't benefit much even if he win in this trilogy. There would be no hype in his name nor he can redeem his name after his loss because only Bivol is his way for redemption but the damage has been done even if he will win against Bivol in the rematch, whilst Bivol will be remembered as one of the few who managed to defeat Canelo.
2891  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Mark Magsayo vs Rey Vargas WBC Featherweight Title (July 9) on: June 15, 2022, 06:08:00 PM
Magsayo has the advantage in terms of raw power but Vargas experience will give him a hard time landing that solid direct hit to bring down to canvas this Mexican fighter. This fight is very exciting to watch since both of them have a record to protect.

This is true, Magsayo has to learn how to do the right timing as he cannot just rely on his power all the time. There are technical boxers that are hard to beat, they are quick and very smart in the ring, so if Magsayo does not improve, he has no chance to win once the fight is decided by the judges.

This is what I'm afraid of in this match, Vargas is very good on getting points while Magsayo wants a blow-by-blow fight which might be his weakness if Vargas gets an early score lead while Magsayo attempt to recover and start chasing his opponents until he gave some opening for Vargas to gave him one solid punch. Mexican boxers on Featherweight are very good at scoring-type games. The game will be in favor with Vargas if Magsaya don't manage to give him an early damage to slow him down.
That's the weakness of Magsayo, he is not a complete fighter, he has the power but in terms of techniques, he is still not that good. Actually, I am seeing this fight as the biggest challenge of Magsayo so far in his boxing career, and I'm afraid he will lose if he will not make an adjustment.

Perhaps it's an area that he needs to improved, he is under Freddy Roach so for sure he knows it and try to mitigate by teaching his pupil to improved. Manny was just like that in the beginning, all left. But Roach turns him into a beast, developing a lead right or right hook that knock down many of his opponents. So let's see if he can also developed and become a multi dimensional fighter in the process.
He indeed needs some improvement but I bet he already have some experience from defeating Russell Jr. last January this year and that's the first time he was coached by Freddie Roach so I assume the coach really put some knowledge to his mind to excel in that fight. Though he's not that experienced but I'm sure as well that he can overcome this fight against Vargas.
2892  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA Finals 2022 - Warriors vs Celtics. on: June 15, 2022, 05:27:06 PM
it sure looks that this series will be over after next match, Warriors are playing better, and first lose was just a glitch, that is now forgotten

Celtics will be under pressure tomorrow, and that could give them headache, they were one break up, lost that advantage, and experience is not on their side

Curry will be a decision maker, that we all agree, as he was in fourth match, when the sentiment changed, and Warriors progressed

I'm afraid that wasn't a glitch because the reason why the Celtics have won in Game 1 because they are more consistent that time as the Warriors didn't expected that they would chase them in the 4th quarter. If that was just a glitch then how come they still won in Game 3, right? That would be underestimating mate, I'm a Warriors fan but there's no denying about the capabilities of Celtics.
2893  Local / Pamilihan / Re: NBA discussion, betting and etc. on: June 15, 2022, 04:51:15 PM
Panalo ang Warriors diyan kasi 4-1.5 is equal to 2.5 tapos ang score lang ng Boston is 2 lang, so in short panalo ka.
Actually, pustahan sa labas +1 or -1 game lang naman yan eh, ewan ko kung bakit may 0.5 pa sa mga bookies natin.

Salamat sa sagot kabayan, yan din ang nasa isip ko pero hindi ako sigurado kasi nga first time ko na nakapusta sa "outright" na option na ito sa bookies hehe.

Ano pala plano mo kabayan, pwede pa share? haha

Plano ko kasi na ipusta ang kalahati ng amount na yon pabor sa Boston sa game6 para kahit sinong manalo ay may kalahati akong makukuha which is profit din naman kung tutuusin  Grin. Not too greedy lang kabayan haha.
 
Sample computation:
100 x 4.8 = 480 (panalo ko kung mananalo ang Warriors pero kung talo wala)

200 x 2 = 400 (ito ang pusta ko next game pabor sa Boston)

100 + 200 = 300 (puhunan ko)
480 - 300 = 180 (pag panalo ng Warriors sa game6)
400 - 300 = 100 (pag nanalo ang Boston sa game6)

Anong tingin nyo rito hehe?

Galing nito ha, kahit san maglagay eh panalo ka pa rin, ito ba ung tinatawag nilang value bet? di ako pamilyar pero parang ganito

yung concept nun, tataya ka pero hindi ka matatalo, swerte ng mga sasabay sayo na meron pang option para sa ganitong odd

malamang matalo manalo may pera ka pa rin, hindi ka na mamomproblema kungbaga eh hayahay ka na lang na nagaantay ng

pera, mas lalo kung malaki laki ung puhunan mo..

Okay yan, parang business lang ginawa mo, haha.. wala kang lugi diyan kabayan.

Pero sana naman hindi mo pagsisihan if ever Warriors talaga ang gusto mo at sila ang manalo, baka kasi isipin mo sana hindi ka nalang nag "arbitrage" kasi mas malaki sana ang panalo mo.

Galing! Talagang pinag-isipan mo talaga kabayan kung anong mas maiging gagawin para kahit saan ka tumaya ay meron ka paring makukuha, okay yan. Ganyan din siguro ginagawa ng mga professional bettors dahil hindi nman sila masyadong lugmok tingnan kong natalo yung pinustahan nila, kaya pala! hehe.

Maiba muna tayo, dito sa amin mas maraming tumataya sa Boston ngayong Game 6. Halos 50k pataas ang pusta at nagbibigay pa ng +3 sa Warriors.
2894  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: June 13, 2022, 06:48:24 PM
It appears everyone is very busy arguing about Kambosos versus Haney and Inoue versus Donaire hehehe. We forgot that this weekend Stephen Fulton will also be fighting Danny Roman. It might not appear to be an important fight, we know Fulton's victory is a certainty, however, every boxing fan should watch it because if Inoue wins, he might move up to super bantamweight and challenge Fulton for the WBC and WBO super bantamweight championships.

Yes, saw that scheduled fight but the odds though. Nevertheless, I don't think that Inoue will go up in weight. Too early for him, and knowing that he is under Bob Arum, I doubt that he will allow his cash cow to immediately jump on the next weight unless he is very sure that he can take Fulton out or any of the champion in that division. So let Fulton battered Roman this weekend, and his chance to win are high because obviously he is the favorite.

It does not look too early for the Monster Inoue to move up in weight division and challenge Fulton after what we witnessed versus Donaire yesterday. It also certainly appears that Inuoe has improved since their first fight and will improve more. He is also 29 years old already. That is not very young for the sport of boxing. It is the right time for him to find new challenges in his career.

He still has one Filipino on his hit list and that is Casimero, hehehe. This could be a good fight in paper as he is brandish and trash talk Inoue prior. But not sure if Top Rank is willing to give Casimero his fight since he no longer has any belt for now.

I move up to fight Fulton is not that bad at all, as you have said, timing is just about right. If Inoue wanted to be recognized as one of the best in this generation then he should look for new challenge and that is going up in weight. Pacquiao proved that already and he sets the bar high that no one can touch what he reach. But others can try to go as high and see their limits. Like in the case of Canelo 175 lbs might be too much for him. But for Inoue, we don't know how far can he go.

However, before Inoue can consider Casimero's challenge, I reckon Casimero should first win his WBO bantamweight championship back by challenging Paul Butler. Inoue might be now on a different stage in his career where his next fight will be to challenge the champions of the super bantamweight division or become the undisputed champion in bantamweight.

Also, with what Inoue has shown, I speculate he can knockout Casimero within 6.5 rounds. Inoue might become the pound for pound best boxer within 3 years.

Yeah, before I forgot, Casimero and Butler is under one promotional banner, Probellum. So maybe John Riel might be given the first option to crack Butler, after all they've schedule to fight but we all know what happens to Casimero in the last minute.

So in that scenario, Casimero vs Butler, winner gets Inoue for unification.

And I do agree, that Inoue is too good for this division and Casimero might not last 6 rounds against the Monster. But let's see what the future brings for Casimero first. He need to build his name again in the division.

I reckon he should be the first one to be given an opportunity as the challenger. This is because it is his own belt hehehe. He never lost it versus anyone. Casimero's management should fight for their client's right as the no.1 WBO bantamweight contender considering that it appears that Butler has already shown his interest on Inoue for a unification. For boxing fans it might be a better storyline if a Filipino challenges Inoue as the avenger of his fellow Filipino hehehe.

Yes, hopefully and again this is a good fight to begin with. There is already a story line behind, as they supposed to face each other and they have been trash talking as well prior to Casimero not making it and been stripped. And money wise, it will be in house fight.

I'm sure Bob Arum and Inoue can wait and see who the winner is. And then fight him next year before he can move up in weight if he decided too.

Lots of expectation and surely it will happen if only Casimero don't have any issue in his weight, he could've fight Inoue this year because I know that Casimero won't have much trouble defeating Paul Butler. Unfortunately, Casimero is a bit too far to be in line against Inoue now and the latter's camp and Bob Arum won't be interested with it, sure money is not a problem but I'm sure Bob also want to give Inoue some freedom and that is to fight Butler next because Bob could lose Inoue he will continue to decide everything for him.
2895  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence on: June 13, 2022, 06:28:17 PM
Even though we haven't heard any 'official announcement' yet, might be just sometime now as they might have been ironing out few things before going out in public.

And as mentioned, maybe the date and venue is one obstacles that they have to settled. The network will have to come out as the best place for this fight is, and then the date itself.. I think money wise and split, verbally they could have talk it down already. And we are going to be privilege to witnessed another great fight if this happens this year.

That's likely the case on why there's still no update about them, I know that both camps have agreed to have the fight at Las Vegas, Nevada where it's neutral for the both camps but this is still not sure as long as there's no official announcement and its details. Also, the date is very crucial to pick and both sides would have to agree with the specific month and exact day. As for money talks, I believe Crawford will take the 40% cut just to make the fight happen.

Anyway, aside from that, I found an article while browsing at the internet. Seems like the Legendary Mike Tyson is siding with Terence Crawford because of his experience and his IQ in the ring and also, he was basing his pick on how Crawford defeated Shawn Porter by a TKO while Spence finds himself with a 12 full round fight and won by SD.
2896  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Mark Magsayo vs Rey Vargas WBC Featherweight Title (July 9) on: June 13, 2022, 04:45:11 PM
Magsayo has the advantage in terms of raw power but Vargas experience will give him a hard time landing that solid direct hit to bring down to canvas this Mexican fighter. This fight is very exciting to watch since both of them have a record to protect.

This is true, Magsayo has to learn how to do the right timing as he cannot just rely on his power all the time. There are technical boxers that are hard to beat, they are quick and very smart in the ring, so if Magsayo does not improve, he has no chance to win once the fight is decided by the judges.

This is what I'm afraid of in this match, Vargas is very good on getting points while Magsayo wants a blow-by-blow fight which might be his weakness if Vargas gets an early score lead while Magsayo attempt to recover and start chasing his opponents until he gave some opening for Vargas to gave him one solid punch. Mexican boxers on Featherweight are very good at scoring-type games. The game will be in favor with Vargas if Magsaya don't manage to give him an early damage to slow him down.

That's just normal and maybe he will cross on that scenario in the fight but I believe in him that he got this fight, he surely won't give an easy minute to Vargas as this is his first title defense. Magsayo have that weakness but what makes me interested in him is that he's learning at the fight and he will make some adjustments so that he won't be at the disadvantage side. He know that because Vargas is much more experienced than him but Magsayo is smarter.
2897  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA Finals 2022 - Warriors vs Celtics. on: June 13, 2022, 03:41:20 PM
It's been a few seasons since we've had a balanced NBA Finals this way. I confess that we couldn't predict (at least) who will actually be the champion of this season!
If the Warriors don't play seriously there is a small chance they will lose to the Celtics (like for example in games 1 and 3), but on the other hand, the Warriors have demonstrated that they are a team strong and can be the champions again, and that he proved in this last game at TD Garden!

Who do you think will have more chances to win these finals!!?

Boston Celtics erased all the doubts that they won't stand a chance against the Golden State Warriors.

Before the start of the NBA Finals, I'm seeing some posts around that how the Celtics can even match the much more powerful Warriors. I think no one even imagined except for the Celtics fans that the series will be tied at 2-2 before Game 5.

However, the most predicted exact score of 4-2 in favor of the Warriors still has a chance to happen especially if they will win on their homecourt arena in Game 5 and then finish the series on the Celtic's homecourt in Game 6. But with how these teams are showing off their respective performance, it now becomes unpredictable who will win in Game 5 as homecourt advantage is not even a big advantage.

That's true, Celtics really managed to silence their bashers that they don't have any chances against the much experienced Warriors. Their chances became smaller when the key players of the Celtics are still enduring some injuries they got in the Miami Heat-Boston Celtics match up in ECF.

I can imagine that the Warriors will win the game tomorrow and will end the series at their home, that's gonna be in Game 7 because Game 6 will be held at TD Garden. I know it's risky but the way I see it, the Warriors always liked to win the championship at their homecourt.
2898  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 (September 17) on: June 13, 2022, 11:19:13 AM
If he will beat Canelo on this one, I am sure, he may not think of retiring yet. But who will be his next opponent other than Canelo again? So yes, this will be interesting how this match will pan out. But in this trilogy, I believe, Canelo will win. As he is coming from a loss, he has the motivation to train and prepare hard for this fight. This is to regain his status and popularity. I am thinking that bookies may slightly favor Canelo here. But let us see once bookies give their odds to this fight.
If GGG win he will become an undisputed champion in super middleweight division, I think he wouldn't move to light heavyweight like Canelo do, he will collect other belts in middleweight division since he only have both WBA and IBF belts currently. I think after he already become undisputed champion in middleweight divison, he will retire. The odds are favor on Canelo as favorite with 1.22x odds, while GGG as an underdog with 4.00x odds.

Looking at the odds, it is not just a slight Canelo lead. It means that Canelo is a huge favorite in this fight. And I couldn't disagree with it since GGG is old and at the same time he is also moving up in weight. Just in case GGG pulls an upset, is there a rematch clause?
I don't know about the contract yet but I think it would be nice if GGG will give Canelo a chance for a rematch as he was given a chance for a trilogy despite the fact that he has not won a single fight.


David Benavidez meanwhile is the WBC super middleweight interim champion. He may get the winner of this fight. This kid is a young and big killer. He is fighting under the PBC umbrella though a rival network of DAZN where Canelo and GGG are connected.   

For sure that's going to be his big fight as GGG and Canelo are very popular, that would also mean a decent payday.
2899  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season - Finals on: June 13, 2022, 10:57:50 AM
IMO, the problem is his offense, if we look at his points in the last 4 games, he does not have the average compared to the previous NBA Finals.

Game 4 - 18 points 7/17 * 41% shooting
Game 3 - 25 points 7/17 * 41% shooting
Game 2 - 11 points 4/19 * 21% shooting
Game 1 - 15 points 6/14 *  42% shooting

I couldn't agree more, if Klay Thompson had been efficient offensively this series would have taken a different shape, Curry have been left all alone to do the heavy lifting, even Draymond Green have been a liability in the team, little surprise that Steven Kerr decided to leave him out for the majority of the 4th Quarter of the last game.
You already said that Green has been a liability in their last 2 games already. That is the reason why Green has been on the bench in the 7-minute mark of the 4th quarter. He isn't helping the team at this moment TBH, especially in those 2 road games. I will not be surprised if he will be benched again in Game 6 on the road Cheesy.

I just hope that Green will play in their remaining games because if he plays like this, they might lose and if that happens, I will blame him first. Curry is carrying the team obviously by himself and Thompson is having a rough night. Well, it's a good thing that Wiggins has been very consistent all throughout this NBA Finals, and he is very efficient.

Both teams are undefeated following a loss. Will the Celtics lose 2 consecutive times or the Warriors will lose in the road? Good luck to your bets Smiley.

He is a liability because he does not shoot, his strength is his defense and his screen to give Curry open looks. Although he was good in finding his teammates too but in the series, looks like the strategy of the Celtics is good to limit Draymond, so Curry just has to find ways to score and facilitate the ball for his teammates.

Thing is, the team is more effective if Draymond will have like 10 assists in a game, as that means everyone is playing well.
2900  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA 2020-2021 betting on: June 13, 2022, 10:22:27 AM
@YuginKadoya  Good choice.

I will most likely have 2 choices tonight. My first pick will be Golden State in the first quarter. (-0,5)
My second pick is Golden State wins in the first half. (-1,5)

Honestly, I'm not comfortable with this, I would rather pick Warriors to win 3rd quarter because that's their quarter. Although I believe that they will start strong at home, but the series has been very unpredictable and they have a very close competition in the 1st half, anyway, good luck to your bet.
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