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2981  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is bitcoin an asset or a currency? on: November 12, 2021, 08:27:29 PM
Exactly, though it has characteristics of currency, and you can use bitcoin as a payment method but it varies from country to country, In some countries, products cannot be purchased with Bitcoin or Bitcoin is not accepted as a payment method. So in these countries Bitcoin will only act as an asset because they cannot use it as a currency. Many countries have Bitcoin ATM booths and they support credit cards, in which case they can use Bitcoin as currency and assets.
My country doesn't allow me to use bitcoin as currency, but my friend accept bitcoin as a mean of payment. LOL

You all probably already know that Indonesia does not legalize bitcoin as a legal tender because we have laws that must be obeyed. Basically we can only use bitcoin as a tradable asset on any exchange and not limited to decentralized or centralized exchanges. But some people may secretly continue to use it as a mean of payment because the government and its regulation may never detect it.
2982  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: November 12, 2021, 08:17:13 PM
Dembele was fined by Xavi for being 3 minutes late, this is a very important time for Xavi so anyone who is late will be fined including other staff, Xavi does put forward very strict rules of course this must be followed by other players, and if this continues reset I think Xavi will make Another decision.

Xavi has a very high social level meaning they know this legend applies when he is still playing at Barcelona.

Source: https://www.90min.com/posts/ousmane-dembele-fined-xavi-barcelona-training-late
LOL, Dembele was only 3 minute late but that will teach Dembele and the rest of the players to be disciplined another day. New coach, new rules because Xavi has a strong determination to discipline his players and staff. I haven't heard of many rule imposed on players by Koeman before but Xavi seem to have brought new change to his team and players with these rule and disciplinary sanction.
2983  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: November 11, 2021, 07:30:06 PM
I do NOT think that the changes will be so dramatic. The teams in Laliga have increased their level and Barcelona without Messi is not so scary for them. Therefore, they will show more aggressive play against her than before. And Barcelona now has no strong players who can oppose such a game. There will be victories, but it is not worth demanding a victorious march from Xavi. He will have a very difficult job.
Barcelona has entered a different era after Xavi and Iniesta are no longer in the team as players. They lost a lot of important players like messi, Suarez and some other players in the last few season. The quality of the team has decreased while there is no worthy player to replace them all so Barcelona is on a different level. This is clearly a concern that Barcelona will be eliminated from participation in the Champions League every season because they are not able to compete with other team that continue to develop.

There's nothing wrong with expecting something good from Xavi's return to the team as coach, that's good in my opinion. Many things will be changed and also regarding the application of rule and sanction for players who violate, it will never be superfluous to apply because a good start starts with discipline.
2984  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Untuk Newbie] Alasan Untuk Tidak Trading Uang Pinjam on: November 11, 2021, 07:14:54 PM
sangat setuju . kalau uang pinjaman untuk bisnis b2b atau b2p masih make sense ada kepastian profit yang akan didapat dalam periode waktu yang di rencanakan . kalau untuk trading beda cerita dan malah bisa menimbulkan masalah baru nantinya. bahkan trader yang saat ini dalam kondisi sukses pun kalau menceritakan kisah tradingnya juga pasti ada cerita loss besarnya juga.
Tujuan trading sebenarnya adalah untuk mendapatkan keuntungan, tapi merupakan hal yang lumrah karena aset yang ditradingkan terus berfluktuasi maka untung dan rugi tidak dapat dihilangkan. Ada kategori trader yang bisa mendapatkan keuntungan untuk setiap entri yang mereka lakukan, dan ada banyak trader bahkan sangat jarang mendapatkannya. Hal ini sangat tergantung pada pengalaman dan kemampuan trader dalam menganalisa aset yang ingin mereka tradingkan dan juga tahu kapan moment yang tepat melakukannya.

Sama halnya dengan pinjaman untuk tujuan judi, trading tanpa pengetahuan dan analisa hanya akan berpotensi besar menghasilkan kerugian yang berdampak pada macetnya pinjaman yang dibuat. Satu hal lain jika itu tentang pinjaman crypto, fluktuasi yang tinggi telah menyebabkan banyak pinjaman macet sehingga ane tidak akan menyarankan untuk membuat pinjaman untuk tujuan apapaun kecuali jika itu stablecoin.
2985  Other / Meta / Re: Red Tag is becoming Rampant in the Forum. on: November 11, 2021, 06:31:02 PM
Literally yes, they are different even though I came across both the names lot of times didn't recognize it until the bitcointalk AI (Loycev) wrote this recently. Cheesy
If you are used to watching Laliga match, then you will be very familiar with one of these site (1xBET) because it is one of the sponsors of Laliga. But 1xbit is definitely a scam site where there are a lot of customers complaining about their service site.

Findingnemo, if you check 1xbit squad one by one then you will also find that some of them are bounty cheaters who have previously been tagged for campaign abuse. Some managers no longer accept it in campaign, but 1xbit accept it and it allows the account so far to post. They can post useful stuff and maybe the forum don't ban it, but the signatures carried by them will have a negative impact on other users where this can increase the number of fraud occurrences.

If tag can stop their activity, maybe I'll tag them all even though they're already tagged. But so far none of them care about negative tag on profile because they have considered these consequences since submitting the application.

2986  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin circulation increases on: November 11, 2021, 05:57:24 PM
Actually I'm not worried how many previously lost bitcoin can be recovered by their owners and will enter circulation, but since ATH has recently re-formed, I think it will have an effect on the price to some degree. The market will be very influential quickly just because of the news that spread and I don't expect wallet with a sizable amount of bitcoin to be active again in the future because people are worried about satoshi wallet.

Sorry about all this confusion (probably), but that's not what I meant. Locking this thread to prevent further confusion and misunderstanding. LOL, sorry.
2987  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: November 11, 2021, 05:40:18 PM
You sure about this?
The last time Barcelona had that fear factor was during the time of Guardiola. Just look up the data and see how many times they have bottled in the past decade. If there's any team to fear in the History of UCL, it's Real Madrid. They didn't win it 3 consecutive times by mistake.
Of course not, I mean Barcelona should immediately return to the top 4 beside Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Sevilla or Sociedad who will represent Laliga to the Champions League. The participation of Barcelona and Real Madrid as Champions League always get attention because they have previously dominated Europe. They used to be a scary team in Europe, but maybe not in recent seasons except for Real Madrid. This season Barcelona have not lost anything because they still have the opportunity to improve, but yes it is quite difficult to realize because their stock of experienced players is very limited due to injury.
2988  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: November 10, 2021, 07:01:13 PM
The effects of a new trainer may not last long. But it is clear that Xavi is determined to demand the maximum from the players and will not make any concessions to anyone. For him there are no authorities and favorites in the team. I hope that all this will only benefit Barcelona and we will soon see it as strong as before.
Barcelona and Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid have led La Liga as one of the competition to be reckoned with in Europe and they have also managed to dominate Europe in recent years by winning the Champions League title. Without Barcelona at the top I don't think any other team in Europe will be afraid of the representative of the Spanish team when they are in the Champions League but they will still count Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid.

Fans will expect a lot from Xavi and it's time to prove that Barcelona still has hope to continue to rise from its slumber. Starting with the match vs Espanyol will give a little idea how Xavi's strategy for Barcelona is really useful, but now the recovery process of many players will be a separate obstacle for Barcelona.
2989  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 on: November 10, 2021, 06:25:41 PM
and after the sacking of Daniel Farke at norwich city, we may soon see another familiar face in the premier league. speculation is that the successor will be Frank Lampard with the task of saving the promoted club from relegation
Is that just your wild opinion, mate?

I don't know how Lampard will handle the team if he is actually appointed as coach. He had coached Chelsea before and he failed to make the team successful. But I would never believe that Lampard can prevent the team from relegation if his experience with Chelsea is compared.
2990  Other / Meta / Re: Red Tag is becoming Rampant in the Forum. on: November 10, 2021, 06:17:58 PM
But recently, you cannot go through a page without seeing atleast 7 users with -ve tag, especially in gambling section.
These users are wearing signatures, doing other things normally in the forum as if the -ve tag doesn't really matter.
If the number of negatively tagged users keep increasing, it will reach to a stage that majority of the users in the forum would be negatively tagged and hence could fault the essence of the trust system.
Note that most of them are 1xbit troop that have been tagged by DT but they can't be stopped because the campaign pays for it or it's an account managed by their own site. If you are worried about them then I can only suggest you ignore them instead of having to reply to their post. If none of the campaigns and bounty received users with negative tags then 90% of them I'm sure would sleep.
2991  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin circulation increases on: November 10, 2021, 06:08:57 PM
LOL, did I make a mistake here, but really didn't mean to.  Wink

Sorry if my assumption about bitcoin circulating is wrong according to your understanding. I just think that there are million of bitcoin stored in wallet that are currently inactive due to user error or the owner has died will no longer be in circulating so the total of 21 million bitcoin will no longer arrive. I mean some wallet may have been reactivated because they have been restored by their owners and that has increased the supply currently circulating both in the market and in the community. I just want to know what you think about it, can it affect the bitcoin market?
2992  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin circulation increases on: November 10, 2021, 05:05:42 PM
At least in the last almost 8 months I have been monitoring the increase in bitcoin circulation, which is currently almost 19 million bitcoin out of a total supply of 21 million. As of March 19, 2021, there were 18,658,093 bitcoin in circulation, but today I see that it continues to increase to 18,869,337 bitcoin. There are a total of 211,244 bitcoin in circulation as of March 19, 2021.

https://blockchain.info/q/totalbc
Code:
Circulating Supply BTC= 18.658.093

I think this increase tells us that many holders have either issued their old bitcoin for sale or that there is an increase in the number of old wallet being recovered. In your opinion, does this increase in circulation have a positive impact on bitcoin or is this a sign that many holders will sell their bitcoin?

https://blockchain.info/q/totalbc at 10-11-2021
Code:
18.869.337 btc

2993  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: November 09, 2021, 07:47:02 PM
It's true, this impact is felt especially in the country I live in right now.
In the past few years, La Liga's enthusiasm has been very intense here, especially during El Clasico matches and the rivalry between Messi and Ronaldo.
But after they left Real Madrid and Barcelona this intense enthusiasm slowly disappeared and this was exacerbated by Barcelona's performance this year which made La Liga even more sidelined.
Don't ignore Barcelona so soon. Now they have brought home the Xavi that Barcelona fans have been waiting for. Xavi can bring back the philosophy of the Barcelona game that was lost so far on the pitch, there is a new spirit on the faces of the players and supporters even though at this time they have to work hard to improve it slowly.
2994  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [LOG] List Rank Up Member Indonesia (Member - Legendary) on: November 09, 2021, 07:21:02 PM
Untuk upaya membantu banyak pengguna lokal board Indonesia mendapatkan merit dan perhatian merit source dari luar ane sekarang sudah sedikit merasa lega karena sudah menyampaikan aspirasi ane disana. Ada beberapa keluhan yang ane baca dari beberapa pengguna indonesia tentang merit yang pada hari ini menyulut niat ane menyampaikan hal itu terlaksana. Semoga beberapa dari mereka punya niat untuk membantu beberapa pengguna dari Indonesia rank up.

Ada yang sampeyan tidak sebutkan tapi aktif di sini, karena dia jarang ngepost saja jadi gak kelihatan.
ETFbitcoin? Beliau memang salah satu dari merit source ane pikir. Berikut buktinya:

2995  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: November 09, 2021, 07:03:50 PM
If you and some other merit source don't mind, it might also be worth helping some users from local Indonesian board to get merit and help them to rank up. I've heard several complaint over the past few months about the lack of merit being shared among users on the list below as the liveliness of Indonesian merit source has decreased slightly. ETFbitcoin and Husna QA are two source of merit that I currently know of for Indonesia, but without the presence of other merit source, most users will experience different level of difficulty getting merit and rank up.



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In 2020, AakZaki (a local Indonesian user) had applied to become a merit source but until now we never knew what his status was. However, there are high hopes from some Indonesian users to have an active merit source like before dbshck with its 17253 Smerit.

2996  Economy / Economics / Re: Who wants to do what. Jobs or business.. on: November 09, 2021, 06:10:45 PM
At present we all want to finish our studies and get a good job. But when a man finishes his studies and wants to get a job, it is not easy for him to get the job. Again, some people take small jobs with some bribes from the leaders and then it is seen that the family does not survive with their small jobs because slowly the world is becoming digital and everything is more expensive.So if one takes initiative in advance then one can enjoy his life better. The job is to work under people, the business is to give people job under themselves and to help many helpless people.
So I hope your comments are good. Job or business..
To become a formal employee working under government regulation you need a higher education, but you are not required to have a higher education if you are starting your own business. I finished my education 8 years ago and have only been working for the last 6 years. Yes I enjoyed a free life without any workload for almost 2 years after I finished my education before finally I had to work under government regulation due to economic factor.

Not everyone is able to build and manage their own business where the capital factor is the main problem. Being in a third country you can't do much because capital is the reason why most of us can't have our own business and run it. So, what's the problem?
2997  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Elon musk is for crypto or just for attention to boost Tesla, SpaceX? on: November 09, 2021, 05:24:54 PM
As a person who always seeks public attention, Elon Musk really needs to do something like that because it can boost the popularity of his products. I think it's okay because it doesn't hurt anyone, it's actually good for cryptocurrency users as the popularity of cryptocurrencies is growing. With this news, the price of Bitcoin gradually rose due to external factors like Elon Musk did. I hope people or public figures like Elon Musk promote cryptocurrency by seeking public attention.
I can't believe he hasn't harmed anyone so far in your opinion. Take a look at what he did with Doge and Bitcoin a while back, are you sure no investors were harmed by his behavior?

I might agree with his presence in the crypto space, the interest of other institutional investors is growing. Obviously this was to be expected, but Elon Musk's behavior often send market bouncing where there are some people who are harmed.
2998  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 on: November 06, 2021, 07:25:32 PM
Ole should be fired long ago. But, I can't think what the real reason why the management still keeps Ole as the coach.
Not all results are bad just because Ole and I believe all the players that Ole entrusted to also have to take responsibility for these result. Despite the poor result for Manchester United today I would like to express my admiration for the team's performance today in the derby. All the Manchester City players were outstanding until the game ended. Losing Varane left Manchester United's defense very fragile, but it's not just about Varane as the whole squad doesn't seem to be playing well.

Brighton drew vs Newcastle, so Manchester United are still in the top 5 with the same points until tomorrow as Arsenal have not played their match. Arsenal have a great opportunity to throw Manchester United in 6th place considering Arsenal have started to find a positive path in the last few match.
2999  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the most profitable way for me to earn income on my idle Bitcoin? on: November 06, 2021, 03:34:19 PM
@BITCOIN4X, my advice not to keep all the eggs in the same basket was directed towards the fact that the OP (as far as I understood) keeps all the BTC he bought at a certain service that pays him interest for it. If someone is already investing in this way, it would be logical to allocate their funds to at least 2-3 such services.
If this is the case, I'd also be willing to advise him against keeping everything on one platform. Of course it would be a very smart choice if the OP was willing to do it for 2-3 different platform.

It is pointless to compare any non-custodial wallet with any crypto wallet where the user has no absolute control over their private keys. We live in the belief that most hardware wallets are a fairly secure way to store private keys, which is mostly true - but security depends not only on the device/software, but also on those who use them.
Indeed, many cases of lost access to wallets and failed security implementations are caused by the users themselves. This implies that even if the hardware wallet has been tested for security, the user will also be responsible for its security.
3000  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 on: November 06, 2021, 02:55:25 PM
Disgusting performance by United today and how much patience does the fans have ? I think 0. This was the last game of Ole as United coach as I simply don't care who is coming to replace him but we really need a top manager as soon as possible. Maybe somehow , we can bring Diego Simmeone from ATL.Madrid as he is having kinda the same fate on his team and he is looking for a new challenge.
For Manchester City fans I believe this derby is a great game because their team played well for 90 minute and won the match. The mentality of the Manchester City players was great today from the start and it was the perfect revenge after last week's loss vs Crystal Palace. Maybe Ole should be sacked for this bad result, but who will replace him? Simeone is good, but he needs a lot of time to adapt to the atmosphere of the Premier League which is super tight. Congratulation to Manchester city fans today.  Wink

~Snip
Don't forget, De Gea made great save today there were at least 4 save if I remember correctly. Otherwise, Manchester United are completely ruined by their own defender as well as Manchester city players.
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