No if you transfer (wire) money from A to B, and you Meant C, and B spends your money, then they (B) can go to jail for theft. Seen it with my own eyes.

In the BTC world, if you transfer BTC to an address that's not under your control (ONLY U know private key), then that BTC is gone forever, no exeptions.

99% of all exchanges are scam, even IRS-COINbase will take your cash, give you THEIR address

The only way to get real privately/anonyously BTC is to mine, and have the pool transfer BTC daily to your address

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People just lose BTC to easy, which is why most of these people should just be trading BTC-ETFS and be done with that, at least there if you get ripped off you can file a complaint with the SEC for arbitrage.

If you bought shares in BTC-ETF x on the stock-market, say Fidelity; You wouldn't transfer those shares to a NIGERIAN Scammer would YOU?

The majority of people just don't belong in the BTC world.

Some here will say 'smart wallets', but we know that is bullshit, because that 'free wallet' is a scam

Some will say "Hard Wallet" USB Trezor, we know that is a scam, cuz that scratch-off private key they enclose in your package, they too have that key, as soon as you put funds on that 'hard wallet' the funds are gone ( swept away )

What is safe, how do experts keep their BTC?

Probably write-down the priv-key on paper keep it in a fire proof safe, make sure its only ever been on an offline system, that is clean, with no virus, like the hive model, that has NO shared stored memory

The really RICH whale mining-pools seem to create just a few addresses, keep the key in a vault, and use the same address for deposits, I see some addresses with 100's of 1,000's of Bitcoin, this seems to be a better approach, as your not messing with 100's of priv-keys on wallets on systems that have keystroke capture

Also almost every free add-on on firefox, chrome that say 'ad-block' seems to have crypto-mining and wallet theft, I mean you really got to make sure your not running anything when your messing with priv-keys on a computer. I frequently run clamav on many linux systems, even mining rigs, and I'm quite surprised the number of crypto-viruses found, first symptom is system is running slower than normal

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A fool and his money are always departed, the 'confidence scam' is endless. I know people who trade bitcoin on localbitcoin.com, they meet in parks, their greatest fear all of them is a Nigerian finding out where they live, the attitude is soon as you become successful they mark you for total cleansing ( house breakin .... purge )

This is why privacy is so important in BTC, because once 'they' know you have it, and who you are, they can steal it, and 99% ( who have their own keys ) people keep  priv-keys on their computer, or close by. Of course 99% of common users don't even use priv-keys, as the exchange does it for them, then its even easier for the criminal to get your email, and mobile-phone number (SMS), and forge your phone-sim, get into the exchange 2factor transfer all your money out. Gone.

The majority of all exchanges are criminal, and the majority of all people who work at exchanges, are working for their Nigerian counter-parts outside, exchanges are setup to 'trade', e.g. take all your money on fee's, if you leave the balance there, then it just gets stolen.

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The OP here got ripped off, I think most get ripped off, unless their very-very careful.

Long ago they said "If your rich, you watch your golden-eggs like a hawk", then & now, same with BTC, you have BTC, you keep those priv-keys hidden, & never near a computer or internet, or an exchange, and you tell NOBODY you have BTC

Which gets back to privacy, If THEY GOV know you got it, they'll get it, because the GOV is the mafia, they just steal it, and call it 'asset forfeiture', all BTC is tainted by definition.

I'm in ASIA, I can't source; Yes nothing is shipping to Africa or USA

This is going to get much worse before it gets better

Last time this happened prices fell like a rock, once the channels were filled. Last summer I could buy anything cheap.

This is a double-whammy, can't source components, and cards are sold-out; This could continue for years. If manufacturers can't source components, then no cards can be built.

Take care of your existing cards boyz, newbs you are SOL if you want to play

Obviously when ETH goes POS very soon, mining ETH will because obsolete, then its back to mining for par electricity costs, right now we're in the golden-age of GPU mining, but its NOT going to last.

The entire reason I asked this question, is just to see if anybody on earth had a source. Given the easy money right now, people with 30xx cards would have to be dumb or lazy to sell them

Of course the other wild-card if ETH plummets back to earth, because the crypto-scam falls out of favor, then the GPUS will once again be cheap-cheap and plentiful

WOW my 30xx cards run at 40C when they're not mining, and then soon as start mining they run up to 70C, so I drop the 'wattage' to keep at below 72c

Where do you live Siberia? Air-Con room? my ambient temp is 32C just turning on the power-supply to boards they jump from 33c to 40c at idle

Don't believe too much the spec's, you'll hear 50-200mhs, some cards will over-clock some will not, mostly about the memory in the card, and how high you can clock it, lots of real cheap bad quality 30xx cards out there

NICEHASH sucks, all mining revenue goes to their wallet, and they keep increasing the ceiling on payoffs, and when you finally do get a payment you find it can only be spent at their 'company store' or cashed out at their 'bank', in the old days their claim was 'all payout in BTC', yes they value payout in BTC, but they never payout as such

What software you run, the one that sends all payment to your address where you hold the private-key

Software?? Most IMHO are running TREX these days on linux


Just mining is always a 30C differential, for you to tell us your cards are mining at 40C, then your ambient would be 10C, it just doesn't make sense. Unless of course your not mining, and your cards are just at idle

All my cards are like this, when one card starts creeping up above 74C, its always because its dirty, must take the entire card apart clean everything, new high-quality thermal-grease, and then temp is back below average, about every six months all year round this must be done. Dust bunny's form over critical parts block airflow ( usually voltage regulators ), they got hot with no air, if not addressed the board burns up, you must scan for burnt components, and then learn to do micro-scopic solder-reflow, after you have sourced the chips online in CHina. Just keep your cards cool, and clean. You'll be good.

IMHO people who talk about over-clocking are nuts, keeping the card cool&clean far more important, you run a card hot&dirty, and the card dies, then you have a $5k rock ( these days these cards can't be replaced ), take care of your cards.

If you over-clock, only after you got TEMP under control, monitor that the over-clocking doesn't increase the temp, I find -pl power-level is most important parameter, for temp control, sure over-clocking can get you 1-5% increase in hash, but if you kill your card how much money have you lost? Downtime for the rig; If you own 100's of rigs, sure then overclocking is REAL MONEY, but if you just have one rig and 4 gpus, don't kill them. Your fussing around isn't going to do much over-all, especially if you don't watch the temp all the time like a hawk.

I run some rigs in the house, some in the barn, obviously barn rigs get hot in the day and cool at night, so you critical is getting day temp under control;

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Lastly, which software you use is completely dependent upon what your mining, I guess these days its all ETH? Don't know, its the most profitable. Usually the mining-pool you choose, will tell you the best software to run for their pool, and they usually provide you the download links.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-bitcoin-sale-272-million-profit/

Well its a done deal, god himself has pulled the rug underneath BTC, who could have known? Who would have guessed that MUSK Not HODL??

Not bad eh? Borrrowed money, pump&dump BTC all the way, and then dump, and step back; rinse & repeat

Hell its the AMerican Way

Indeed the Gods Must be Crazy

I know, I know, your all going to say "Yawn", "Musk is just a whale, this is what Whales do"

Not really Musk is a HODL cheerleader, and its in your face "Do as I say, not as I do".

Well good for Musk, I was worried that TSLA would be holding the empty bag, and this loss would BK TSLA. So now we know TSLA made out like a bandit and the Bitcoin-HODL troops got screwed. All is 100% normal. Even GoldmanSacks couldn't ask for a better outcome.

99% value in USD lost since 1913, can you imagine if BTC had been pulled out of NakamotoSAtoshi's arse back then, how much it would be worth today? In inverse-USD

The interesting thing is that all FIAT on earth is also behaving the same, but now CHINA is pushing CBDC hard

Most crypto in USA is already 99% under GOV control, so what difference does it make, if BTC is evolving into FIAT 2.0

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Just like "GLD" or faux gold sold on the stock market.

The FED buys into BTC futures or BTC-ETFS and sets the price, just like the FED buys GLD which drives the price up or down. GLD is a fractional-reserver-system, they trade 100X more shares than GOLD they hold

BTC futures essentially do the same, and same for "BTC-ETFS" will play by the same game-scam as all the other ETF's, where they trade 100x or more virtual-shares than active

So say what about the orginal 21M bullshit story?? Well remember say BTC-ETF has 1K BTC coin's, but they trade 1M, that means if somebody sell's the BTC-ETF down say 20%, then the real BTC price will follow, even though the ETF only has a small fraction of actual BTC.

Some will say, "But that's OK, REAL-BTC on the block-chain will have more value, than the faux BTC on the stock market', rightly so, but IRS-COINBASE will handle this by black-listing or tainting BTC that is held outside of the SEC-CRYPTO sphere of Influence.

The 21M story don't mean shit if 21M ETF's are all offering 21M shares, and they can trade instantly, so all trading on 'virtual-btc' will take place on the NYSE; Just like GLD some 90% of all trading of GOLD is non-tangible, just paper trades. Same will evolve with BTC all trading and price discovery will be within the scope of the US-GOV

Sure a few people will dick around at 7 transaction/minute on mother BITCOIN, but it will become an ICON, but not where reality takes place.

The irony of course is like all the other NFT scams, now BTC-ETF&Futures are like virtual-virtual on virtual-crypto; In essence there are layer of bullshit so deep, just like housing MTG back in 2007; Everybody with his toilet paper will claim to own high-value addresses on the blockchain, another reason that proof, and registration of all addresses will forced to become public, if you don't comply by a given date worldwide that address becomes 'black-listed' goes on the CBDC world IMF NO-FLY-LIST, trial ran already by IRS-COINBASE

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 cryptocurrency’s most prominent rule-makers are increasingly taking executive gigs at industry upstarts. Call it the cryptocurrency revolving door.

Who's got the most power? Who makes the rules in the bitcoin biz?

The pumpers&dumpers here like to say all btc is equal, or everybody is on same level on the blockchain, ... but the fact is just a few people control the regulation of bitcoin

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cryptos-revolving-door-ushers-former-221233412.html



The gatekeepers, are now the cash-keepers. First they make the rules, and turn bitcoin from an alt-liberatarian coin, into an IRS-COIN, then they join the worst corporations on earth to manage slaves.

Bitcoin said it would make people rich, it didn't say who it would make rich.

It's the American way, so long as a few people are making money, screw everybody else.

What I'm saying by screwing, its screwing the notion of privacy, and/or anonymity; It's screwing the very reason bitcoin is/was said to have been created.

BITCOIN now is is actually subject to more regulation, review, and spying than USD-CASH

Only think missing to date is insurance, and forcing a company like IRS-COINBASE to pay stolen funds back to customers. Once they have setup up some kind of SEC crypto arbitrate then BITCOIN will be 100% US-GOV Minted & controlled.

How's this any different than the US-MIL, where people work for years, then retire join a defense company and make big bucks, steering their old MIL buddies on what toys to buy. Same now people rise up in the BTC community by spreading bullshit about "FREEDOM", then get into companys working directly with IRS, FBI, NSA so they can help put the 'hand-cuffs' on BTC.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/mx1lkd/never_forget_that_the_federal_reserve_secretly/

It's game-on for real now. FED is going to have $63k back in a few days, then to $ Its official now, Bitcoin is "Too Big to Fail"

FED buys BTC-ETF's & Bitcoin Futures

There is no down from now on, only up.

HODL on the Party begins Now.

Bitcoin is now a protected class on Wall Street.

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$350b loss in two weeks is unacceptable, $1Trillion USD rise in six months cannot be allowed to implode, the FED can  wlll inject Trillions of USD into Bitcoin, making it the power powerful currency on earth.

All aboard, everyone is going to get Rich, HODL or die in poverty.

Yes, that's how it works with BITCOIN, if somebody control +51% of the mining software, then they decide the consensus. The consensus decide which transactions go into the block-chain.

Now that you mention it, in China, when the CCP says "Jump" 1.4B do jump, or they perish, besides its a co-operative society unlike the USA where everybody is at each others throats.

Bitcoinista's think the entire free world is without freedom, that they must HODL on demand, as HRC says "What difference does it make"??

CCP owns the Miners, they own the software that run's on the miners, they own the HW that runs  the mining software. The CCP owns the mining-pools. When CCP issues a dictum you do or die, been this way 50+ years, many generations and nobody disputes the system, cuz its made everybody rich, funny just like BITCOIN so long as you make 'them rich', they'll follow you anywhere.

I can remember 40 years ago the streets of Shanghai were were of dirt, and all the eye could see is bicycles. Today world class subway, and the streets are clean and rather empty. During the same time not a nickel has been spent on infrastructure in the USA. In the US people defecate on the streets without a second thought, unheard of in ASIA.

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He didn't quit, the email trail says that one of his beta-testers had been called to the CIA for a meet-up, and that was the last ever heard of NakamotaSAtoshi.


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I understand that Musk is up there right doing a survey and its next crypto-meme, asteroid-coin, aka space-chain SPC; 'Beyond the Moon' is the meme

But honestly its more of the same 'Looking over there, tomorrow we'll have X', but what do we have today? Over-Priced virtual shit-coins(BTC), and versus 100K year old wealth;

Still nobody know nothing about "chinas" ownership and control of bitcoin? Odd? Utter silence, sort of like Wokism

HODL??

What happened to what is good for thee, is good for me?

Aren't we all told to HODL? Isn't the 1st commandment from 'lord NSA-Satoshi'?? It's on the tablet "Thou shall HODL"


Yet, here we have the first real BTC-ETF and you tell us they're selling? Selling BTC?? Unheard of

Sounds like BTC-ETF graybeard were the lucky pirates to sell out at the the ATH

How can they call themselves "BTC-ETF', if they don't 110% HODL forever?

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Isn't this  the big argument on whales, that they can make these huge moves, so say you had a whale, with a months worth of all mined BTC on earth, and just easy-peasy dumped at on the market as it wished, wouldn't it create enormous volatility, what if the same whale bought futures? and/or calls & puts? What if your were an insider and knew ahead? What if you were a front-runner and knew the king-whales next move? Remember soon we will have USA BITCOIN ETF's and then things will get super engineered, to take USD from 'weak-hands'


Seems like bitcoin scammers have taken common robbery to even higher levels.

Not a big deal? Say what? To sell Bitcoin, is to Hate Bitcoin; To hate bitcoin is to hate God
This is 'HATE' so say the pump&pump bots here 24/7

All know that these ETF's have a time-loss value, so say HODL this crap and you can only lose money, but the entire point of these 'vehicles' is so you can 'trade' without using a exchange, and they automatically collect taxes for the GOV.

Ya'll lose money, but at least it doesn't get stolen as like on an exchange. Here at least you can file a complaint with the SEC, unlike the exchange, you can't call anybody, well except that exchange that doesn't answer the phone.

The irony is if this fund actually believed in BTC, they would HODL, the fact that they sell out to 'clear' their fee's shows they prefer FIAT over Bullshit Cryptos. That they only play the Crypto game to recycle fools money. Churn on Garth, and remember the house keeps all.

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Surely your joking. Satoshi paper talks about it only working if more than 51% is on the same page ( consensus ),.e.g. running the same mining software, today CHINA-CCP controls +67% of mining ( block-chain/tranaction-approval), and produces 99% of ALL BTC ASIC HW on earth. China-CCP can re-deploy BTC anytime they wish, even if they haven't already.

Decentralized my Arse.


The real question is why did NSA allow CHINA to adopt their 'trojan horse' for virtual currency.

IMHO it all goes back to the simple fact that MAO&ROCKEFELLER were pals, MAO was financed by old rocky, and the BIS was the banker for MAO for his 1,000 miles march, old diarys of old JD-Rockefeller he says "Bringing Mao to power, was his greatest experiment of his life", see Rockefeller, then like GATES now, these Rich guys do crazy things with their money.

CHINA is to be the first CBDC digital-currency, all USA jobs were shipped to CHINA long ago, nobody has invested a nickel in USA for years, everything in CHINA new.

I seriously expect CHINA to redeploy the huge infrastructure of BTC in CHINA towards the CBDC-YUAN, they will because they can, and they just put the creator/owner Jack-ma in House-arrest and seized all his companys, ant, bitmain, alibaba, ...

The USA, the old penal-colony, what about it in this New World Order?,

They'll finish the wall an keep them locked inside. Most likely the FED will bail out Bitcoin, because its now too big to fail, and they'll probably rebrand it to CBDC-USA; It really doesn't matter, because its all going to be ran on Chinese HW, with CHINA as the owner

Look at it this way USA was bank-rupted in the civil war, and sold out to UK as debt note, DC is not part of USA, its British-Owned, just like CIA(OSS), just like BLM; UK will sell its interest in USA to China, China will gradually turn up the screws until all opposition in USA is dead, think Deagle-Report 90% reduction of USA population by 2025. Recall Deagle was Rockefeller chief long term planning manager in the 1950's J.C. Deagle.

The USA was bankrupted in 1907, and created the FED 1913 and run by UK, the USA was bankrupted during WW2, and sold out its gold ( why they confiscated ), and created NSA & National-Security State ( british management on USA soil ) and then the USA was bankrupted when they went off the Gold-Standard, post Vietnam War. Today the USA is a strawman with nukes, but no super-power fears USA, which is probably why CIA has appointed leaders like Biden or Trumpy to bark a lot, like a small dog.

Some of the above may be hard to swallow, because ignorance runs deep, but long ago, much of this stuff was common knowledge.

COVID, NewWorldOrder, Reset, Bitcoin; Its almost complete.

NakamotaSA, aka NSA  quit the day, his partner had a meeting at CIA. ( study the BITCOIN early emails, avail online ). IMHO once the CIA got involved, the NSA got out. As to why the early pristine coins have never been spent, its a matter of national security, if you actually spent those coins, they would track you down, if you were an insider they could put you to death, or imprison you in a box for life. Thats why the coins haven't been spent. But they have been spent slowly, these days lot of orginal public-keys have been crack a few years ago 2,000 remaining, today less than 900.

The real question is why so much talk about a guy that never existed, Is the mythology narrative failing??

Have an anonymous nobody is the perfect cover for an IMF-BIS project delivered by NSA (crypto) and when the CIA came it to get its cut, it was released into the wild.

You can't track down a person who never existed.

My guess if there was anyone it would be Hal Finney, but he's dead, but he's the only person in the chain, that actually had a brain between his shoulders publicly in the time-frame. IMHO the BTC source is/was a team effort of GOV contractors ( like many C++ folks say, the code is of low quality )

More to the point, SHA256 & SECP256k1 are NSA, why on earth would somebody pick NSA if their goal was to F*CK-YOU the USA-banks, so said the myth of the times. Then Secp256k1 is one of the most obscure an questionable ECC curves of all time published by the NSA. Only an insider in Certicom would even know about this stuff at the time. Backdoors to infinity.

In summary, TS-ELLIOT said it best long ago "Women come & go, speaking of Michaelangelo"

Why now, why so much BULLSHIT about mythology? My guess is they're concerned, concerned that BITCOIN is getting too big, and too many people are asking questions.

On the simplest level, as somebody who wrote cryptography software years ago, I would say the NSA released the code, because they wanted to know how long it would take the public to crack SHA256, and SECP256k1, now the NSA can crack them, but once its publicly cracked ( routinely, and easily, were not there yet), then they bring out new higher level, lots of corporations use SHA256, so they need to know when something is cracked. Since 1950s NSA has NEVER published commercially an algo, where they didn't have a back-door. Fact.

Another mysterious fact is the IMF-BIS white paper from 1997 called "HOW to make a digital bank", its 90% the same paper Satohsi released in 2009 yet Satoshi doesn't reference the BIS document, that is telling. BIS is bank of international-settlements the bank of all central banks worldwide, in Switzerland operating in secret since 1910's, just like FEDeral-REserveBank. A private club, and you all ain't in it.

Why did Satoshi original narrative say BITCOIN will destroy banks, or BITCOIN will make you free. Quite clever the BIS could only sell crypto, if it was anti-gov, but now that everybody gets rich, well the old story, all humans will sell their parents livers for cash. So now everybody gets rich, and the BIS-IMF reset the world with COVID, and crypto-currencys are accepted worldwide.

IMHO the outcome here is that BTC crashes, and the GOV brings forwards "SAFE CRYPTO", enjoy your permanent slavery.

Say another way, when DOGE hits $7.50, its capitalization, will be greater than BTC, chew on that.

When BItcoin falls to $1900, its capitalization, will be less that Doge today at 0.28

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More important is that BTC lost $350B USD in the last two weeks, BTC gained $1T in the past year, more that 50% of todays capitalization, came from last years COVID trillions in free and/or cheap(INT-FREE) money to corporations, like Musk they dumped billions into BTC

Said another way, not only did the US-GOV ignite hyperinflation, but the money was spent on whores&booze; If $1T evaporates who say's "Where did it go?" My bet is CHINA uses it to buy Real Gold.

Much of this money was loans, so now corporations will have real losses on the books, which effects the stock market, and investors.

I think the paper USD has bankrupted 3 times, since 1776, and the paper money has changed many times.

Try to cash a confederate Dollar?

It's paper-money, in all human history, average life span of 45 years.

GOV doen't ban, they just make worthless, since 1913 the USD is down 99% in purchasing power.

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Why care? Because our GOV doesn't represent the people, the GOV is owned by corporations, todays USA is fascism, if you allow the GOV to know what you have, somebody from some agency will come and steal what you have, the entire world operates this way

Hell the cop high-way robbers have name "civil asset forfeiture"

You withdraw big cash from bank, drive home, cop stops you takes your cash, you never see it again, cops get to spend all at xmas party.

The person who knows the private-key for a high-value address is the owner, your last statement shows you need to own & learn about crypto.

The sad thing is most people who buy crypto, don't know that if they don't hold the private key, they don't own it, and IRS-COINBASE prefers to give you an address, and same for nicehash, and all the other scammers runnng the system

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I can only think of unstable country's like Venezuela with hyper-inflation, and there not being an easy cheap way to hold gold. Just like in USA

In ASIA there are gold shops on every corner, every household owns gold, China tinkered with paper money 2,000 years ago and learned it can become worthless overnight, every child in ASIA is taught this, the gov encourages people to own gold.

In the west GOV discourages gold ownership, because the GOV sees citizens as debt-slaves and the corporations want debt-slaves, not free men.

So in a crisis there is no easy way to protect cash, because there is no gold to trade, only worthless paper, this is what happened in Weimar Germany  1918-1921

Much of the selling point of crypto in the west is 'virtual gold', the fools don't realize it can be gone in the morning, sold in ASIA the night before, cashed out for gold.

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Not sure DOGE is really a 'meme' maybe Musk marketed as such through his venue and personality.
But Doge goes back 8 years, back in the day when only a few 100 were cloning btc source, today its 9,000, and said to now double yearly; DOGE is really interest having no limit. BTC likes to boast about 21M but that is really bullshit, we're talking about software here, the CCP controls the miners, what SW they running, it would take minutes to bump up the MAX on BTC, and given there are 100's of BTC clones, its not like there really is a limit. So DOGE did a smart thing, they have no limit, counter-intuitive, but allows the price to stay low forever while they take the worlds CAPATILIZATION. Brilliant.

DOGE was clearly well thought out, and surprisingly, even though its risen 450% the past month, it seems to have the nodes to support transactions, albeit I have heard the fee is now $1, note trading at 0.28

The alt-coin is already here, during  this time BITCOIN went down -25% April 11->April 25, most of the alt-privacy coins saw +25%/day, Horizen has sky-rocketed a zSnark coin with real privacy, and 10's of 1,000's of full-nodes that are actually paid to host a node, why can't btc do this?

BTC is now a dinosaur; BTC-CORE has refused to address 1,000's of complaints, and day of reckoning is upon us. Crypto is not dead, its just evolving.

BTC had every chance to create BTC2.0, but they failed, they failed because they became obsessed with 'get rich quick' and GOV compliance, an begat an over priced shit coin with no future.

ETH has also held, you all know that ETH is now back to the ATH, while BTC is still down -20%

Reality is a bitch, when you live in a virtual fantasy world.


Any REAL PRIVACY COIN of MONERO level security well do fine in the future, if BTC doesn't embrace real privacy, they're dead.

Just give people the option, like Zcash does you have a choice to be public, or private on your transaction, but BTC doesn't give a choice, because they sold out to US-GOV

NO its NOT.

If you hide your gold, I can never find it.

If I know anything about you, from social-engineering, I can determine your private-key, and sweep your funds.

BITCOIN is not fungible, there are 3 flavors of BTC addresses - virgin mined, pristine, and mixed; Coinbase will not accept mixed, most BTC today has been mixed. Please stop the talking points, its boring. BTC is not fungible, why do you even bother bringing this up?

There is nothing REAL about a number on a computer.

BTC is a 'pet rock' on a computer, price discovery is based on bullshit, up/down, greed/fear.

Gold is liquid, can be sold anywhere on earth, anytime. BTC requires fools, fools with money which is rare, as most people on the planet are poor.

In China if your BTC address is on a black-list, then expect 20% par from black-market. If in USA your address is on a COINBASE black-list, or tainted expect to have to sell it on the black-market for penny's on the dollar.

The entire scam of BTC by GOV is in the future all addresses have to have KYC association, otherwise black-listed, worldwide this is coming.

CHINA controls BTC, they don't want  their people moving yuan outside of China, USA has same problem, but USA already has IRS-COINBASE to be their policeman.

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I don't think so, just getting these people to admit that CHINA the CCP now controls BITCOIN is a miracle of god.

Nobody is comparing the king of shit-coins(BTC) to gold; What we're comparing is physical-gold  in the hand, to this thing you call BTC, where the block-chain addresses/transactions are determined by Chinese Consensus Rules.

Like this thread, from the first response, they go on to talk about "GLD", paper-gold, or computer gold, its like people can't step back from 'virtual reality', he it ain't real to begin with, so don't try to virtualize 'gold', you either got it in your hand or you don't

BTC is the ultimate shit, because all are told to HODL and not sell, so real price discovery has so far never really been allowed to happen.

Millenials are going for DOGE these days, get with the program.

Savvy Tech's were sold a pile of bile in 2009, about privacy, anonymity, and 'make your own bank', today all know that BITCOIN is US-GOV 100%, that's why BTC is down, and real alt-privacy coins are skyrocketing.


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I suggest that you not respond like a bot with non-contextual generality, I suggest you respond to the premise; That weak minded men running btc-core, have sold out to the ptb to get rick quick.

I didn't say "Bitcoin Dead" I said the bitcoin team Evangelism/Marketing sold us out to IRS, FBI, IMF, in exchange for some USD fiat, something that they claimed in 2009 to hate.

They killed Bitcoin, by making it into just another virtual-gimmick found on the stock-market like "GLD" that doesn't even represent real gold, as they trade 100X their holdings.

Now BTC is represented by futures, and ETF's so it to will have its price-discovery made by Wall-Street, but you will all agree this is a good thing, cuz it makes you all rich.

I'm just saying this "Sell Out" is the death of the BITCOIN Satoshi Mythology. Compeche?

Read the book "When Money Fails", history of Wiemar Germany 1918-1921

When money fails, so does everything including electricity, phone, and internet

Don't kid yourself, your mobile-phone will be worthless

There is a reason survivors say "Beans, bullets, & gold"

People here think that during hyper-inflation, when people carry a wheel-barrow of money to buy a loaf of bread, that everything else will run, the reason they used a wheel barrow, is that nobody had gas. When nobody can make payroll, everything comes to a halt.

If you honestly think this is the future, then get the hell out of the USA today, go to Singapore, or Switzerland where the internet will still be running.

Original 2009 had lofty promises

Cheap, private, be you own bank, F*ck U to the FED-BIS-IMF....

Now 2021 IRS-Coinbase rules Bitcoin-org

Most people have sold out any promise of freedom in exchange for US-GOV control 100% of btc

Nobody talks about the fact that all mining/consensus is done in China

Now they have dropped the myth of privacy, and promise you pseudo-privacy, sort of like virtual-pregnancy

Damn sure, bitcoin was not created to make you rich, but today 99% that's the only reason they're here, get rich quick.

Post 2014 BTC has attracted the worst scammers, criminals, robbers, con-artists on earth, why not they can steal legally, as nobody who loses their money can go to the police

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Past two weeks BTC has entered a free-fall, down -25%(-47k), now at -20% ( $53k); all the while alt-privacy coins have continued to sky-rocket,

A month ago $1k in DOGE would be $50k today, $1k in BTC would be $800 today; If they're only here for money, how long do you think the 99% will stay??

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Lastly BIS-IMF created BTC whitepaper 1997, BTC is SHA256, and Secp256k1 two NSA algo's; BTC is NSA 100%

Well this ebay link doesn't exist, if you could find a rtx-3090 in todays market for a real non-used card, it would be $10k, maybe more, you must wait for price to drop back down below $1k

I run this RTX at about 120watts, above that the heat goes above 72C, and I don't run my cards hot ( kills them ), maybe see about 100MHS, that's a  whopping ETH $10/day on $2/day power, payback at today price, longer than the life of the card.

Like the people here say, I would do a 1200W gold power supply, and each have 4 cards;

U really need to propose your budget, rather than your wishlist. Then people would tell you what you could buy in todays market, rather than what you would like to have

Most mobo's only support six gpu's, is a limitation in linux; mobos are cheap; also if you use 8 gpu racks, you can space out your cards so they can ventilate

In the winter no problem, run at 180W, turn up the clock, if you are intending to run at 300W, do you have central air-con, or are you in the north-pole?

Have you actually done this before? GPU mine?

Why not start with a single GTX-1060 6gb, and learn, and then scale up and see what actually works.

If you haven't mined before, understand that you must take everything apart every 3 months and clean the cards down to the raw boards, I don't care where you operate they collect dust&goo, and in time they short themselves out, unless cleaned. Which why you don't want 18 cards on a dense rack, maintenance is impossible, wiring nightmare, beyond the problem that it will not work.

Like the guys here say, with 3 rigs when you working on one card, you still would have 12 running, with your strategy having a problem with once card and your out of biz. But like I said, these cards are so damn expensive, and everything else is so cheap, I would do 4 cards per rig, and space them cards out for cooling.

IMHO this post is BS, as the RTX-3090's in new condition are not available anywhere on earth.

I run RTX-3070's rigs, got them cheap last year, see about 51MHS, I run six cards per rig, and keep them cool right now, I limit to 115 watts. Like I said above 72c ontinuous the cards always die, I'm seeing about 310MHS, but they run cool and strong. I clean them every six months, which means complete disassembly, and cleaning, and new thermal grease.

I even run air-purifiers in my mining rooms, and I still see about 10% death rate of cards annually, most are newer cards. Better have a solder re-work station on on-hand small caps and voltage-regulators like to pop, when the cards get about 74C.

Expensive hobby, only argument is your not buying crypto from an exchange your mining your own 100% privacy, other than that total waste of time & money. Think about heat dissapation in the summer, 18 rtx-3090's at 300W, that's enough power to run an industrial over to melt gold. Where in the hell are you going to dissipate all that heat? Air-Con?

Let's see, your cards will cost you $180k, have you really thought about how many decades your ROI will be??

I think most people that own cards already are on hold, until the prices come back to earth, now its appearing to be years, which means these RTX-3090's will even become more expensive.

Lastly, if you can't repair your cards, you really shouldn't buy them.

Yes, like the guy here say's the future of ETH mining is going to be over before the GPUS become available.

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On a side note, RTX-3070's can hack 2500M/keys/sec, running with a 64gb bloom-filter of 300M addresses, I can do 100T/keys/sec on each card, so my RTX rigs actually hack bitcoin, better than minning ETH, but this is just an example of how these RTX cards can be re-deployed in the future post ETH mining; The payback is one high-value address per card 1,000 days, on paper, but they do better.

The probelm with all GPU mining is that the CHINESE have boxes now that kill these cards, they have ASIC's with 10gb that can attack any crypto-algo on the planet; This is what happened to EQUI-HASH mining it was killed by Chinese mining boxes, and soon Eth will be toast, E-15, Z-15, ...

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These last two are the jokes to end all jokes, now I know this post is 100% bull.

Nobody runs windows

Nicehash, are you joking, they don't even let you mine to your own private key, they keep your mining winnings in their address, and they let you spend your money at their company store, nicehash is the biggest ripoff on the crypto planet.

Now I know for a fact you have never mined anything.

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