Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[Kemarit]

Based on the odds, it seems the Beterviev is going to win it. Not sure how easy it is nevertheless, I don't think any significant advantage for Arthur except on the power and knock department.

It will be an accomplishment if Smith are going to survived and last the full 12 rounds.

But who knows, maybe Smith will have the experienced to dodge that power and give some himself because Beterviev hasn't seen any opponent in Smith's caliber.

[Distinctin]

@Baofeng. Terence Crawford is higher than Errol Spence? The people who created that list might want Errol Spence to hurry and make it quick for his team to make a deal with Crawford's team hehehe. I agree with Naoya Inoue as the no.1 pound for pound for this present generation of boxers. I reckon that he should not wait for a unification in bantamweight and go up to super bantamweight and challege Stephen Fulton. There is also more money for him there hehehe.

Well, in BoxRec, Terence Crawford was still higher than Errol Spence Jr., and then Saul Canelo Alvarez is still ranked #1 as the pound-for-pound king and not Naoya Inoue but Dmitrii Bivol did climb the ladder after he defeated Saul Canelo Alvarez just recently. I don't know what's the basis of their ranks but I think each platform has its own set of the pound-for-pound list and as BoxRec claims, they are Boxing's official record keeper.

1   Saul Alvarez *           super middle
2   Terence Crawford   welter
3   Dmitrii Bivol           light heavy
4   Tyson Fury           heavy
5   Oleksandr Usyk           heavy
6   Errol Spence Jr           welter
7   Gennadiy Golovkin *   middle
8   Naoya Inoue           bantam
9   Deontay Wilder           heavy
10   Shakur Stevenson      super feather
11   Anthony Joshua           heavy
12   Mairis Briedis *           cruiser
13   Josh Taylor           super light
14   Jermell Charlo        super welter
15   Gervonta Davis           light
16   Roman Gonzalez   super fly
17   Yordenis Ugas           welter
Link: https://boxrec.com/en

[mirakal]

Just surprised though that this is not a PPV event, anyhow, I would have to agree with you here. Joe Smith will be in survival mode in this fight and I don't know what will be his strategy because Beterviev is pure power a beast in the ring.

Over/Under 8.5 rounds is the opening line, while the ML is:

Beterviev - 1.14
Smith Jr - 5.60

Have made a thread featuring Beterviev on his last fight as this guy is amazing for because he has a 100 percent knockout ratio,

The question now, will he continue the streak or this will be broken by Joe Smith with the help of his bicycle, Joe will be fighting just to survive the full 12 rounds so i might take the Beterviev by Decision @4.70.

That is a tough decision because as you said Artur Beterviev has a 100% knockout rate and chances are good that he can continue his streak but Joe Smith vowed in the past few days that he will end Artur's KO streak, so my guess will be same as you, the latter will go fighting while trying to survive Artur's ferocious punches. For now, that will remain a question until the announcer announces who will win the fight later but you might be right and the odds to win by decision are tasty too.

[Baofeng]

@Baofeng. Terence Crawford is higher than Errol Spence? The people who created that list might want Errol Spence to hurry and make it quick for his team to make a deal with Crawford's team hehehe. I agree with Naoya Inoue as the no.1 pound for pound for this present generation of boxers. I reckon that he should not wait for a unification in bantamweight and go up to super bantamweight and challege Stephen Fulton. There is also more money for him there hehehe.

Well, in BoxRec, Terence Crawford was still higher than Errol Spence Jr., and then Saul Canelo Alvarez is still ranked #1 as the pound-for-pound king and not Naoya Inoue but Dmitrii Bivol did climb the ladder after he defeated Saul Canelo Alvarez just recently. I don't know what's the basis of their ranks but I think each platform has its own set of the pound-for-pound list and as BoxRec claims, they are Boxing's official record keeper.

1   Saul Alvarez *           super middle
2   Terence Crawford   welter
3   Dmitrii Bivol           light heavy
4   Tyson Fury           heavy
5   Oleksandr Usyk           heavy
6   Errol Spence Jr           welter
7   Gennadiy Golovkin *   middle
8   Naoya Inoue           bantam
9   Deontay Wilder           heavy
10   Shakur Stevenson      super feather
11   Anthony Joshua           heavy
12   Mairis Briedis *           cruiser
13   Josh Taylor           super light
14   Jermell Charlo        super welter
15   Gervonta Davis           light
16   Roman Gonzalez   super fly
17   Yordenis Ugas           welter
Link: https://boxrec.com/en

Yeah, I totally lost with their rankings and I thought that this might be old. But as I explore, it seems that this is updated because Alvarez has 2 losses already.

https://boxrec.com/en/ratings

But who knows, they have point system to rank their list so it might be very different for others like Ring Magazine or boxing site Boxingscene or any other boxing's pound for pound list from sites and organizations.

[YuginKadoya]

Based on the odds, it seems the Beterviev is going to win it. Not sure how easy it is nevertheless, I don't think any significant advantage for Arthur except on the power and knock department.

It will be an accomplishment if Smith are going to survived and last the full 12 rounds.

But who knows, maybe Smith will have the experienced to dodge that power and give some himself because Beterviev hasn't seen any opponent in Smith's caliber.

Anything can happen inside the ring or in the fight, but I think the odds will surely not going to decide that Beterviev is the favorite one to win here, but in my opinion, I will go with Beterviev aswell, Artut Beterviev is a monster that is why, Joe Smith Jr. can go fight technically with Beterviev but the durability and strength of Artur Beterbiev is surely he legit one here, that is why I had bet on him to win a KO against Joe Smith Jr, this will be another win and another Knockout for Beterbiev no doubt about that,

That is a tough decision because as you said Artur Beterviev has a 100% knockout rate and chances are good that he can continue his streak but Joe Smith vowed in the past few days that he will end Artur's KO streak, so my guess will be same as you, the latter will go fighting while trying to survive Artur's ferocious punches. For now, that will remain a question until the announcer announces who will win the fight later but you might be right and the odds to win by decision are tasty too.

If that's the real goal of Joe Smith Jr, is to just end the Knockout streak of Beterbiev and that is not winning at all, and will surely make boxing fans salty about it, I still think Joe Smith Jr, will get the good stuff out of him and plan on taking the win aswell, by cracking in a lot of points for this fight, I truly don't want to believe that Joe Smith Jr, is just going to aim for the KO streak of Beterbiev, that is not what people kame to watch, they want a real war and they are watching this fight and liked Beterbiev style because he truly aims for the KO, and people like that craft about him, and for Joe Smith Jr, to ruined that legacy he is the true villain here,

[Jawhead999]

That is a tough decision because as you said Artur Beterviev has a 100% knockout rate and chances are good that he can continue his streak but Joe Smith vowed in the past few days that he will end Artur's KO streak, so my guess will be same as you, the latter will go fighting while trying to survive Artur's ferocious punches. For now, that will remain a question until the announcer announces who will win the fight later but you might be right and the odds to win by decision are tasty too.

The thing is when Beterbiev haven't worn any single belt where he's a challenger at that time, he can beat both Enrico Kolling and Oleksandr Gvozdyk via KO. While both of Kolling only lose via decision and Gyozdyk is undefeated, but Beterbiev can prove his power is enough to KO a champion. Joe Smith Jr ever lose via KO on 12 years ago, but it seems unrelevant now and he only lose via decision when fight against Bivol.

Bivol is a power puncher but Joe Smith Jr can still survive for 12 rounds, but I'd think Beterbiev have a higher strength than Bivol.

[stadus]

I'm thinking that Inoue would face Butler first before he considers moving to another division. Casimero was not in the picture for now, unfortunately but that's his reality after the incident.

He's going to face and it's going to be an easy fight, I doubt if Casimero will have a chance to fight Inoue, he cannot make the weight it's time for Casimero and for us to move forward for now unless they face each other again in the higher division, Casimero cannot keep up anymore on the division where Inoue is reigning unless there's there are circumstances that will make them face each other so let's see how it's going to be now that Donaire is out of the picture.

For the sake of getting another belt? yeah, perhaps Inoue is more willing to fight Butler then before moving up in weight and have the bragging rights of cleaning up the division. Casimero is no longer in the discussion for now. He has to work his way up again, be the number 1 contender or the mandatory and maybe that's the time that Inoue will give him the chance.

No boxer will have enough titles they will try to win as many titles as possible, which will define their skill and their legacy, Butler already announced that he wants Inoue next
Naoya Inoue's next fight: Paul Butler calls for undisputed title showdown

So in the coming weeks or months, we'll have the news of the two meeting in the ring, this fight will heavily favor Inoue as he is the better fighter than Butler.

The truth is I don't know if this is correct, I think Buttler won't be able to do anything, already with the failure that Donaire showed I think he won't have much of a chance against Inoue, now Inoue has had a great level in terms of fighting, what he wants most to do is finish all his fights by knockout, at one point many said that the one who was going to seek the knockout was going to be Donaire, others think that Buttler is weaker than Donaire, in my personal opinion I would not say that Butler is weaker or stronger, every fight it's a different story and you should take advantage of all the fights they can offer.

Seems legit, I checked it out and find another source to see if it's a real story and it turns out that Paul Butler was really calling Inoue in the past weeks for the title of an undisputed bantamweight.
Paul Butler Desperately Wants To Fight Naoya Inoue

Butler was lying on his own teeth because he quite knew that Inoue have changed into a real monster and even Donaire admit that he cannot react well as he cannot follow Inoue's punches. Butler just wanted to be the first one to call about the fight to somehow make a hype in his name while trying to sell the fight in advance as he also know that their fight is inevitable because he have the WBO belt.

Perhaps this is just about the money that Butler can get from this fight. And it's also interesting if one of his demands will be that the fight be held in UK?

Inoue traveling to UK and beat their champion, unify the bantamweight division. But we shall see what Butler's promotion are going to do. I think they will rather have him face Casimero first. And if ever he win that, then book a fight with Inoue.

I don't think that's the case here, Butler is not in the position to demand that the fight will be held in UK as I know that Inoue's camp wouldn't certainly agree with it because they also wanted to have the fight in Saitama, Japan. Same venue of the GGG-Murata and Inoue-Donaire fight, so maybe they can decide somewhere else where it's neutral for the both of them.

Butler's only choice is to call the fight and wait for his defeat because there's really nothing he can do against Inoue, would you guys believe that Butler is capable defeating Inoue for atleast by decision? I think the answer for that is NO.

[Maslate]

Butler's only choice is to call the fight and wait for his defeat because there's really nothing he can do against Inoue, would you guys believe that Butler is capable defeating Inoue for atleast by decision? I think the answer for that is NO.

That's 100%, Butler is not even a better fighter than Donaire IMO, so there's no way he will beat Inoue, I see a KO in the early rounds. If Butler would choose to run, still the same result, it's still a Loss and the belt will be taken by Inoue for him to become an undisputed champion.

[mirakal]

That is a tough decision because as you said Artur Beterviev has a 100% knockout rate and chances are good that he can continue his streak but Joe Smith vowed in the past few days that he will end Artur's KO streak, so my guess will be same as you, the latter will go fighting while trying to survive Artur's ferocious punches. For now, that will remain a question until the announcer announces who will win the fight later but you might be right and the odds to win by decision are tasty too.

If that's the real goal of Joe Smith Jr, is to just end the Knockout streak of Beterbiev and that is not winning at all, and will surely make boxing fans salty about it, I still think Joe Smith Jr, will get the good stuff out of him and plan on taking the win aswell, by cracking in a lot of points for this fight, I truly don't want to believe that Joe Smith Jr, is just going to aim for the KO streak of Beterbiev, that is not what people kame to watch, they want a real war and they are watching this fight and liked Beterbiev style because he truly aims for the KO, and people like that craft about him, and for Joe Smith Jr, to ruined that legacy he is the true villain here,

I didn't say that Joe Smith Jr. will just be there to end Artur Beterbiev's KO streak without having a goal in mind to win the fight. Sorry for the confusion, as I said, Joe will go fighting while trying to survive Artur's ferocious punches (that could highly knock him out). Joe Smith have a shot for winning the fight while ending Artur's streak because he is more experienced than the latter and frankly he's more younger and that could give him an advantage in-terms of gas tank.

[YuginKadoya]

That's 100%, Butler is not even a better fighter than Donaire IMO, so there's no way he will beat Inoue, I see a KO in the early rounds. If Butler would choose to run, still the same result, it's still a Loss and the belt will be taken by Inoue for him to become an undisputed champion.

I Agree, and from that Naoya Inoue VS Nonito Donaire 2 fight many were really shocked that the match will end in the 2nd round, Many think that Donaire would last for longer rounds, and give us an amazing fight like the last time, but it's just that Naoya Inoue now is on a different level since their last fight, and from that 1st fight Donaire was down aswell, because of Inoue's body blows, but because of Nonito's determination during the fight he lasted until the fight ends, and it was a totally different fight from the last time,

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I didn't say that Joe Smith Jr. will just be there to end Artur Beterbiev's KO streak without having a goal in mind to win the fight. Sorry for the confusion, as I said, Joe will go fighting while trying to survive Artur's ferocious punches (that could highly knock him out). Joe Smith have a shot for winning the fight while ending Artur's streak because he is more experienced than the latter and frankly he's more younger and that could give him an advantage in-terms of gas tank.

Well, maybe I am the one who didn't really understand it but that is OK with me, I also think that Joe Smith Jr, has a game plan and is a more technical fighter than Beterbiev, but I can not say for sure if he has the high percentage of winning but he surely got a shot on doing it, so he better be ready for anything, and because of his much experience, I think he really got a game plan for Beterbiev, but I am not pretty much confident about Joe Smith Jr, winning over Beterbiev so Artur Beterbiev is my pick,

[coin-investor]

Well, maybe I am the one who didn't really understand it but that is OK with me, I also think that Joe Smith Jr, has a game plan and is a more technical fighter than Beterbiev, but I can not say for sure if he has the high percentage of winning but he surely got a shot on doing it, so he better be ready for anything, and because of his much experience, I think he really got a game plan for Beterbiev, but I am not pretty much confident about Joe Smith Jr, winning over Beterbiev so Artur Beterbiev is my pick,

I'm also picking Beterbiev he is for me a very dangerous fighter at his level, not every boxer can have 17 knockouts in 17 fights
 he knows how to knock out an opponent and he will not go for a decision, so expect Beterbiev to go all out for a knock because this fight will set him a fight against Bivol, Joe Smith is good but he tasted losses at the hands of Bivol which is a fighter that is equal of Beterbiev's power.
 

[bisdak40]

I didn't say that Joe Smith Jr. will just be there to end Artur Beterbiev's KO streak without having a goal in mind to win the fight. Sorry for the confusion, as I said, Joe will go fighting while trying to survive Artur's ferocious punches (that could highly knock him out). Joe Smith have a shot for winning the fight while ending Artur's streak because he is more experienced than the latter and frankly he's more younger and that could give him an advantage in-terms of gas tank.

Exactly and in terms of betting odds, we are going to get more money when we bet for a decision win on either of the two but i'm going to bet for Beterbiev here because once Joe tasted those power punches that Arthur will throw, he may use his bicycle to survive the fight and avoid that he may be a part of that 100 percent knockout ratio.

[Kemarit]

^^ Goodluck with your bet, I'm going to skip this one. I wanted to bet on Beterviev and I think that will not go to distance.

I think they are up next, Ramirez just knock out Nova in round five.

I'm not seeing Beterviev age as somewhat a big factor, it's just about the peak at 37 years old and if he smells blood here, for sure he will go for the killer and will try to score a KO.

Edit: It's over, Beterviev by KO in two rounds, that was quick.

[Jawhead999]

Edit: It's over, Beterviev by KO in two rounds, that was quick.

This is insane, even I'm expecting Beterbiev will win via KO but I'm not expecting the fight will end so quick like this. A big punch from Beterbiev make Joe Smith Jr's body can't hold and continue the fight, this fight is similar like Inoue vs Donaire 2 that Inoue can KO'ed Donaire on the second round. Well, then the light heavyweight champion only Beterbiev and Bivol, of course they both will fight sooner or later.

I think Bivol shouldn't fight with Beterbiev and choose to rematch with Canelo first, if he win then he can fight with Beterbiev, if not Canelo will fight with Beterbiev. However it's too quick for Canelo to fight with Beterbiev if he won against Bivol.

[bisdak40]

I think Bivol shouldn't fight with Beterbiev and choose to rematch with Canelo first, if he win then he can fight with Beterbiev, if not Canelo will fight with Beterbiev. However it's too quick for Canelo to fight with Beterbiev if he won against Bivol.

I think Canelo had no business in the light heavyweight anymore, I mean it would be dangerous for him if he pursue his dream of dominating this division after what we witnessed on how King Arthur demolished Joe Smith easily.

Smith's mistake was standing toe-to-toe with the heavy-handed Beterbiev, he should have avoided that early onslaught if he opted to use his footwork and tired-up Beterbiev in the later rounds. Anyways, congrats to those who bet on the under 6.5.

BTW, Beterbiev is 37 years old, we may see him retire with an immaculate record with a perfect KO ratio, what do you think?

[robelneo]

I think Bivol shouldn't fight with Beterbiev and choose to rematch with Canelo first, if he win then he can fight with Beterbiev, if not Canelo will fight with Beterbiev. However it's too quick for Canelo to fight with Beterbiev if he won against Bivol.

I think Canelo had no business in the light heavyweight anymore, I mean it would be dangerous for him if he pursue his dream of dominating this division after what we witnessed on how King Arthur demolished Joe Smith easily.

Smith's mistake was standing toe-to-toe with the heavy-handed Beterbiev, he should have avoided that early onslaught if he opted to use his footwork and tired-up Beterbiev in the later rounds. Anyways, congrats to those who bet on the under 6.5.

BTW, Beterbiev is 37 years old, we may see him retire with an immaculate record with a perfect KO ratio, what do you think?

Beterbiev's timing is so perfect it's an onslaught and its a very one-sided match Smith has no chance at all on the first knockdown that's the start of the end, and about Canelo going at it again the light heavyweight, he better forget it Bivol and Beterbiev is so hard to beat in that division, we hope to see Bivol and Beterbiev going for the undisputed light heavyweight title to see how's the real king there.

[YuginKadoya]

^^ Goodluck with your bet, I'm going to skip this one. I wanted to bet on Beterviev and I think that will not go to distance.

I think they are up next, Ramirez just knock out Nova in round five.

I'm not seeing Beterviev age as somewhat a big factor, it's just about the peak at 37 years old and if he smells blood here, for sure he will go for the killer and will try to score a KO.

Edit: It's over, Beterviev by KO in two rounds, that was quick.

This is insane, even I'm expecting Beterbiev will win via KO but I'm not expecting the fight will end so quick like this. A big punch from Beterbiev make Joe Smith Jr's body can't hold and continue the fight, this fight is similar like Inoue vs Donaire 2 that Inoue can KO'ed Donaire on the second round. Well, then the light heavyweight champion only Beterbiev and Bivol, of course they both will fight sooner or later.

I think Bivol shouldn't fight with Beterbiev and choose to rematch with Canelo first, if he win then he can fight with Beterbiev, if not Canelo will fight with Beterbiev. However it's too quick for Canelo to fight with Beterbiev if he won against Bivol.

In just an instant Joe Smith Jr. was down at first Smith Jr. is pretty much doing great in pressuring Beterbiev with his jabs, but Beterbiev's punches that go straight to his opponent's defense was truly the devastating thing about the power of Beterbiev, and the 1st round was a big round for Beterbiev, I really think that outbalance for Smith Jr. was the cause of Beterbiev strong punches, and on the 2nd round Beterbiev right now had a reaction from Smith Jr, just due to his jabs, Artur Beterbiev has a clean shot on Joe Smith Jr. that surely devastated Smith Jr. it was a clean win for Beterbiev no doubt about that, and Artur Beterbiev is truly a knockout artist, and surely every fight of Beterbiev I will put money on it,

I think Canelo had no business in the light heavyweight anymore, I mean it would be dangerous for him if he pursue his dream of dominating this division after what we witnessed on how King Arthur demolished Joe Smith easily.

Smith's mistake was standing toe-to-toe with the heavy-handed Beterbiev, he should have avoided that early onslaught if he opted to use his footwork and tired-up Beterbiev in the later rounds. Anyways, congrats to those who bet on the under 6.5.

BTW, Beterbiev is 37 years old, we may see him retire with an immaculate record with a perfect KO ratio, what do you think?

He should think twice before deciding something like that, and just like Joe Smith Jr. he would not surely last a decision result when he faces Beterbiev, because I think the same result will surely happen to him when they face each other,

I don't really like Joe Smith Jr.'s strategy in engaging in a toe to toe fight against Beterbiev, it was a suicide mission every punch was like hitting a truck to the face, and Joe Smith Jr.'s strategy go out of the window after facing those devastating punch of Beterbiev, he was surely curious on what happened to him, and can not think smart anymore,

I would love to see him retire with that perfect Knockout and flawless record he has now, but I would also love a fight that will surely see his limits in the light heavyweight division, well maybe going to the heavyweight will measure his limits,

[inthelongrun]

Maybe Beterbiev travelling to England to defend his 3 belts against their own hero Anthony Yarde is financially big. But I like Artur Beterbiev to pressure and convince Arum/ESPN to let him unify with the last remaining belt held by Dmitry Bivol. Beterbiev better not waste his time against these beltless contenders if he wants to leave a legacy in the Hall of Fame. Or maybe he can fight the beatable WBC cruiserweight champion Ilunga Makabu. A victory would make Beterbiev a 2 division champion and might be enough to enter the Hall of Fame.

Or is Arum (ESPN) scared that his aging champion might lose to a technical fighter like Bivol?

[Jating]

I think Bivol shouldn't fight with Beterbiev and choose to rematch with Canelo first, if he win then he can fight with Beterbiev, if not Canelo will fight with Beterbiev. However it's too quick for Canelo to fight with Beterbiev if he won against Bivol.

I think Canelo had no business in the light heavyweight anymore, I mean it would be dangerous for him if he pursue his dream of dominating this division after what we witnessed on how King Arthur demolished Joe Smith easily.

Smith's mistake was standing toe-to-toe with the heavy-handed Beterbiev, he should have avoided that early onslaught if he opted to use his footwork and tired-up Beterbiev in the later rounds. Anyways, congrats to those who bet on the under 6.5.

BTW, Beterbiev is 37 years old, we may see him retire with an immaculate record with a perfect KO ratio, what do you think?

That's what he think though, Bivol might be the easier to fight between the light weight champion, but he is mistaken. Beterviev? Canelo might get stop for the first time in his career.

I don't think that Arthur will retire, sooner or later if h continue to fight then maybe he will be caught. And I'm thinking that Bivol might have a good chance to defeat him.

[Baofeng]

I think Bivol shouldn't fight with Beterbiev and choose to rematch with Canelo first, if he win then he can fight with Beterbiev, if not Canelo will fight with Beterbiev. However it's too quick for Canelo to fight with Beterbiev if he won against Bivol.

I think Canelo had no business in the light heavyweight anymore, I mean it would be dangerous for him if he pursue his dream of dominating this division after what we witnessed on how King Arthur demolished Joe Smith easily.

True, light heavyweight will be too much for Canelo if that division has champions like Bivol and Beterviev. Both is heavy puncher in Beterviev and then a good and has a sound fundamentals in Bivol.

Smith's mistake was standing toe-to-toe with the heavy-handed Beterbiev, he should have avoided that early onslaught if he opted to use his footwork and tired-up Beterbiev in the later rounds. Anyways, congrats to those who bet on the under 6.5.

He goes toe to toe and thinks that he can take Arthur's power. The moment it touches him in the first round. You know that he won't last long. And Smith has a weak chin as well.

BTW, Beterbiev is 37 years old, we may see him retire with an immaculate record with a perfect KO ratio, what do you think?

Unification fight with Bivol before he can retire. I don't think he will have Canelo. Alvarez doesn't want none of Arthur.