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321  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: ICO vs STO. STO как новый глобальный тренд on: November 12, 2018, 06:51:58 PM
никто и не хоронит, просто выйдет из тренда
322  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Маржинальная торговля, ч1. Основы on: November 12, 2018, 06:50:17 PM
Другие мои посты о маржинальной торговле:

Маржинальная торговля, ч2. Торговля на Poloniexhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4641951%0A

Маржинальная торговля на Bitmex https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4911481.%20%0A

Как работают плечи на BitMEXhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5033937
323  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoin Wall Observer — price movements and news on: November 11, 2018, 09:34:57 PM
Boscoin?

I'm afraid it's too late to ride on it  Undecided. Mainnet on Nov 15th
324  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoin Wall Observer — price movements and news on: November 11, 2018, 08:29:10 PM
Pay special attention on the Aeron now. Theu will make a snapshot of ARN balances on 15th of November. Aeron itself is going to rock the whole market with this airdrop. Very generous. Hope to see good listings/pump on new CBM token as well
PS https://medium.com/@aeronaero/cryptobonusmiles-gleam-io-157d4c1c2641 details about upcoming drop

but only 4 days left.. chart seems suspicious.. no pump already. be careful 
325  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoin Wall Observer — price movements and news on: November 11, 2018, 08:24:52 PM
Q4 2018 mainnet launch for:

Seele
Tomo
Abt
Tky
Qkc
Trig

Did I miss something?


326  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoin Wall Observer — price movements and news on: November 11, 2018, 03:43:00 PM
Stats from June but still interesting

327  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] FUSION | Cryptofinance protocol for the Internet of Values on: November 11, 2018, 12:36:40 PM
Does this project have any analogs? YEED, PAI is also cross-chain platforms, is it correct? I'm not strong enough in tech details
328  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoin Wall Observer — price movements and news on: November 10, 2018, 01:08:00 PM
Seems like Ethereum hardfork is gonna be in January



https://twitter.com/5chdn/status/1060909136991391745
329  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 09, 2018, 11:14:37 PM
330  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 09, 2018, 09:58:48 AM


331  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 08, 2018, 10:50:42 PM


shortin' it
332  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 08, 2018, 06:14:22 PM




The fuck are they conspiring together to do?



I’d be using them as a shield, fat dogs Cheesy

lmao.. this

333  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 07, 2018, 04:40:38 PM
Early Bitcoin Adopter Gavin Newsom won an easy victory on Tuesday night in the race for California Governor.

Democrat Newson won against Republican John Cox by a landslide. 51-year-old Newsom had been trying his luck to become governor for a decade and has finally succeeded to become the governor of California state.


https://blockmanity.com/news/bitcoin/early-bitcoin-adopter-gavin-newsom-gets-elected-governor-of-california/
334  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 07, 2018, 01:53:26 PM
Crypto Mining Giant BitFury Raises $80 Million in Private Placement

BitFury, a crypto mining company, has announced the closing of a private placement investment of $80 million, bringing the total funds raised by the firm to $170 million since its Series A round in 2014.


https://www.ccn.com/crypto-mining-giant-bitfury-raises-80-million-in-private-placement/

335  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoin Wall Observer — price movements and news on: November 07, 2018, 12:37:30 PM
actualy what alts are you guys being rekt the most on ? Roll Eyes

Many post-ico tokens, such as ATMI, PAI, SOUL, NKN, SS and so on
Buying without stops was a mistake  Cool

Lesson was learned


Good game, would you like to play this?


Seems cool. I’d like to try)
336  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / ICO vs STO. STO как новый глобальный тренд on: November 07, 2018, 10:07:27 AM
Похоже, трендом 2019 года будет STO вместо ICO. Что такое STO и почему так произойдет — сейчас будем разбираться.

Рынок ICO рос весь 2017, а начало 2018 даже превзошло те показатели, согласно вот этому отчету https://cointelegraph.com/news/pwc-report-finds-that-2018-ico-volume-is-already-double-that-of-previous-year

Проблема: cейчас большинство ICO собирают деньги, не имея реального продукта, только какие-то обещания. Вот мы такая-то команда, сделаем то-то то-то. В результате инвесторы вкладывают в кота в мешке. Никаких гарантий, что продукт будет реализован, нет.

Как результат — множество скама. Да, удачных примеров тоже много, но в конце концов мы видим, к чему всё пришло — даже самые хайповые проекты выходят на биржи на уровне цены ICO.

Всё это очень не нравится SEC, которая заботится о защите инвесторов. Сама концепция ICO сейчас находится в зоне риска.





И тут на сцене появляется STO.

STO, или security token offering, представляет из себя некое IPO для мира крипты, ну или ICO на существующий проект — то есть деньги собираются на поддержку уже существующего и запущенного проекта. Инвестор получает токены, обеспеченные не обещаниями, а реальным продуктом. Намного более безопасно звучит, не правда ли?

В качестве вариантов проведения, для обычных работяг в США всё не очень весело. Но у них и с ICO было всё не весело — поэтому многие ICO не допускают граждан США до сейлов.

1) STO может использовать положение D 506(c), которое означает, что инвестировать в него могут только аккредитованные инвесторы.

2) Второй вариант это краудфандинг, там уже могут вкладывать и неаккредитованные инвесторы, но лимит на весь сбор всего ~$1млн.

Ну и самое печальное в этих двух вариантах — токены должны быть залочены на год, прежде чем их можно будет продать.

3) Ну и последний вариант, наиболее интересный — это положение A+, то есть STO должно быть одобрено SEC и тогда лимит увеличивается до $50 млн. Без локап периода.



Если говорить о других странах, я думаю, что пока нет регуляций, STO всё же будет использоваться как успешная и надежная модель, но не для инвесторов США.



Как видите, роматика сверхприбылей в крипте заканчивается, и начинается вся эта бюрократия и забота о безопасности денег инвесторов. Может оно и к лучшему. Поживем - увидим


PS от 3.05.21: Кто бы мог подумать, что в итоге всё упрется в IDO, IEO и аукционы LPB. В целом, деньги продолжают собирать как готовые продукты, так и базовые концепции, не имея продукта
337  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / ICO or STO: Who Wins? [Article] on: November 07, 2018, 09:20:10 AM
There is a battle of terminology that is currently being waged in the cryptocurrency world: ICO or STO?

The explosive growth of ICOs in 2017 has already been doubled in the first half of 2018 with over $13.7 billion raised by ICOs this year, according to a report from PwC and the Swiss Crypto Valley Association.
While traditional venture capital deals still dwarf these numbers, the rapidly expanding fundraising model has shocked the world of finance and widened
the surprised eyes of even the most weathered investors.

Yet despite the remarkable success of ICOs, there is already a new model on the rise, called a Security Token Offering, or an STO.

After so much success and mind-bogglingly large numbers, you would expect ICOs to continue on their growth trajectory.
Even if investors don’t understand the underlying technology, they can understand a trend, and with each new billion raised, you could expect more investors to explore ICO opportunities.
It’s as much an exploration of behavioral science as it is economics. The issue? The regulators, the SEC being a vocal contingent, have said that ICOs are a problem.

The problem is this. ICOs were purported to be this great tactic for companies to get their protocol tokens into the hands of users. It’s a structure in its early stages;
the benefits of token economics are still being worked out by specialists, but the promise is there. Theoretically, token economics can improve network effects by
rewarding user participation and also create better governance by giving the most active users a larger say in the protocol’s future decisions. Pretty cool.
Of course, there are other benefits as well, but that is the subject of another post.

In this use case scenario, the protocol is built, the network functioning. The tokens are being distributed to consumers for immediate use within the platform.
We are talking about a digital sale of functional tokens, utility tokens with utility.

However, the reality is that most ICOs are a pre-sale of those tokens. They are not yet functional. Indeed, the purpose of the majority of ICOs to date is to fundraise
so that the company in question can build the protocol on which those tokens can be used.

In this case, the utility tokens have no utility because the application on which they would be used doesn’t exist. There is no decentralization as the decentralized protocol doesn’t exist.
The money is going to a business, to specific individuals. The use case of the tokens is hypothetical, and there are no guarantees that the utility will ever exist in the future apart
from the promise of the individuals working on the project.

And a promise is not a guarantee.

Take a look at many of the recent Ethereum decentralized applications, and you will find virtual ghost towns. Even when the protocol is launched, and the tokens achieve
a form of utility, the market may not take interest in the functional aspect of the token and so the decentralized application withers away as it fails to attract users.

Why then do investors purchase tokens at all? The key to the question is liquidity and speculation. With ICOs, investors purchase tokens that can immediately be traded on crypto
exchanges from anywhere around the world. As an investor, I could buy a token for $1 in the morning and sell it at $1.3 in the afternoon.
There are day traders who have been making a living doing just this with stocks on the public market, and that investment behavior is one of the driving forces behind the
current cryptocurrency market.

This investment behavior is a type of game, a form of gambling, and most importantly a way to make money. For the dedicated, enough to make a living, and for the idle,
enough for spending cash.

In a topic that has been well-covered, the SEC views most of these ICOs as the sale of securities, not utilities, for the reasons listed above, which encompass the general parameters
of the Howey Test. These ordinary investors are participating in a frothy marketplace, one full of scam, fraud, and behind-the-scenes pre-sale deals, and they
have no protections. The SEC cares a lot about protecting investors, and that is the purpose of federal security laws.

Given the uncertainty of the market, the lack of regulation, the apparent fraud and speculation, and the SEC’s warnings, there was a backlash to ICOs within the technology industry.
First, Facebook banned ICO-related ads in January. Then Google announced in March that ICO ads would be banned beginning in June, Twitter, and Mailchimp followed..
Clearly, the very term “ICO” generated problems. There had to be another way.



Enter the STO

The first time the term security token offering, an STO, was mentioned that I could find was in a blog post by Manhattan Street Capital, dating back to April 14, 2017,
but of course the idea of an STO had been gestating long before that specific terminology. Dating further back, you can find mentions of regulated ICOs, ICO 2.0’s,
token offerings, and even “ICOs” that did not differentiate themselves by name but by structure alone. All of these refer to the same offering structure just with a different name.

An STO is similar to an ICO in that an offering is made by a business to the crowd, in which consumers purchase crypto tokens built on a blockchain,
but the two do not share many similarities beyond that. Whereas ICOs are the sale of coins, purported utilities or even currencies, STOs are the sale of securities.

STO participants are investors, not users, who pay and receive a security (i.e. equity, debt, revenue share, etc) that is represented by a token.
In order to sell securities to the crowd, a company has to register the offering with the SEC (difficult and expensive) or use an exemption from said registration.

STOs are typically done using an exemption called Regulation D 506(c), which is a public offering of securities to accredited investors (anyone with a net worth of
$1 million+ or an annual income of $200,000 or more for the past two years—$300,00 in combined annual income for spouses). This regulation means a company can solicit the general public,
but potential investors must verify their accreditation status before they can participate in the STO.

Another popular option for STOs is to use the exemption Regulation Crowdfunding, which is an offering for the general public, meaning both accredited
and non-accredited investors can participate in the offering, with the caveat being that there is a limit to how much an STO can raise in a given year, the limit being $1,070,000.

The last important exemption that an STO can use is Regulation A+, which like Regulation Crowdfunding allows everyone in the crowd to participate but the annual limit is
increased to $50,000,000. Along with that higher raise cap limit, the offering must be qualified by the SEC, which does not need to happen with the other exemptions.
To date, no STO has been qualified by the SEC, but I expect this to change soon.

The reason is simple: this is the gold standard for raising capital from the general public, and there is no lock-up period when it comes to trading
the security tokens issued in an STO, meaning that I could buy and sell my securities in the same day just like you currently can with cryptocurrencies
(whereas Regulation D 506(c) and Regulation Crowdfunding have a one year lock before those tokens can be traded).


As the marketplace gets more sophisticated (read: less scams and fraud), the investors will express a greater demand for security tokens because they
offer them governance and protection. Who wouldn’t want this?

Well, most investors in ICOs do not want this because they like instant liquidity with the websites who are calling themselves “exchanges” and are unregulated.
The cost of these platforms is low, if there is a cost at all, because the company is not burdened with any kind of supervision or rules and because they will take
anyone and trade anything to anyone. Concepts such as KYC and AML, common buzzwords in the space regarding identifying the investor, are foreign to them or viewed as irrelevant.

There are other risks with these unregulated exchanges through which investors can be taken advantage of. Among those are:

front running, in which a company or individual trades ahead of the investor (this is possible because they can see the investor’s decision to buy before it is added to the blockchain)
 and then dumps the shares when the price goes up to make a profit

pump and dump, in which a group of investors works in collusion to buy a lot of tokens to drive the price up. Once the price reaches an agreed-upon point,
the pump and dump schemes dump their coins, driving the price back down, hurting the investors duped by the false momentum

painting the tape, or washed trades, in which a group of investors trade back and forth amongst themselves to create the facade of liquidity.
Many investors are ok with all of that if you give them a place to trade. Amazing!

The security tokens from STOs will be traded on Alternative Trading Systems or with broker-dealers, which are closely supervised by FINRA and registered with the SEC.
These ATSs and broker dealers have high costs because of the required supervision with the appointment of a chief compliance officer, training of every key employee,
taking all of the necessary FINRA exams, following thousands of rules, and finally paying people for the experience and skills they bring to the company necessary to fulfill those functions.


Movies have taught us that the good guys ride off into the sunset.
The current crypto “exchanges” do not have to do any of this. Instead they hire a few great programmers to build the platform and in the meantime keep the trading fees low for investors.
 This is clearly an unfair advantage for those who choose to ignore the law compared to those who comply. How is this going to get resolved? That part of the story remains to be told,
but in the end we have to hope the good guys win. After all, Hollywood told us so.



source: hackernoon
338  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoin Wall Observer — price movements and news on: November 06, 2018, 10:28:21 PM
Stellar Lumens (XLM) is coming to blockchain.com wallet
https://www.theblockcrypto.com/2018/11/06/stellar-is-airdropping-125-million-to-blockchain-wallet-users/
...with the biggest airdrop on cryptoworld so far....


BUT
....you need to verify your identity, aka KYC (for a wallet!)



So other way to say that, blockchain.com is buying millions of IDs for 20 bucks each.

Honestly don’t know what to think about this bs

idk, honestly don't think that something will change if I give them my data.. but not for $20... during my time on the internet I have already given all my data and absolutely free..  oh wait..   Cheesy
339  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 06, 2018, 09:46:04 PM
Guys, sometimes I missed an altcoin discussion here. Altcoins give nice price movements from time to time. And I don't want to spam this topic with irrelevant information

That's why recently I have started a new Wall Observer about altcoins

If you want to share altcoin news, charts, memes or discuss them — you are welcome.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5029546.80;topicseen
340  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Altcoin Wall Observer — price movements and news on: November 06, 2018, 09:36:04 PM

some news

The (real) team behind $PRL has announced @Opacity_Storage and will be forking $PRL for $OPQ at a 1:1 rate on 11/09.

Bill, the CEO, is handling things well & I’m excited for the future without “Bruno”

I applaud the transparency in this article as well👇

https://medium.com/opacity-storage/introducing-opacity-b6cdce34dc16




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