I also think we need a mobile friendly version of bitcointalk( I always use my mobile for bitcointalk and I think my two thumbs need some rest espcially when zooming ) but not an app. I have found a nice thread started way back in 2013 by "Logik" and I really interested about his approch, but I couldn't found any recent updates about it.

I actually don't know why "Theymos" doesn't interested at all about the concept of mobile friendly version of bitcointalk.

Yeah third party apps making so much vulnerable for hacking and so I also didn't take that risk. That's why I believed the mobile version should comes from an official way. I don't think it's too hard in these days with the technological developments in web design sector.

Link>>> Bitcointalk Mobile Version

I don't think it makes difference wether user knowing or not knowing about the phishing link since there's a legal priciple saying that "a person who unaware of law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because one was unaware of it's content"

That's what I thought too.

Link>>>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat

I think everything is comparative and there is no such a ideal system. If we look into few months back, we all know how much spamming and how much of new accounts have been created only for Bounties and Airdrops( actually I don't have that data at the moment  but hoping "DdmrDdmr" have those numbers). So instead of all banning things which everyone talked, what "Theymos" suggested was introduction of "Merit system". I think now most of the members are getting agreed with this new system and what impact it has been done to the forum when it comes to the spamming and shitposting. But that system also need few tweaks too like getting strong actions regarding Merit abuse scenarios.

The thing I didn't get is why admins allowing to create Alt accounts which I believed one of the major reason for spammers and shitposters to allowing to spam-fest with  numbers game(most of the time bots) So I think time has came to review that decision again.

Finally we can't create a ideal system for even Bitcointalk. But it's about how much and how far we can go for controlling the spam issue. It is better if admins can do some periodical review regarding spam statistics of forum posts, accounts and introducing new regulations or amedments accordingly.

Actually we don't know why you create an Bitcointalk account I already report your post and don't ruin the thread.

That's sad, it seems like no one here (even Legendary members ) don't know how the official requests to be made. Can we create a some kind of poll and submit the results to the admins?. I don't know that process is far  complex like rocket science

That is the pathetic situation that we all are facing around every corner, every sector wether you like or not. That is what politicians do when they having so many issues to solve for their people. What they do is, first they generalize the problems and then divert the problems in to an another problem saying this will happened if we do this, then finally all the people are going to believed that it's a normal thing so we just ignore and move forward is the best thing, but it isn't. I believed this is not a political arena or admins are not like the politicians. So let's make some noise in order to get changed of some forum rules. Majority of the members( not the underworld bounty freaks or spammers) hoping to see some kind of positive moves towards the betterment of the forum like introduction of Merits, rather saying "today is not the day for a change"

"The small trees will remained even after strong storms due to it's flexibility but the regid ones which didn't want to be flexible will surely get distroyed during a storm"

5.- ANN threads should not be awarded with merits
6.- The posts in the ANN threads should not count as activity
7.- System to be implemented to inquire and take actions against (at least large scale) merit abuse
8.- Merit source applicant should not award any merits for  their thread just for appreciations.
9.- English language posts should not allowed in local boards( may be this is tricky one, but we need to think about why actually admins initiate local boards at the first place)

That's only my suggestions, don't know wether other members are agreed or not.

I'm not an AGW believer or i don't have any propaganda. i just want to aware what humans done to the mother nature and we just need to slow down our development or moving to renewable. Can you give me a example(like atmospheric concentration of CO₂) and just filter those (1),(2) and (3) steps. Then only i can find out is there any logical errors between those steps. 

I think you're telling we all should accept the answer of "we don't know". I don't say anywhere "Anthropogenic effect" is the absolute certain reason for climate change, but it is the predominant factor when looking at the historical data.


Don't you think those two answers are not matching with each others. First quote you are saying we can't rely on new findings and second quote you are saying solar scientists are the ones who we should listen. i'm some what confused?

some times i feeled liked "Denialism is backed by economism" or "Climate change is not happening, Earth is also Flat"

 

I don't agree with above answers, it shouldn't allowed to post in English in local boards since other languages are not allowed in main boards. We don't want double standards.

Yes there have been cycles since natural climate variability always there. But the problem is "Anthropogenic effect" will divert those cycles from where it should be actually.

Thanks for looking at the problem from a different angle. However I don't believe about global cooling thing(besides from natural climate varibility).

"People who deny or try to minimize the importance of human-caused climate change will often argue that climate changed naturally in the past. And while that’s true, we know the climate change is now being dominated by what humans are doing" - The Guardian

Link>>>Pollen data shows humans reversed natural global cooling

It's up to you to trust me or not it doesn't make anything to me or my work.

That's your point of view not others.

I think I have clear thoughts about what I'm saying and can you highlight where you feeled that I haven't through those things? Can you highlight any incorrect facts that I have mentioned. Because I only want to highlight the actual scenario of what's going on at the moment. I think facts matters rather than accusations.

"Reddit" LOL. Can you prove it? Don't judge a member without looking at his profile. I'm still a member but I'm not a underworld freak who do Bounties, I don't expect such a childish behavior from a legendary member like you. I think "shitposter" is the person who ruins a thread without adding any value to the discussion. So who is the shitposter? Is it me?

Check following mentioned site and how the Bounty campaigns will leads in future with annoying bots. They give away one day trial also. Is there any way to stop these kind of illegal sites? They even saying that they can solved the captcha too.

Link>>>https://bitcointalkautoreply.org/

I'm also believing that we should implement those suggestions asap and  hope admins/mods sees in that way too. Let's make some noise until staff hears what the community request at the moment. "JC" as a legendary member can be a influencer to concrete this good suggestions.

Don't think that way mate, other wise we as members always have to play the wait and watch game. I think someone ( higher rank members and members who cares always about bitcointalk like you) has to stand up and give the massage to the admin / staff about this hot potato. We always taking two steps backwards by thinking what will happened if those underworld posters didn't got merits and even didn't count their posts as activity. Why can't we think those spammers would leave since there is no monetary values for their posters in ANN threads. (Isnt that great if it happened?) . So try to see the positive sides of a solution rather always seeing the crocodiles in the basin.

This newbie just spamming all over the ANN Threads by saying he has some kind of bot which auto reply for Bitcointalk threads and even it can solve the captcha thing also. This member already included a YouTube guide also. Mods/senior members can you guys just stop this member or bot. I even didn't know they are offering these kind of  servises for Bounties. Those sites are the main root of spam fest.

Link>>>https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2266177

This is another kind of marketing in ANN threads we should stop ASAP.

Yeah it's not technically. But sometimes small holes in the rules will makes abusers to ruin the system and getting away through that holes. Then I think rules need.to be changed. Do you still think it's not a merit abuse(according to your subconscious)?

Is that mean "account farming" and " ranking up" is the only offences taken as Merit abuse? No I don't think so.

It is nice to see some of the responsible members  are putting self discipline rules for their distribution of Merits. They are the members who takes that job seriously when spending Merits and not spending as only you can.

We should not "limit the merits per post" but "limit the number of Merits that one user can send to a one post"

Agreed and that's what I have highlighted. At the end of the day don't know why admins/mods are watching by giving some explanations, not the actions.

The main point I'm highlighting is " we can't allowed to use Merits as a tool for just marketing some shitcoin or external site by their promoters not the actual endusers of that site."

Another point I have missed in the first place is if you're nominate a apperentice on behalf of you for giving away few Merits for good quality posters will ultimately redused the amount of posts getting sMerits. That means imagine if you have 30 merits for spending for  good quality posts and you're giving away all of them for actually where it should. If you pass the ball to another apperentice, it would make that 30 sMerits into 15 sMerits. So that means number of posts that are getting Merits will be redused by 50% (if we think about one merit for one post but every case it will reduced). So don't you think passing the ball would accelerate the depletion of Merits with the time.( I'm talking about the scenario which can be happened if every Merit sources are going to nominate their apperentice and distribute Merits for them to fair distribution)

Recently I have seen that one thread promoting some kind of exchange called "Nessie.io" in ANN section. Now it's the most merited recent topic with having 138 Merits (it's more than what "welsh" got for his masterpiece of "Report effectively". Is this the thrend for merit abusers? Is this the new way of marketing?

• Choosing a Newbie account or creating a new one
• Posting the content that you want to do marketing (it can be some exchange, some shit coin... etc)
• Giving away loads of sMerits to that thread by their own officials or sometimes agents promoting that site or shitcoin.
• Getting rank up (in this case being number 1) in the Top-merited recent topics
• Getting members attention without spending a penny(free marketing)

I think this is "conflict of interest" by giving away so many sMerits to a thread by its own promoters and some of the members begin to believe that "oh no this project has huge potential ( since having loads of sMerits)". Actually I  don't know wether Nessie.io has some potential or not. I just want highlight the fact of how the Merits have been manipulated in ANN threads.

There is a recent ongoing debate also going on regarding not giving sMerits for the posts in ANN section and I'm a true supporter of that idea. One last thing about Merit system, this is what "theymos" said...

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Link>>>Nessie.io - Exchange with Seamless Access to Digital Wallet & Gaming Services

Dogedigital - Wearing Nessie.io avatar and also having red trust too, gave 50 sMerits
AcoinL.L.C - Wearing Nessie.io avatar and gave 30 sMerits

I have a one more suggestion for your nice thought regarding dMerit system. Mods/Merit sources need to take strong actions when someone reported a Merit abuse scenario.

P.S.- congratulations "JC" for becoming a Legendary member. Good to see you wearing that honered badge.

Look at following thread promoting some kind of exchange called "Nessie.io" in ANN section. Now it's the most merited recent topic with having 138 Merits (it's more than what "welsh" got for his masterpiece of "[Guide] Reporting effectively". I think now this is the thrend for merit abusers. They use newbie account and doing the free marketing by giving loads of sMerits to a redundent thread to become number 1 in the list of Merit stats. So only members can wait and watch . Is there any actions have been taken to stop this kind of merit abuse?

Link>>>Nessie.io - Exchange with Seamless Access to Digital Wallet & Gaming Services

That doesn't mean that they are the best distributors of Merits. Most of the Merits have been awarded for this kind of ANN threads by "Legendary members" and "Hero members" ( still few demon's out there within the reputed members too)

That would be a great amedment for what "Jet cash" has been proposed.

It just feeled very promosing suggestion, but it's better to consider about all the scenarios before initiating such kind of radical change.

Let's imagine Merit source can nominate a apperentice and give some Merits for distribution in order to increase the efficiency of Merit distribution without adding those Merits to his(apperentise) personal total. Then what happens if that apperentice sent those Merits to his/her Alts? So the idea is good with some tweaks. If Merit source can monitor those sMerits were distributed actually where it deserved and then only release the next batch of Merits to the apperentice would be great.

Note - I know "seoincorporation" would never do that but we can't say about all the apperentices.

I still remembered the first Merit that I got. Actually it's from "Jet cash"  for one of my reply. In that reply I mentioned famous quote of Albert Einstein "The world will not be distroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything". So I think it should be changed like " The Bitcointalk forum will not be cloged or spammed by those who do spaming, but by those who watch them(yes we can report, but I think that will not enough) without appreciating the good posters "

"Jet cash" is doing best he can in order to make the forum better place to learning but not shitposting. So now i think it's your turn "seoincorporation" to apply and become a Merit source. I feeled like, you have the sense of finding good posts as other merit sources. Sometimes forum needs to diversify it's merit distribution. So make that happened.

I think your calculations are based on two hypothesis that believing merit distribution is in a linear system and one user getting only sMerits from another one user only. Since those two hypothesis are incorrect, your calculations are also incorrect. I think "DdmrDdmr" already explained in his thread how the system works by his nodes analysis.