First of all, fuck your lame attempt to be polite and nice and not offend anyone.

The term you are looking for is "illegal alien." Just one example...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973

....specifically, they write, "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

Specifically, the authors say that illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010. That's a lot of votes. And when you consider the population of illegal inhabitants has only grown since then, it's not unreasonable to suppose that their vote has, too.

An interesting comment, made on the day that Reddit censored r/Trump.

Every day another conservative voice is being silenced, and you dare to say that?

Oh, don't worry about refraction. We're way past that sort of thing.

But the Moon does change in diameter, and we know that because we can measure the distance between two large craters, and they change proportionally.

Using your triangulation method, this would mean simply that the distance to the Moon is varying.

As you say, it has a cycle. Of course, the Moon has numerous cycles, and that is one of them.

But there's a problem. Over the course of a month, there is the phenomena of LIBRATION. This basically means that at one part of the month, we see more of the left side, and at another, more of the right hand side. In all, we see 59% of the surface of the moon over the course of a month. That's not possible with a flat plate. In fact, the geometry pretty much dictates that is what happens with a sphere.

So it's no longer just a light in the sky. It's a light in the sky that's describing cyclic paths, moving closer and further away, and there's a special robot plane flying between us and the Moon, creating the look of a blood moon during eclipse. And LIBRATION demands that this light in the sky be spherical because we see 59% of it.

And there's another robot plane that moves the light in the sky that's the Moon around on it's path and up and down, right? It's, you say, a 32 mile wide thing so that's a pretty big plane. Maybe a wingspan of 60 miles?

Leave that for now and let's go back to the changes in diameter.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/moon_ap_per.html

Your triangulation requires, in a flat Earth model, the plane to carry this 32 mile moon closer and then farther away. How much further? How is that done?

Can I get a couple of these planes that will carry 32 mile wide big lights or whatever they are? Wait, where would I land them and gas them up? Can I pay in bitcoin?

Nonsense. Everyone knows shooting a drone down isn't a prelude to war.

Also everyone knows we/they/everyone could use some eyes in the sky in a area where some Mystery Party is bombing oil tankers.

What you are really saying is (blah-blah-blah) it's okay for Google to dictate the results of the next election.

And no, it's not.

I see it exactly reversed. Some people in DC that hate his upsetting their little apple cart think they are gods gift to earth, and think they have the right to say who we should be allowed to vote into office and not.

Nobody is forbidding them to break existing law.

There are simply clear consequences if they do, and they have.

Nobody is going to prevent them from doing things that cause them to do significant jail time.

Respectfully, you are talking nonsense.

I invite you, and anyone else who thinks they know the subject from reading it on the internet, to spend two days in that desert between the US and Mexico.

Then there's only one thing you'll have to say.

"Don't."

In the last decade, our satellites have used sensors to determine the elements on the lunar surface, the magnetism and gravitational changes, the temperatures, many other things.

These satellites are put into lunar polar orbits, so the Moon rotates below them, and over the course of a month they will gather data on the entire lunar surface.

That would mean those claims of a hollow moon with such a group of surface elements was wrong.

Steel is pretty elastic.

Ever seen a crane moving a 150' long steel section? It will be wobbling around like rubber.

It does not have the strength in compression to withstand the gravitational forces for a dome of that size. No material does, this is why large masses collapse into spheres we call planets. An an example, suppose we created a perfect cube of high carbon steel, 6000 miles on each side. It would immediately collapse into a sphere, about the size of the Earth.

Got any other ideas that'll keep the Earth flat? If you could shrink the Earth to a couple miles across, you might be able to keep that flat surface working.

Trump has already done this. He's directed NASA to go back to the Moon. It is ONLY because the hate the media has for him that they do not / have not reported this.

But he is more of a doer than a talker, so let's see them minimize the issue when our men are boots on the ground.

Much easier though, and essentially the same, would be an Apollo 8 - Apollo 10 style mission, circle the Moon and return home. AFAIK all the parts and pieces are available for this, but we don't have a modern LEM built and ready to fly (or men trained to use it).

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The FuckOffers are a Yuge voting block.

What you say might be true, but the link does not provide evidence of it. At least not that I see.

You didn't finish the quoted paragraph. Here it is.

When Apollo 12 deliberately crashed the Ascent Stage of its Lunar Module onto the Moon's surface, it was claimed that the Moon rang like a bell for an hour, leading to arguments that it must be hollow like a bell.[1] Lunar seismology experiments since then have shown that the lunar body has shallow moonquakes that act differently from quakes on Earth, due to differences in texture, type and density of the planetary strata, but there is no evidence of any large empty space inside the body.

"Rang like a bell" is a figure of speech. The acoustics of sound propagation do not require a hollow cavity for something to ring like a bell.

There's also a lot more evidence or pros and cons on this argument on the line if you're looking

There is no evidence for this argument, however it's important to be able to work through such a question to a logical answer based on math and science.

We know the  orbit of the Moon. As early as the 1960s, observations of the exact paths of lunar orbiters led to very accurate calculations of the Lunar mass. Dividing this by the volume gives a number of density per cubic meter. For the Moon to be hollow, the material forming the hollow sphere would have to be that much heavier per unit volume. And that's not the case. Other scientific evidence exists, at the bottom of your link.

Politics. Democrats kill space programs. Time after time.


Maybe. Impossible to disprove. But we have gone back, again and agin, although with robots. We've mapped the entire moon's surface down to everything the size of a football.


The moon does act sort of like an outrigger on a canoe. Otherwise, like Uranus, a planet could rotate 90 degrees to the plane of the solar system.

...keep pushing for a sure loser.

Always with tech one must look not at what it seems to be, but what it is destined or likely to become.

But just to look at the immediate issues, here's one thing.

Facebook sells your data to advertisers, and you give them a currency.

That closes the loop, creating a situation where the money knows the market trend, and yet creates and influences the market trend.

See any problems with that?