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3001  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: June 01, 2020, 05:16:41 PM
Police in the majority of cities are not arresting rioters, except in the most egregious cases, and this is not even happening all the time.

Over 4,000 arrests have been made as of last night:
https://apnews.com/55933b8695e36337a6bfe96728b3e7f3

There's plenty of footage showing that many of the arrests were peaceful and made for violating the curfew or having an unlawful assembly.  The cops get loud speakers and say 'if you don't leave right now, you will be arrested', people don't leave and when it's their turn they cooperate and are booked into jail or processed and released with a court date.  I can't find any numbers showing how many arrests were for crimes other than curfew violation/unlawful assembly, but I would guess it's the majority of total arrests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADPqJ8LPd68
https://abc7.com/more-than-900-arrested-after-looting-fires-sweep-socal-amid-protests/6224201/


If you look at who is defending who and whose statements have been debunked, you should get an idea as to what is true. On the left, politicians are directing police to not arrest rioters and are in some cases defending them. They are being called out for what they are on the right.
I'm trying to find a politician that is calling police to not arrest rioters, but can't.  I'm seeing lots of statements condemning violence and looting while also supporting peaceful protests and condemning all the footage of police abusing their power during protests.

Just like there are some protesters taking advantage of the situation and doing things that normally would be impossible to get away with, the same is true for police.  Both should be condemned and neither should be used as evidence of the way all cops and protesters are behaving.

In Minnesota, elected officials had said that over 80% of rioters were from out of town and that White supremacy groups are instigating the riots, however arrest records show that most arrested are not from out of the state.
I assume you're referring to the governor, who made it pretty clear he couldn't confirm it and his suspicion was based on national reports.  He also walked back his estimate that 80% being out of state when the arrest data came out.[/quote]


There are also many on the left that are donating money to those arrested to post bail, and again, most rioters are not getting arrested, let alone protestors. To me, money speaks louder than words, if White suppremists were out there rioting, those on the left would not be defending the riots, and they would not be giving money to get them out of jail.
Most are not being arrested, yes.  But thousands are and many are basically volunteering to be arrested for violating curfew.

Here's a good article on the Minnesota freedom fund which seems to have collected the most money over the past few days: https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/29/21274665/minneapolis-protests-minnesota-freedom-fund-twitter-bail

Also, to prove a point about the funding of Antifa, there are videos of people going to piles of bricks in the middle of cities. How would a pile of random bricks get to the middle of a street?  Here is an example
https://mobile.twitter.com/fleccas/status/1267326702771793920
Very well could be antifa.  Wouldn't be surprised if the Bricks belonged to the owner of the closest building which had scaffolding up either.



tldr; Most cops are good, but the few who aren't will get the most attention.  Most of the protesters are good people, but the few who aren't will get the most attention.  The problem is that the peaceful protests going on are boring...except this one, so most of the attention is just going towards the bad causing outrage.
3002  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: June 01, 2020, 08:02:34 AM

There is pretty strong evidence that extremist groups are involved in the riots.
It's not a question of whether or not they're involved.  They are.  It's a question of how involved they are.  Naturally Trump would like the as many Americans as possible, and also the world to believe that the protests were instigated by a small group of radical extremists that hate America and are not in any way evidence of any serious, big picture underlying issue that America will need to face.  Basically he's saying 'nothing to see here - the people protesting are the enemy of the country and I will make sure they get what they deserve'.
3003  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: June 01, 2020, 07:36:07 AM

Interesting.  The threat of aggressive prosecution seems like it would be the most effective way to reduce crime.  From what I can tell antifa is more of a movement than any sort of organization though. No real structure or evidence that they are well funded.  My guess is they just organize themselves online and agree when and where to show up ready to create chaos.  

Even if they were an organization, wouldn't it be unconstitutional to make it a crime to 'support' them as  in: wear an Antifa t-shirt or hold an antifa sign at a protest?  You'd have to actually give them money or train them to do something illegal...which is already illegal (something like aiding and abetting).  Just making it illegal to protest or show support would be....facism...right?

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Here is the statutory definition of the types of support that would be prohibited if anifta was designed a terrorist organization. The punishment for providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization faces 20 years in prison, or a life sentence if their support can be attributed to the death of someone.

I don't think wearing an antifa tea shirt would qualify, however, I also don't think antifa has tea shirts, as from what I have heard on news reports, and read on news reports, they like to keep their identities secret, and use violence to prevent anyone from filing them. My understanding is they primarily engage in violence and intimidation of citizens. I also understand they have operated in Washington state for quite some time with impunity, in broad daylight. This implies they have some politicians in their pockets who are preventing them from being prosecuted.

You are not able to have riots in many cities across the US all starting on the same day (Friday) without funding. Airline prices (and hotel) are low right now, so the cost of getting professional protestors into place may be cheaper than it would normally be. I have heard on the news that police have found numerous cars with "stashes" of rioting supplies that rioters were going to in order to cause damage in multiple cities. This implies they are fairly well funded.

I also know there are some "freedom funds" that are being used to bail out people who are arrested. This may also fall under the above-referenced definition of "support".

There's lots of money being raised to bail people out of jail.  But don't assume that the people raising it, or the people donating support antifa or are encouraging violence though.  Many people are being peacefully arrested minutes after curfew as an act of civil disobedience, paying their bail is one way to show them support.  

In general I think now more than ever is a time to be skeptical of anymedia report or political statement.  We're witnessing a propaganda battle from both sides that's in many way similar to what happened in New England during the late 1760s.  Protests, riots, and civil disobedience, followed by both sides spreading as much propaganda as possible about the events to make the other side look as evil as possible with little regard for the truth.  All that matters is you convince as many people as possible that whichever side you're on behaved honorably and the other side were horrible villains.

I don't mean to imply that the current 'left' or 'right' are the same as either the loyalists or patriots.  I'm not really confident in any of my assumptions on what's actually happening - just hoping this is all over soon.  It's sad to watch.
3004  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: June 01, 2020, 04:32:05 AM
What exactly does this do, other than allow people to say 'they are terrorists, the president made it official'?
Will members of Antifa all still have the same constitutional rights as everyone else?  Will the FBI be able to investigate them in a way they couldn't previously?

This depends on if Trump is designating them a foreign terrorist organization or a domestic terrorist organization.

The qualifying factor appears to be that ANTIFA is a "foreign organization". It is unclear based on my initial research what the definition of a "foreign organization" is.

If they are designated a domestic terrorist organization, the designation appears to be largely symbolic. It would probably get some people to think twice before giving money, or other support to Antifa. It is also a signal to Antifa members that the feds are watching and are going to be bringing charges against Antifa members who engage in terrorism, which hopefully will get them to think twice before continuing to engage in terrorism. Antifa often operates in very liberal cities where law enforcement policies effectively allow them to wreak havoc without consequence. Bill Bar said anyone who crosses state lines, or uses the interstate system to commit a crime is committing a federal crime, which means that anyone using interstates to travel or purchase supplies could be charged with a federal crime. He may also extend the theory for people who use the internet to communicate to commit a crime, or the banking system to purchase supplies to commit a crime. I think both of these may or may not hold up in court, but they have the potential to scare people out of continuing to engage in terrorism.

Classifying Antifa as a foreign terrorist organization would have serious, real consequences. Their assets would be frozen, and anyone giving them support would be committing a serious crime.

I would not be surprised if Antifa is receiving money from foreign governments, and foreign people. It is also likely that Antifa's messages are being amplified by foreign governments on social media. I am not sure if either of these would be sufficient to classify Anifta as a "foreign terrorist organization", or if it would hold up in court. If they are classified as a foreign terrorist organization, I suspect a handful of members of congress and some in the liberal media will likely end facing charges.
Interesting.  The threat of aggressive prosecution seems like it would be the most effective way to reduce crime.  From what I can tell antifa is more of a movement than any sort of organization though. No real structure or evidence that they are well funded.  My guess is they just organize themselves online and agree when and where to show up ready to create chaos.  

Even if they were an organization, wouldn't it be unconstitutional to make it a crime to 'support' them as  in: wear an Antifa t-shirt or hold an antifa sign at a protest?  You'd have to actually give them money or train them to do something illegal...which is already illegal (something like aiding and abetting).  Just making it illegal to protest or show support would be....facism...right?

For the record, fuck them.  I don't want anyone to confuse my questioning of what can be done to stop them with empathy for this particular group.  Their way of doing things is only damaging the values they claim to be fighting for.  I'm also not convinced that they are 'behind' these protests.  I could be wrong, but I think it's more likely that they are a relatively small group that is basically hijacking the protests.  I'm not on the ground, and never will be, but I am physically very close to some of the protests that have been making headlines.  From what I've heard the overwhelming majority of protesters are not looking to cause violence or destruction.  Pushing the whole 'these protests are left wing extremists' narrative is very dangerous to do if it's not true.  It will only silence and scape goat the non-leftwing-extremists that are protesting.

Pointing a bow and arrow is not something that would justify beating the man. Self-defense is limited to removing the threat of harm, which was about 2 seconds after he was first hit by the mob. Setting his car on fire was completely unjustified under any circumstances.

After ~20 seconds he got tackled by a bunch of people.  They beat the shit out him, flipped his car and set it on fire.

He may have deserved some beating (or rather restraining) depending on the circumstances - it's hard to tell from the choppy videos how real his threat was or what provoked it. Certainly didn't deserve a skateboard to the head though. Certainly didn't deserve his car torched even if it's a Dodge Caliber. It looks like people lose all sense of perspective or restraint when there's more that a few in one place. Knock him out, take away his bow, anything beyond that is just savagery.

Agree with you both.  The guy didn't deserve anything more than a hard tackle.  Maybe throw his arrows into a river or something.



Again, you don't know what happened before the camera started rolling.
His face when the camera started rolling:


His face after the attack:


3005  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you don't like something the solution is more regulation on: June 01, 2020, 12:26:25 AM
This EO is a political stunt, but say Trump gets re elected and finds a way to navigate or circumvent the courts and gain the power to actually control social media sites on his own without any actual legislation...

Do you really have such little faith in the system?  POTUS has no authority to create laws, and certainly none to circumvent the courts.  
I still have faith.  Just not as much as I used to.
3006  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: May 31, 2020, 11:57:57 PM
From what I understand, he yelled "all lives matter" out his car window, he was surrounded, beaten, then he took out the bow and aimed it at people but did not shoot it. His car was then flipped over and burned. There is a ton of misinformation floating around, don't fall for the rage bait.


Here are 2 videos from different angles (graphic):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yImHy8-pkns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM46N1sbyF4

He said in an interview ‘First, I got beat up when I yelled “All Lives Matter”', "Then I pulled out weapons and I got beat up some more." But it seems like he didn't get beat up until about 20 sec after he pulled out his hunting bow and aimed it a bunch of people while yelling 'all lives matter'.

I'm not sure what provoked him to get out of his car - my best guess is his car got hit by bottle or rock or something.
He seemed fine when he got out of his car and started aiming at several different people.  It looked like he was about to shoot each time - but he didn't:

After ~20 seconds he got tackled by a bunch of people.  They beat the shit out him, flipped his car and set it on fire.

I'm pretty sure these are both pictures of his car:


He did an interview with a local news outlet right after: https://twitter.com/justin_golight/status/1266932928623321090?s=20
3007  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: May 31, 2020, 11:40:14 PM
What exactly does this do, other than allow people to say 'they are terrorists, the president made it official'?
Will members of Antifa all still have the same constitutional rights as everyone else?  Will the FBI be able to investigate them in a way they couldn't previously?


3008  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: May 31, 2020, 05:11:24 PM
Just exactly how will both the incumbent (Trump) and his challenger (Biden) manage to utilise these recent troubles in Minnesota to their advantage? Things related to riots after the death of the Minnesota citizen at the hands of their police department have spread way beyond the initial area and now across the country but how will the propaganda merchants hired by both the GOP and the Democratic machinery manipulate and present it to the masses?
Biden:
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I know that there are people all across this country who are suffering tonight. Suffering the loss of a loved one to intolerable circumstances, like the Floyd family, or to the virus that is still gripping our nation. Suffering economic hardships, whether due to COVID-19 or entrenched inequalities in our system. And I know that a grief that dark and deep may at times feel too heavy to bear.

I know.

And I also know that the only way to bear it is to turn all that anguish to purpose. So tonight, I ask all of America to join me — not in denying our pain or covering it over — but using it to compel our nation across this turbulent threshold into the next phase of progress, inclusion, and opportunity for our great democracy.

We are a nation in pain, but we must not allow this pain to destroy us. We are a nation enraged, but we cannot allow our rage to consume us. We are a nation exhausted, but we will not allow our exhaustion to defeat us.
https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/we-are-a-nation-furious-at-injustice-9dcffd81978f



Trump:
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The professionally managed so-called “protesters” at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd. They were just there to cause trouble. The @SecretService handled them easily. Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???
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...These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/
3009  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: May 31, 2020, 04:36:35 AM
someone is doing something to harm the US, and in turn, harm Trump's election prospects

Either that, or Trump is capable only of inflaming crises, not solving them. We'll never know for sure.

The best narrative for Trump to push right now is to convince people that these protestors are secretly being funded left wing extremists and the whole racism thing is just a ruse.

There will be tons of examples of people with signs for things like Antifa or the Communist Party of America jumping in on the riots - all he has to do is point to these instances and claim that they are proof that all the protestors are either extremists or being funded by extremists.

Same thing happens when the Proud Boys, David Duke(KKK) or some other alt right group show up to chant at a protest full of people who support Trump.
3010  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you don't like something the solution is more regulation on: May 31, 2020, 04:26:12 AM
You want to define what facts are, now you want to define what conservatives are too eh?
Sure.  People who believe in a smaller government, fewer regulations, lower taxes, looser gun laws, stricter immigration laws, pro-life and eliminating federal debt.

From what I've experienced personally, compared to Liberals (I mean the American definition of Liberals) Conservatives have a lower tolerance for risk, are more pragmatic, more likely to have a traditional family, better at managing their finances and holding a steady job long term, more likely to be religious, less likely to have a high level of education. less likely to empathize with people from different cultures, and less open to new ideas and change.

I consider myself a Democrat but there are plenty of Republicans that I would vote for over plenty of Democrats.  Honestly I feel like general Republican characteristics make for a better president.  For example I disagree with many of Ben Sasse's votes - but the guy is so sharp, articulate and pragmatic that if he ran there's a decent chance I'd vote for him over any Democrat.  Would never vote for him to be my Senator though.
3011  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you don't like something the solution is more regulation on: May 31, 2020, 12:06:07 AM
I think some sort of regulations are inevitable.  I'm not sure what it will look like, but I think it would have to be a long process and include some sort of agreement with many other countries.  

This EO is a political stunt, but say Trump gets re elected and finds a way to navigate or circumvent the courts and gain the power to actually control social media sites on his own without any actual legislation, why wouldn't they just relocate to another country?  If that happened, then what?  I guess they could sanction them?  The great MAGA firewall?



Actual Conservatives^^
3012  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you don't like something the solution is more regulation on: May 30, 2020, 08:19:20 PM
Poor guy had his constitutional rights violated for 7 days.






3013  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you don't like something the solution is more regulation on: May 30, 2020, 06:24:14 AM
They should be state actors, that's the whole point, right everybody?

On what basis should they be state actors when they are a private company? They aren't a public utility and the only argument you could make for Twitter regulation is that it's a forum open to the public, but not a public forum, that alters discourse. Even then, you're talking about stepping on a private companies toes for the reason of wanting to shift a platform to benefit your political party.

Twitter is  disrespecting (questioning) our dear leader.  That is never ok. /s
3014  Other / Meta / Re: Post Reporting Being Used As A Form Of Censorship on: May 30, 2020, 05:57:13 AM
you suck all the right dicks.

Now that right there is an assumption.
3015  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you don't like something the solution is more regulation on: May 30, 2020, 05:45:20 AM
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Going to respond to this - don't have time now.



These companies are illegal monopolies
What you are describing is a 'free market'.
A 'monopoly' is when one (1) company dominates an industry and prevents any sort of competition - not when when more than one company does something similar...even if you'd prefer they did it differently.

3016  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you don't like something the solution is more regulation on: May 29, 2020, 05:28:50 AM
Social media companies, including Twitter have special protection from libel lawsuits under the law. Twitter's business model is based entirely on this special protection. I don't see why a company engaging in such blatant political activism should get special treatment under the law that is worth billions.

Case in point, yesterday, Mark Zuckerburg was interviewed on Fox News and said he didn't believe private companies should be arbiters of truth, and not long after "delete facebook" and other hashtags that reflect negatively on Facebook were trending on Twitter. I don't think Zuckerburg's position is radical enough that anyone would react by wanting to delete their Facebook account. I think more likely, someone at twitter put their thumb on the scale to make those hashtags trend. This is probably a good example as to why Twitter is a publisher.

The above special protection was intended to allow platforms to serve as a neutral place for people to voice their opinions, but Twitter especially is far from neutral.

Ignoring the executive order, what Twitter did was reckless, and was a major blow to its credibility as a platform. Tech companies in social media have been very profitable in recent years, with the exception of Twitter. Twitter has been focused on "orange man bad" and has been distracted from making money.

Are you ok with twitter fact checking the Chinese government?  Or Trump blaming twitter for not deleting their tweets about the corona virus earlier?



I think I'm ok with them fact checking anyone that they decide to bend the rules on.  If Trump were treated as a normal Twitter user, he would've been banned long ago for threats of violence.  And probably for the Joe Scarborough killed his staffer bc he got her pregnant thing.

But I wish they would be consistent.


It is very difficult to catch specific cases of voter fraud because the standard is so low to vote in many areas (often you only need to state your name/address, which is public in voter registration rolls), and there is very little if any trace that fraud occurred after the fact. Often the only reason someone is convicted of voter fraud is they blabbed about what they did and were convicted based on their statements. Sometimes prosecutors will use voter records to confirm the statements are true, but someone looking at voter records alone would not produce evidence the person engaged in voter fraud.

You're right, I've never had to do anything other than give my name, address and a signature.
But it's even harder to prove that there is not wide spread election fraud.
1200 convictions over 30 years seems extremely low and basically irrelevant.

Trump claims as fact that 3-5 million votes were cast illegally in 2016 and they were all for Hillary.  That's a lie.
He claims as fact that the governor of CA is sending ballots to "anyone living in the state, no matter who they are or how they got there", that's not true.


3017  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you don't like something the solution is more regulation on: May 29, 2020, 04:21:34 AM
Ironically the fact check that twitter applied to Trumps post is wrong according to the Texas Attorney General:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/texas-ag-ken-paxton-trump-is-right-and-twitter-is-wrong-is-saying-mail-in-ballot-fraud-is-a-real-problem

So, should twitter charged with libel in this situation?  Obviously what they did was misleading and false.  



The Attorney General of Texas gave 3 main reasons on why he disagreed with Twitter regarding voter fraud and mail in ballots:

1)
In 2007 he heard a democratic lawmaker say during a debate:
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Vote by mail, that we know, is the greatest source of voter fraud in this state. In fact, all of the prosecutions by the attorney general – I shouldn’t say all, but a great majority of the prosecutions by the attorney general occur with respect to vote by mail.

The AG went on to claim:
2)
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These instances are just the tip of the iceberg. Mail ballot fraud has been documented across the country. In fact, the Heritage Foundation has helpfully assembled a searchable database of over 1,000 instances of election fraud resulting in some form of plea, penalty or judicial finding.

3)
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As the official now charged with prosecuting election fraud in Texas, I can say unequivocally that the legislator was right: going back more than a decade and continuing through the present day, around two-thirds of election fraud offenses prosecuted by my office have involved some form of mail-ballot fraud.
These prosecutions include instances of forgery and falsification of ballots.



1) Hearing someone else make a claim 13 years ago during a debate is not evidence of anything.  Even if it were, he didn't mention who said it, or on what date it was said.
And the Heritage Foundation has a database of over 1,000 voter fraud convictions.


2) Here's the database he's referring to: https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
There are 1,285 proven instances of proven voter fraud.  This is every conviction the foundation could find going back over 30 years.
If you click 'all data', you can filter by type of fraud: https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=All&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=24489

Absentee ballot fraud accounts for ~210 of the 1250 convictions.

3) According to the heritage database that he just mentioned, Texas has had 90 voter fraud based convictions.  35 of them are for fraudulent use of absentee ballots. This is far less than the 'around two-thirds' that he claimed.

I rule that the Texas AG's claim on voter fraud is:


3018  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you don't like something the solution is more regulation on: May 29, 2020, 01:59:09 AM
He could also have a rally, a press conference, he could write a book, address the nation from the oval office, he's got the State of the Union every year, he could pick whoever he wanted and give them an exclusive interview, he could write an op-ed, he could post on his campaign website, he could make a new website, he could create his own social network, he could make his own cable network (isn't that the plan?)  Should I go on?

I am sure you will regardless of the facts of the matter. You will note all of your examples are the equivalent of yelling out of a window in the middle of the night, while the platforms claiming to be for public use are broadcast into nearly every home globally onto multiple devices all day every day. They are not at all comparable.
Yeah.  They are comparable.  Few people in the world have a platform comparable to the President of America.  Just being the president is a platform.  If you don't like how Jack Dorsey runs the app that he literally built from scratch....go build your own or become a majority share holder?

You smug disingenuous cunts have no idea what you are doing. You think this serves you, but there is going to come a day when this machinery is turned upon you too, and then it will be too fucking late to do anything about it. It is too bad you all are too stupid to recognize a trap when you see one. Enjoy your cheese before you get your neck snapped.

Hey we're just having a discussion.  No need to get all worked up like that.
3019  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you don't like something the solution is more regulation on: May 29, 2020, 01:37:33 AM
Publishers don't enjoy that protection.

They're not publishing anything. If Trump doesn't like how his tweets are presented next to a fact check or whatever the latest tantrum is about (doesn't seem that any if his "speech" was removed or modified) then he can surely use Facebook where he claims he's #1.

What was it a while back you guys were arguing was a FEC violation by Trump? Because he paid off some stripper to shut up out of his own money?

You want to claim that is a FEC violation, but not the millions of dollars of in kind donations of promoting liberal candidates and silencing conservatives on social networks? How much do you think that is worth in advertising dollars? I mean, after all Russia spending like $3000 on Facefuck ads was supposed to be a big deal, but not this election interference right? Really, you people brought this on yourselves. We have been telling you for a long time this has been happening and you pretended it wasn't real because you thought the ends justified the means. Well here are the ends. Hope it was worth it.

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What about the billions of dollars of in-kind media time Trump gets with his rallies and press briefings and other stuff. But more importantly, what about the topic of this thread, namely the attempt of the government to tell businesses to broadcast government propaganda and to do it in a certain way (e.g. no fact checking).

Flyers and a bullhorn on Pennsylvania Avenue?

If he's so inclined, but there is also whitehouse.gov, which is accessible to anyone just as Twitter is.

I see, so election interference is ok, as long as it benefits who you want it to benefit, is that it? What could go wrong? Yeah, right because how many people read whitehouse.gov?

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/whitehouse.gov current rank #3,290

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/twitter.com #48

Totally comparable! Of course you would love it if you could force your opponents to be relegated to carrier pigeon while you use fiber optic cables. These services are clearly operating not as public forums, but as publishers by selectively removing and silencing political opposition, and providing millions of dollars worth of unreported in kinds donations. This is not acceptable regardless how much you lie to pretend none of this is happening.

He could also have a rally, a press conference, he could write a book, address the nation from the oval office, he's got the State of the Union every year, he could pick whoever he wanted and give them an exclusive interview, he could write an op-ed, he could post on his campaign website, he could make a new website, he could create his own social network, he could make his own cable network (isn't that the plan?)  Should I go on?

How about instead of doing a google search to prove whatever argument you're trying to win, and then posting the first 10 results with headlines you like (which are *pretty much* always just media links), do a google search for the opposite - and then actually read more than the headlines - and be open minded.
3020  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you don't like something the solution is more regulation on: May 29, 2020, 12:57:23 AM



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