Off Topic might fare better, I think it would be deleted from Meta, and may still be deleted from Off Topic, but that would be your best shot

The mods are thinking about deleting it, any reason not to?

*edit* I find the image amusing (pretty nice combo break) but those other threads have been deleted, so is the thread necessary is the question. Anyway, I'll at least give you a bit to respond.

He was banned for a few months, but was allowed back due to good behavior.

Despite my best efforts to head it off, this thread has been reported 4 times now, since I first posted a clarification.



If people are unhappy with the rule, I suppose you could open a nonspammy thread in an appropriate section and have the rule reviewed by Theymos, or at least get a better explanation as to why account selling is allowed, as I'm not entirely sure myself. Although before doing so, I would advise searching to see if the thread has already been made, which I would be somewhat surprised if it hasn't.

I agree that it would be very difficult for the U.S gov to regulate BTC, what I do believe they could do however is make it annoying for U.S users to use bitcoins.

U.S, against



How about mass power outages?  

Serious question though, doesn't the U.S gov have some sort of legal "power" to interfere with your exchange if U.S citizens are using it whether its in Euros, Pounds, or pebbles? I mean, I'd love to see all exchanges get around U.S intervention by just making everyone trade in BTC > Euro. If that was the case, I believe I'd be holding more euros than USD. I'm just worried that all BTC exchanges and such will blacklist all U.S members so they can stay operational.

Well, I don't believe it necessarily needs to be in Alt Currencies, but it is indeed a "market thread" but because the OP is willing to accept LTC, an Alt Currency, I believe it is fine to post here. Here, as well as the Bitcoin Market section would be suitable locations.

I foresee this thread being reported many times, so before it happens, I'll say that selling accounts is compliant with forum rules.

Put the fact that I'm a mod aside, I'm only a mod on the Alt Currencies section, I have no pull here, so I'm speaking strictly as a peer

I won't get into a fight with you, because it would be drawn out and futile, not to mention, it wouldn't look the best on my part, arguing with a guy that people have already drawn their own opinions on. What bothers me, and what I believe is drawing me back into this thread is the complete lack of rationality. My first post was to state my opinion, second was to look out for your interest, because you and buyer are now pissing a lot of people off (I will assume you are two different people for the sake of not knowing for a fact) and now, because you are looking for a fight. Ok, you opened the thread saying BCB was blackmailing you. Alright, you post your proof, people have their own opinions. Whatever. BCB then publicly says, stop with this nonsense, and it will be over if you close the thread. All you have to do is stop posting in his threads, this doesn't need to escalate, but you refuse even though it is an entirely rational compromise. In the pms you posted, in BCB's initial "blackmail" he says stop trolling my threads, stop pming me OR I WILL.... That leaves me with the impression that you provoked him to "threaten you." So in conclusion, you are a confrontational person and are just looking for a fight for the sake of looking for a fight. You are playing the victim here, when in fact, you did provoke him (why else would he lead his "threat" with stop trolling my threads and stop pming me, if you had not done so) and if you were not a confrontational person, you would have ended the thread pages ago when BCB explicitly stated,
 
The last and final hint is this


You have changed the point of the thread from, BCB is a bad guy who is extorting me, to I'm the protector of the innocent, and I am righteous because I'm looking out for others. If BCB had scammed you, you would have brought that up first and foremost. What you are doing now is trying to convince yourself that you are not just trying to pick a fight, you are protecting others from this bad bad man who is "blackmailing" you, because you are annoying him. When you say, "It involved blackmail.  That may mean nothing to you but where I live that is some serious shit." If it was really that serious to you or if you were worried in the least bit, you would have worked out a deal with BCB to end the entire situation, rather than further provoking him to post what ever info he has.

And just for a final note in a more calm tone, I completely assure you I'm not ganging up on you because you are you. I'm posting because this single thread is irritating me, I honestly have no different impression of you personally because you made one stupid thread, I just hope you will read through the entire thing once again, and take BCB up on his offer to settle your differences, even if that just means avoiding each other.

edit* Sorry I forgot to mention, I too am a confrontational person, so the behavior is incredibly obvious to me, what you are doing is something that I would do if I was pissed off, and didn't take a minute to stop typing and preview my posts in order to neutralize them a bit

Also, @ Viceroy and Buyer, I know I made a statement against you a few minutes ago so I'm sure you are reluctant to read anything else I have to say, but something actually just came to mind that I figured I'd bring up for you two to ponder. Do you really think threatening to get the Gov involved in shutting down a BTC business will really win you favor in a public Bitcointalk thread on a forum filled with anarchists and libertarians? Thats like bragging about being a snitch in prison, the only difference being, in prison after someone shanks you, they are going to get caught. Bitcoin people are scary, they have anonymity on their side, check out the hidden wiki if you haven't already and seriously think about reprocussions that could occur because of this thread, be it physical, or just people messing with you. Also, I'm personally not threatening you, because it does sort of sound like that as I reread this, but I did want to bring it to your attention. Even if no one got pissed off enough to at least mess with you, you still wont be winning anyone's favor publicly threatening to report a fairly respected bitcoin business to the authorities, ficen, or whatever.

Kind of reminds me about that story about the guy in a taxi in Russia, and overheard the taxi driver threatening to kill Pirate40 on the phone.

I don't think its blackmail when you are threatening to kill the guy @buyer

its like someone pointing a gun at someone, and then when the victim says, "put the gun down or I'll stab you *as they pull out a knife*" and then the guy with the gun tries to get the victim sued for blackmailing. Legally speaking, extortion laws are actually much more strict than you would believe. First off, there can be no provocation. If you jam someone into a corner, and their only rational decision is to attempt to threaten / extort their way out, it isn't criminal. If you provoke the reaction, ex. you mess with BCB's threads repeatedly, he asks you to stop, you don't, and then he tells you to stop or else, its not extortion, its an ultimatum. Theres a bunch of odd little rules like that, I would advise looking into it yourself, and Viceroy/Buyer, I would say if you decided to take actions legally, as you keep threatening, I believe BCB would have a fairly solid counter-suit.

I'm not a lawyer or anything, but I've done some independent study about some law topics (mostly to impress a girl's father who was a lawyer) and I found a neat article about what is and isn't blackmail. I'll see if I can find it. Anyway, regardless of all of this, Viceroy, please stop with the frivolous threads. I know I know, if they annoy me, I don't have to read them, but your topics are like a car wreck involving a school bus and an oil transportation truck, you just can't look away.

*sits back, watches, and cringes*

edit* forgot to mention, this is U.S law, if the two of your are off somewhere else, disregard my input

Not a bad idea at all, I've opened up a thread on the Staff section about issues with the self moderation system (people being able to edit mods) I'd be happy to add that suggestion to the thread (accredited to you of course)

although it could go either way, its one of those decisions that you have to make, do you penalize the people who aren't going to abuse the system to hit the people who are? If you look at general crypto/libertarian philosophy, the answer tends to be no.

Self Moderated threads can be incredibly useful for legitimate business owners, or service providers to eliminate unnecessary spam. For example, if someone wanted to create a thread about a new Litecoin service, it could be spammed by 20 people who don't like Litecoin. In that case, deleting their posts is completely necessary, or the comments could lead to arguments and further thread derailment. Although there is potential for abuse, they are more beneficial far more often than not.

However, I brought to attention the fact that moderator posts can be edited or deleted in Self Moderated threads, hopefully that will get cleared up.

Yes, I issued him a scam warning, and he deleted it. So I trashed his thread, and he is now upset posting obscene images. The Banning will commence in 3... 2... 1... special thanks go out to Maged.

When I issue a scam warning, you will not delete that post and carry on. I do appreciate that you brought to my attention that self moderated threads are able to edit and delete moderator posts. I will be seeing if I can get that fixed.

This topic has been moved to Trashcan.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=244124.0

Anyone who is into precious metals will tend to know how much it is going for, and those that aren't but just want a coin can google "Silver price" and it will come up without any hassle. Keep in mind, there is a big difference between spot price, and mint price. Generic silver coins from recognized mints, tend to go for a few dollars over the actual cost of the metal, you are paying for the company that mints it's overhead, as well as cost to produce the coins or bars. There are also collectors silver coins and bars that sell for much more. I've actually bought a few collectors coins for as much as a 400% premium, and then made profit on them. Its up to the buyer to determine whether or not they think its worth the collector value, or the personal value to order. I will probably order at least one, just to own (and I like silver so thats a plus).

If you are still not convinced, look at how much the silver Cas coins are going for. They sure aren't selling for spot value.


TLDR: People are free to judge for themselves whether or not added premium cost is justified. Junk silver sells for spot price, pretty coins and collectors items sell with a higher premium.

Litecoin was one of the first alt coins to be created, but using scrypt and a few other minor differences like conf time, total amount of coins, etc. The reason LTC is where it is now, is because of how it was released. It was a bunch of Bitcoin users in IRC bouncing ideas off of each other, and figuring out how they wanted to deal with things, so early Litecoin had the support of the Bitcoin community more or less, so it was allowed to grow to where it is now. What really seems to separate the "scam coins" from the coins with at least some hope, is

A) How they are released. If there is a premine, the likelihood of success drops significantly, although minor success has been had with premine and then using those premined coins for bounties
B) The Dev team. In the case of Solidcoin, the idea was innovative, and almost solid, but the dev rubbed people the wrong way. Picked fights with Bitcoin, abrasive in general.
C) Transparency, the majority of coins that have done well were release well ahead of time, so there wasn't a group of insiders who began mining the day it went public, a week before anyone knew about it

Although people don't think about it much, Solidcoin did compete with Bitcoins during the earlier days to a sort of significant amount. Solidcoin introduced the concept of funds showing up to your wallet as soon as they were sent, but just showing as 0 confirms, something that was adopted by Bitcoin shortlyish after.

Altcoins are somewhat useful, or the ones with some sort of innovation anyway, because features eventually get added to Bitcoin, or if they have no significant features the coins tend to die. I remember pre solidcoin, buying Bitcoins from this Pirate40 guy on BTC-OTC with Moneypak, and having to wait 20 minutes before knowing if he had even sent the BTC or if I was out $200, a feature that killed bitcoins for me, for a little while anyway.

I feel sorry for the doctors that are caring for him. Imagine the pressure of trying to repeatedly heal an elderly global icon, especially when he keeps slipping into critical condition.