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3181  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 04, 2014, 12:33:44 PM
Bitcoin logic 101:

Reality:  5,000 BTC sold at market, tanking the price by $15.

What a Bitcoiner sees:
...
I might be dumbing this a bit too much down for myself, but I am just happy somebody wants to buy a huge amount of coins around the current price...
3182  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 04, 2014, 12:19:01 PM
meh, you are helpless. unable to even respond on the subject, always diverging to some stupid ad hominem attacks, making you feel smarter when the only fucked up mind is see here i you. trolling nonstop on a forum. get a life.
anyway, you wanted it now you have it: IGNORE.

No more time for debate.  Too late for idle chatter.
Those who still have ears to hear, hear this!

3183  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 04, 2014, 12:16:19 PM


So tell me again how this auction is going to bolster prices
3184  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 04, 2014, 12:10:28 PM
^Relax for now, hdbuck.  Save your strength, dig a shelter, stock up on potable water.

3185  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 04, 2014, 12:05:37 PM
3186  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 04, 2014, 12:02:22 PM
The wall, she held!

3187  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 04, 2014, 11:20:29 AM
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Mates you wonder if the auction is real.. Roll Eyes

A rare glimpse into the mind of hdbuck.

Good morning, gentlemen.
3188  Economy / Speculation / Re: The new bearwhale: US Marshals on: December 04, 2014, 01:54:35 AM
I wish anonymous would step in and put in all their efforts combined to one way or another sabotage the auction and take hold of the bitcoin

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3189  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 03, 2014, 10:46:18 PM
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Why does it have to get a lot worse? There has been a nearly one year long bear market already. The price is barely a third of the previous high even now...

"This, indeed, is despair."--Soren Kierkegaard

*Seriously tho, you'll be just fine...
3190  Economy / Speculation / Re: The new bearwhale: US Marshals on: December 03, 2014, 10:01:50 PM
If the purchase is made off-exchange, how exactly would this auction directly affect the market?  It's not like the buyer is going to turn around immediately and dump the coins he just bought.

Why not?

The last auction's leaked list of potential bidders included people like Fred Ehrsam, co-founder, Coinbase. As coinbase has run out of bitcoins in the past he would be likely to want the silkroad bitcoins as a contingency backup in case the same thing happens again.

http://www.coindesk.com/list-possible-silk-road-bitcoin-bidders-allegedly-leaked-us-marshals/

The leaked list is not a list of bidders, but "... a list of some of the individuals who have asked a question or questions about the pending bitcoin auction."  Not that it matters much--as I understand it, there's no fee to bid, merely a security deposit.  In other words, the bidders risk nothing--no reason not to place a low bid on the off-chance of winning.

I'm not suggesting that it is metaphysically impossible for the winning bids to be above market price, simply that, in my opinion, it's improbable.  This shouldn't preclude your making your own conclusions Undecided
3191  Economy / Speculation / Re: The new bearwhale: US Marshals on: December 03, 2014, 09:09:39 PM
If the purchase is made off-exchange, how exactly would this auction directly affect the market?  It's not like the buyer is going to turn around immediately and dump the coins he just bought.

Why not?

So you're suggesting that the coins will auction for less than market value, taking slippage into account?

Slippage works both ways, buying and selling.  To avoid arguing the obvious, let's just say I'm in the majority.

see:  http://www.coindesk.com/citi-ross-ulbricht-bitcoins-likely-sell-discount-usms-auction/
and:  http://www.coindesk.com/usual-suspects-return-bid-latest-us-marshals-bitcoin-auction/
3192  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can Bitcoin do another 10x price increase? on: December 03, 2014, 08:41:24 PM
<spergings>



You'll be OK, fake fonzie.  Just hold on tight to your BTCeanie BTCabies Bitcoinz Cheesy
3193  Economy / Speculation / Re: The new bearwhale: US Marshals on: December 03, 2014, 08:19:59 PM
If the purchase is made off-exchange, how exactly would this auction directly affect the market?  It's not like the buyer is going to turn around immediately and dump the coins he just bought.

Why not?
3194  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can Bitcoin do another 10x price increase? on: December 03, 2014, 08:11:51 PM
,,,
Ignoring the fact that the original $5mil uncle story was as real as the one I made up, ...

Point made or not, the uncle has $5mil and you are just a poor schmuck that spends his ENTIRE day on a Bitcoin forum.


Some stupid response in 3...2....1....

Get back 2 digging ditches, or lrn 2 read Smiley



*Though your wacky antics will not convince anyone to keep holding this fail, they allow Bitcoin to continue being an excellent store of value.
Lel value Cool
3195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can Bitcoin do another 10x price increase? on: December 03, 2014, 07:46:03 PM
My uncle made 5 million dollars investing in a local casino back in the 90's.  He believed in the business model and saw the value.  He regularly bought more shares as the price went down for unknown reasons.  At one point, he was down 90% and the only reason he held was there wasn't much to sell relative to his original investment.  He rode this roller coaster for 10 years until finally they received a takeover bid from Penn gaming in early 2000's.  It was extremely stressful but paid off in the end.

Making big money is NOT EASY.  It takes time.  You must try to identify something of value and keep on investing and HODL!! If you cant take the risk, go buy Walmart stock or Alcoa and get 5-7% a year.  If you wait for Bitcoin to become a SAFE investment, the real money will have been made already.

To make REAL money, you NEED RISK.

My uncle made 5 million dollars investing in lottery tickets back in the 90's.  He believed in the business model and saw the value.  He regularly bought more lottery tickets as he continued losing for unknown reasons.  At one point, he was down 90% and the only reason he kept buying lottery tickets was his degenerate gambling addiction.  He rode this roller coaster for 10 years until finally he bough a winning lottery ticket in early 2000's.  It was extremely stressful but paid off in the end...
To make REAL money, you NEED RISK.


To make real money, you have to know what you're doing.  What you are describing is called "gambling," and is a great way to lose money.

Buying into a business (like a casino) because you see its potential to grow is completely different from buying lottery tickets, which have a pre-determined value that does not change over time.


Ignoring the fact that the original $5mil uncle story was as real as the one I made up, holding a clearly failing stock & doubling down is actually dumber than "investing" in lottery tickets.
Regardless of whether the "uncle" made $5mil, or lost it.
My point stands.
3196  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 03, 2014, 07:02:10 PM
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I have this "vision" of a Bitcoin "bank" that offers risk-free accounts denominated in USD with preferable interest rates that regular fiat banks can not compete with. If this "product" can be offered to mainstream people then Bitcoin will gain ground very, very quickly.

That you, Danny?
3197  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 03, 2014, 06:40:37 PM
where is TERA these dave?

Probably banned in the great bear purge of August/September.

Kristallnacht.  Nevar forget Cry
3198  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 03, 2014, 06:30:52 PM
.@octaft:  Exactly.  You're still fighting a war lost long ago!

3199  Economy / Speculation / Re: The new bearwhale: US Marshals on: December 03, 2014, 06:21:53 PM
How can you even think a auction would bring the price anywhere but down?!
Have you seen the art auctions lately?

US Marshals auctions possess the pomp and prestige so sorely lacking in Christie's and Sotheby's.
The fabulocity of being seen amongst society's creme de la creme is so worth the premium, dahling!



3200  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can Bitcoin do another 10x price increase? on: December 03, 2014, 05:29:24 PM
My uncle made 5 million dollars investing in a local casino back in the 90's.  He believed in the business model and saw the value.  He regularly bought more shares as the price went down for unknown reasons.  At one point, he was down 90% and the only reason he held was there wasn't much to sell relative to his original investment.  He rode this roller coaster for 10 years until finally they received a takeover bid from Penn gaming in early 2000's.  It was extremely stressful but paid off in the end.

Making big money is NOT EASY.  It takes time.  You must try to identify something of value and keep on investing and HODL!! If you cant take the risk, go buy Walmart stock or Alcoa and get 5-7% a year.  If you wait for Bitcoin to become a SAFE investment, the real money will have been made already.

To make REAL money, you NEED RISK.

My uncle made 5 million dollars investing in lottery tickets back in the 90's.  He believed in the business model and saw the value.  He regularly bought more lottery tickets as he continued losing for unknown reasons.  At one point, he was down 90% and the only reason he kept buying lottery tickets was his degenerate gambling addiction.  He rode this roller coaster for 10 years until finally he bough a winning lottery ticket in early 2000's.  It was extremely stressful but paid off in the end...
To make REAL money, you NEED RISK.


To make real money, you have to know what you're doing.  What you are describing is called "gambling," and is a great way to lose money.
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