What is a State? What is a foreign State, like Saudi Arabia?

States are simply states of mind. Sometimes they are written down, like the U.S. Constitution, and the various Constitutions of the various American States. Why are they written down? So that the people can maintain a "correct" State attitude.

States, themselves do nothing. It is always people who do something.

Saudi Arabia did nothing regarding 9/11. It was some people who did it. Some of the people may have held in their minds the writings of the State of Saudi Arabia. It was still people that did it.

The thing that we do not know about Obama is, is the State of America or the State of Saudi Arabia strongest in his heart? Same said about Bush or anyone else.

Ever heard of boxing and wrestling? People all over the world watch boxing and wrestling on TV. Or they take part in it by doing it.

Many people join the military for the purpose of "legally killing" other people.

You are mistaken.

Does God exist? Science and nature have proven, or show, that God exists. God knows that He exists. The person who says God does not exists, is claiming to have greater knowledge than God. The only way to be greater than God is to be a greater god. The person is setting himself up as god by claiming to know more than God.

This means that atheists are destroying their whole atheism religion by claiming it to be true.

And you believed it.   

1. There always is regulation of sorts, even in a free economy.

2. All governments are companies. One person is not capable of ruling many without help. Thus, a company.

3. The United States government company was set up in ways to keep the government, itself, from becoming an overbearing company. It has worked to a great extent, because of the wisdom of the founding fathers. But it has, also, not worked in many ways because of their foolishness.

4. At the time of the founding of the U.S. gov., everyone understood the 12-person, common law jury. The thing that can keep the U.S. gov. company from becoming more overbearing than it is, is an informed people (the Internet is helping with this) and knowledge of jury nullification.

5. What is jury nullification? It is the ability of the common law jury to determine the outcome and the law of every case brought before it. For example, if the IRS brings a case against me for not filing or paying, and I require the common law jury, they have the right to:
A. Find me guilt on any or all counts;
B. Make me pay any amount;
C. Find the IRS guilty on all counts;
D. Make the IRS pay me any amount;
E. Completely nullify the IRS regarding me in the particular case.
The IRS could appeal, and the trial might have to be done over, but the new jury could do the same as the old.

6. Most people in prison are people who have done no crime, or have done such a petty crime that it was insignificant. Many are there through plea deal, when they could have been set free if:
A. There had been a jury trial...
B. With an informed jury that knew about jury nullification...
C. But rather than an informed-jury trial, they were talked into making a plea deal by their attorney...
D. Who is an officer of the court with first allegiance to the court rather than to his client.


If you really want regulation without overbearing regulation, there are two major things for you to do:
1. Learn about and inform everyone about jury nullification;
2. Support your friends and relatives who are informed jury people, because if they bring a verdict of freedom that is against a big company or the government, these entities will harm the families of the jury that goes against them.

So you see? Grapes of Wrath is still going on today. It simply has a different form.

A good start to understanding what this is all about is to fully learn the stuff at http://voidjudgments.com/.



EDIT: Btw, from http://voidjudgments.com/detailsvoid.htm, "IF EVERY VOID JUDGMENT WAS VACATED WITH DAMAGES, IT WOULD REPRESENT THE GREATEST SHIFT IN MATERIAL WEALTH IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!"

Gotta have the legals. More and more Americans are legally avoiding taxation.

Income tax return amounts are the determining factor for how much Uncle Sam gets to borrow from the Federal Reserve Bank.

Need the legals so that we have more people who are convinced that they have to file returns and maybe even pay taxes... just so government can keep on borrowing from the Fed. It's the way things are set up.

Did you notice who I was replying to? He barely understands when I speak his language. Let's take this a step at a time, so that he (and you, too?) can understand.

You feel that you can make choices. Sometimes you do make choices. The fact that those choices are programmed into the universe for you, doesn't detract from the fact that you feel that you make choices. Choose God, and the choice will have been programmed into the universe for you.

Do you see how blessed you are? Neither God, nor even I, am forcing you to see the evidence and proof so that you just have to believe.

The thing that we are doing is giving and showing you all kinds of places you can go to, and all kinds of topics that you can search on, so that you can see the evidence and proof for your self.

The choice is yours for now. However, at the judgment you will no longer have a choice regarding realizing that God exists. You will be forced to understand that God exists. You will be forced by the strength of Spirit that God is, to face Him Spirit to spirit. At that time there will be no doubt on your part. As you do not believe in Him now, so you will not believe in Him then. You will know.

Words are reasonably easy for both of us in this life. So, they don't mean much. At the time of the resurrection and the final judgment, you will remember how I warned you.

Why wouldn't there be an infinity of cause and effect? After all, that is the only thing that we have found so far. Cause and effect seems to be penetrating throughout the whole earth and the few things that we can view in the cosmos. We have not found any pure random for a fact.


Is there such a thing as a single sex species outside of a few microbes? You don't see any single-sex jiggle hogs in the grasslands, or bangle bears in the woods, or bimble birds flying around in the skies. They are all male and female. If evolution existed, there would be some of these single sex "things" right in the back yard.

Why would nature stick to double sex? It is inefficient and illogical.



We have found nothing that makes itself. Entropy shows us that the universe had a beginning. Before there was the universe, there was the Thing that made (created) it. God had to be outside of the universe to have made it... to have given it a beginning.

Let's say you build a garage. Before you build it, there is no garage, right? Then you build the garage. While you are building it, you are inside of it part of the time to build it. You are outside of it part of the time to build it. Once it is finished, you can walk inside or outside of it... provided you left a door for yourself, that is.

Same said for God in the universe. We don't have evidence of it being any other way.

It doesn't matter how I explain the proof that science gives for the existence of God. You simply aren't interested in hearing it, or in thinking it through. You both are stuck in your atheism religion, and you like it that way. If you weren't stuck, or didn't like it, you would go out and examine science and nature to see that God really does exist.

The other idea is that you know that God exists, and are simply fighting Him.

I agree that there is more to it than what standard science says. We could get into all kinds of pseudo science about this. But, standard science still says that there isn't really any soul or even spirit. Science could be wrong. It has been many times in the past. So, in the "spirit" of science, cause and effect rule in everything. There is no pure random.



Now you are suggesting we should talk about some aspects of religion. The question is "Is science a religion?"

Consider. If evolution is real, why did it go to all the trouble of making two sexes? Why not have just one "sex" propagate itself? We might be able to list all kinds of reasons either way. But we should be able to at least find a multitude of single sex and tri-sex families that are as large as the two-sex family. Is evolution wrong? Did nature goof?

We don't feel like biological robots. Does this make it so that we aren't? My point has always been that there is a God, that there is purpose, that science is moving into the realm of religion among people.

To say it simply, we don't really have a concept for how something can make itself if it can. Such a concept is not part of our universe. This doesn't mean that there is not something outside of the universe. All it means is that it would be so different that even the word "different" wouldn't apply.



Proof for God

Everything operates by the fundamental law of cause and effect, which is upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. This means that even your synapses in your brain fire because of things that made them fire. We don't have free will scientifically speaking. The thing that looks like free will is programming through cause and effect. This is scientific law.

Complexity is worldwide. All the scientists, and almost everyone else, know it. The things that we see about the rest of the universe show complexity as well. So far, the complexity is beyond our understanding. Whatever caused this complexity must have been more complex.

Entropy is universal. Entropy is scientific. This means that there must have been a beginning of everything. If there was no beginning, that is, if everything had always been, entropy suggests that everything would have dispersed and diffused long ago, so that there would be no complexity whatever.

In other words, Something caused a beginning time. That something caused all the complexity. That Something was far more complex than anything that we understand - consider how deeply complex cause and effect is and how it is withstanding entropy's dissolution. That Something fits our definition of "God."



We see no evidence in the universe of anything making itself without something else causing it.



There is no scientific evidence that we grow in any way without cause and effect making us grow the way we do. In other words, everything, even our maturing, and our intelligence, and our thinking, are all pre-programmed.

The universe contains the idea of "making." "Making" is or has to do with the cause and effect idea. It is in everything. That is the reason why we consider it so deeply. We and our universe are filled with the idea of making. The question is, does this have to necessarily do with God?

God might have used the idea of "making" in part of the universe making. And we might see some of the aspects of God, Himself, within the universe. But since God is outside of the universe and before it, He is almost necessarily going to have attributes that are not of this universe, and might not be understandable.

For example, consider the idea of reverse entropy... where things do not wear out or coalesce or disperse. Consider the idea of bubbling energy that is naturally constantly growing in ways that we can't understand, because that is its nature. Our universe isn't like this. But we can almost imagine what it might be like a little.

Also, consider real random. From a basic scientific standpoint, everything that exists, does so by something - or many things - causing it to exist the way it does. For example, why does an electron move in a copper wire? Because it was bumped by another electron. Or because a magnetic field pressed against its magnetic field. Something caused it to move.

Yet, we have the idea of random in our lives. We use it to "guess at" stuff that is outside of our realm of observation. For example, when we flip a coin, we don't know/can't measure the forces that act on it to make it land heads or tails. So, we do a bunch of flips in approximately the same way, and measure the average.

Pure random is something that we can envision slightly, but really can't understand. Why not God? After all, we aren't even close to understanding all about the universe that He created. Why would we think that we might be able to understand much of anything about Him?

Hey, man. I stopped making BS claims years ago. It's your turn now.   

Now now. Since that claim can't be found, what are you really trying to say? That atheists don't set themselves up as gods, against the true God that science and nature have proven to exist?

Since you haven't refuted the scientific proof that God exists, yet seem to be making the adamant claim that the scientific proof isn't there, you prove that you have a religion going for yourself, simply by your belief.

I could be wrong, of course. I have no real evidence you are human. And if you are not human, maybe you don't need religion like all the humans do.

Just because you state that the definition of religion doesn't include atheism, doesn't mean that it doesn't. However, all kinds of people believe all kinds of things. So, you are certainly welcome to continue on with your belief, whatever it might be.

Since there are many people who show how the definition of religion fits atheism (simply Google "atheism religion"), and since it is basically only the atheists who are adamantly against this idea, atheism is definitely a religion of the atheists.

Just because you choose to not understand, or to hide the fact that you DO understand, doesn't make my statement to not be logically valid. However, for you, I will clarify.

People who have faith that God exists, while at the same time don't understand the scientific proof that God exists, and don't have a view of nature sufficient to know that God exists, have God simply by their faith.

Atheists formally and outwardly claim God to not exists, but by doing this they are setting themselves up as gods, thereby nullifying their claim by making their claim.

Of course, then their are those who know that God exists by viewing the scientific proof, or by viewing nature.

The point is, everybody knows that God/god exists in one form or another.