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3081  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi IP address on: July 30, 2019, 09:07:06 PM
The admins at Bitcointalk should have several IP addresses from Satoshi,because the IPs are saved in the logs. They are in the Database somewhere!
Why not revealing them?

According to Theymos, Satoshi only ever used Tor to access bitcointalk.org - logs do exist, although they have yet to be made public.

Source / Reference ...

...snip...

I found a source as follows but theymos might have changed his mind..

I'll probably release Satoshi's PMs and logged IPs addresses in ~8 years. This'd probably be of great historical interest. (Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.)

All you are going to get is IPs from old tor exit nodes. The whole point of using TOR is so that people can't get your IP to begin with...

Which reminds me, was there ever access to this forum as a hidden service .onion address?
3082  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Poloniex's taking money from its customers to cover its loss on: July 30, 2019, 04:12:17 PM
I put some BTC into lending there in June but it was way past the 6th. By July everything was moved out, it got some gains, but everything went normal. I didn't knew anything like this was happening, and its quite unprofessional of theirs when its clearly their fault for messing with clam.

If i understand correctly you were taken 16% of your total BTC lending amount and from that only 10% was returned back? And you already gave up and turned to litigation?

I though no American could lend anything there after last December, and i did saw an American account this year distinctly missing the lending tab.


In the meantime, what better alternatives are there for lending bitcoin?
3083  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin: A Medium Of Exchange *Not A Fiat Multiplier* on: July 30, 2019, 03:38:20 PM
bitcoin gaining value has turned into a big part of bitcoin and there is no way of avoiding that. and this means there will be a portion of the people involved that want it at as a "fiat multiplier". and it will only get worse. if you think things are bad now that price has gone up to $10k, just wait until price reaches $100k and above. you will see how there will be even more people wanting to "multiply their fiat".

Or to actually escape inflation, simple as that. The economy driven by debt mentality will have to give way to an economy driven by savings, which is a phenomenon of deflation. In fact some people will gladly pay the (full reserve) banks to keep their money safe.

While bitcoin is gaining value overtime, it should gain less value as time passes. The biggest gains are probably behind already (ie. from 3¢ to 10k), even if it reaches 100k this is a single zero, compare that to the time it took going from 0.1 to 100, which is three zeroes, or 100 to 10k which is two.

So it all fits in the predicted Logarithmic curve. It can never go flat because fiats are all losing value due to (mistaken) global monetary policy.

But suppose you compared bitcoin value against gold. Even there (albeit much much more slowly) it would gain a little value. Because while gold reserves might still appear, bitcoin production is fixed, and some people are even losing them forever.

So try to imagine if bitcoin can gain value vs gold over time, how much more can gain against inflation induced fiat worldwide?
3084  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Sent Litecoin to Bitcoin Address, How to recover? on: July 30, 2019, 03:12:31 PM
Add a big fat warning that sending the funds to a wrong type of wallet it will result in a loss and you will not be responsible for that loss.
There should be a user agreement that the user have to read and click on to be sure that he has read it .
And before he confirm the transaction there should be a warning message again like : You are buying LTC, YOU NEED A LITECOIN WALLET TO RECEIVE THE FUNDS.

I've been working in the IT support for years, I've seen many dump things in my life so I'm pretty sure this wont stop them but for sure will reduce some of the possible loss.

You can't stop the dump people from loosing money, try to do your best to warn them.

I would add some random "captcha" at the end, something among these lines:

If you understand what we are saying please confirm by telling us the color of the white roof in the following input box...

And yes, i have also done my decade+ of IT support...
3085  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A page from the book "The Sovereign Individual", 1998 on: July 30, 2019, 03:02:41 PM
It's so uncanny how accurate this describes Bitcoin before Bitcoin was invented. Lucky for us, that future is today, and there's no other way to win the game, but to play. Buy Bitcoin!

I can't (easily) display images anymore, besides something like this deserves a proper quotation, which falls under fair use:

Quote from: The Sovereign Individual
Paper money is a distinctly industrial product. It would have been impractical before the printing press to duplicate receipts or certificates that became paper currency. Certainly, monks in the scriptoria would not have spent their time well drawing fifty-pound notes. Paper money also contributed significantly to the power of the state, not only by generating profits from depreciating the currency, but by giving the state leverage over who could accumulate wealth. As Abu-Lughod put it, "when paper money backed by the state become the approved currency, the chances for amassing capital in opposition to or independent of the whole machinery became difficult."

Cybercash

Now the advent of the Information Age implies another revolution in the character of money. As cybercommerce begins, it will lead inevitably to cybermoney. This new form of money will reset the odds, reducing the capacity of the world's nation-states to determine who becomes a Sovereign Individual. A crucial part of this change will come about because of the effect of information technology in liberating the holders of wealth from expropriation through inflation. Soon, you will pay for almost any transaction over the Net or World Wide Web at the same time you place it, using cybercash.

This new digital form of money is destined to play a pivotal role in cybercommerce. It will consist of encrypted sequences of multihundred-digit prime numbers. Unique, anonymous, and verifiable, this money will accommodate the largest transactions. It will also be divisible into the tiniest fraction of value. It will be tradable at a keystroke in a multitrillion-dollar wholesale market without borders.

Dialing Without Dollars

Inevitably, this new cybermoney will be denationalized. When Sovereign Individuals can deal across borders in a realm with no physical reality, they will no longer need to tolerate the long-rehearsed practice of government degrading the value of money through inflation...

Yes the last part was getting good, too bad the picture is incomplete. The current generation is probably unfamiliar with the term "dialing", which used to be synonymous of internet access in the late 90ies.

Incidentally in the 90ies i did my first international purchase from an internet shop (some bookstore from the university of California) using someone else's credit card (with permission, of course). Back then there were no security codes...

Around those days also came the famous Paypal application, which allowed sending money via email from Palm devices (current generation won't know about those PDA thingies that predate smartphones either). Couple of decades later and one (of two) guys that came up with that is sending electric cars to Mars lol.
3086  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Best Symbol For The Satoshi on: July 30, 2019, 02:31:44 PM
I like the S combination with the @ symbol.  Not many people use Satoshis currently because the price is still too low they are using smaller denominations of BTC like mBTc which is 1/1000th of a bitcoin.  It would be cool to get this symbol added to keyboards eventually.

Its not too low, its actually good. Things in my country are coincidentally now expressed in satoshis, because the fiat is on par with them (but soon its going to be 2 fiat for 1 satoshi) but while we are at it things work just fine:

Drink? 16 000 satoshis. Pringles? 30 000 satoshis, coffee 6 000 satoshis, 500gr of sandwich bread is 20 000 satoshis.

The "Big" stuff is expressed in millions. A 50" LCD 4k tv is 4 500 000 satoshis.

A whole bitcoin is 100 000 000 satoshis, something you might see when buying property or for the national budget i guess.

If you think people cannot live expressing prices in thousands, and millions all the time, you have always used perfect "strong" fiat coins. Me? I'd be glad if they declared the satoshi the national coin and dropped the garbage fiat we use.

I'm going to miss expressing things in satoshis real soon... stupid politicians thinking printing money solves everything, can't wait for a world without government and institutional control over currency...

Oh, i have said this before, anything beyond satoshis and bitcoins is useless, especially mBTC, there is nothing more useless and confusing than that. I particularly condemn whoever came up with BIP 176, DO NOT WANT jaejoon.
3087  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Croatian post office now offer crypto exchange on: July 30, 2019, 04:05:06 AM
Hi guys, this is Nick from Bitcoin mjenjačnica, the guys that are behind this Croatian Post project. I see you have a nice discussion going on here, sorry for not joining in sooner, I didn't use my bitcointalk.org account in years so I had trouble recovering it. Anyways, if you have any additional questions, just shoot, I'm here to serve :-)

--
Nikola Škorić
CEO, Electrocoin d.o.o.
https://bitcoin-mjenjacnica.hr/ | https://paycek.io/

Its good news none the less, and 4% seems reasonable for the physical exchange.

Do you also have an online exchange, and what are your fees over there? Is localbitcoins popular? Do you have any payment processors, that would take bitcoin and pay the merchant with your local money instead? Are there more plans regarding State involvement, perhaps tax payment, bills etc?

Can shops directly accept bitcoin in Croatia?
3088  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who wants to start the bitcoin church with me? serious this time on: July 30, 2019, 03:50:49 AM
Isn't Church related to Christianity? Church means a building for Christian worship. Are you going to start a new religion first? Or integrate Bitcoin as an offering to the church? I want to make sure I understood correctly. I'm just curious, and I won't be part of that "thing" you are trying to create.

I will just keep this thread in my watchlist in case something entertaining comes up too. Lol.

I don't think the Church of Scientology were Christians... But Wikipedia appears to agree with you in the formal definition of the name.
3089  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin: A Medium Of Exchange *Not A Fiat Multiplier* on: July 30, 2019, 03:42:23 AM
Some people might use bitcoin to multiply fiat... But some others use fiat to multiply bitcoin. It works both ways.

You are correct that fiat means going thru the system, while Bitcoin is ideally used without ever going to the system, in fact you give a good example with your produce.

BUT, are you going to keep those prices if the relative bitcoin price goes 100k USD or so?

In my country you need eight years to rise 0.05 btc (if BTC were to magically froze at 9.5k USD) doing a full time job. I don't think Americans earn 237+ USD per hour tho... But we do earn 5 USD a month, perhaps 10 if you manage to get a very good job, or two jobs as some people do. Others simply flee the country or find something online that pays them in not our garbage fiat.

I could even try to find the price of an apple. These are exotic imported fruits that come from template weather countries, as Apple trees don't like the tropics very much... On the other-side, we often get free mangoes.
3090  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: How to verify Electrum that comes preinstalled on Tails? on: July 30, 2019, 03:19:07 AM
I've played with Electrum on Tails not so long ago, so I can help with links.

Indeed, the Electrum from Tails is too old, you need to put a new one onto persistent storage. For that, the easiest tutorial is the official one.

While it didn't help me much on install side, this (too) detailed tutorial tells all you need about verifying (the new) Electrum.

Persistence is not really needed, but you will of course need to reinstall it again on every boot. This is important for paranoid people that don't want any sort of writing.
3091  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: PSA: New electrum.org phishing attempt on: July 30, 2019, 02:46:57 AM
How did you find that electrum site?  Was it through google or electrum?  Because if you type in manually yourself

www.electrum.org

You should be fine right?

This is fine but its not the end of the story. There is another possible attack vector by malware messing your dns or hosts file, so it might resolve electrum.org to a rogue phishing site. So no, not even that is safe enough (and actually searching it might give you the real IP address instead).

I think the only way to be sure is doing the gpg signature check:

3092  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Someone help me out please on: July 30, 2019, 02:26:52 AM
That's because versions older than 3.3 don't synchronize anymore. What you need to do is update your Electrum to the latest version.

Try going to "Wallet" -> "Seed" to view your seed.

Thanks for the reply. I've tried to see my seed that way but it is asking for my password. I have tried every password I have ever used and it's telling me they are all incorrect..

I can see the transaction on the wallet which is strange surely that wouldn't show up if it couldn't sync?

No password no seed seems like a dead end to me. Sure you can upgrade your wallet, but it will still ask for the password to send the coins anyway.

The rogue servers might be sending you the sync data, but they would reject any broadcast and just show you the phishing link...

PS. 200 (USD) worth of BTC would be something like 0.021 BTC.
3093  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Ethereum Architecture is Flawed (compared to Bitcoin) on: July 30, 2019, 02:12:50 AM
any project that copies bitcoin technology can never be better than bitcoin. that can never change no matter what changes they make in the protocol. and the fact is that even though ethereum may look different and new but it is a copy of bitcoin! it uses the same proof of work algorithm but with a different hash function!!! it uses the same blockchain architecture with a different difficulty setting. it uses the same script settings with slight differences.
the fact is that Vitalik was pushing bitcoin towards having all these features back in the days (you can even find his arguments online) and it was rejected since bitcoin is a currency not a platform for silly things. so he copied bitcoin and created ethereum.

that article has some points in it but in my opinion it is exaggerating a lot of things. for instance bitcoin may not be the fastest option or the most efficient thing but it is far from being slow and inefficient.

What about the part where it switches to Proof of Stake? Or the part where new coins will keep appearing? Smart contracts may be fun (used as platform for a thousand tokens) but that's the least of the worries. Oh and don't forget undoing the blockchain, because a few individuals have the power to do so...
3094  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S9 March 4th, 2019 firmware experience? on: July 30, 2019, 01:38:40 AM
To bypass the error while trying to flash to factory, i used the SD recovery method.
This time the flash was successful to NAND and S9 boot to factory OS.

Then i installed the 201711171757 and all three boards were working again!
Seems that 201711171757 is really a saver.

I tested to flash to latest 2018 firmware 201812051512 with success and all boards properly worked. Including of temp sensors!

I suggest you stay there then, that's asicboost enabled while still not locking you out of your miner.
3095  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: S9 won't mine on: July 30, 2019, 01:23:39 AM
Also that firmware is pretty old, you might want to update to May 2019, or Dec 2018 if you must have SSH.

The reason BitMaxz is recommending 2017 is for a reason: it was one of the last good reliable versions, before asicboost. 2018 is Asicboost enabled, pre-miner locking, thus the only other valid choice. 2019 is garbage.

Telling people to update to 2019 is the same as telling them to lock themselves out of their miners.
3096  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S9j Hashboard missing on: July 30, 2019, 01:19:12 AM
If you use the multi-option firmware from May 2019 you will be able to switch between many efficiency settings, and it will autotune rather than forcing you to set voltage and freq manually for each miner/hashboard.

And lock you out of your miner removing ssh access and chance for trying other firmwares... Thanks but no thanks. Avoid Bitmain's 2019 firmware like the plague.
3097  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Adoption: First Ever Bitcoin Movie Storms Chinese Cinemas In October on: July 30, 2019, 12:03:05 AM
Well i don't know, I'll have to watch this movie before giving my verdict. But coming from China, it is 100% guaranteed it won't be in opposition to government policies, unless you mean Hong Kong or Taiwan.

Lets hope it is good, to debunk myths and dispel lies to the Chinese, then i don't mind if they praise the party in the process...

Or, do you think certain altcoin backer could be involved?
3098  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin became valuable because it's failed at fair distribution? on: July 29, 2019, 03:03:41 PM
I think bitcoin is the fairest distribution so far, I had never came across a system that’s fair from the very beginning, only a better system that’s less unfair, and when it’s fair, it will soon natural developed into unfair, and it’s the nature of a working economic system, and it is certainly what’s going on in the crypto space albeit at a alarming rapid pace, it used to took centuries to distribute gold, when it come to cash, it took decades to distribute, and crypto took only weeks to distribute, and it is also getting very fast to developed into unfairness, I’m not trying to undermine bitcoin, it is giving me a mixed feeling about fair and unfairness at the same time, I think it’s good to share your opinions, what do you think how and why it is more valuable.

And I strongly believe usd is the most powerful currency ever in the world as claimed by POTUS simply because the absurd inequality in distributing the USD, and the top elite simply can print 99.9% of the USD while 0.1% of USD distribute to you and me.

Depends in what you consider fair. The concept of inequality is a problem in itself; some people consider unfair that some have more than others, despite those having worked or risked more.

In the beginning, Bitcoin was available to everyone, willing to dedicate a few computing resources to mine it. But with time, given that the amount of worldwide produced Bitcoin is fixed in the code, the more people got involved, the less everyone would get. Furthermore, those willing to invest more into mining, would get bigger chunks than others.

You could say that's unfair to the poor, depending on where your ideology comes from... Unfortunately that camp is more of the idea of, give the exact same amount to everyone, no matter what. Working or risking is irrelevant. Then you are going to get the other group claim, that is unfair the lazy and do nothing are valued the same than the hard workers, or that you value a hard worker like a parasite.

So what it is fair?

Challenging the power of the USD, sure, that was bound to happen anyway. But the rich, the so called 1% isn't going to be affected so don't ever think this is some kind of social revenge, it isn't. See, those people can, and actually have the chance to jump ship (wherever they do it its their problem). And the smart ones would have large investments in many assets anyway, not just USD. Should the USD collapse, as some wish, the ones with the most to lose are ironically those holding less of it, since overnight their purchasing power gets cut in half or more everyday (i know, I'm living in hyperinflation here) while the rich remain mostly unaffected, just a few trades here and there and everything remains the same.

But, having produced money that replaced State controlled money, that is a success, and a small gain for humanity. People and economies NOW have the chance to have savings actually gain value (slowly) overtime. Sure a few did in the past, but who could ever afford to own and secure valuables like gold?

Maybe you could say Bitcoin was like getting gold available to the masses.
3099  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Ban Hearing Slightly Delayed by Supreme Court of India on: July 29, 2019, 02:42:28 PM
Every country in this world is at a crossroads: Reject or embrace Bitcoin. So far only 15 countries have rejected it.



This is the same as saying: Reject or embrace more wealth.

When you accept Bitcoin, you are welcoming a new type of wealth, when you reject it, it goes elsewhere. This new type of wealth is similar to foreign investing, it is in a foreign currency, and it can go away any instant. This is where politicians, especially those against free market, have issues with. They are obsessed with being able to "control" things, and this Bitcoin thing is actually beyond their control.

That is why they are afraid.

But none the less, rejecting it means rejecting wealth. Its like turning back tourists at the airport, because you don't need their money. The irony is that the richest Arab countries are looking a bit more friendlier to Bitcoin than the poorer overpopulated India and China. One of those Arab countries can literally turn investors away, they DO have enough wealth... But India? Doesn't look exactly super rich, despite having a rich class in it, like China.

But again, this is a problem of education. If you are Indian, you should be helping do an informative campaign so people can pressure them. Start with social media, set up web sites, try to debate the issue with the politicians on mass media, etc. Be active, you have the most to lose.
3100  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer S9 March 4th, 2019 firmware experience? on: July 29, 2019, 01:31:20 PM
OK Braiin OS installed to NAND. ( Using 16GB card, with 8GB there was an error "firmware.tar.gz" is missing )
Seems that the missing hashboard appeared and hashing.

However in Braiin OS there is no temperature measurement!

...

Braiin OS seems very powerful firmware but missing temperatures sensors is very dangerous.

So i tried to install 201711171757 bitmain firmware from official page with no luck

Well you can also manually control the fan speeds. If you know it never got to dangerous temperatures with factory, it won't with Braiins OS unless you overclock it. It seems to be unable to detect the sensors but that's not so strange as you may think. It would be fine if you could get temperatures from one of the boards, then put that in the middle (which is the worst position).

You can try factory from 2017 and 2018 if you think it makes a difference. But yes, factory loves to disable a board when it can't read its sensors, something bOS can override as you did see. Sensors failing but hash chips actually ok is not rare.

If you are somehow still scared with bOS go the other route: Downclock. Something resembling 8.1v 500mhz does wonders. You could try 8.5v 600mhz or so, just make sure actual and ideal clock speed match or are very close, then keep lowering that voltage and when the values differ too much go back to the previous value. Downclocking is never dangerous, chips run cooler. And don't mind the suggested values, lower those voltages always until you find the sweet spot.

I mean a downclocked board is better than no board, but its your choice...
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