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3121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: August 30, 2015, 02:41:15 AM
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Your identity is not stored. What is stored are the transactions that move coins around, and the relationships between those transactions. Could that possibly be compromised in the future? Sure, anything could possibly be compromised.


The public transactions in bitcoin are, well, public, and can be traced and used against you. The perfect example is the crack down of silck road, in which public blockchain of bitcoin played a key role:

https://coincenter.org/2015/04/silk-road-corruption-case-shows-how-law-enforcement-uses-bitcoin/


n00b question:

If it's so easy to trace why do we continue to see scams of considerable amounts (many many 50+ btc) go with the slightest hint of consequence?

I thought that myth died with Evolution and BTCe?
3122  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 29, 2015, 09:52:44 PM
Why should religon be the one area were we don't question someone's belief? If no one had ever questioned me on it, I'd still be living in the mental prison of organized religion--and i find that unethical.

Let me clarify (once more) we're on the same boat on this. A mental prison has only one key and it's called "Knowledge". This has nothing to do with God or any religion. You were ready to question what you thought it had a flaw (or didn't serve your needs). That's why you were able to question it in the first place. And that's ethical also as sane.

On the other hand, if you were not ready to question your faith, then a person who would "oblige" you to do it, by "opening your eyes" would probably make things worse and possibly he would have gained himself a devoted enemy. Please understand that not everybody is "open minded" and as I said, religion is often used as a safe heaven for a troubled soul. Maybe we should just let people to it.

But more to the point is why is it being leveraged in a political discussion? Let's not forget that Revelations damns everyone who doesn't fit within a prescribed belief system. Do you see me threatening anyone with eternal damnation or referencing materials that do? And if your beliefs can't handle being questioned, how strong were they to begin with?

If you think that religion has nothing to do with politics you're obviously need to reconsider. Both are tightly associated with a synaptic bond that serves back and forth "pro bono" the needs of each other. Each will dispense its services to each other whenever the society "demands" it. This has nothing to do with either the first, not the later; it has only has to do with control and power over the hordes of desperate people.

You are agnostic, so I presume you're very much aware what I'm talking about here. Enough said.

We are on the same page. But why are you questioning me questioning religion when someone else brought it to the thread in the first place? If you bring it into the conversation, you should be prepared to talk about it or even to defend it. I just don't want to read how I'm one of the damned antichrist followers (or not one of the chosen--same thing, different posture) when i come to this thread. Is that asking too much? I'm sure everyone has better things to do, but next time i'm just going to start quoting Nick Land and Nietzsche and that way I can relegate my beliefs to the authority of a higher power.
3123  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 29, 2015, 08:53:58 PM
Even if I don't believe in something, even if I know something is a fraud, or even can prove it's a fake; my ethics constraints me to accept one's beliefs. "What ethics has to do with religion", you might ask... Religion often offers people a standing point into their stormy lives. I rarely try to debunk such a belief,  or argue with it; because if I do, I may destroy what this human has thought as utterly important for his own existence; and that I find unethical.

Why should religon be the one area were we don't question someone's belief? If no one had ever questioned me on it, I'd still be living in the mental prison of organized religion--and i find that unethical.

But more to the point is why is it being leveraged in a political discussion? Let's not forget that Revelations damns everyone who doesn't fit within a prescribed belief system. Do you see me threatening anyone with eternal damnation or referencing materials that do? And if your beliefs can't handle being questioned, how strong were they to begin with?
3124  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 29, 2015, 02:31:40 PM
You are so blind in this matter that I point out the one last time that:

*  it is OK to criticize my points in my actual writings that I myself have written, but

* it is NOT OK to criticize "my points", which in reality are your real or imaginary past impressions of other guys.


So yeah pls continue criticizing me, and also the other guys, but don't mix the critique in the same paragraph such that the reader gets the impression that I share the opinions with the other guys unless it's explicit that I do. Implicit is strawmaning.

The dialogue was to make a point (a parable) not sure if anyone would construe that as relating directly to you (they'd be mistaken as i was only trying to illustrate how most anyone would not accept bible logic when analyzing a bond--if that wasn't clear, i appologize). As for referencing the Bible or Revelations in the context of politics, my points stand and i make no appologies as i think it is a fraud.
3125  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 29, 2015, 12:55:44 PM
Aren't you strawmaning?

What am I strawmanning?

Strawmaning means to lash out against person A by attributing to him some stuff B that he is not doing, thinking or representing, based on some quality C of this person A, the other holders of which (the quality C) the attributor has seen representing stuff B as well.

Both me and TPTB_n_w have been the objects of your strawmaning.

Not hardly, pointing out the flaw I think inherent in your reference to Revelations is not strawmanning. It's pointing out the flaw I think inherent in refrencing Revelations. It's not personal. I have deep rerspect for you Risto when it comes to business, finance and technological innovations, and I also have a deep respect for TPTB_need_war in technology and politics and few other things he's written about--but when you guys talk about religous matters (and yes the two kings or christ/antichrist from Revelations are a religous matter--if I'm mistaken on this reading, please tell me how I could glean a different reading, TPTB), the analytical skills you rely on so heavily in your gifted areas seems to shutdown and you sound like any man on the street who's sold his critical analysis for a piece of virtual pie in the sky (but after you die and no can prove otherwise, of course).
3126  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 29, 2015, 11:23:23 AM
Aren't you strawmaning?

What am I strawmanning?

Let's revise the original statement by one word and see what happens?


If you want to understand Revelations, grab a mutating inkblot and ask a paranoid schizophrenic what they see. I love TPTB_need_war and Risto, but when they start quoting referencing a book written by dudes claiming divine inspiration by a magical spaceman, I'm out. Though both Jung's and Nietzsche's interpretations of Revelations are both entertaining.   

Does anyone want to play symantics police with that?
3127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: August 29, 2015, 02:02:18 AM
hi. is this like rpg game or something? is this very good game? anyone have experience this already? any advice?

MPORG in a sandbox with a real economy. It's kind of addicting once you realize that you are creating part of the world every time you make a trade or invest in some gold or buy a lot for development. And the interactions feel like real business deals which is something i can't say i've ever experienced in a game. It's kind of like monopoly, civilization and second life (from what I hear, tbh never played second life) rolled into one game with elements of social networking. Hope that helps.
3128  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 29, 2015, 01:27:57 AM
rpietila have you seen that Christianity is taking over China?

The Communist Party is wrecked. The taipans don't want to give up their State owned enterprises monopolies which is what is holding back China.

We are nearing another Berlin wall collapse. Armstrong's computer model says Asia will bottom by 2020.

Anonymous currency and internet will be non-violent tools the people can employ to assert their sovereignty so they can ruled by only one King (for atheists that is a different King than for Christians).

Sorry, thought you were being serious about this comment to Risto and lumped you into the taking Revelations as what will actually happen crowd. In which case you may not be directly quoting, but directly paraphrasing a book by a bunch of dudes who think they have divine inspiration from a magical spaceman. In truth i don't want to know your religious beliefs and didn't go any further in my speculation than those two items (one yours, one Risto's) in the thread.

As for miracles saving people. A lot of people change habits after a severe diagnosis and recover fully. The most common story (a secular one) is quitting your job, and with an obvious reduction of stress and obligations, the body can redirect energy to heal itself (are you paying attention TPTB_need_war?)--something Buddhists monks and Yogis have mastered without the "I eat Pagans for breakfast" god so prevalent in Western belief systems .

There are many special qualities to spirituality (and we evolved it for a reason "death denial" anyone?), but organized religion is the best way to keep yourself from having a spiritual experience. I'm an agnostic and have as much bliss from writing a poem (if not more) than any zealot can claim while castigating heathens. The experience can only be described as having an intense and protracted orgasm in your mind--those describing themselves in the prophetic or divining moment relate a similar ecstasy or bliss when they are experiencing what they claim to be god's divine inspiration. I just call it bliss, not sure why a god needs be brought into the conversation.

3129  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 28, 2015, 05:47:49 PM
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Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

It seems that we cannot know the date in advance, but we can witness in the power of the Holy Spirit unto all the earth, and this is what I am doing.

That's your thing. I'm keeping as much personal liberty as possible (religions are cages for your mind in my view--spirituality is another matter and doesn't ask much outside of a willingness and discipline to expand your consciousness), but I believe we are on the same team when it comes to freedom from domineering governments--as i think Christians and Buddhists are on the same side when it comes to government aggression.
3130  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 28, 2015, 03:39:20 PM
You do know that the messiah cults started with jews who thought the apoclypse+messiah would come and smote the Romans--who later became the Christians. Irony.

I have no problem with spirituality or politics, but when they get mashed together and put through the futurism blender, it gets real weird, real quick. There's no way you'd buy a bond on the info you're giving me on the Apocolypse, so sorry if I don't plan accordingly.

Some Dude, "Wanna buy a bond that will change your life?"

Me, "When does it expire?"

Some Dude, "When the Seventh Seal is opened."

Me, " When does that happen?"

Some Dude, " Only the issuer knows that."

Me, "Who's the issuer."

Some Dude, "No one knows for sure, so we gave him the pseudonym God."

Me, "So you don't know when the bond expires and no one has any real details on the issuer? Do you at least have some collateral?"

Some Dude, "No. But he expects 2+ hours of your weekend, a meditation in his honor throughout the day, your wife and kids acceptance of his omnipotence, your servitude, influence over your political and social views, a suggested 10% of your income to his causes, and for that small price you get a big payout,"

Me, "Think I'll pass without more facts."

Some Dude, "Then you'll burn for eternity while we rejoice in Heaven."


Me, "Hope no one you love forgets to sign up or you might have a hard time enjoying yourself while they're suffering eternally, but good luck and have a nice day."
3131  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 28, 2015, 06:59:49 AM
A tyranny is not fought by petitioning it.

You have to be ready to take the moral high ground you claim to have, and ignore the tyranny to their demise.

There is no guaranteed, visible victory in your lifetime, but they dread to take your life, because it shortens their own rule:

Quote from: God
Rev. 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were , should be fulfilled.

So actually your victory is not dependent whether you live or die, it depends whether you associate with the tyranny or not.


Clap, clap, clap.

+ eternity

Revelation is a hard book for me to understand.  I have needed a lot of time for an even less than minimal understanding.

But, yes, the context of your quotation is most gratefully received (while on vacation no less).

If you want to understand Revelations, grab a mutating inkblot and ask a paranoid schizophrenic what they see. I love TPTB_need_war and Risto, but when they start quoting a book written by dudes claiming divine inspiration by a magical spaceman, I'm out. Though both Jung's and Nietzsche's interpretations of Revelations are both entertaining.  
3132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best alternative to Bitcoin on: August 28, 2015, 06:14:59 AM
Diamonds, Gold, Silver...take your pick.

Cocaine
3133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press? on: August 28, 2015, 06:12:26 AM
another semantic theoretical based FUD. I don't know exactly how much of the code if it resembles some of Bitcoins ideas then how is he a liar saying its a completely new 'rewrite'. You know if I rewrite the script to Batman.....Batman still gonna be in it right?


The fact is.....which is THE WHOLE point is JC work does something other coins can't......history won't care about your intellectual hissy fits.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rewrite




Ask Vanilla Ice about rewrites that aren't that rewritten. At least he completely changed most of the lyrics. Your boy switched a few words around, stole the beat and said he changed the game--all we need is Satoshi to sue this poser (better yet, hang him from a balcony as the legend goes) and he'll do the same favor for cryptocurrency that Suge did for rap.
3134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Alternative cryptocurrencies beating bitcoin on: August 28, 2015, 05:35:12 AM
i've found though the nerdy IT crowd here is in general far removed from understanding the most basic market dynamics, currency or even basic math.

not to mention way too linear in understanding potential security flaws.

Please enlighten us.


where would i begin ?

Step 1

The Begining

Point A

Anywhere
3135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press? on: August 27, 2015, 02:49:05 AM

Stop telling me I need to chase the anonymous "john conner" around to his preferred hiding places, after he has already lied to the entire community and he produced a white paper that did not do what he claimed it would do.

He can come here where we are. If not, then stop advertising here. Go advertise in IRC.

Are you paying me to waste my time? I made a judgment that he is not worthy based on the above. It is up to him to repair his reputation here. He seems not to care.



But it's you who have criticised VNL in a public place, it is you that has spread FUD, it's is you who should be the man to go directly to the one you have decided to criticise. JC doesn't care what you think, but owners of the coin are being damaged by your FUD. Your clearly a bullshitter. Even more hilarious that you say you solved double spend just after looking into VNL.  Roll Eyes


I'll be on you like a rash if you start advertising your tech, it's the least you deserve for your cowardice. Your best option as is Fuseleers is to go and challenge JC otherwise don't even bother trying to plug your tech on this forum......you will be labelled as copiers of VNL ideas. It's in your interest to show in some detail you have a better solution directly to JC or you guys will always be second to solve something........no prizes for second.

You posted this thread here to get an answer here from the people here. You got it. Now accept it or go to IRC and hide with JC.
3136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: August 26, 2015, 08:16:01 PM
Hard to believe it's almost here. I only wish I had started playing earlier.

I would think sword when you reach knighthood would be a very powerful gesture. A gold or silver staff for when you reach wizard. Perhaps a street named after you when you reach one of landed positions. I'm working on symbolism theme--maybe time to go to bed and get some better inspiration.  Roll Eyes

Thank you for building this Risto.
3137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best alternative to Bitcoin on: August 26, 2015, 06:11:16 AM
There will be never a replace for bitcoin. This is what I think. All the other coins, any kind of coins, will be some kind of clone of it and as such never real competitor to it. There are declaration of this kind every month but bitcoin is again there where it has being without any problem.


If you're set on never meaning the time you've experienced (IE the past of your example), how will you ever be wrong?

If you mean never as forever-ever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRcaSIMxfYg), then how can you ever be right? I guess humanity could get wiped out by a singularity event (comet, disease, etc) and no more sentient life could exist again before the world gets swallowed up by the sun. But if humanity exist long enough, Bitcoin will be replaced. Whether it is by a form of cryptonight, zerocash, quantum money, whatever TPTB_need_war is developing or something else entirely is the question. My bet is that a true form of cash beats BTC long-term as the bankers and governments of the world can adopt Bitcoin's innovation and only a decentralized and opaque (or in quantum money's case user-verifiable security/confidentiality) blockchain is something they can't subsume in their lust for power.

Bitcoin and what follows and what follows and what follows that will only be the end game if innovation stops, and as TS Elliot pointed out, that is the type of whimpering context that the world ends on.
3138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: August 25, 2015, 01:02:28 AM

The Bank is accepting deposits! New short bond BSB1610 is making you money when you sleep and paying 1.4% APR, almost double that of gold.


What are the terms of the bond? Minimum? Maximum? Can it be m or ckg? Can any admin process the transaction?
3139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom Ultima Version Development Thread on: August 23, 2015, 06:00:41 PM
What are the details for the building editor? I was playing around with it and I like the set-up. Though block production is flaky--sometimes the block appears as soon as you click, sometimes you won't be able to place a block until you've placed a few more blocks near it, and sometimes it won't appear at all. Also, will there be rotational-view in the future versions? This part of the game is the one i'm most excited to play--your creativity and hard work can make a mediocre lot an architectural masterpiece.
3140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: August 22, 2015, 08:06:55 AM
Who do I contact for a lot owned by cryptotown?

Any admin that has database access. (including at least: myself, SirJacket, Sir Noms, Sir Saddam)
So, How can we help? Smiley

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