....But even if this was the actual case I would still vote for Biden knowing his VP would be somebody other than Trump.
This is true of both candidates. It makes sense if you read what he said before that: His only hope of winning now is to paint Biden as being bedridden with end-stage dementia. Frankly, it seems to be working to a certain degree. But even if this was the actual case I would still vote for Biden knowing his VP would be somebody other than Trump. |
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Do you believe that Flynn was being paid by Turkey in 2016 while he was lobbying American politicians to support Turkey in 2016?
Do you believe he did not register as a foreign agent until March 2017?
Do you think it's ethical to lobby for another country that's paying you without being transparent about the fact you're getting paid? (On bitcointalk we call that shilling.)
Do you believe it would be wrong to make false statements when filing for FARA? If so, I'll explain the false statements he made if you need.
So you have some things that you think are illegal, that make Flynn a BAD GUY, and these are different than what he was convicted of? He was convicted of "lying to the FBI." After plea bargaining guilty. WTF? He accepted the plea deal so that he wouldn't be charged with all the crimes he committed. |
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Anyone is free to choose the origin of this dis ease.
A: Laboratory created
B: bat -> other animal + HIV sequences -> human SARS-CoV-2
C: Aluminium in the body from air pollution, vaccines....... + microwaves busts (5G)
D: Total hoax
Trick question! Scientist have ruled all of those out. Nice try. |
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How predictable you are. I knew you were going to jump on this like a bitch in heat. One question, what interest do they have in making a public disclosure about the modified nature of the virus when they themselves were funding the gain of function research? Why would they directly expose themselves to liability? Furthermore, what are the implications of publicly disclosing that China intentionally used a bio-weapon on the rest of the world? I mean, he has quite the history of spreading lies and conspiracy theories about his enemies. And it's pretty clear that he's going to be playing the "China is trying to help Biden win, don't let China win! Vote for Trump!" card... It does take a rocket surgeon to figure out why he's planting the Chinese bio weapon seed. Also, he's gotta make sure the country trusts his intelligence agencies as little as possible. Intelligence Community Statement on Origins of COVID-19
WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Office of the Director of National Intelligence today issued the following Intelligence Community (IC) statement:
“The entire Intelligence Community has been consistently providing critical support to U.S. policymakers and those responding to the COVID-19 virus, which originated in China. The Intelligence Community also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified.
“As we do in all crises, the Community’s experts respond by surging resources and producing critical intelligence on issues vital to U.S. national security. The IC will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.” https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/item/2112-intelligence-community-statement-on-origins-of-covid-19
the modified nature of the virus nope. "The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 <===actual source "The new coronavirus was not man-made, study shows" https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/the-new-coronavirus-was-not-genetically-engineered-study-shows |
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HUR DUR I'mma pretend like I don't know what plea bargaining is The federal conviction rate is 98%. If you are being charged you WILL be convicted, right or wrong. These charges are manufactured process crimes, and more evidence of this fact is exposed every day in spite of your willful ignorance of this fact. Of course you cling to this totally dismissed desperate effort to push this failed narrative because the democrat party can not win by any legitimate means. As expected, it never stops, accusation after accusation, each one getting more strained and senseless than the last, as they are all proven to be pathetic political ploys one by one. Your party's desperation to save its own ass from prosecution will be the fibers wound into the rope used hang them with. Do you think Flynn violated the Foreign Agent Registration Act? |
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 Now you show in the document you presented, where are the CRIMES THAT HE COMMITTED that he lied about?
Or was the crime the crime of lying? Big difference here.
He was being paid by Turkey to lobby the US gov on their behalf. He didn't file as a foreign agent within 10 days (felony), and when he did file 4 months later after he got caught, he lied on the Foreign Agent application and didn't include things that were required by law to include (felony). Let's see the court transcript and the supporting evidence, including full transcripts of the source documents. There is a HUGE amount of very suspicious behavior in this case, and I will give you a hint. It's not on Flynn's side. I don't think you understand. He pled guilty. There was no trial. The only court transcripts would be of him pleading guilty, and (almost) getting sentenced where the judge basically asked him a bunch of times "are you sure? do you understand what's happening? do you understand there's no take backs?" I don't think you understand. This is what's called plea bargaining. There certainly is evidence and there are transcripts. Those would have been presented early in the process. In the American legal system plea bargaining is much abused. Routinely, innocent people are put in jail for 3-5 years, being pressured to not go to trial as the DA says he will then seek the maximum term. Plea bargaining guilty is not actually guilty, so please do not act like it is. This case is not over, and my prediction is Flynn will be free, as he should be. I suggest you move on to stronger issues, but if you want to defend the government's handling of this matter, go to it. I'm not defending the government. All I'm saying is that with all the focus on Russia, impeachment and the FBI acting shady people are just assuming Flynn is innocent. He's not. Michael Flynn is a convicted felon, but if people that reach a deal and plead guilty is not actually guilty let's just talk basic ethics here. He wrote this op-ed on 2016 election day: Our ally Turkey is in crisis and needs our supportAt the time Flynn was widely respected as a retired 3 Star General and part of the Trump Campaign. Here's his Foreign Agent Registration Filing: https://efile.fara.gov/docs/6406-Supplemental-Statement-20170307-1.pdfNotice how it was filed in March 2017?  Do you believe that Flynn was being paid by Turkey in 2016 while he was lobbying American politicians to support Turkey in 2016? Do you believe he did not register as a foreign agent until March 2017? Do you think it's ethical to lobby for another country that's paying you without being transparent about the fact you're getting paid? (On bitcointalk we call that shilling.) Do you believe it would be wrong to make false statements when filing for FARA? If so, I'll explain the false statements he made if you need. |
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Now you show in the document you presented, where are the CRIMES THAT HE COMMITTED that he lied about?
Or was the crime the crime of lying? Big difference here.
He was being paid by Turkey to lobby the US gov on their behalf. He didn't file as a foreign agent within 10 days (felony), and when he did file 4 months later after he got caught, he lied on the Foreign Agent application and didn't include things that were required by law to include (felony). Let's see the court transcript and the supporting evidence, including full transcripts of the source documents. There is a HUGE amount of very suspicious behavior in this case, and I will give you a hint. It's not on Flynn's side. I don't think you understand. He pled guilty. There was no trial. The only court transcripts would be of him pleading guilty, and (almost) getting sentenced where the judge basically asked him a bunch of times "are you sure? do you understand what's happening? do you understand there's no take backs?"
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Now you show in the document you presented, where are the CRIMES THAT HE COMMITTED that he lied about?
Or was the crime the crime of lying? Big difference here.
He was being paid by Turkey to lobby the US gov on their behalf. He didn't file as a foreign agent within 10 days (felony), and when he did file 4 months later after he got caught, he lied on the Foreign Agent application and didn't include things that were required by law to include (felony). Funny, with how much weight they are putting on what Flynn said, there is no actual transcript of what he actually said included. Interesting huh? Yeah, maybe his lawyer is part of the deep state and they kidnapped his kids or something to force him to sign the statement of offence and plea deal.  |
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My TDS makes me think Trump says whatever he thinks will make him look good (or his opponents look bad) with very little regard for the truth. Even at White House Press briefings during a national crisis.
Jan 22: "we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
Feb 19: “in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that’s a beautiful date to look forward to.” "We’re going very substantially down, not up."
Feb 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear”
Mar 7: “It’s got the world aflutter, but it’ll work out,”
Mar 11: WHO officially declares pandemic.
Mar 17: “I’ve always known this is a, this is a real, this is a pandemic. I’ve felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic. All you had to do is look at other countries. ... No, I’ve always viewed it as very serious.”
Trump cutoff travel from China in January, and this is probably what he is referring to when he says he was taking it seriously. On Jan 20 and Jan 22, the WHO said there was human to human transmission of the Wuhan virus, however, before that, they were saying this was not the case. I am not sure of the timing of Trump's Jan 22 statement and the WHO statements on the same date. China did not let the US CDC inside Wuhan to get a better understanding of the virus, and as a result, the rest of the world, including Trump had a difficult time gauging the seriousness of the Wuhan virus. The Wuhan virus is not going to be here forever. I can assure you that if Trump loses the election, it will be declared safe to open up the economy the day after the election. Unless the virus mutates enough, once you recover from the Wuhan virus, you are immune from the virus, as is the case for all viruses. (if you get the flu multiple times, this is because you have caught multiple strands of the flu). Trump, like all other politicians, will try to shine everything in a positive light for themselves. I would point out the US's worst mayor encouraged people to visit New York theaters on a March 5 show, and 11 days after the show he encouraged New Yorkers to watch, he described the coronavirus situation as "war-like". Some of the people who got infected from going to the March 5 show had probably not yet started showing symptoms. There are other examples of prominent democrats encouraging people to go out in public in crowded areas around the same time. I'm not going to disagree with any of that *(I also think de Blasio is an idiot), but I think it's a mistake to judge a leaders response to a mystery virus in Jan by what the virus ends up doing in April since the decision they make has to be based on the information at the time it's made. The optimal decision (which has to be theoretical) will always be selfless and not influenced by any emotion. It's entirely possible to make the theoretically correct decision in Jan and end up being completely wrong due to some variable that was impossible to account for. It's also possible to make the right decision for all the wrong reasons. The point I was trying to make is that I think Trump is more focused on coming out of this with the appearance of making the right decision than actually making it. *"Trump, like all other politicians, will try to shine everything in a positive light for themselves." Not a false statement, depending on what 'everything' means - but come on now, he takes it to a whole new level.
Will give you some attention later - grown ups are talking now. |
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Thought for a second that you were calling me TecShare and got a bit confused.
I think the end goal for this guy is to be able to get out of this and to say that the FBI was against him the whole time in a biased way, and that he was never wrong at all. Maybe he'll try to clear his name to be able to start up another consulting company (and this time follow the law)
No idea. No idea what the hell is going on here. Give it a few days and the news will tell us some story.....lol.
Na, but Tecshare seems to be buying into the whole 'gotcha' mentality that most of the right wing media is pushing right now. I mean yeah, FBI fucked up. And yeah maybe Flynn will get off bc of it. But treating the guy like a victim because 'they didn't tell me it would be illegal to lie to the fbi about crimes I committed'...really? CONSPIRACY SITES! CONSPIRACY SITES! RIGHT WING MEDIA! SWAAAAWK! It is pretty pathetic how much you rely on character attacks. If the FBI interviews me and I tell them I ate a ham sandwich at 12:15, and it was really at 12:18, I can be charged with perjury against the FBI. If I tell them I put mustard on it and it was really mayo, that is another perjury charge. This is a well known strategy the FBI uses to railroad people when they have no evidence to support other charges. This was a political prosecution for a process crime. Of course people like you prefer to reject reality and substitute your own as long as it confirms your bias. It amazes me with such tiny nuts how you still have the balls to still try to support this Russia collusion delusion after everything that has come out. Do you think Flynn did these things: https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download |
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With regards to risk analysis, its a game of balancing the risk and reward. The convenience of motor vehicles is something we've agreed is worth taking the risk of dying in a car crash, but we wear seat belts and strive for higher safety engineering. The cost of wearing a seat belt is something close to zero. The cost of closing the economy is far above zero and is costing lives (and livelihoods), and it may not even be effective. The lockdowns were not intended to prevent the majority of coronavirus deaths, they were intended to spread out coronavirus deaths, and to prevent deaths resulting from an overwhelmed healthcare system. The healthcare system is currently vastly underwhelmed. You brought up an interesting point about the asymptomatic thing. On one hand, we may consider ourselves lucky that Covid doesn't have the 35% mortality rate of MERS. On the other hand, when you catch the flu, you know within a day or two and are then on your couch eating soup until you're feeling better. With Covid, you're running around feeling fine exposing other people who may or may not end up feeling fine. You could go out for a jog and then go chat with Grandma or little Timmy, and then they've croaked. The death statistics are important, but the hospitalization rate is also incredibly important. Assuming medical care is available, its not cheap. The things that put you in the high risk category for Covid aren't just rare lung diseases or being 97 years old. They're things like obesity, asthma, high blood pressure, and diabetes, things that effect more than 50% of Americans. There are essentially four outcomes with Covid, either you are asymptomatic and don't get sick at all, you get a really shitty but not life threatening two week illness, you end up in the hospital with a mountain of medical bills, or you die (and still wrack up medical bills). Three out of four of those are bad options, and option #1 isn't fantastic either for the sake of spread of contagion. As discussed above, the lockdowns are not intended to prevent everyone from getting the coronavirus, only delay people from getting it. Most people have had health insurance, but less so today because millions have lost their jobs that typically provide health insurance benefits. In 2018, the percentage of Americans without health insurance was about 7.75% (assuming a population of 360mm), but this probably went down in 2019/early 2020 due to job and wage gains. Every decision we will ever make is based on predictions. We predicted and are still predicting the effects of Covid, time will tell how things end up, but its typically better to contain the problem rather than try to deal with it later if its possible to at all. This depends on the costs. Trying to contain the problem is going to cost lives over the long run. I'd have to look at a lot of data before making a statement about empty hospitals, that hasn't been my experience, but I'm also looking at the mid Atlantic to northeast corridor, not the country as a whole in depth. We've got fancy statistics here on hospital capacity, death demographics and all sorts of other interesting things if you'd like to take a look. https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/In Maryland, there are about 1,600 people in the hospital for with coronavirus. This is out of about 9,400 hospital beds in MD, and is below the surge capacity of the hospitals themselves without state or federal government assistance. Ah, quick final thought, its a prediction that having covid right now will leave you immune next month.
Recovering from a virus will leave you immune for at least a period of time. As previously discussed, the lockdowns are intended to slow the spread, not stop it. Once between 60-70% or so of the population is immune to a disease(due to vaccination or otherwise), its transmission will stop due to herd immunity. Under a very poor case scenario, if immunity from recovering from the virus lasts less than the time it takes for 60% of the population to get and recover from the virus, the population will never get herd immunity without a vaccine that is not guaranteed to come. On the topic of vaccines, if the world continues to be on lockdown, there will be intense pressure for drug companies to present their proposed vaccine as safe and effective, and governments will be under great pressure to approve vaccines. This could result in vaccines being approved after some corners are cut, which could result in not good outcomes. I think there's a misconception that the reason the world is locking down is to save lives because it's sad when people die. In reality it really is all about the economy. When the death rate increases exponentially long enough from a mystery virus that has no cure or vaccine, it's bad for the economy. The reason the economy is shut down right now, is not simply to save lives - it's to protect the economy. If we do too little, and the virus ends up being near the worst case scenario, it takes decades to recover economically, or maybe we just don't - especially if other countries do enough. Pretty much every single argument I've heard that was against the lock down just ignores the worst case scenario and just focuses on how small of a population is actually dying or at risk of dying. |
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Thought for a second that you were calling me TecShare and got a bit confused.
I think the end goal for this guy is to be able to get out of this and to say that the FBI was against him the whole time in a biased way, and that he was never wrong at all. Maybe he'll try to clear his name to be able to start up another consulting company (and this time follow the law)
No idea. No idea what the hell is going on here. Give it a few days and the news will tell us some story.....lol.
Na, but Tecshare seems to be buying into the whole 'gotcha' mentality that most of the right wing media is pushing right now. I mean yeah, FBI fucked up. And yeah maybe Flynn will get off bc of it. But treating the guy like a victim because 'they didn't tell me it would be illegal to lie to the fbi about crimes I committed'...really? |
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The Flynn thing is interesting.
If you purger yourself during a guilty plea, and the guilty plea is part of a plea deal to avoid much more serious crimes, and then you get everything thrown out....he's going to face charges for the crimes he actually committed right? And not get any credit for all the cooperation.
I mean, we know Turkey was paying him when he wrote that op-ed. And we know he lied on his financial disclosures. And we know he didn't register as foreign agent till he got caught...and that's one item on a list of many things...
What is his play here? Are people really going to rally around him and claim exoneration because he wasn't told not to lie to the FBI?
Was reading some broadstrokes of the politico article regarding all of this, and it all looks a bit weird. Here's one of the quotes that I grabbed that was a bit weird from one of the FBI officials: “What is our goal? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?” the notes read. That just sounds a bit weird. I know that it is a common goal of investigators to ask you questions that they already know the answer to, it just comes off a bit weird to me. I think that Flynn is praying that the new Justice Department under the lead of William Barr will be a bit friendly towards him. I know Barr has a taskforce setup to investigate the investigation of Barr to see if there was any wrongdoing, still ongoing. Check out his guilty plea: https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/downloadI take back the perjury statement earlier...it doesn't seem like he's actually claiming innocent (I could be wrong). I don't get how there is such a huge rally around the guy. I mean, I get he was a huge asset to the military...but he obviously broke the law, admitted it and took a deal that very likely would result in no jail time. Am I missing something Tecshare? Do you think he's actually innocent? Or just not care that he's guilty since you share political views? |
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The Flynn thing is interesting.
If you purger yourself during a guilty plea, and the guilty plea is part of a plea deal to avoid much more serious crimes, and then you get everything thrown out....he's going to face charges for the crimes he actually committed right? And not get any credit for all the cooperation.
I mean, we know Turkey was paying him when he wrote that op-ed. And we know he lied on his financial disclosures. And we know he didn't register as foreign agent till he got caught...and that's one item on a list of many things...
What is his play here? Are people really going to rally around him and claim exoneration because he wasn't told not to lie to the FBI?
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Been reading a good amount about the massive $2.2 trillion stimulus package. People are praising Congress for getting it done so quickly, as it is pretty crazy they were able to agree on something like this so swiftly. The issue is in what really matters, which is the execution of the bill itself.
The big part of the stimulus package was the Paycheck Protection Loan (PPL) which has been under fire recentley for giving too much freedom to the banks to not be equal in their processing of applications. In simple terms, banks were processing the applications of their wealthier clients first. There's also the issue of big companies receiving the PPL, when small businesses were heavily left behind.
Real shit show.
And then Trump and Mnuchin acted surprised and offended that rich people would dare take as much free federal money as the rules allowed. That's going to be funny scene in a movie one day. |
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2017..."new" It is also a report from the very people responsible for the crimes. Very reliable.
My bad, I only linked the original report. (I edited it) The Senate intelligence committee (Republican Run) just finished their review of the 2017 intelligence report and turns out it was all good. |
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Do you have problems with reading comprehension, are you too lazy to source your material, or are you intentionally avoiding providing citations and context for what you present? I say a little bit of all three.
I'm assuming this is most likely true, as I can see Trump saying it, but can we have a link here to this quote? Kinda just want to read / watch this interview and see went on here.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-tour-centers-disease-control-prevention-atlanta-ga/What's with the demands for sources when you can just google a few keywords (uncle mit cdc trump) and you get a bunch of sources from CNN to the White House itself... do you guys really think Twitchy made it up? Only Trump can make this kind of shit up, Twitchy can't hold a candle to his stable genius  I was actually worried myself I made it up or took it out of context since I suffer from TDS. I'm glad someone else saw the same thing I saw, maybe my TDS is improving....wait....have you been tested for TDS? It's possible we both have it and none of this is real. Fuck. |
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Do you understand why and how he's 'reducing the population'? That line is being taken out of context like crazy by anti-vax community. Probably not intentionally by most, but you should listen to what he says instead of having someone else explain it to you.
I know exactly what he's saying. And the best part is that he is familiar with the reports on polio, malaria and human papillomavirus vaccines that were developed with support from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Are we both talking about the problem in Africa where the mortality rate was so high that it became normal for a couple that wanted to raise three or four children to have 7 or 8 since most likely a bunch of them would die young? These are the people he's trying to get healthcare to which is the first step to getting out of poverty. |
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I understand your views on vaccines. I'm curious though, do you think Bill Gates is genuinely trying to do good and help the world? Or do you think it's all an act and he has some master plan and doesn't really give a shit about the people he 'helps'.
If he wanted to help humanity, he would not have been involved in vaccines, but would have channelled his development funds into other areas. Instead of reducing the world's population, we all need to look for alternative sources of energy and avoid pollution. Do you understand why and how he's 'reducing the population'? That line is being taken out of context like crazy by anti-vax community. Probably not intentionally by most, but you should listen to what he says instead of having someone else explain it to you. |
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