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You can word for #3 and #4
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Works fine (so far), thank you very much for upgrading.
Can we expect the forum to lag less in high traffic peaks now?
yes nginx, uses a different way of handling each connection then apache so the performance should be better |
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Please move didn't think it fit in securities sub forum...
Ok so I have recently (~4 months ago) I got my trading bot exactly where I want it in terms of algos and the return it is making. I now want to add some metrics the only one I can think of it is P&L. What are some others metrics? Also with P&L is that something taken every day or how does it work, some trading software I have seen only take P&L as the software runs and when application is closed it resets the P&L to 0? How should I handle that.
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Mitty
Great point. And idiots like smoothie wouldn't dare show his face and make the same inane comments in public. He adds no value to this board and he certainly adds no value to bitcoin. And he probably knows it which is why he continues to troll this and every other thread he comes across. Op you should just lock this thread now and the rest of us can enjoy thoughtful and intelligent conversation at the conference.
I love how when people disagree with someone or a thing, they are instantly labeled a troll or an idiot. Dude like seriously we shown our points and they are not spammy or trolling one bit. Actually Casascius was being a troll, and starting saying shit about porn which had no baring on this thread. Sorry we disagree, we forget this a forum and if you don't suck the dick of foundation or pro bitcoin events, your a troll. This forum is a bunch of elitist and these are the people that will fail and hinder bitcoin's growth into mainstream world. |
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My question is this:
Why does a foundation have to pay Gavin? If they have to pay Gavin then that implies they need Gavin. Why would they need Gavin? Bitcoin doesn't need Gavin. Bitcoin doesn't even need Satoshi.
Flawed model in my opinion.
I know FINALLY A SMART MAN IS STEPPING UP what I have realized when the foundation stated they need to pay Gavin! THANK YOU! I thought I was taking crazy pills for a second. |
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Really? Beastiality?
Good going, bitcoins. Way to be legit.
Totally Bitcoin's fault.  I think you need a new keyboard, it's saying stupid shit again. Bitcoins your drunk again ordering weird porn! Go home bitcoins! |
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This would be big news if it worked...I tried it out. 1. I went to classycams.com and registered an account 2. Clicked "Add Credits" 3. Scrolled to the bottom to find BitPay. 4. Came to the familiar BitPay page and paid my 0.577 BTC ~ 10$ 5. Then I could click on a "continue" button and was sent to http://www.camwithher.com/ Yes, that is another site... camwithher.com is not classycams.com  I did not get credited to my classycams.com account  Is this 10$ out of the window? OK. After some time... 1 hour, I got credited. The thing that spooked me was that I got sent to a different site. @BitPay: 1. please contact your customer (classycams) and have them fix the redirect 2. it would be nice if your payment page somehow made it clear how many confirmations it takes until you are good to go. Alternatively you could instruct your customers that they should send en email when payment has 0 confirmations, and another when you are credited. You can use your tokens are either site, they are ran by the same company or person |
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This site is new, it's a pilot site. It is where the owner of several very large cam sites is testing the system.
What are these larger cam sites? |
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One chick online and she is busted LMAO and not even naked WTF is this shit. Also that sucks you can't add tokens without registering. I wish MFC took bitcoins I am going to email them today. But at lasted http://cam4btc.com was better bitcoins were directly sent into the girls wallet. I think I will try and get the girls at hunts point to accept bitcoins. |
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You're contradicting yourself. First you're against developers getting paid, then you whine how Gavin isn't expendable and there is no one to take his place. Well, why would there be if people can have well paying jobs instead of working on bitcoin code for free? At least someone needs to be paid to deal with the stuff other people don't want to. Gavin is the most appropriate candidate for the job. Because of people like you that don't want to contribute, there (probably) isn't enough money to hire more developers and make it more "decentralized".
I am not against any developer getting paid, but we are blurring the lines of paying one person over the others not getting paid and risking that one person can be there to do bitcoins for a long time, backups are always good. No one is discounting Gavin's experience and skill set, the entire community respects that aspect of him. Also as Gavin did say he has not spend and will not spend one dollar on any bitcoins. Sadly I find that a little offensive cause you have a chance to be worth a lot of money yet you don't invest in it. I just want to make sure the software I use will always get top of the line especially since it deals with a lot of money. If you don't feel that way then I can't help you there. That is the one thing about this forum I will always hate, asking questions and bring up questions about issues everyone takes for granted is looked at as a troll. Also I will not contribute to a foundation that doesn't have the same views (PM me if you want the reasons why the foundation is not worthy of my contributions) as me is not hindering the software. What is a hinder is one person knowing too much about the entire codebase and no one else stepping up and creating another full node software to compete with this. There always needs checks and balances and this one things that is not decentralized and doesn't have the correct checks. |
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Dude you look crazy in your picture, I don't know if your a good person to have guns
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How is it drama if your debating issues that affect bitcoins?
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You're making a mountain out of a molehill (not the first time either). There are at least three I can think of off the top of my head who could lead the devs quite happily ... and if it really comes down to it I imagine Satoshi would reappear, the same, though changed.
I guess legit concerns I should just keep to myself... Sorry let me go and talk about how great the foundation is... Really then you insult my intelligences with this statement. But who on the core team has the knowledge of the codebase like Gavin? That is what we trying to figure out... Think about if Gavin can't do bitcoins who will take over? He isn't expendable! There is no straight answer to this...
I wouldn't lose any sleep over this for a number of reasons. - I've seen key superstar developers that looked irreplaceable leave many important commercial software products. They were always replaced successfully, even if it took their successors a little while to get up to speed at the same level of proficiency. For interesting projects, there will always be smart people eager to step up to the plate. And Bitcoin is definitely interesting.
- Lots of very smart and capable developers are working on the Bitcoin client and related projects right this instant, and several of them could have the right skillset to replace Gavin. Some might visit bitcointalk frequently, but others work with low publicity or visibility. Subscribe to the development mailing list on sourceforege to get a fuller picture of development activity.
- Retroactively imagine the panic you would've felt if you'd known Satoshi was leaving for good. If anyone was irreplaceable, it was him. And yet, things have turned out fine.
Having said all this, I don't want to be misunderstood, Gavin is a very valuable asset, I like his style, and I hope he sticks around for a long time. I am not losing sleep, but this should be something that is talked about. I think most of the dev team is very able to pick up the program today. I think more of the Gavin is a strong entity in the bitcoin world and being the lead developer of the official bitcoin and only full node gives him a lot of power. I think a lot of people are misunderstood, if a couple people are saying Gavin is not an expendable person on the bitcoin project, then that means this experiment was a fail. Soon we will either have to have a spilt of the official bitcoin application or a new full node, to defeat this monopoly. |
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In case of the bus scenario: Let the core team decide among them and elect one to take his job! Otherwise we'll have some weird dynasty up there.
But who on the core team has the knowledge of the codebase like Gavin? That is what we trying to figure out... Think about if Gavin can't do bitcoins who will take over? He isn't expendable! There is no straight answer to this... |
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RE: what if I get hit by a bus?
Then the other core developers will carry on without me. I'm not indispensable.
I think we need an actual name, if you leave bitcoins for whatever reason I think there should be a backup person, this is only going to lead to confusion on the forums and could be the thing, that could bring bitcoins from $16 right back to $5 or even $2. |
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C) Gavin is a necessary part of the core Bitcoin development team, and doesn't want to work for free.
Then we all have failed, there shouldn't be one person that is "Necessary" to the development team, while Gavin has brought a lot to the table and helped moved us farther in the software, he should be expendable just like anyone else. This is kinda border line breaking a core value of a decentralized currency, if one person is "Necessary" to the development team. I really hope one day someone will build a full node to compete with bitcoin-qt but until then we are in this horrible position according to software. Fair enough. How about: D) Gavin is greatly encouraged through monetary incentive to work harder, longer, and faster on various fixes and features for Bitcoin-QT. Instead of things taking months or years to get fixed by whomever feels like they want to tackle it in their spare time, the paid full-time developer Gavin can address problems in days or weeks instead. And given that the foundation believes he is the best/most efficient/most trustworthy coder on the QT project, he gets paid. Another way of going about it might be to offer bounties on various bugfixes and features, but how do you know that the person implementing the fix is trustworthy? What happens when their sloppy coding results in more bugs found down the line? What if their documentation is poor? Etc, etc. Mozilla pays workers to work on their software, but many people also make their own contributions on a voluntary basis. How does that differ from this current situation in Bitcoin? Gavin is a paid lead developer, and everyone else can contribute at their leisure on a voluntary basis. Ohhh and you know how long thing would take if he wasn't getting paid... I am just saying there like 10 core developers between them and there time, they couldn't handle the software. I just think that one person handling the lead on such a revolutionary idea is bad news. Remember I want to run a full node, currently there is no other option. I think this is classic monopoly and if Gavin was unable to do his job tomorrow, bitcoin would greatly stuffer, we need more lead developers, maybe we can get 3 people on board I feel little bit better. In reality one person that relied on this heavy in this much a decentralized way, is insanity! Also I never talked about bounties, actually I would disagree with a bounties model, that code is usually rushed and very buggy. I think people that take on the job of bitcoin-qt want to give something back. Hey I knew C++ and python at the level I know other languages I would be right there helping sadly I can't. Mozilla, makes a browser... i don't see any parallel and I think your miss understood why I disagree with Gavin getting paid. I feel like it is giving too much power to on person, which it is cause no ONE has said an actual person's name IF Gavin was unable to do bitcoins anymore. |
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I believe that paying Gavin, so he can focus 100% on Bitcoin, is a good investment. That's why I support the foundation.
If Gavin disappeared, the foundation would probably have paid an other developer who was taking over his job. But I'm very happy that Gavin is the leader of the development group now.
What if there is no other developer that can take over. What if Gavin isn't expendable, and that no other developer can take control of the codebase, well then sir welcome to non-decentralized currency and we are lying to everyone that uses bitcoin-qt/bitcoind. Just because nobody have the skills like Gavin to develop the bitcoin protocol, doesn't mean it's centralized. Yes it does, he has full control of it. Also what if the old "bus hits Gavin tomorrow" situation who would take over? |
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