Lol, Jalapeņos. When will people get their Singles? Next year? BTW I can't believe they have the nads to post news like this LS/S/MR should start shipping sometime during the week of the 26th of May, 2013. Not guaranteed, but confidence level is above average to optimistic.
I mean, really. Come on. How could post updates like this now with a straight face. Still using evasive language like "sometime" and "during the week of". Then stating a confidence level to make it more legit. You can't make this shit up. Do you want to see irony and that the recent trend at BFL is a game of "confuse the customer with our words"? Take a look at how they worded this: LS/S/MR should start shipping sometime during the week of the 26th of May, 2013. Not guaranteed, but confidence level is above average to optimistic.
The first word out of the gate is: Not Guaranteed. (in other words, dismiss everything after this point.) The next is the definition of "confidence". (remember, not guaranteed) So what is the Level of Confidence? (Above Average to Optimistic) Next post, finishes this point |
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The good faith sell:
If I sell you 25 DVD players. I do it because I am looking to sell you something you want and I have faith that each unit works and is functional.
You get something that works right and I am happy to make a profit from selling it to you. (not offloaded)
The bad faith sell is:
If I sell you 25 DVD players because I think something in them is broken but your willing to pay for it, so why the hell not? (I am offloading it on you)
I thought I was going to get burned, but instead you got burned for me. I don't care because I got mine!
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Is this a new kind of maneuver where idiot A says something stupid, and idiot B backs him up, on said stupidity being essentially valid??
Whatever happened to just admitting you said something incredibly stupid and working on the next stupidity to come in the near future?
Xian01 20 42.02600000 payment/shipping recieved 20 units = 6GH/s - this guy had a 2012 order and blew it big time https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjCZrDbAiz_PdE4tbDR3X3owMHNMb1NyekJGWHN4QlE#gid=0Unless BFL never ships. Then he comes out ahead. Especially if there are not enough funds left in the BFL coffers to refund everyone. * Tries to figure out why it's anyone's business what I spend my Bitcoins on * I can help you figure that out - because you created this thread out of sour grapes and now encourage other bfl customers to get a refund. Your 2012 order would have sold on here (and has done) for at least 5 times what you paid. Just sell it on here if you weren't happy. Now, instead of having potential $20k you have spent $3-4K and end up with 6 GH/s Correct me if I'm wrong but that is a fail... So Nottm28, You advocate the "sell it to the greater fool" theory. If it is not good enough for you, sell it (offload it) unto someone else who is stupid enough to not ask why you are offloading it in the first place. Transfer the bad buying opportunity to someone else?
Correct me if I'm wrong but that is a fail...
No, that's just what the market is willing to pay Puerto - he's lost $15k by bitching - address that fail Alright, I will address it. Your intention is, if someone is unhappy with their purchase because: --BFL failed to deliver. --Within a reasonable timeframe. --Don't have any info on when it might even ship. etc. Then, Sell it to someone who thinks they will someday get the miner. But make them pay 15 to 25 times the price for the "opportunity" to own one. Your apparent loss is somehow their certain gain (?). ------------------------ Explain this to me: Why would the above scenario (as a transaction) be completed in good faith? Ok, go. |
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Is this a new kind of maneuver where idiot A says something stupid, and idiot B backs him up, on said stupidity being essentially valid??
Whatever happened to just admitting you said something incredibly stupid and working on the next stupidity to come in the near future?
Xian01 20 42.02600000 payment/shipping recieved 20 units = 6GH/s - this guy had a 2012 order and blew it big time https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjCZrDbAiz_PdE4tbDR3X3owMHNMb1NyekJGWHN4QlE#gid=0Unless BFL never ships. Then he comes out ahead. Especially if there are not enough funds left in the BFL coffers to refund everyone. * Tries to figure out why it's anyone's business what I spend my Bitcoins on * I can help you figure that out - because you created this thread out of sour grapes and now encourage other bfl customers to get a refund. Your 2012 order would have sold on here (and has done) for at least 5 times what you paid. Just sell it on here if you weren't happy. Now, instead of having potential $20k you have spent $3-4K and end up with 6 GH/s Correct me if I'm wrong but that is a fail... So Nottm28, You advocate the "sell it to the greater fool" theory. If it is not good enough for you, sell it (offload it) unto someone else who is stupid enough to not ask why you are offloading it in the first place. Transfer the bad buying opportunity to someone else?
Correct me if I'm wrong but that is a fail...
You sir, have the heart of a scammer... |
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Is this a new kind of maneuver where idiot A says something stupid, and idiot B backs him up, on said stupidity being essentially valid??
Whatever happened to just admitting you said something incredibly stupid and working on the next stupidity to come in the near future?
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3) Don't want anyone else to get an ASIC because it will slow your hash rate down (like puerto).
A new level of stupidity has just been achieved. Moron thinks that my hashrate will "slow down" because more ASICs are involved?  |
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i like to report retards who state they only accept BTC... ebay usually shuts em down ricky ticky too..
You read my mind... |
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 Caption: BFL Josh (left) watches studiously as Yifu and Team Avalon (pictured right) school him on ASICs and product development. |
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STEP 1.Determine when you think you SHOULD get your ASIC Miner. Use and edit the following link with the format shown below: http://daycalc.appspot.com/05/29/2013 <--- Link that will easily tell you how many days until that date. http://daycalc.appspot.com/MM/DD/YYYY <--- The Date format accepted. STEP 2.Determine where you are in the queue and how many units must be delivered before yours will be. Remember, each customer may have more than one unit on order. For example, a Customer with an order number of xx1900 may have 2 jallys on order. You must "guesstimate" how many devices and how many customers there are ahead of you. A safe number will probably be to use the order number itself as a rough guesstimate of how many units are before you. If your order starts with xx50389 then you can assume anywhere from 25 thousand to 50 thousand units must be shipped before yours may be. (remember it is all a guesstimate) STEP 3.Take the number of days you expect to wait from the first link and divide by the number of units you think are ahead of you in the queue. The result is that you will have a rough understanding of how many units BFL must ship within the days you plugged in. ------------------ EXAMPLE: I think BFL will ship en masse at or around June 15, 2013. So I will modify the link in step 1 to: http://daycalc.appspot.com/06/15/2013After visiting that address it tells me there are....25 days until then. Step 2, estimate how many units you believe may be ahead of you (play with low and high numbers to get a realistic idea): Lets assume there are 25,000 BFL units ahead of mine with a fictitious order number of xx27999. Step 3, plug the number in: 25,000 BFL units / divided by / 25 days = 1,000 units per day for 25 days until BFL gets to mine. (obviously account for weekends and holidays to get a more refined idea) Hope this helps. Keep in mind BFL has said their expected mass capacity is around 400 unit per day. Of course until their bulk wafers show up, that is unlikely to ever happen. (IMO)
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https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/162-sorry-i-wasnt-clear.html We know that the claim of "ignoring the mean ones" has been verified as a lie. --- BFL_Jody , 05-19-2013 at 05:55 PM A few more Jalapenos went out Saturday and a few more Jalapenos will go out Monday. We have answered more than 1,000 emails in the last week. I enjoy reading your comments, but I don't have time to answer them individually. I am answering emails 7 days a week as are many of my employees. We appreciate your nice comments and ignore the mean ones. We understand your frustration--we are as anxious as any of you to ship all these orders. 24 x7 = 168 hours in a week. Lets assume she only works half of those. 84 viable hours. She said "We" not "I". That means you can divide 1000 by at least 3. Lets say 1000 emails divided by 3 Customer Service Agents. (333~ Email per rep) Then divided by 84 viable hours of work. 333~ / 84 = 4~ per hour. One every fifteen minutes. That is pretty low volume. I assume each one is incredibly customized and non-reptitive. --------------------- Or, I can infer that the other 7000 email must be pretty damn negative and are ignored. Previously the BFL reps used to say they would go through 500 per day. That was their average (self admitted) load. Now we have Jody saying "We" (unspecified number but I assume more than 5 CS agents) are pumping out 1000 PER WEEK! Youch...the customer service agents are probably taking a break every 5 minutes. Their productivity levels are now down by quite the margin. |
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Oh yay, all the BFL folks can do is call people trolls, douches, and other names.
One thing I am sure of, BFL-minternj would spit in other peoples food. If he could hold down a job as a waiter that is..
About the only good thing about BFL is they can't piss, shit and jizz in an ASIC, otherwise they would (assuming they ever ship). but they can cancel your order. Which was the point of my original comment. Edit and the topic of this thread. This thread is pretty weak... we all know that the folks who like BFL still are going to like them no matter what... and the folks who don't like BFL are pretty firm in their camp as well. Who are those folks that like them no matter what? If you see, the haters have some strange view of the world and can't see past the red in their own eyes. I troll them and make neutral statements about the topic in the forums and they label me a shill. It's pretty hilarious. I haven't said anything "nice" about the company besides point out that the customer can make their own choice in maintaining a business relationship with bfl. Whats hilarious is how people revert to 4 year old tactics when caught in a lie and you can even sense the dismay and embarrassment from being caught in a lie of your own making. The lesson of the day is to admit when you are wrong. At the very least learn not to do it again. A lie never wins anyone anything but a few more moments of time and a lot of flak/heartache in the future. Hi-larious I tell you. I've trolled all the trolls out they are crawling out from all over. Oh no i lead about michelin star rests. It would really bother me if I really cared what you thought. Its like its hard to book a reservation at one or something. Oh wait, its not. You call book a reservation in advance then eat. But, I guess you must not know how civilized society works. To even think going to one is a huge feat that someone would care to lie about it is one word, Hi-larious. Have you noticed by now that the more embarrassed you become, the worse your spelling becomes? I might be dyslexic but, at least I try to spell properly. (Anyway, I forgive you Miniternj, everyone has their bad day on BitCoinTalk) |
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Welcome to my ignore list. Your failures at attempts of logic, reason, or anything approaching rational thought processes in this thread has twisted my synapses into a pretzel trying to figure out what your point is. I need to draw the line when you reduce yourself to "I know you are but what am I ?" inanity. No you are a troll beucase you are one. Caught in a lie in your own warped mind. It's funny you think I would need to lie about eating in michelinstar rests. It's not some sort of life accomplishment . It was dinner and ill eat dinner again tomorrow night and the night after.
Pretty much... |
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Oh yay, all the BFL folks can do is call people trolls, douches, and other names.
One thing I am sure of, BFL-minternj would spit in other peoples food. If he could hold down a job as a waiter that is..
About the only good thing about BFL is they can't piss, shit and jizz in an ASIC, otherwise they would (assuming they ever ship). but they can cancel your order. Which was the point of my original comment. Edit and the topic of this thread. This thread is pretty weak... we all know that the folks who like BFL still are going to like them no matter what... and the folks who don't like BFL are pretty firm in their camp as well. Who are those folks that like them no matter what? If you see, the haters have some strange view of the world and can't see past the red in their own eyes. I troll them and make neutral statements about the topic in the forums and they label me a shill. It's pretty hilarious. I haven't said anything "nice" about the company besides point out that the customer can make their own choice in maintaining a business relationship with bfl. Whats hilarious is how people revert to 4 year old tactics when caught in a lie and you can even sense the dismay and embarrassment from being caught in a lie of your own making. The lesson of the day is to admit when you are wrong. At the very least learn not to do it again. A lie never wins anyone anything but a few more moments of time and a lot of flak/heartache in the future. |
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People who allow themselves to remain captive will remain captive until their desire for the carrot changes.
Someone who has held on since June 2012 has a strong incentive to keep their order. The profit motive is strong.
If I threaten them (implied or otherwise by making an example) I can keep you in your place. As long as you desire what I promise to give you, you will remain with me and waiting.
If you ever change your mind and air it, you will suffer the loss of the premise (whether real or imagined) to make a profit. Therefore, I can control you simply by bringing your desire to profit under control.
It is super basic but anyone can understand that much. People in abusive or dangerous relationships don't stop being rational. They simply have their desires mixed up or their understandings of the situation...severely distorted.
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But then again, as any shill will point out, this is all theory and has nothing at all to do with BFL as they are not keeping anyone hostage. No, they are not even involuntarily canceling orders without a persons permission to penalize them for speaking out.
Correct? (This is where you say "yes")
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Stockholm syndrome is being held captive. People could have bailed on their bfl order anytime. So, try a diff analogy.
Captive held by "profit seeking" is still being willfully captive. I will ship you a money making machine that will change your income stream by 5 figures in one month. (The Promise/Premise) But you will have to wait for it. (The Carrot) If you complain, I will find out who you are and I will cancel your order, understand? (The Stick) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premise |
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I have a few others, if you don't mind:
-why use 50 BTC MAGMA PCI extender boxes? Cheaper (way cheaper) solutions exist.
@ KS Do you know of any cheaper examples? |
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Virtual Mining Corporation is now taking pre-orders for its Fast-Hash-80 80 GH/s Bitcoin Mining Machine. www.virtualminingcorp.comSo much info from you...When do you expect to have a prototype working? What about finished devices for customers? Why aren't you giving more info? Our first series of machines will be build using the tested technology of Avalon, there chips and there board, this will be our version 1 board. We will then take that board a re-spin it with a PCI express interface so our customers will be able to use our expansion case. After we re-spin the board we will have an upgrade program for our version 1 board for customer who wish to upgrade. We have chips on order from Avalon and will be placing more orders for chips depending on our sales. Our delivery date will be adjusted based on sales. The current date for delivery is only for the first batch of machines that we order chips for in the next week. This also it depends on our suppliers, i.e. Avalon. I talked with Yifu at Bitcoin 2013 and Avalon is not going to be build any more machines, they are just going to be a chip supplier. Our second and third series of machines will be build on our own Fast-Hash chips 45nm and 28nm. Since we are here in San Jose at Bitcoin 2013, of which we will be posting video on the site, we had a meeting with our supplier of our chips. Since we are using Avalon's technology chips and boards we don't expect a long testing time. Also, talking with Yifu, if we could order a complete order of 10,000 chips, we would receive some testing chips. The rest of our parts for our machines our off-the-shelf and are readily available. Our shipping date is firm for about the first 20 devices sold, then we will move that date back to 9/30/2013 for the next 100 macines. I hope this gives you the information you need. I am surprised, your answer was a complete and concise roadmap of your plans. You can't get that kind of answer out of BFL. I am tentatively in favor of your company. (Make sure to post your video at BitCoin 2013.) I want to ask what you feel you will improve with your Avalon based clones at this time? I noticed you have mentioned the PCIe interface. A very good start. What other kinds of features do you foresee? (points that set you apart from the other clone makers?) |
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The prototype itself signifies that the design works, and most (if not all) bugs encountered won't kill the company's future.
It is only rational to produce a proof of concept....that not even a simulation could provide.
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