Computer Scientists 'Prove' God Exists
For centuries, many have tried to use this kind of abstract reasoning to prove the possibility or necessity of the existence of God. But the mathematical model composed by Gödel proposed a proof of the idea. Its theorems and axioms -- assumptions which cannot be proven -- can be expressed as mathematical equations. And that means they can be proven.Researchers have cracked the "GOD CODE", they used computers to validate the axioms that refute Naturalism and confirm the necessity of the existence of GOD. I find it strange that atheists and skeptics in this thread did not address the computerized proof of GOD that I referenced. After all, is this not exactly the sort of proof that an atheist would expect and demand to see? I actually did, quite in detail actually: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg27336707#msg27336707You might have missed it. Godel's proof consists of the following argument God is defined as that which is greater than anything else We can imagine God Since a real God is greater than an imaginary God, and God by definition is greater than everything God must be real The German scientists took this argument, translated it to math, and proved it works. However, they took Godel's argument as sound, so naturally the came out with the same result. However, his argument has flaws: 1) How do we know God is greater than anything else? Before we have proof of God, we are incapable of defining him. 2) Why should a real God be greater than an imaginary God? I can imagine perfection, but I have yet to encounter it in real life. I would argue that imaginary things are often better than their real world counterparts. Godel's argument uses flawed assumptions, and the German programmers used those same flawed assumptions |
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Now support told me that it could take up to 20 days before they send the payment which means 5th of Feb. But they ignored my request to credit it back to my account.
I already left them a negative vote here, it's pretty ridiculous to be honest. Not only takes them months to verify you but if in the meantime your documents happen to expire, which mine did they will ask for new verification. Extremely slow and unresponsive support team and website. |
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7+ hours already waiting for getting my BTC on stocks.exchange, support team not answering me, total ignorance. https://blockchain.info/address/1PYCF5SeV5v9y7KjsbLg6mqHm1Q9LuUsVY the transactions, as you see my wallet is "1PYCF5SeV5v9y7KjsbLg6mqHm1Q9LuUsVY", but then, money was sent to some other place, and, all this, without getting the BTC on stocks.change website, look screenshots with history -    7 hours isn't even that much for support to answer you. All the other exchanges take days or even weeks to respond. Your btc is safe, just chill. |
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For me the jury is still out.
I transferred about $1000 in Bitcoin there, traded for one of the smaller coins that they list (ORE) and attempted to withdrawal. The email confirmation never arrived so I couldn't withdrawal. I tried many, many more times after that. That same day I opened a ticket. No response. I sent an email, no response. I posted to Twitter begging them to fix their mail servers.
I thoroughly tested my own email address. I opened tickets with my email provider - they investigated - said no emails were sent from that exchange (except the one welcoming me.)
I wrote an email to them BEGGING to reply - and I actually received a reply!!!! They asked me "did you open a ticket?" I told them I did - yes, and then provided tons of information again asking them to please look into it - at least let me know if this is confined just to me - or not. No response. I have updated my ticket many times - tried many more times - sent other emails ... I asked them on Twitter to at least post 1) How many support tickets are in their backlog and 2) How many they seem to be clearing a day. That would at least help some of us who are waiting to understand how long we might wait.
But ..No response. My coins still sit there. It has been a week. My biggest complaint right now is the lack of communication. If they could just write back or update my ticket with a response like "Hey, working on it - sorry, underwater .." Whatever.
So, I'm not ready to call them a scam because that would indicate that I don't believe I will get my property back. Maybe I will. I continue to hold out hope. But I can say that it is very, very disappointing. And I definitely DO NOT recommend using this exchange in its present state.
Weird because I have opened around 3-4 tickets and they were all answered within a day. |
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I was tempted to open an account there days ago because one token listed there has a price more convenient for me, but now I think I will wait to see how the problems outlined in this thread will evolve.
They are fine, sometimes it takes time for transactions but that happens on any exchange. I mean I don't know if they are going to ever scam or not, I wouldn't put more than 5-10% of my money on their hands. |
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When do we get the ABTC? And what are the pricepredictions?
What is special of ABTC?
No one knows but very soon. Well with the huge crash no one can really predict the price of anything really, but it's going to be around 0.05-0.10$ each ABTC at best. |
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I received the payment for this week, thanks, however I still have the payment of the other 2 week period pending.
Thats weird, because there hasnt been a payment for this round yet. Honestly I don't know but I got both so thanks. |
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I received the payment for this week, thanks, however I still have the payment of the other 2 week period pending.
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Rofl, so I was already verified on everything but ''Proof of residence'' I submitted a valid proof of residence document and now they are saying that my passport is expired, well no shit, I did my first verification years ago, what a joke of an exchange.
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Evolution is made to discredit the majestic work of God the creator.
Yes, the entire argument comes down to science vs magic. Hypocrites denounce science while they use it every minute. :/ Fun fact: Most non-believers, myself included, stopped believing thanks to the bible, not evolution. When you read the book objectively you realize how retarded it is, I didn't even thought about evolution at the time I stopped believing and most people don't either. There are far easier science facts that disprove the bible, like any dating method. |
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People who are posting here but didn't read before because they are stupid as fk or because they are the friends of the admin.  When multiple people with real profil on tweeter are complaining about someone who scam the people and finance the terrorism, they take it seriously. ( there is a lot of proofs on tweeter if you call a screenshot a proof, i don't know what you want now...) Tell the admin to come here we will laugh. If someone make such accusation about me, i would reply. And sorry but yes it's my money and i start to be nervous. It makes me crazy to see how people don't believe me, and why? because i'm right. Actually the only one that is stupid as fuck is you. You and the other idiots who call every exchange a scam because they had delays or some other normal problems. They already made an official statement on their twitter. ''we got a lot of transactions stuck somehow, we will process it soon, my devs told me that they already got a solution'' Have you ever used other exchanges? My withdrawal on Binance the other day took around 40 hours, should I also open a scam accusation against them now? All exchanges are suffering right now, big ones included. Look at bittrex, borderline a scam or cex.io which is supposed to be one of the big fishes and my verification is still pending after a month. Now stop spreading FUD and posting crap, thanks. Me and others (check other threads here in bitcointalk) have been waiting for more than five days now, I hope is what another member before said about liquidity, makes sense, but not just say that is a "normal" delay. And what is a normal delay, all exchanges work like garbage now with a few exceptions. Unprofessional is not the same as a scam. |
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I see quiet few complains about bank wire transfer out of Cex.io.
Has anyone had a pleasant experience with Cex.io using wire transfer?
I am looking to get Euro wire transfer to my Canadian Euro account.
*I have given up on their USD bank withdrawal since all USD must go through a corresponding US bank and US is not in their list of countries.
I don't think anyone has a pleasant experience with cex.io using anything. They are extremely slow with any process, use bitstamp or something else, they are not reliable right now. 1 month for my verification process and it's only a paper, that's just ridiculous. |
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People who are posting here but didn't read before because they are stupid as fk or because they are the friends of the admin. When multiple people with real profil on tweeter are complaining about someone who scam the people and finance the terrorism, they take it seriously. ( there is a lot of proofs on tweeter if you call a screenshot a proof, i don't know what you want now...) Tell the admin to come here we will laugh. If someone make such accusation about me, i would reply. And sorry but yes it's my money and i start to be nervous. It makes me crazy to see how people don't believe me, and why? because i'm right. Actually the only one that is stupid as fuck is you. You and the other idiots who call every exchange a scam because they had delays or some other normal problems. They already made an official statement on their twitter. ''we got a lot of transactions stuck somehow, we will process it soon, my devs told me that they already got a solution'' Have you ever used other exchanges? My withdrawal on Binance the other day took around 40 hours, should I also open a scam accusation against them now? All exchanges are suffering right now, big ones included. Look at bittrex, borderline a scam or cex.io which is supposed to be one of the big fishes and my verification is still pending after a month. Now stop spreading FUD and posting crap, thanks. |
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You said:
''Yet, somehow, lots of non-scientists suddenly think that the scientists say that evolution is true''
I responded to that showing you statistics that we don't just think scientists say evolution is true, they actually do say evolution is true.
So, keep on talking religion. None of the speaking or writing scientists have any proof. The evidence fits creation better. Evolution is a hoax.  If that was true we wouldn't have less than 5% of scientists that believe in creation. But creation and religion aren't the point of this topic. Probably close to less than 5% of the scientists accept evolution theory as accurate. They have scientifically seen the flaws in it. They just don't know. But many of them are realizing that there is, scientifically understood, intelligent design shown in the universe. And they are beginning to realize that... Evolution is a hoax. Oh, they just don't know. You know better than them badecker, go tell them!! Thank you for the compliment. But you are mistaken. They, themselves, say that they don't know. Evolution is a hoax. I mean I can link more data showing virtually every scientist and all science agrees that evolution is true but you are going to say something stupid so it's pointless. You are going to link their signed affidavits, with locations to where these are recorded in government recording offices, as well? Polls can be twisted to show anything. Websites can proclaim anything. We are looking for proof. Let's see their signed affidavits, for starters. Evolution is a hoax. Badecker is the type of guy that will say ''scientists do not believe in evolution'' without giving any type of evidence. I can link here 20 different polls and websites saying they do, can you link at least 1 that says most scientists think evolution is not true? https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/07/13/creationism-evolution-template-for-easing-divisions-tom-krattenmaker-column/467800001/Even religious people like you have to accept evolution now, most religions do already. They are forced to because the science supporting it is too strong, otherwise why do you think all these religious groups are accepting evolution more and more if they truly believe in god? |
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The usual garbage full of fallacies and misinformation...
I do not believe that god exists, I have never seen science show any evidence that God exists in this world, God is only in the imagination of every human being, I know that God is one People are respectable but they are not real Cause and effect exists in everything we have found. So does entropy. So does complexity. Combining these scientifically shows that God exists. Why? Because these 3 couldn't exist in the universe without something that fits our definition of "God." The whole operation of the universe is complex machinery. Machines have makers. You never explained why complexity means that something was designed. ''The whole operation of the universe is complex machinery'' Keep making shit up. Not all machines have makers, a rock doesn't have a designer. All machinery that we know is machinery, has designers. All the machine operations of this machinery use nature's machine operations. Everything is machinery. Machines have makers. Complex machines have complex makers. Machines as complex as the machines of nature and the universe, have such a complex Maker that He fits the definition of our word "God." Thank you for prompting me to give a better explanation. I hope you stop denying the fact of God's existence before you deny yourself out of existence. I mean, once you realize that God exists, then you have to find out about Him enough to be saved. Just know that He exists doesn't automatically bring salvation. Why are you recycling the same bad and flawed argument? ''Everything is machinery.'' ''All machinery that we know is machinery, has designers.'' No, we just know our things are designed because we know humans make things. We know a bottle is designed because we know bottles are made by humans and not found in nature, we didn't get inspired by nature to create bottles. Now you are jumping from, we know humans make stuff to, everything is a machine and therefore everything is designed. I mean, what? why? wtf? Nothing indicates a rock is designed. If we see a house,… we conclude, with the greatest certainty, that it had an architect or builder because this is precisely that species of effect which we have experienced to proceed from that species of cause. But surely you will not affirm that the universe bears such a resemblance to a house that we can with the same certainty infer a similar cause, or that the analogy is here entire and perfect (Hume, Dialogues, Part II). Second, Hume argues that, even if the resemblance between the material universe and human artifacts justified thinking they have similar causes, it would not justify thinking that an all-perfect God exists and created the world. For example, there is nothing in the argument that would warrant the inference that the creator of the universe is perfectly intelligent or perfectly good. Indeed, Hume argues that there is nothing there that would justify thinking even that there is just one deity: "what shadow of an argument... can you produce from your hypothesis to prove the unity of the Deity? Animals, plants, humans, are far from perfect, nothing indicates that an all powerful god created them. |
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You said:
''Yet, somehow, lots of non-scientists suddenly think that the scientists say that evolution is true''
I responded to that showing you statistics that we don't just think scientists say evolution is true, they actually do say evolution is true.
So, keep on talking religion. None of the speaking or writing scientists have any proof. The evidence fits creation better. Evolution is a hoax. If that was true we wouldn't have less than 5% of scientists that believe in creation. But creation and religion aren't the point of this topic. Probably close to less than 5% of the scientists accept evolution theory as accurate. They have scientifically seen the flaws in it. They just don't know. But many of them are realizing that there is, scientifically understood, intelligent design shown in the universe. And they are beginning to realize that... Evolution is a hoax. Oh, they just don't know. You know better than them badecker, go tell them!! Thank you for the compliment. But you are mistaken. They, themselves, say that they don't know. Evolution is a hoax. I mean I can link more data showing virtually every scientist and all science agrees that evolution is true but you are going to say something stupid so it's pointless. |
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The usual garbage full of fallacies and misinformation...
I do not believe that god exists, I have never seen science show any evidence that God exists in this world, God is only in the imagination of every human being, I know that God is one People are respectable but they are not real Cause and effect exists in everything we have found. So does entropy. So does complexity. Combining these scientifically shows that God exists. Why? Because these 3 couldn't exist in the universe without something that fits our definition of "God." The whole operation of the universe is complex machinery. Machines have makers. You never explained why complexity means that something was designed. ''The whole operation of the universe is complex machinery'' Keep making shit up. Not all machines have makers, a rock doesn't have a designer. |
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You said:
''Yet, somehow, lots of non-scientists suddenly think that the scientists say that evolution is true''
I responded to that showing you statistics that we don't just think scientists say evolution is true, they actually do say evolution is true.
So, keep on talking religion. None of the speaking or writing scientists have any proof. The evidence fits creation better. Evolution is a hoax. If that was true we wouldn't have less than 5% of scientists that believe in creation. But creation and religion aren't the point of this topic. Probably close to less than 5% of the scientists accept evolution theory as accurate. They have scientifically seen the flaws in it. They just don't know. But many of them are realizing that there is, scientifically understood, intelligent design shown in the universe. And they are beginning to realize that... Evolution is a hoax. Oh, they just don't know. You know better than them badecker, go tell them!! |
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You said:
''Yet, somehow, lots of non-scientists suddenly think that the scientists say that evolution is true''
I responded to that showing you statistics that we don't just think scientists say evolution is true, they actually do say evolution is true.
So, keep on talking religion. None of the speaking or writing scientists have any proof. The evidence fits creation better. Evolution is a hoax. If that was true we wouldn't have less than 5% of scientists that believe in creation. |
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In this world nothing happens by accident. Everything has its own pattern. This is what scientists prove. Possible carbon or radiation method is not the most accurate method of determining the age of the earth, but scientists do not say that their opinion is 100% true  This is a good point. Nothing that the scientists say about evolution suggests that they know that it is true. They never say it. The closest they come is to say things like, "Evolution must be true." This shows that they don't really know. Yet, somehow, lots of non-scientists suddenly think that the scientists say that evolution is true when they really don't. The vast majority of the scientific community and academia supports evolutionary theory as the only explanation that can fully account for observations in the fields of biology, paleontology, molecular biology, genetics, anthropology, and others.[17][18][19][20][21] One 1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science" That was in 1987. Additionally, the scientific community considers intelligent design, a neo-creationist offshoot, to be unscientific,[25] pseudoscience,[26][27] or junk science.[28][29] The U.S. National Academy of Sciences has stated that intelligent design "and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life" are not science because they cannot be tested by experiment, do not generate any predictions, and propose no new hypotheses of their own.[30] In September 2005, 38 Nobel laureates issued a statement saying "Intelligent design is fundamentally unscientific; it cannot be tested as scientific theory because its central conclusion is based on belief in the intervention of a supernatural agent." "Nearly all scientists (97%) say humans and other living things have evolved over time," while only 61% of the public agrees, according to a new report (PDF, p. 37) from the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. There you are, talking religion, again. There have been many religions that have predicted that Jesus would return on a certain date or at a certain time. But it didn't happen. There have been many religions that have tried to heal people, but it didn't happen, even though some of the healings seemed to happen. We want proof for evolution. Get a bunch of your science buddies together and talk it up all day long. Since you all know that there isn't any proof, but you say there is anyway... Evolution is a hoax. You said: ''Yet, somehow, lots of non-scientists suddenly think that the scientists say that evolution is true'' I responded to that showing you statistics that we don't just think scientists say evolution is true, they actually do say evolution is true. |
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