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BitStamp USD/BTC CoinFloor GBP/BTC bitcoin.de EUR/BTC Kraken CAD/BTC CoinCheck JPY/BTC
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1 2017-12-17 19110.24 | 1 2017-12-18 13886.02 | 1 2017-12-17 15658.09 | 1 2017-12-17 24642.65 | 1 2017-12-17 2208232.68
2 2017-12-18 18634.42 | 2 2017-12-17 13482.88 | 2 2017-12-18 15501.51 | 2 2017-12-18 24087.89 | 2 2017-12-18 2147476.58
3 2017-12-16 18430.69 | 3 2017-12-19 13293.37 | 3 2017-12-19 15113.13 | 3 2017-12-16 23513.76 | 3 2017-12-19 2138407.06
4 2017-12-19 17986.05 | 4 2017-12-16 13238.25 | 4 2017-12-16 15057.27 | 4 2017-12-19 23475.60 | 4 2017-12-16 2112793.63
5 2017-12-15 17335.00 | 5 2017-12-15 12785.33 | 5 2017-12-20 14098.85 | 5 2017-12-20 20953.57 | 5 2017-12-15 2002191.91
6 2017-12-12 16854.87 | 6 2017-12-12 12770.59 | 6 2017-12-15 13985.41 | 6 2017-12-11 20544.35 | 6 2017-12-20 1992847.24
7 2017-12-20 16724.84 | 7 2017-12-13 12516.97 | 7 2018-01-06 13828.82 | 7 2017-12-12 20516.32 | 7 2018-01-06 1987945.42
8 2018-01-06 16670.80 | 8 2017-12-14 12273.00 | 8 2017-12-12 13733.76 | 8 2017-12-15 20249.75 | 8 2018-01-07 1981675.94
9 2017-12-13 16434.93 | 9 2017-12-11 12260.26 | 9 2018-01-07 13567.26 | 9 2017-12-27 20182.52 | 9 2017-12-12 1937334.18
10 2018-01-07 16397.33 | 10 2017-12-20 12197.81 | 10 2017-12-13 13526.62 | 10 2018-01-06 19982.12 | 10 2017-12-21 1935878.79
11 2017-12-14 16351.30 | 11 2018-01-06 12117.54 | 11 2018-01-05 13386.91 | 11 2017-12-26 19879.50 | 11 2018-01-05 1930061.42
12 2017-12-11 16293.32 | 12 2018-01-07 12013.61 | 12 2017-12-14 13286.99 | 12 2017-12-13 19707.32 | 12 2017-12-08 1929195.60
13 2017-12-21 16033.61 | 13 2018-01-05 11980.50 | 13 2017-12-11 13264.56 | 13 2017-12-21 19620.54 | 13 2017-12-13 1919254.02
14 2018-01-05 15982.35 | 14 2017-12-21 11739.99 | 14 2017-12-27 13065.56 | 14 2017-12-08 19415.42 | 14 2017-12-11 1916643.99
15 2017-12-27 15460.55 | 15 2017-12-27 11494.86 | 15 2017-12-21 12771.18 | 15 2018-01-07 19333.13 | 15 2017-12-14 1914205.89
16 2017-12-26 15342.51 | 16 2017-12-26 11427.93 | 16 2018-01-08 12745.05 | 16 2017-12-23 19289.87 | 16 2018-01-09 1879057.11
17 2017-12-08 15285.20 | 17 2017-12-08 11363.96 | 17 2017-12-26 12722.92 | 17 2017-12-07 19037.88 | 17 2018-01-08 1872712.28
18 2018-01-08 15103.89 | 18 2017-12-23 11247.75 | 18 2017-12-08 12721.89 | 18 2017-12-14 19011.89 | 18 2017-12-07 1817693.42
19 2018-01-03 14960.44 | 19 2017-12-07 11201.99 | 19 2017-12-23 12706.31 | 19 2017-12-09 18953.24 | 19 2017-12-27 1817589.75
20 2017-12-07 14840.19 | 20 2018-01-03 11111.99 | 20 2018-01-03 12648.41 | 20 2018-01-05 18889.63 | 20 2018-01-10 1811775.67
21 2018-01-04 14806.72 | 21 2018-01-04 10974.64 | 21 2017-12-07 12560.48 | 21 2018-01-03 18813.94 | 21 2018-01-04 1795246.51
22 2017-12-23 14785.39 | 22 2017-12-29 10842.96 | 22 2018-01-09 12545.88 | 22 2017-12-29 18683.70 | 22 2017-12-23 1761441.86
23 2018-01-09 14703.62 | 23 2017-12-28 10754.59 | 23 2018-01-04 12498.72 | 23 2017-12-28 18515.18 | 23 2017-12-26 1753340.91
24 2017-12-29 14492.22 | 24 2017-12-09 10675.38 | 24 2017-12-29 12408.33 | 24 2017-12-10 18514.83 | 24 2018-01-03 1749549.25
25 2017-12-09 14402.98 | 25 2017-12-10 10550.90 | 25 2017-12-28 12269.22 | 25 2018-01-04 18463.91 | 25 2018-01-11 1722489.02
26 2018-01-13 14233.65 | 26 2018-01-10 10529.65 | 26 2018-01-02 11952.13 | 26 2018-01-08 18210.44 | 26 2018-01-13 1721199.20
27 2017-12-10 14233.61 | 27 2018-01-02 10494.90 | 27 2018-01-10 11921.64 | 27 2018-01-09 18132.12 | 27 2017-12-29 1719610.87
28 2017-12-28 14158.69 | 28 2017-12-25 10301.08 | 28 2017-12-25 11828.70 | 28 2017-12-25 18058.69 | 28 2017-12-09 1714008.24
29 2018-01-10 14135.53 | 29 2018-01-13 10280.98 | 29 2017-12-09 11719.94 | 29 2018-01-13 17857.23 | 29 2018-01-15 1697105.74
30 2018-01-02 14057.88 | 30 2017-12-24 10137.43 | 30 2018-01-13 11698.20 | 30 2018-01-02 17798.86 | 30 2018-01-14 1689346.03
31 2017-12-25 13951.90 | 31 2018-01-11 10107.25 | 31 2017-12-10 11645.29 | 31 2017-12-24 17785.50 | 31 2017-12-22 1681879.00
32 2018-01-15 13875.59 | 32 2018-01-15 10102.36 | 32 2018-01-15 11464.66 | 32 2018-01-10 17560.34 | 32 2017-12-28 1679909.38
33 2018-01-12 13652.81 | 33 2018-01-12 10062.15 | 33 2017-12-24 11448.13 | 33 2018-01-14 17330.00 | 33 2018-01-12 1678355.89
34 2018-01-11 13593.74 | 34 2017-12-22 10015.25 | 34 2018-01-11 11417.92 | 34 2017-12-22 17293.28 | 34 2017-12-10 1673950.07
35 2018-01-14 13544.44 | 35 2017-12-30 9943.28 | 35 2018-01-01 11395.28 | 35 2018-01-01 17184.25 | 35 2018-01-02 1666237.42
36 2017-12-24 13525.02 | 36 2017-12-31 9907.80 | 36 2017-12-30 11361.63 | 36 2017-12-31 17044.58 | 36 2017-12-24 1641133.80
37 2017-12-22 13441.46 | 37 2018-01-14 9824.67 | 37 2018-01-12 11329.74 | 37 2018-01-11 16891.64 | 37 2017-12-25 1635696.28
38 2018-01-01 13373.48 | 38 2018-01-01 9680.28 | 38 2017-12-31 11215.40 | 38 2017-12-30 16814.82 | 38 2018-01-01 1632002.03
39 2017-12-31 13342.58 | 39 2017-12-06 9483.20 | 39 2018-01-14 11168.22 | 39 2018-01-15 16227.88 | 39 2017-12-30 1611603.68
40 2017-12-30 13148.96 | 40 2018-01-20 8854.32 | 40 2017-12-06 10751.76 | 40 2017-12-06 16148.38 | 40 2017-12-31 1589328.29
41 2017-12-06 12664.26 | 41 2017-12-05 8706.88 | 41 2017-12-22 10697.23 | 41 2018-01-20 15995.10 | 41 2017-12-06 1436022.07
42 2018-01-20 12486.57 | 42 2018-01-16 8438.76 | 42 2018-01-20 10272.94 | 42 2018-01-21 15235.03 | 42 2018-01-20 1402564.49
43 2018-01-21 11826.96 | 43 2018-01-18 8432.58 | 43 2017-12-05 9819.56 | 43 2017-12-05 15077.99 | 43 2018-01-16 1398775.46
44 2018-01-16 11800.13 | 44 2017-12-04 8406.93 | 44 2018-01-18 9795.35 | 44 2018-01-19 14841.78 | 44 2018-01-21 1355354.66
45 2018-01-28 11704.54 | 45 2018-01-19 8394.36 | 45 2018-01-21 9781.20 | 45 2018-01-18 14570.36 | 45 2018-01-18 1328605.06
46 2017-12-05 11652.18 | 46 2018-01-21 8298.04 | 46 2018-01-19 9627.51 | 46 2017-12-04 14565.38 | 46 2017-12-05 1313702.65
47 2018-01-18 11537.72 | 47 2018-02-20 8278.92 | 47 2018-01-16 9452.60 | 47 2018-01-28 14378.22 | 47 2018-01-19 1311600.98
48 2018-01-19 11499.77 | 48 2017-12-03 8273.53 | 48 2017-12-04 9449.78 | 48 2017-12-03 14277.94 | 48 2017-12-04 1285279.27
49 2018-02-20 11470.15 | 49 2018-01-28 8132.24 | 49 2018-02-20 9380.32 | 49 2018-01-29 14185.39 | 49 2017-12-03 1272957.31
50 2017-12-04 11314.70 | 50 2017-12-02 8049.88 | 50 2018-01-28 9331.17 | 50 2018-01-25 14063.62 | 50 2018-01-28 1268723.93
51 2018-01-25 11301.56 | 51 2018-03-02 7967.12 | 51 2017-12-03 9329.98 | 51 2018-01-27 13981.09 | 51 2018-01-25 1246767.73
52 2018-01-27 11287.97 | 52 2018-01-27 7958.24 | 52 2018-01-25 9131.73 | 52 2018-01-22 13898.59 | 52 2018-01-22 1237038.58
53 2018-01-29 11284.76 | 53 2018-01-29 7936.29 | 53 2017-12-02 9112.20 | 53 2017-12-02 13889.39 | 53 2017-12-02 1234277.76
54 2017-12-03 11249.50 | 54 2018-01-25 7909.08 | 54 2018-01-29 9092.24 | 54 2018-01-24 13749.91 | 54 2018-01-29 1232346.01
55 2018-01-24 11061.00 | 55 2018-02-19 7850.45 | 55 2018-01-27 9049.38 | 55 2018-01-26 13669.89 | 55 2018-01-24 1221183.94
56 2018-03-02 10980.30 | 56 2018-01-24 7817.82 | 56 2018-01-24 9002.85 | 56 2018-01-23 13639.96 | 56 2018-01-17 1205875.10
57 2017-12-02 10927.84 | 57 2018-03-01 7777.73 | 57 2018-01-22 8959.51 | 57 2018-01-16 13406.46 | 57 2018-01-27 1199675.53
58 2018-02-19 10924.92 | 58 2018-02-21 7777.53 | 58 2018-03-02 8898.74 | 58 2017-11-29 13348.05 | 58 2018-01-23 1189808.28
59 2018-01-22 10899.45 | 59 2018-01-22 7768.04 | 59 2018-02-19 8872.31 | 59 2018-02-17 13321.23 | 59 2017-11-29 1186133.94
60 2018-01-26 10880.53 | 60 2017-11-29 7677.37 | 60 2018-01-26 8791.98 | 60 2017-12-01 13293.16 | 60 2018-01-26 1171990.77
61 2018-02-21 10789.44 | 61 2018-01-23 7668.96 | 61 2018-02-21 8783.12 | 61 2018-02-18 13134.34 | 61 2017-12-01 1169514.93
62 2018-03-01 10727.27 | 62 2018-01-26 7661.50 | 62 2017-11-29 8762.11 | 62 2017-11-30 13114.08 | 62 2017-11-30 1152668.34
63 2018-02-18 10708.96 | 63 2018-02-18 7660.35 | 63 2018-01-23 8759.90 | 63 2018-01-30 13030.30 | 63 2018-03-02 1143477.16
64 2018-02-17 10703.13 | 64 2017-12-01 7654.64 | 64 2018-03-01 8759.28 | 64 2018-02-19 12935.39 | 64 2018-01-30 1142717.48
65 2018-01-23 10687.97 | 65 2018-02-28 7643.77 | 65 2018-02-17 8684.53 | 65 2018-02-27 12872.19 | 65 2018-02-20 1121911.57
66 2018-02-28 10624.38 | 66 2018-02-27 7606.42 | 66 2017-12-01 8684.00 | 66 2018-02-21 12816.19 | 66 2017-11-28 1121334.43
67 2018-02-27 10576.64 | 67 2018-02-17 7599.27 | 67 2018-02-28 8671.64 | 67 2017-11-28 12709.29 | 67 2018-02-28 1117007.01
68 2018-01-17 10474.08 | 68 2018-01-17 7570.99 | 68 2018-02-18 8653.89 | 68 2018-02-23 12707.55 | 68 2018-03-01 1116036.57
69 2018-01-30 10395.94 | 69 2018-01-30 7386.32 | 69 2018-02-27 8603.60 | 69 2018-02-20 12696.03 | 69 2018-02-18 1097377.77
70 2017-11-29 10377.66 | 70 2017-11-28 7383.53 | 70 2018-01-30 8472.54 | 70 2018-02-22 12627.36 | 70 2018-02-27 1095356.78
71 2017-12-01 10287.37 | 71 2018-02-22 7287.15 | 71 2017-11-28 8341.06 | 71 2018-01-17 12611.64 | 71 2018-02-17 1095066.28
72 2018-02-22 10198.18 | 72 2017-11-30 7221.48 | 72 2018-01-17 8317.13 | 72 2018-02-16 12581.98 | 72 2018-01-31 1084423.45
73 2018-02-26 10045.70 | 73 2018-02-23 7177.74 | 73 2017-11-30 8294.99 | 73 2018-02-26 12539.67 | 73 2017-11-27 1075672.88
74 2018-02-16 10023.95 | 74 2017-11-27 7172.68 | 74 2018-02-22 8284.40 | 74 2018-03-02 12538.53 | 74 2018-02-19 1074929.23
75 2018-02-23 10021.35 | 75 2018-02-26 7160.38 | 75 2018-02-23 8231.30 | 75 2018-02-24 12431.65 | 75 2018-02-21 1058764.04
76 2018-01-31 9944.16 | 76 2018-02-16 7138.99 | 76 2018-02-26 8144.62 | 76 2018-01-31 12247.77 | 76 2018-02-23 1031234.97
77 2018-02-24 9862.46 | 77 2018-02-24 7085.86 | 77 2018-02-16 8057.08 | 77 2018-02-15 12183.25 | 77 2018-02-16 1028710.39
78 2017-11-28 9852.65 | 78 2018-02-15 7039.32 | 78 2018-01-31 8055.84 | 78 2018-03-01 12151.44 | 78 2018-02-24 1020840.02
79 2018-02-15 9831.31 | 79 2018-01-31 7035.08 | 79 2018-02-15 8018.65 | 79 2018-02-25 12079.51 | 79 2018-02-26 1018567.60
80 2017-11-30 9715.31 | 80 2017-11-26 6826.90 | 80 2018-02-24 8008.84 | 80 2017-11-27 12061.24 | 80 2018-02-22 1017749.42
81 2018-02-25 9546.58 | 81 2018-02-25 6816.18 | 81 2017-11-27 7969.07 | 81 2018-02-28 11937.85 | 81 2018-02-01 1013975.22
82 2017-11-27 9527.86 | 82 2018-02-14 6539.05 | 82 2018-02-25 7796.62 | 82 2017-11-26 11699.45 | 82 2017-11-26 1008142.59
83 2018-02-01 9222.28 | 83 2018-02-01 6475.10 | 83 2017-11-26 7490.80 | 83 2018-02-14 11399.18 | 83 2018-02-15 1005994.87
84 2018-02-14 9092.78 | 84 2017-11-25 6374.80 | 84 2018-02-14 7413.75 | 84 2018-02-01 11332.61 | 84 2018-02-25 983900.27
85 2017-11-26 9027.86 | 85 2018-02-03 6331.06 | 85 2018-02-03 7311.27 | 85 2018-02-04 10979.43 | 85 2018-02-03 960721.98
86 2018-02-03 8928.31 | 86 2018-02-10 6290.43 | 86 2018-02-01 7218.41 | 86 2018-02-10 10968.36 | 86 2017-11-25 946764.10
87 2018-02-12 8662.80 | 87 2018-02-12 6270.53 | 87 2018-02-10 7131.99 | 87 2018-02-03 10946.77 | 87 2018-02-14 937546.44
88 2018-02-10 8662.42 | 88 2018-02-13 6200.65 | 88 2018-02-12 7098.81 | 88 2018-02-13 10896.44 | 88 2018-02-10 936386.10
89 2018-02-13 8588.47 | 89 2017-11-22 6198.12 | 89 2017-11-25 7084.35 | 89 2018-02-12 10871.50 | 89 2018-02-04 927542.95
90 2018-02-04 8477.23 | 90 2017-11-24 6164.11 | 90 2017-11-24 7038.74 | 90 2017-11-25 10748.84 | 90 2017-11-22 918157.52
91 2018-02-02 8409.31 | 91 2017-11-21 6155.42 | 91 2017-11-22 7021.91 | 91 2017-11-21 10657.96 | 91 2017-11-21 914208.36
92 2017-11-25 8407.83 | 92 2017-11-23 6154.90 | 92 2018-02-13 7008.79 | 92 2017-11-22 10646.53 | 92 2018-02-12 913741.73
93 2018-02-09 8254.92 | 93 2017-11-20 6151.56 | 93 2017-11-21 6995.34 | 93 2018-02-09 10631.05 | 93 2017-11-20 909006.92
94 2018-02-08 8228.03 | 94 2018-02-04 6020.84 | 94 2017-11-23 6937.20 | 94 2017-11-20 10509.97 | 94 2017-11-23 908690.93
95 2017-11-22 8196.45 | 95 2018-02-09 6003.81 | 95 2017-11-20 6900.82 | 95 2017-11-23 10450.33 | 95 2017-11-24 908057.15
96 2017-11-24 8154.14 | 96 2018-02-08 5993.24 | 96 2018-02-09 6841.11 | 96 2018-02-02 10443.56 | 96 2018-02-02 907015.64
97 2017-11-23 8147.26 | 97 2018-02-11 5979.32 | 97 2018-02-08 6817.20 | 97 2017-11-24 10433.99 | 97 2018-02-13 905290.22
98 2018-02-11 8145.40 | 98 2017-11-17 5912.03 | 98 2018-02-04 6775.00 | 98 2018-02-11 10343.86 | 98 2018-02-08 891918.66
99 2017-11-20 8113.74 | 99 2018-02-02 5909.25 | 99 2018-02-11 6694.58 | 99 2018-02-08 10321.99 | 99 2018-02-09 886663.80
100 2017-11-21 8096.38 | 100 2017-11-19 5890.90 | 100 2017-11-19 6653.51 | 100 2017-11-19 10110.43 | 100 2017-11-17 885711.43
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1.4 million bits = BTC1.4 right?
Damn.
Do you think they're saying they only have BTC1.4
Right, 1 million bits = 1 BTC. But, from their FAQ: Where are the house bankroll funds held?
The house bankroll funds will sit in a multi-sig wallet held in cold storage and managed by the Monster Byte team. The address is auditable and can be verified to show proof of reserves.
The address they gave starts with a 1. It's a pre-segwit P2PKH address, not a "multi-sig wallet". So that 1.4 BTC they proved ownership of doesn't include the house bankroll funds, because as stated they wouldn't be in a '1' address. What is the bankroll multi-sig address? Why wouldn't they publish that and show proof of ownership? Edit: https://www.moneypot.com/user/invest/btc says: Site Bankroll
1,353,309 bits
so maybe that 1.4 BTC they showed us does include the site bankroll, and the FAQ is inaccurate. |
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There should be ~BTC1,400 but there's only ~BTC1.4
Well, the screenshot shows 1.4 million, but I'm guessing that's in "bits", not BTC. |
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Funds for Moneypot proof:
Bitcoin: 1NchRSEW8ZQb66btjAGxSc4iUNkdrZ38rK ( Moneypot.com funds for proof of liabilities 03/01/2018 / IJxfe0e9UVwxXYPy3B67VU+jPI1V0fKyJfsN1VE+7TZMH3vQ3mFmOXNEDZtOiEaLSUXCxo5k/kWG/qsUXpQg3ms= )
I verified that signature: $ bitcoin-cli verifymessage 1NchRSEW8ZQb66btjAGxSc4iUNkdrZ38rK \
IJxfe0e9UVwxXYPy3B67VU+jPI1V0fKyJfsN1VE+7TZMH3vQ3mFmOXNEDZtOiEaLSUXCxo5k/kWG/qsUXpQg3ms= \
"Moneypot.com funds for proof of liabilities 03/01/2018"
true
$ The address only contains 1.4 BTC. Doesn't MoneyPot owe in the region of 3 figures of BTC to creditors? Is this proof of solvency or insolvency? |
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I mentioned the Falcon promo yesterday
You mentioned it in the wrong thread. This thread is for the BitConnect scam. I'm still not sure how it's going to pan out
I am. It's a Ponzi, and it is going to pan out like all Ponzis pan out. It will shut down leaving lots of people with large losses. they are doubling all purchases until March 2nd or something
Doubling you say? Sounds legit. Yeah, I know it's slightly off topic but just thought I'd let people know if they wanted to make some money.
Ponzis are negative expectation for the "investors". If you get in early enough you can profit from the even bigger idiots who get in after you, but you never know when it's going to shut down. Today might be the last day they pay out, so if you invest now you might lose everything. Do you feel lucky? |
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dooglus, you seem to know alot about bustabit. next step is to make offer and buy bustabit. i would gamble there. thus, you would become very very rich  I thought you had already lost all your money on just-dice! |
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Update:
BitStamp USD/BTC CoinFloor GBP/BTC bitcoin.de EUR/BTC Kraken CAD/BTC CoinCheck JPY/BTC
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1 2017-12-17 19110.24 | 1 2017-12-18 13886.02 | 1 2017-12-17 15658.09 | 1 2017-12-17 24642.65 | 1 2017-12-17 2208232.68
2 2017-12-18 18634.42 | 2 2017-12-17 13482.88 | 2 2017-12-18 15501.51 | 2 2017-12-18 24087.89 | 2 2017-12-18 2147476.58
3 2017-12-16 18430.69 | 3 2017-12-19 13293.37 | 3 2017-12-19 15113.13 | 3 2017-12-16 23513.76 | 3 2017-12-19 2138407.06
4 2017-12-19 17986.05 | 4 2017-12-16 13238.25 | 4 2017-12-16 15057.27 | 4 2017-12-19 23475.60 | 4 2017-12-16 2112793.63
5 2017-12-15 17335.00 | 5 2017-12-15 12785.33 | 5 2017-12-20 14098.85 | 5 2017-12-20 20953.57 | 5 2017-12-15 2002191.91
6 2017-12-12 16854.87 | 6 2017-12-12 12770.59 | 6 2017-12-15 13985.41 | 6 2017-12-11 20544.35 | 6 2017-12-20 1992847.24
7 2017-12-20 16724.84 | 7 2017-12-13 12516.97 | 7 2018-01-06 13828.82 | 7 2017-12-12 20516.32 | 7 2018-01-06 1987945.42
8 2018-01-06 16670.80 | 8 2017-12-14 12273.00 | 8 2017-12-12 13733.76 | 8 2017-12-15 20249.75 | 8 2018-01-07 1981675.94
9 2017-12-13 16434.93 | 9 2017-12-11 12260.26 | 9 2018-01-07 13567.26 | 9 2017-12-27 20182.52 | 9 2017-12-12 1937334.18
10 2018-01-07 16397.33 | 10 2017-12-20 12197.81 | 10 2017-12-13 13526.62 | 10 2018-01-06 19982.12 | 10 2017-12-21 1935878.79
11 2017-12-14 16351.30 | 11 2018-01-06 12117.54 | 11 2018-01-05 13386.91 | 11 2017-12-26 19879.50 | 11 2018-01-05 1930061.42
12 2017-12-11 16293.32 | 12 2018-01-07 12013.61 | 12 2017-12-14 13286.99 | 12 2017-12-13 19707.32 | 12 2017-12-08 1929195.60
13 2017-12-21 16033.61 | 13 2018-01-05 11980.50 | 13 2017-12-11 13264.56 | 13 2017-12-21 19620.54 | 13 2017-12-13 1919254.02
14 2018-01-05 15982.35 | 14 2017-12-21 11739.99 | 14 2017-12-27 13065.56 | 14 2017-12-08 19415.42 | 14 2017-12-11 1916643.99
15 2017-12-27 15460.55 | 15 2017-12-27 11494.86 | 15 2017-12-21 12771.18 | 15 2018-01-07 19333.13 | 15 2017-12-14 1914205.89
16 2017-12-26 15342.51 | 16 2017-12-26 11427.93 | 16 2018-01-08 12745.05 | 16 2017-12-23 19289.87 | 16 2018-01-09 1879057.11
17 2017-12-08 15285.20 | 17 2017-12-08 11363.96 | 17 2017-12-26 12722.92 | 17 2017-12-07 19037.88 | 17 2018-01-08 1872712.28
18 2018-01-08 15103.89 | 18 2017-12-23 11247.75 | 18 2017-12-08 12721.89 | 18 2017-12-14 19011.89 | 18 2017-12-07 1817693.42
19 2018-01-03 14960.44 | 19 2017-12-07 11201.99 | 19 2017-12-23 12706.31 | 19 2017-12-09 18953.24 | 19 2017-12-27 1817589.75
20 2017-12-07 14840.19 | 20 2018-01-03 11111.99 | 20 2018-01-03 12648.41 | 20 2018-01-05 18889.63 | 20 2018-01-10 1811775.67
21 2018-01-04 14806.72 | 21 2018-01-04 10974.64 | 21 2017-12-07 12560.48 | 21 2018-01-03 18813.94 | 21 2018-01-04 1795246.51
22 2017-12-23 14785.39 | 22 2017-12-29 10842.96 | 22 2018-01-09 12545.88 | 22 2017-12-29 18683.70 | 22 2017-12-23 1761441.86
23 2018-01-09 14703.62 | 23 2017-12-28 10754.59 | 23 2018-01-04 12498.72 | 23 2017-12-28 18515.18 | 23 2017-12-26 1753340.91
24 2017-12-29 14492.22 | 24 2017-12-09 10675.38 | 24 2017-12-29 12408.33 | 24 2017-12-10 18514.83 | 24 2018-01-03 1749549.25
25 2017-12-09 14402.98 | 25 2017-12-10 10550.90 | 25 2017-12-28 12269.22 | 25 2018-01-04 18463.91 | 25 2018-01-11 1722489.02
26 2018-01-13 14233.65 | 26 2018-01-10 10529.65 | 26 2018-01-02 11952.13 | 26 2018-01-08 18210.44 | 26 2018-01-13 1721199.20
27 2017-12-10 14233.61 | 27 2018-01-02 10494.90 | 27 2018-01-10 11921.64 | 27 2018-01-09 18132.12 | 27 2017-12-29 1719610.87
28 2017-12-28 14158.69 | 28 2017-12-25 10301.08 | 28 2017-12-25 11828.70 | 28 2017-12-25 18058.69 | 28 2017-12-09 1714008.24
29 2018-01-10 14135.53 | 29 2018-01-13 10280.98 | 29 2017-12-09 11719.94 | 29 2018-01-13 17857.23 | 29 2018-01-15 1697105.74
30 2018-01-02 14057.88 | 30 2017-12-24 10137.43 | 30 2018-01-13 11698.20 | 30 2018-01-02 17798.86 | 30 2018-01-14 1689346.03
31 2017-12-25 13951.90 | 31 2018-01-11 10107.25 | 31 2017-12-10 11645.29 | 31 2017-12-24 17785.50 | 31 2017-12-22 1681879.00
32 2018-01-15 13875.59 | 32 2018-01-15 10102.36 | 32 2018-01-15 11464.66 | 32 2018-01-10 17560.34 | 32 2017-12-28 1679909.38
33 2018-01-12 13652.81 | 33 2018-01-12 10062.15 | 33 2017-12-24 11448.13 | 33 2018-01-14 17330.00 | 33 2018-01-12 1678355.89
34 2018-01-11 13593.74 | 34 2017-12-22 10015.25 | 34 2018-01-11 11417.92 | 34 2017-12-22 17293.28 | 34 2017-12-10 1673950.07
35 2018-01-14 13544.44 | 35 2017-12-30 9943.28 | 35 2018-01-01 11395.28 | 35 2018-01-01 17184.25 | 35 2018-01-02 1666237.42
36 2017-12-24 13525.02 | 36 2017-12-31 9907.80 | 36 2017-12-30 11361.63 | 36 2017-12-31 17044.58 | 36 2017-12-24 1641133.80
37 2017-12-22 13441.46 | 37 2018-01-14 9824.67 | 37 2018-01-12 11329.74 | 37 2018-01-11 16891.64 | 37 2017-12-25 1635696.28
38 2018-01-01 13373.48 | 38 2018-01-01 9680.28 | 38 2017-12-31 11215.40 | 38 2017-12-30 16814.82 | 38 2018-01-01 1632002.03
39 2017-12-31 13342.58 | 39 2017-12-06 9483.20 | 39 2018-01-14 11168.22 | 39 2018-01-15 16227.88 | 39 2017-12-30 1611603.68
40 2017-12-30 13148.96 | 40 2018-01-20 8854.32 | 40 2017-12-06 10751.76 | 40 2017-12-06 16148.38 | 40 2017-12-31 1589328.29
41 2017-12-06 12664.26 | 41 2017-12-05 8706.88 | 41 2017-12-22 10697.23 | 41 2018-01-20 15995.10 | 41 2017-12-06 1436022.07
42 2018-01-20 12486.57 | 42 2018-01-16 8438.76 | 42 2018-01-20 10272.94 | 42 2018-01-21 15235.03 | 42 2018-01-20 1402564.49
43 2018-01-21 11826.96 | 43 2018-01-18 8432.58 | 43 2017-12-05 9819.56 | 43 2017-12-05 15077.99 | 43 2018-01-16 1398775.46
44 2018-01-16 11800.13 | 44 2017-12-04 8406.93 | 44 2018-01-18 9795.35 | 44 2018-01-19 14841.78 | 44 2018-01-21 1355354.66
45 2018-01-28 11704.54 | 45 2018-01-19 8394.36 | 45 2018-01-21 9781.20 | 45 2018-01-18 14570.36 | 45 2018-01-18 1328605.06
46 2017-12-05 11652.18 | 46 2018-01-21 8298.04 | 46 2018-01-19 9627.51 | 46 2017-12-04 14565.38 | 46 2017-12-05 1313702.65
47 2018-01-18 11537.72 | 47 2018-02-20 8278.92 | 47 2018-01-16 9452.60 | 47 2018-01-28 14378.22 | 47 2018-01-19 1311600.98
48 2018-01-19 11499.77 | 48 2017-12-03 8273.53 | 48 2017-12-04 9449.78 | 48 2017-12-03 14277.94 | 48 2017-12-04 1285279.27
49 2018-02-20 11470.15 | 49 2018-01-28 8132.24 | 49 2018-02-20 9380.32 | 49 2018-01-29 14185.39 | 49 2017-12-03 1272957.31
50 2017-12-04 11314.70 | 50 2017-12-02 8049.88 | 50 2018-01-28 9331.17 | 50 2018-01-25 14063.62 | 50 2018-01-28 1268723.93
51 2018-01-25 11301.56 | 51 2018-01-27 7958.24 | 51 2017-12-03 9329.98 | 51 2018-01-27 13981.09 | 51 2018-01-25 1246767.73
52 2018-01-27 11287.97 | 52 2018-01-29 7936.29 | 52 2018-01-25 9131.73 | 52 2018-01-22 13898.59 | 52 2018-01-22 1237038.58
53 2018-01-29 11284.76 | 53 2018-01-25 7909.08 | 53 2017-12-02 9112.20 | 53 2017-12-02 13889.39 | 53 2017-12-02 1234277.76
54 2017-12-03 11249.50 | 54 2018-02-19 7850.45 | 54 2018-01-29 9092.24 | 54 2018-01-24 13749.91 | 54 2018-01-29 1232346.01
55 2018-01-24 11061.00 | 55 2018-01-24 7817.82 | 55 2018-01-27 9049.38 | 55 2018-01-26 13669.89 | 55 2018-01-24 1221183.94
56 2017-12-02 10927.84 | 56 2018-03-01 7777.73 | 56 2018-01-24 9002.85 | 56 2018-01-23 13639.96 | 56 2018-01-17 1205875.10
57 2018-02-19 10924.92 | 57 2018-02-21 7777.53 | 57 2018-01-22 8959.51 | 57 2018-01-16 13406.46 | 57 2018-01-27 1199675.53
58 2018-01-22 10899.45 | 58 2018-01-22 7768.04 | 58 2018-02-19 8872.31 | 58 2017-11-29 13348.05 | 58 2018-01-23 1189808.28
59 2018-01-26 10880.53 | 59 2017-11-29 7677.37 | 59 2018-01-26 8791.98 | 59 2018-02-17 13321.23 | 59 2017-11-29 1186133.94
60 2018-02-21 10789.44 | 60 2018-01-23 7668.96 | 60 2018-02-21 8783.12 | 60 2017-12-01 13293.16 | 60 2018-01-26 1171990.77
61 2018-03-01 10727.27 | 61 2018-01-26 7661.50 | 61 2017-11-29 8762.11 | 61 2018-02-18 13134.34 | 61 2017-12-01 1169514.93
62 2018-02-18 10708.96 | 62 2018-02-18 7660.35 | 62 2018-01-23 8759.90 | 62 2017-11-30 13114.08 | 62 2017-11-30 1152668.34
63 2018-02-17 10703.13 | 63 2017-12-01 7654.64 | 63 2018-03-01 8759.28 | 63 2018-01-30 13030.30 | 63 2018-01-30 1142717.48
64 2018-01-23 10687.97 | 64 2018-02-28 7643.77 | 64 2018-02-17 8684.53 | 64 2018-02-19 12935.39 | 64 2018-02-20 1121911.57
65 2018-02-28 10624.38 | 65 2018-02-27 7606.42 | 65 2017-12-01 8684.00 | 65 2018-02-27 12872.19 | 65 2017-11-28 1121334.43
66 2018-02-27 10576.64 | 66 2018-02-17 7599.27 | 66 2018-02-28 8671.64 | 66 2018-02-21 12816.19 | 66 2018-02-28 1117007.01
67 2018-01-17 10474.08 | 67 2018-01-17 7570.99 | 67 2018-02-18 8653.89 | 67 2017-11-28 12709.29 | 67 2018-03-01 1116036.57
68 2018-01-30 10395.94 | 68 2018-01-30 7386.32 | 68 2018-02-27 8603.60 | 68 2018-02-23 12707.55 | 68 2018-02-18 1097377.77
69 2017-11-29 10377.66 | 69 2017-11-28 7383.53 | 69 2018-01-30 8472.54 | 69 2018-02-20 12696.03 | 69 2018-02-27 1095356.78
70 2017-12-01 10287.37 | 70 2018-02-22 7287.15 | 70 2017-11-28 8341.06 | 70 2018-02-22 12627.36 | 70 2018-02-17 1095066.28
71 2018-02-22 10198.18 | 71 2017-11-30 7221.48 | 71 2018-01-17 8317.13 | 71 2018-01-17 12611.64 | 71 2018-01-31 1084423.45
72 2018-02-26 10045.70 | 72 2018-02-23 7177.74 | 72 2017-11-30 8294.99 | 72 2018-02-16 12581.98 | 72 2017-11-27 1075672.88
73 2018-02-16 10023.95 | 73 2017-11-27 7172.68 | 73 2018-02-22 8284.40 | 73 2018-02-26 12539.67 | 73 2018-02-19 1074929.23
74 2018-02-23 10021.35 | 74 2018-02-26 7160.38 | 74 2018-02-23 8231.30 | 74 2018-02-24 12431.65 | 74 2018-02-21 1058764.04
75 2018-01-31 9944.16 | 75 2018-02-16 7138.99 | 75 2018-02-26 8144.62 | 75 2018-01-31 12247.77 | 75 2018-02-23 1031234.97
76 2018-02-24 9862.46 | 76 2018-02-24 7085.86 | 76 2018-02-16 8057.08 | 76 2018-02-15 12183.25 | 76 2018-02-16 1028710.39
77 2017-11-28 9852.65 | 77 2018-02-15 7039.32 | 77 2018-01-31 8055.84 | 77 2018-03-01 12151.44 | 77 2018-02-24 1020840.02
78 2018-02-15 9831.31 | 78 2018-01-31 7035.08 | 78 2018-02-15 8018.65 | 78 2018-02-25 12079.51 | 78 2018-02-26 1018567.60
79 2017-11-30 9715.31 | 79 2017-11-26 6826.90 | 79 2018-02-24 8008.84 | 79 2017-11-27 12061.24 | 79 2018-02-22 1017749.42
80 2018-02-25 9546.58 | 80 2018-02-25 6816.18 | 80 2017-11-27 7969.07 | 80 2018-02-28 11937.85 | 80 2018-02-01 1013975.22
81 2017-11-27 9527.86 | 81 2018-02-14 6539.05 | 81 2018-02-25 7796.62 | 81 2017-11-26 11699.45 | 81 2017-11-26 1008142.59
82 2018-02-01 9222.28 | 82 2018-02-01 6475.10 | 82 2017-11-26 7490.80 | 82 2018-02-14 11399.18 | 82 2018-02-15 1005994.87
83 2018-02-14 9092.78 | 83 2017-11-25 6374.80 | 83 2018-02-14 7413.75 | 83 2018-02-01 11332.61 | 83 2018-02-25 983900.27
84 2017-11-26 9027.86 | 84 2018-02-03 6331.06 | 84 2018-02-03 7311.27 | 84 2018-02-04 10979.43 | 84 2018-02-03 960721.98
85 2018-02-03 8928.31 | 85 2018-02-10 6290.43 | 85 2018-02-01 7218.41 | 85 2018-02-10 10968.36 | 85 2017-11-25 946764.10
86 2018-02-12 8662.80 | 86 2018-02-12 6270.53 | 86 2018-02-10 7131.99 | 86 2018-02-03 10946.77 | 86 2018-02-14 937546.44
87 2018-02-10 8662.42 | 87 2018-02-13 6200.65 | 87 2018-02-12 7098.81 | 87 2018-02-13 10896.44 | 87 2018-02-10 936386.10
88 2018-02-13 8588.47 | 88 2017-11-22 6198.12 | 88 2017-11-25 7084.35 | 88 2018-02-12 10871.50 | 88 2018-02-04 927542.95
89 2018-02-04 8477.23 | 89 2017-11-24 6164.11 | 89 2017-11-24 7038.74 | 89 2017-11-25 10748.84 | 89 2017-11-22 918157.52
90 2018-02-02 8409.31 | 90 2017-11-21 6155.42 | 90 2017-11-22 7021.91 | 90 2017-11-21 10657.96 | 90 2017-11-21 914208.36
91 2017-11-25 8407.83 | 91 2017-11-23 6154.90 | 91 2018-02-13 7008.79 | 91 2017-11-22 10646.53 | 91 2018-02-12 913741.73
92 2018-02-09 8254.92 | 92 2017-11-20 6151.56 | 92 2017-11-21 6995.34 | 92 2018-02-09 10631.05 | 92 2017-11-20 909006.92
93 2018-02-08 8228.03 | 93 2018-02-04 6020.84 | 93 2017-11-23 6937.20 | 93 2017-11-20 10509.97 | 93 2017-11-23 908690.93
94 2017-11-22 8196.45 | 94 2018-02-09 6003.81 | 94 2017-11-20 6900.82 | 94 2017-11-23 10450.33 | 94 2017-11-24 908057.15
95 2017-11-24 8154.14 | 95 2018-02-08 5993.24 | 95 2018-02-09 6841.11 | 95 2018-02-02 10443.56 | 95 2018-02-02 907015.64
96 2017-11-23 8147.26 | 96 2018-02-11 5979.32 | 96 2018-02-08 6817.20 | 96 2017-11-24 10433.99 | 96 2018-02-13 905290.22
97 2018-02-11 8145.40 | 97 2017-11-17 5912.03 | 97 2018-02-04 6775.00 | 97 2018-02-11 10343.86 | 97 2018-02-08 891918.66
98 2017-11-20 8113.74 | 98 2018-02-02 5909.25 | 98 2018-02-11 6694.58 | 98 2018-02-08 10321.99 | 98 2018-02-09 886663.80
99 2017-11-21 8096.38 | 99 2017-11-19 5890.90 | 99 2017-11-19 6653.51 | 99 2017-11-19 10110.43 | 99 2017-11-17 885711.43
100 2018-02-07 7986.14 | 100 2017-11-18 5834.13 | 100 2017-11-17 6624.27 | 100 2018-02-07 10047.68 | 100 2017-11-19 881532.52
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What is it that actually goes negative when the house risks over 2x Kelly? And it can't be the expected bankroll growth, since that's simply the expected profit per bet summed (or averaged) over all the bets, which therefore is also a constant 1%. It's the bankroll that goes negative. The casino starts losing money if the allowed bet is too high, it's a statistical certainty long term. Well, the bankroll can never go negative - the house only ever risks a percentage of it, so at worst it approaches zero. Maybe you mean the site profit goes negative, but that's not necessarily the case either. It's possible for the house to over-leverage and still make a profit by getting lucky. Thanks to Ryan's linked article I think I understand it now. The point I wasn't understanding is that "expected value" isn't the same as "expected bankroll growth". Specifically, the expected value of each bet is 1% of the amount wagered, whether the house is over-leveraged or not. It's always positive so long as the house edge is positive. Whereas the expected bankroll growth is more to do with the factor by which the bankroll grows with each bet. For instance, suppose the house is risking 50% of its bankroll with every bet, that the payout is 2x, and the chance of the player winning is 49.5%. That's a standard 1% house edge bet, but massively over-leveraged. Each time the house wins a bet like that, it adds 50% to its bankroll, or in other words it multiplies the bankroll by 1.5 Each time the house loses a bet like that, it loses 50% of its bankroll, or in other words it multiplies the bankroll by 0.5 In the long run, the house wins 0.505 times per bet, and loses 0.495 times per bet. We can calculate the expected bankroll growth factor per bet as (growth when winning)^(probability of winning) * (growth when losing)^(probability of losing). In this case, that's: 1.5^0.505 * 0.5^0.495 = 0.8708 In other words, when the house is risking 50% of its bankroll every roll with a 1% house edge on a 49.5% bet, the house expects to multiply its bankroll by 0.8708 each roll, on average. If we change the maximum bet to allow players to only win 2% of the house bankroll each bet, the multiplies change to 1.02 for a win and 0.98 for a loss, and so the expected bankroll growth factor changes to: 1.02^0.505 * 0.98^0.495 = 1 In other words risking 2% of the bankroll with a 1% edge leads to a static bankroll. What really made me see it, is imagine the case whether the house risks 50% of its bankroll each time, and starts with 100 units. If the player wins their first bet, the bankroll is down to 50 units. Then if the player loses a bet, the bankroll only goes up to 75. On the other hand, if the player loses their first bet, the bankroll goes up to 150 untis, but then if the player wins, the bankroll again goes down to 75. So each time the player makes two bets where one wins and one loses, the bankroll drops 25%. In the long run, the number of wins and losses is going to be about the same (assuming 50% betting, and no house edge, let's say). We can pair each winning bet with a losing bet, and see that the house is going to lose 25% about n/2 times, where n is the number of bets that were made. There's a tiny chance that the player does exceptionally badly and ends up massively down, but by far the most likely outcome is that the house loses almost all of its bankroll. |
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BitStamp USD/BTC CoinFloor GBP/BTC bitcoin.de EUR/BTC Kraken CAD/BTC CoinCheck JPY/BTC
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1 2017-12-17 19110.24 | 1 2017-12-18 13886.02 | 1 2017-12-17 15658.09 | 1 2017-12-17 24642.65 | 1 2017-12-17 2208232.68
2 2017-12-18 18634.42 | 2 2017-12-17 13482.88 | 2 2017-12-18 15501.51 | 2 2017-12-18 24087.89 | 2 2017-12-18 2147476.58
3 2017-12-16 18430.69 | 3 2017-12-19 13293.37 | 3 2017-12-19 15113.13 | 3 2017-12-16 23513.76 | 3 2017-12-19 2138407.06
4 2017-12-19 17986.05 | 4 2017-12-16 13238.25 | 4 2017-12-16 15057.27 | 4 2017-12-19 23475.60 | 4 2017-12-16 2112793.63
5 2017-12-15 17335.00 | 5 2017-12-15 12785.33 | 5 2017-12-20 14098.85 | 5 2017-12-20 20953.57 | 5 2017-12-15 2002191.91
6 2017-12-12 16854.87 | 6 2017-12-12 12770.59 | 6 2017-12-15 13985.41 | 6 2017-12-11 20544.35 | 6 2017-12-20 1992847.24
7 2017-12-20 16724.84 | 7 2017-12-13 12516.97 | 7 2018-01-06 13828.82 | 7 2017-12-12 20516.32 | 7 2018-01-06 1987945.42
8 2018-01-06 16670.80 | 8 2017-12-14 12273.00 | 8 2017-12-12 13733.76 | 8 2017-12-15 20249.75 | 8 2018-01-07 1981675.94
9 2017-12-13 16434.93 | 9 2017-12-11 12260.26 | 9 2018-01-07 13567.26 | 9 2017-12-27 20182.52 | 9 2017-12-12 1937334.18
10 2018-01-07 16397.33 | 10 2017-12-20 12197.81 | 10 2017-12-13 13526.62 | 10 2018-01-06 19982.12 | 10 2017-12-21 1935878.79
11 2017-12-14 16351.30 | 11 2018-01-06 12117.54 | 11 2018-01-05 13386.91 | 11 2017-12-26 19879.50 | 11 2018-01-05 1930061.42
12 2017-12-11 16293.32 | 12 2018-01-07 12013.61 | 12 2017-12-14 13286.99 | 12 2017-12-13 19707.32 | 12 2017-12-08 1929195.60
13 2017-12-21 16033.61 | 13 2018-01-05 11980.50 | 13 2017-12-11 13264.56 | 13 2017-12-21 19620.54 | 13 2017-12-13 1919254.02
14 2018-01-05 15982.35 | 14 2017-12-21 11739.99 | 14 2017-12-27 13065.56 | 14 2017-12-08 19415.42 | 14 2017-12-11 1916643.99
15 2017-12-27 15460.55 | 15 2017-12-27 11494.86 | 15 2017-12-21 12771.18 | 15 2018-01-07 19333.13 | 15 2017-12-14 1914205.89
16 2017-12-26 15342.51 | 16 2017-12-26 11427.93 | 16 2018-01-08 12745.05 | 16 2017-12-23 19289.87 | 16 2018-01-09 1879057.11
17 2017-12-08 15285.20 | 17 2017-12-08 11363.96 | 17 2017-12-26 12722.92 | 17 2017-12-07 19037.88 | 17 2018-01-08 1872712.28
18 2018-01-08 15103.89 | 18 2017-12-23 11247.75 | 18 2017-12-08 12721.89 | 18 2017-12-14 19011.89 | 18 2017-12-07 1817693.42
19 2018-01-03 14960.44 | 19 2017-12-07 11201.99 | 19 2017-12-23 12706.31 | 19 2017-12-09 18953.24 | 19 2017-12-27 1817589.75
20 2017-12-07 14840.19 | 20 2018-01-03 11111.99 | 20 2018-01-03 12648.41 | 20 2018-01-05 18889.63 | 20 2018-01-10 1811775.67
21 2018-01-04 14806.72 | 21 2018-01-04 10974.64 | 21 2017-12-07 12560.48 | 21 2018-01-03 18813.94 | 21 2018-01-04 1795246.51
22 2017-12-23 14785.39 | 22 2017-12-29 10842.96 | 22 2018-01-09 12545.88 | 22 2017-12-29 18683.70 | 22 2017-12-23 1761441.86
23 2018-01-09 14703.62 | 23 2017-12-28 10754.59 | 23 2018-01-04 12498.72 | 23 2017-12-28 18515.18 | 23 2017-12-26 1753340.91
24 2017-12-29 14492.22 | 24 2017-12-09 10675.38 | 24 2017-12-29 12408.33 | 24 2017-12-10 18514.83 | 24 2018-01-03 1749549.25
25 2017-12-09 14402.98 | 25 2017-12-10 10550.90 | 25 2017-12-28 12269.22 | 25 2018-01-04 18463.91 | 25 2018-01-11 1722489.02
26 2018-01-13 14233.65 | 26 2018-01-10 10529.65 | 26 2018-01-02 11952.13 | 26 2018-01-08 18210.44 | 26 2018-01-13 1721199.20
27 2017-12-10 14233.61 | 27 2018-01-02 10494.90 | 27 2018-01-10 11921.64 | 27 2018-01-09 18132.12 | 27 2017-12-29 1719610.87
28 2017-12-28 14158.69 | 28 2017-12-25 10301.08 | 28 2017-12-25 11828.70 | 28 2017-12-25 18058.69 | 28 2017-12-09 1714008.24
29 2018-01-10 14135.53 | 29 2018-01-13 10280.98 | 29 2017-12-09 11719.94 | 29 2018-01-13 17857.23 | 29 2018-01-15 1697105.74
30 2018-01-02 14057.88 | 30 2017-12-24 10137.43 | 30 2018-01-13 11698.20 | 30 2018-01-02 17798.86 | 30 2018-01-14 1689346.03
31 2017-12-25 13951.90 | 31 2018-01-11 10107.25 | 31 2017-12-10 11645.29 | 31 2017-12-24 17785.50 | 31 2017-12-22 1681879.00
32 2018-01-15 13875.59 | 32 2018-01-15 10102.36 | 32 2018-01-15 11464.66 | 32 2018-01-10 17560.34 | 32 2017-12-28 1679909.38
33 2018-01-12 13652.81 | 33 2018-01-12 10062.15 | 33 2017-12-24 11448.13 | 33 2018-01-14 17330.00 | 33 2018-01-12 1678355.89
34 2018-01-11 13593.74 | 34 2017-12-22 10015.25 | 34 2018-01-11 11417.92 | 34 2017-12-22 17293.28 | 34 2017-12-10 1673950.07
35 2018-01-14 13544.44 | 35 2017-12-30 9943.28 | 35 2018-01-01 11395.28 | 35 2018-01-01 17184.25 | 35 2018-01-02 1666237.42
36 2017-12-24 13525.02 | 36 2017-12-31 9907.80 | 36 2017-12-30 11361.63 | 36 2017-12-31 17044.58 | 36 2017-12-24 1641133.80
37 2017-12-22 13441.46 | 37 2018-01-14 9824.67 | 37 2018-01-12 11329.74 | 37 2018-01-11 16891.64 | 37 2017-12-25 1635696.28
38 2018-01-01 13373.48 | 38 2018-01-01 9680.28 | 38 2017-12-31 11215.40 | 38 2017-12-30 16814.82 | 38 2018-01-01 1632002.03
39 2017-12-31 13342.58 | 39 2017-12-06 9483.20 | 39 2018-01-14 11168.22 | 39 2018-01-15 16227.88 | 39 2017-12-30 1611603.68
40 2017-12-30 13148.96 | 40 2018-01-20 8854.32 | 40 2017-12-06 10751.76 | 40 2017-12-06 16148.38 | 40 2017-12-31 1589328.29
41 2017-12-06 12664.26 | 41 2017-12-05 8706.88 | 41 2017-12-22 10697.23 | 41 2018-01-20 15995.10 | 41 2017-12-06 1436022.07
42 2018-01-20 12486.57 | 42 2018-01-16 8438.76 | 42 2018-01-20 10272.94 | 42 2018-01-21 15235.03 | 42 2018-01-20 1402564.49
43 2018-01-21 11826.96 | 43 2018-01-18 8432.58 | 43 2017-12-05 9819.56 | 43 2017-12-05 15077.99 | 43 2018-01-16 1398775.46
44 2018-01-16 11800.13 | 44 2017-12-04 8406.93 | 44 2018-01-18 9795.35 | 44 2018-01-19 14841.78 | 44 2018-01-21 1355354.66
45 2018-01-28 11704.54 | 45 2018-01-19 8394.36 | 45 2018-01-21 9781.20 | 45 2018-01-18 14570.36 | 45 2018-01-18 1328605.06
46 2017-12-05 11652.18 | 46 2018-01-21 8298.04 | 46 2018-01-19 9627.51 | 46 2017-12-04 14565.38 | 46 2017-12-05 1313702.65
47 2018-01-18 11537.72 | 47 2018-02-20 8278.92 | 47 2018-01-16 9452.60 | 47 2018-01-28 14378.22 | 47 2018-01-19 1311600.98
48 2018-01-19 11499.77 | 48 2017-12-03 8273.53 | 48 2017-12-04 9449.78 | 48 2017-12-03 14277.94 | 48 2017-12-04 1285279.27
49 2018-02-20 11470.15 | 49 2018-01-28 8132.24 | 49 2018-02-20 9380.32 | 49 2018-01-29 14185.39 | 49 2017-12-03 1272957.31
50 2017-12-04 11314.70 | 50 2017-12-02 8049.88 | 50 2018-01-28 9331.17 | 50 2018-01-25 14063.62 | 50 2018-01-28 1268723.93
51 2018-01-25 11301.56 | 51 2018-01-27 7958.24 | 51 2017-12-03 9329.98 | 51 2018-01-27 13981.09 | 51 2018-01-25 1246767.73
52 2018-01-27 11287.97 | 52 2018-01-29 7936.29 | 52 2018-01-25 9131.73 | 52 2018-01-22 13898.59 | 52 2018-01-22 1237038.58
53 2018-01-29 11284.76 | 53 2018-01-25 7909.08 | 53 2017-12-02 9112.20 | 53 2017-12-02 13889.39 | 53 2017-12-02 1234277.76
54 2017-12-03 11249.50 | 54 2018-02-19 7850.45 | 54 2018-01-29 9092.24 | 54 2018-01-24 13749.91 | 54 2018-01-29 1232346.01
55 2018-01-24 11061.00 | 55 2018-01-24 7817.82 | 55 2018-01-27 9049.38 | 55 2018-01-26 13669.89 | 55 2018-01-24 1221183.94
56 2017-12-02 10927.84 | 56 2018-02-21 7777.53 | 56 2018-01-24 9002.85 | 56 2018-01-23 13639.96 | 56 2018-01-17 1205875.10
57 2018-02-19 10924.92 | 57 2018-01-22 7768.04 | 57 2018-01-22 8959.51 | 57 2018-01-16 13406.46 | 57 2018-01-27 1199675.53
58 2018-01-22 10899.45 | 58 2017-11-29 7677.37 | 58 2018-02-19 8872.31 | 58 2017-11-29 13348.05 | 58 2018-01-23 1189808.28
59 2018-01-26 10880.53 | 59 2018-01-23 7668.96 | 59 2018-01-26 8791.98 | 59 2018-02-17 13321.23 | 59 2017-11-29 1186133.94
60 2018-02-21 10789.44 | 60 2018-01-26 7661.50 | 60 2018-02-21 8783.12 | 60 2017-12-01 13293.16 | 60 2018-01-26 1171990.77
61 2018-02-18 10708.96 | 61 2018-02-18 7660.35 | 61 2017-11-29 8762.11 | 61 2018-02-18 13134.34 | 61 2017-12-01 1169514.93
62 2018-02-17 10703.13 | 62 2017-12-01 7654.64 | 62 2018-01-23 8759.90 | 62 2017-11-30 13114.08 | 62 2017-11-30 1152668.34
63 2018-01-23 10687.97 | 63 2018-02-28 7643.77 | 63 2018-02-17 8684.53 | 63 2018-01-30 13030.30 | 63 2018-01-30 1142717.48
64 2018-02-28 10624.38 | 64 2018-02-27 7606.42 | 64 2017-12-01 8684.00 | 64 2018-02-19 12935.39 | 64 2018-02-20 1121911.57
65 2018-02-27 10576.64 | 65 2018-02-17 7599.27 | 65 2018-02-28 8671.64 | 65 2018-02-27 12872.19 | 65 2017-11-28 1121334.43
66 2018-01-17 10474.08 | 66 2018-01-17 7570.99 | 66 2018-02-18 8653.89 | 66 2018-02-21 12816.19 | 66 2018-02-28 1117007.01
67 2018-01-30 10395.94 | 67 2018-01-30 7386.32 | 67 2018-02-27 8603.60 | 67 2017-11-28 12709.29 | 67 2018-02-18 1097377.77
68 2017-11-29 10377.66 | 68 2017-11-28 7383.53 | 68 2018-01-30 8472.54 | 68 2018-02-23 12707.55 | 68 2018-02-27 1095356.78
69 2017-12-01 10287.37 | 69 2018-02-22 7287.15 | 69 2017-11-28 8341.06 | 69 2018-02-20 12696.03 | 69 2018-02-17 1095066.28
70 2018-02-22 10198.18 | 70 2017-11-30 7221.48 | 70 2018-01-17 8317.13 | 70 2018-02-22 12627.36 | 70 2018-01-31 1084423.45
71 2018-02-26 10045.70 | 71 2018-02-23 7177.74 | 71 2017-11-30 8294.99 | 71 2018-01-17 12611.64 | 71 2017-11-27 1075672.88
72 2018-02-16 10023.95 | 72 2017-11-27 7172.68 | 72 2018-02-22 8284.40 | 72 2018-02-16 12581.98 | 72 2018-02-19 1074929.23
73 2018-02-23 10021.35 | 73 2018-02-26 7160.38 | 73 2018-02-23 8231.30 | 73 2018-02-26 12539.67 | 73 2018-02-21 1058764.04
74 2018-01-31 9944.16 | 74 2018-02-16 7138.99 | 74 2018-02-26 8144.62 | 74 2018-02-24 12431.65 | 74 2018-02-23 1031234.97
75 2018-02-24 9862.46 | 75 2018-02-24 7085.86 | 75 2018-02-16 8057.08 | 75 2018-01-31 12247.77 | 75 2018-02-16 1028710.39
76 2017-11-28 9852.65 | 76 2018-02-15 7039.32 | 76 2018-01-31 8055.84 | 76 2018-02-15 12183.25 | 76 2018-02-24 1020840.02
77 2018-02-15 9831.31 | 77 2018-01-31 7035.08 | 77 2018-02-15 8018.65 | 77 2018-02-25 12079.51 | 77 2018-02-26 1018567.60
78 2017-11-30 9715.31 | 78 2017-11-26 6826.90 | 78 2018-02-24 8008.84 | 78 2017-11-27 12061.24 | 78 2018-02-22 1017749.42
79 2018-02-25 9546.58 | 79 2018-02-25 6816.18 | 79 2017-11-27 7969.07 | 79 2018-02-28 11937.85 | 79 2018-02-01 1013975.22
80 2017-11-27 9527.86 | 80 2018-02-14 6539.05 | 80 2018-02-25 7796.62 | 80 2017-11-26 11699.45 | 80 2017-11-26 1008142.59
81 2018-02-01 9222.28 | 81 2018-02-01 6475.10 | 81 2017-11-26 7490.80 | 81 2018-02-14 11399.18 | 81 2018-02-15 1005994.87
82 2018-02-14 9092.78 | 82 2017-11-25 6374.80 | 82 2018-02-14 7413.75 | 82 2018-02-01 11332.61 | 82 2018-02-25 983900.27
83 2017-11-26 9027.86 | 83 2018-02-03 6331.06 | 83 2018-02-03 7311.27 | 83 2018-02-04 10979.43 | 83 2018-02-03 960721.98
84 2018-02-03 8928.31 | 84 2018-02-10 6290.43 | 84 2018-02-01 7218.41 | 84 2018-02-10 10968.36 | 84 2017-11-25 946764.10
85 2018-02-12 8662.80 | 85 2018-02-12 6270.53 | 85 2018-02-10 7131.99 | 85 2018-02-03 10946.77 | 85 2018-02-14 937546.44
86 2018-02-10 8662.42 | 86 2018-02-13 6200.65 | 86 2018-02-12 7098.81 | 86 2018-02-13 10896.44 | 86 2018-02-10 936386.10
87 2018-02-13 8588.47 | 87 2017-11-22 6198.12 | 87 2017-11-25 7084.35 | 87 2018-02-12 10871.50 | 87 2018-02-04 927542.95
88 2018-02-04 8477.23 | 88 2017-11-24 6164.11 | 88 2017-11-24 7038.74 | 88 2017-11-25 10748.84 | 88 2017-11-22 918157.52
89 2018-02-02 8409.31 | 89 2017-11-21 6155.42 | 89 2017-11-22 7021.91 | 89 2017-11-21 10657.96 | 89 2017-11-21 914208.36
90 2017-11-25 8407.83 | 90 2017-11-23 6154.90 | 90 2018-02-13 7008.79 | 90 2017-11-22 10646.53 | 90 2018-02-12 913741.73
91 2018-02-09 8254.92 | 91 2017-11-20 6151.56 | 91 2017-11-21 6995.34 | 91 2018-02-09 10631.05 | 91 2017-11-20 909006.92
92 2018-02-08 8228.03 | 92 2018-02-04 6020.84 | 92 2017-11-23 6937.20 | 92 2017-11-20 10509.97 | 92 2017-11-23 908690.93
93 2017-11-22 8196.45 | 93 2018-02-09 6003.81 | 93 2017-11-20 6900.82 | 93 2017-11-23 10450.33 | 93 2017-11-24 908057.15
94 2017-11-24 8154.14 | 94 2018-02-08 5993.24 | 94 2018-02-09 6841.11 | 94 2018-02-02 10443.56 | 94 2018-02-02 907015.64
95 2017-11-23 8147.26 | 95 2018-02-11 5979.32 | 95 2018-02-08 6817.20 | 95 2017-11-24 10433.99 | 95 2018-02-13 905290.22
96 2018-02-11 8145.40 | 96 2017-11-17 5912.03 | 96 2018-02-04 6775.00 | 96 2018-02-11 10343.86 | 96 2018-02-08 891918.66
97 2017-11-20 8113.74 | 97 2018-02-02 5909.25 | 97 2018-02-11 6694.58 | 97 2018-02-08 10321.99 | 97 2018-02-09 886663.80
98 2017-11-21 8096.38 | 98 2017-11-19 5890.90 | 98 2017-11-19 6653.51 | 98 2017-11-19 10110.43 | 98 2017-11-17 885711.43
99 2018-02-07 7986.14 | 99 2017-11-18 5834.13 | 99 2017-11-17 6624.27 | 99 2018-02-07 10047.68 | 99 2017-11-19 881532.52
100 2017-11-19 7863.96 | 100 2018-02-07 5833.03 | 100 2018-02-07 6586.24 | 100 2017-11-17 9927.20 | 100 2018-02-11 877837.88
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So when the house is risking more than a 2x kelly, you have a sort of weird scenario where it's bad for the house (it'll probably go broke) but also bad for the player (it'll still have an expectation to lose)
Sorry to derail the scam accusations, but I'm still not happy with this. What is it that actually goes negative when the house risks over 2x Kelly? It can't be the expected profit per bet, since that is always 1%, hence positive. And it can't be the expected bankroll growth, since that's simply the expected profit per bet summed (or averaged) over all the bets, which therefore is also a constant 1%. So what is it? I can't find a good Kelly resource. They're either too basic, and simply say "expected bankroll growth goes negative" (which I don't think is accurate) or they go far too deep into the math and confuse me. |
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Update:
Our #BitConnect cryptocurrency will be removed from all exchanges.
Therefore, we offer an opportunity for our members.
You can exchange your BCC tokens at the current rate of $142.47 USD per token.
Can you prove that you are in any way affiliated with BitConnect? Are you saying that for every BCC I send you (currently worth $3.15) you will send me 45.22 BCC tokens back (worth 3.15 * 45.22 = $142.47)? What if I then send you the 45.22 BCC back again. Will you multiply them by 45.22 again for me? How many times will you do that? Could we save ourselves some time and you just send me all the BCC you have right now? Thanks. |
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I'm confused and can't really tell from looking at the site (never even deposited bits on v2) - Is the 2x Kelly required for all investors or is it by choice?
It used to be required for all users, but currently the minimum required is 1.5x (due to the 25% commission having been temporarily suspended). You can leverage that up to 3x if you want to. That is the optional part. |
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BitStamp USD/BTC CoinFloor GBP/BTC bitcoin.de EUR/BTC Kraken CAD/BTC CoinCheck JPY/BTC
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1 2017-12-17 19110.24 | 1 2017-12-18 13886.02 | 1 2017-12-17 15658.09 | 1 2017-12-17 24642.65 | 1 2017-12-17 2208232.68
2 2017-12-18 18634.42 | 2 2017-12-17 13482.88 | 2 2017-12-18 15501.51 | 2 2017-12-18 24087.89 | 2 2017-12-18 2147476.58
3 2017-12-16 18430.69 | 3 2017-12-19 13293.37 | 3 2017-12-19 15113.13 | 3 2017-12-16 23513.76 | 3 2017-12-19 2138407.06
4 2017-12-19 17986.05 | 4 2017-12-16 13238.25 | 4 2017-12-16 15057.27 | 4 2017-12-19 23475.60 | 4 2017-12-16 2112793.63
5 2017-12-15 17335.00 | 5 2017-12-15 12785.33 | 5 2017-12-20 14098.85 | 5 2017-12-20 20953.57 | 5 2017-12-15 2002191.91
6 2017-12-12 16854.87 | 6 2017-12-12 12770.59 | 6 2017-12-15 13985.41 | 6 2017-12-11 20544.35 | 6 2017-12-20 1992847.24
7 2017-12-20 16724.84 | 7 2017-12-13 12516.97 | 7 2018-01-06 13828.82 | 7 2017-12-12 20516.32 | 7 2018-01-06 1987945.42
8 2018-01-06 16670.80 | 8 2017-12-14 12273.00 | 8 2017-12-12 13733.76 | 8 2017-12-15 20249.75 | 8 2018-01-07 1981675.94
9 2017-12-13 16434.93 | 9 2017-12-11 12260.26 | 9 2018-01-07 13567.26 | 9 2017-12-27 20182.52 | 9 2017-12-12 1937334.18
10 2018-01-07 16397.33 | 10 2017-12-20 12197.81 | 10 2017-12-13 13526.62 | 10 2018-01-06 19982.12 | 10 2017-12-21 1935878.79
11 2017-12-14 16351.30 | 11 2018-01-06 12117.54 | 11 2018-01-05 13386.91 | 11 2017-12-26 19879.50 | 11 2018-01-05 1930061.42
12 2017-12-11 16293.32 | 12 2018-01-07 12013.61 | 12 2017-12-14 13286.99 | 12 2017-12-13 19707.32 | 12 2017-12-08 1929195.60
13 2017-12-21 16033.61 | 13 2018-01-05 11980.50 | 13 2017-12-11 13264.56 | 13 2017-12-21 19620.54 | 13 2017-12-13 1919254.02
14 2018-01-05 15982.35 | 14 2017-12-21 11739.99 | 14 2017-12-27 13065.56 | 14 2017-12-08 19415.42 | 14 2017-12-11 1916643.99
15 2017-12-27 15460.55 | 15 2017-12-27 11494.86 | 15 2017-12-21 12771.18 | 15 2018-01-07 19333.13 | 15 2017-12-14 1914205.89
16 2017-12-26 15342.51 | 16 2017-12-26 11427.93 | 16 2018-01-08 12745.05 | 16 2017-12-23 19289.87 | 16 2018-01-09 1879057.11
17 2017-12-08 15285.20 | 17 2017-12-08 11363.96 | 17 2017-12-26 12722.92 | 17 2017-12-07 19037.88 | 17 2018-01-08 1872712.28
18 2018-01-08 15103.89 | 18 2017-12-23 11247.75 | 18 2017-12-08 12721.89 | 18 2017-12-14 19011.89 | 18 2017-12-07 1817693.42
19 2018-01-03 14960.44 | 19 2017-12-07 11201.99 | 19 2017-12-23 12706.31 | 19 2017-12-09 18953.24 | 19 2017-12-27 1817589.75
20 2017-12-07 14840.19 | 20 2018-01-03 11111.99 | 20 2018-01-03 12648.41 | 20 2018-01-05 18889.63 | 20 2018-01-10 1811775.67
21 2018-01-04 14806.72 | 21 2018-01-04 10974.64 | 21 2017-12-07 12560.48 | 21 2018-01-03 18813.94 | 21 2018-01-04 1795246.51
22 2017-12-23 14785.39 | 22 2017-12-29 10842.96 | 22 2018-01-09 12545.88 | 22 2017-12-29 18683.70 | 22 2017-12-23 1761441.86
23 2018-01-09 14703.62 | 23 2017-12-28 10754.59 | 23 2018-01-04 12498.72 | 23 2017-12-28 18515.18 | 23 2017-12-26 1753340.91
24 2017-12-29 14492.22 | 24 2017-12-09 10675.38 | 24 2017-12-29 12408.33 | 24 2017-12-10 18514.83 | 24 2018-01-03 1749549.25
25 2017-12-09 14402.98 | 25 2017-12-10 10550.90 | 25 2017-12-28 12269.22 | 25 2018-01-04 18463.91 | 25 2018-01-11 1722489.02
26 2018-01-13 14233.65 | 26 2018-01-10 10529.65 | 26 2018-01-02 11952.13 | 26 2018-01-08 18210.44 | 26 2018-01-13 1721199.20
27 2017-12-10 14233.61 | 27 2018-01-02 10494.90 | 27 2018-01-10 11921.64 | 27 2018-01-09 18132.12 | 27 2017-12-29 1719610.87
28 2017-12-28 14158.69 | 28 2017-12-25 10301.08 | 28 2017-12-25 11828.70 | 28 2017-12-25 18058.69 | 28 2017-12-09 1714008.24
29 2018-01-10 14135.53 | 29 2018-01-13 10280.98 | 29 2017-12-09 11719.94 | 29 2018-01-13 17857.23 | 29 2018-01-15 1697105.74
30 2018-01-02 14057.88 | 30 2017-12-24 10137.43 | 30 2018-01-13 11698.20 | 30 2018-01-02 17798.86 | 30 2018-01-14 1689346.03
31 2017-12-25 13951.90 | 31 2018-01-11 10107.25 | 31 2017-12-10 11645.29 | 31 2017-12-24 17785.50 | 31 2017-12-22 1681879.00
32 2018-01-15 13875.59 | 32 2018-01-15 10102.36 | 32 2018-01-15 11464.66 | 32 2018-01-10 17560.34 | 32 2017-12-28 1679909.38
33 2018-01-12 13652.81 | 33 2018-01-12 10062.15 | 33 2017-12-24 11448.13 | 33 2018-01-14 17330.00 | 33 2018-01-12 1678355.89
34 2018-01-11 13593.74 | 34 2017-12-22 10015.25 | 34 2018-01-11 11417.92 | 34 2017-12-22 17293.28 | 34 2017-12-10 1673950.07
35 2018-01-14 13544.44 | 35 2017-12-30 9943.28 | 35 2018-01-01 11395.28 | 35 2018-01-01 17184.25 | 35 2018-01-02 1666237.42
36 2017-12-24 13525.02 | 36 2017-12-31 9907.80 | 36 2017-12-30 11361.63 | 36 2017-12-31 17044.58 | 36 2017-12-24 1641133.80
37 2017-12-22 13441.46 | 37 2018-01-14 9824.67 | 37 2018-01-12 11329.74 | 37 2018-01-11 16891.64 | 37 2017-12-25 1635696.28
38 2018-01-01 13373.48 | 38 2018-01-01 9680.28 | 38 2017-12-31 11215.40 | 38 2017-12-30 16814.82 | 38 2018-01-01 1632002.03
39 2017-12-31 13342.58 | 39 2017-12-06 9483.20 | 39 2018-01-14 11168.22 | 39 2018-01-15 16227.88 | 39 2017-12-30 1611603.68
40 2017-12-30 13148.96 | 40 2018-01-20 8854.32 | 40 2017-12-06 10751.76 | 40 2017-12-06 16148.38 | 40 2017-12-31 1589328.29
41 2017-12-06 12664.26 | 41 2017-12-05 8706.88 | 41 2017-12-22 10697.23 | 41 2018-01-20 15995.10 | 41 2017-12-06 1436022.07
42 2018-01-20 12486.57 | 42 2018-01-16 8438.76 | 42 2018-01-20 10272.94 | 42 2018-01-21 15235.03 | 42 2018-01-20 1402564.49
43 2018-01-21 11826.96 | 43 2018-01-18 8432.58 | 43 2017-12-05 9819.56 | 43 2017-12-05 15077.99 | 43 2018-01-16 1398775.46
44 2018-01-16 11800.13 | 44 2017-12-04 8406.93 | 44 2018-01-18 9795.35 | 44 2018-01-19 14841.78 | 44 2018-01-21 1355354.66
45 2018-01-28 11704.54 | 45 2018-01-19 8394.36 | 45 2018-01-21 9781.20 | 45 2018-01-18 14570.36 | 45 2018-01-18 1328605.06
46 2017-12-05 11652.18 | 46 2018-01-21 8298.04 | 46 2018-01-19 9627.51 | 46 2017-12-04 14565.38 | 46 2017-12-05 1313702.65
47 2018-01-18 11537.72 | 47 2018-02-20 8278.92 | 47 2018-01-16 9452.60 | 47 2018-01-28 14378.22 | 47 2018-01-19 1311600.98
48 2018-01-19 11499.77 | 48 2017-12-03 8273.53 | 48 2017-12-04 9449.78 | 48 2017-12-03 14277.94 | 48 2017-12-04 1285279.27
49 2018-02-20 11470.15 | 49 2018-01-28 8132.24 | 49 2018-02-20 9380.32 | 49 2018-01-29 14185.39 | 49 2017-12-03 1272957.31
50 2017-12-04 11314.70 | 50 2017-12-02 8049.88 | 50 2018-01-28 9331.17 | 50 2018-01-25 14063.62 | 50 2018-01-28 1268723.93
51 2018-01-25 11301.56 | 51 2018-01-27 7958.24 | 51 2017-12-03 9329.98 | 51 2018-01-27 13981.09 | 51 2018-01-25 1246767.73
52 2018-01-27 11287.97 | 52 2018-01-29 7936.29 | 52 2018-01-25 9131.73 | 52 2018-01-22 13898.59 | 52 2018-01-22 1237038.58
53 2018-01-29 11284.76 | 53 2018-01-25 7909.08 | 53 2017-12-02 9112.20 | 53 2017-12-02 13889.39 | 53 2017-12-02 1234277.76
54 2017-12-03 11249.50 | 54 2018-02-19 7850.45 | 54 2018-01-29 9092.24 | 54 2018-01-24 13749.91 | 54 2018-01-29 1232346.01
55 2018-01-24 11061.00 | 55 2018-01-24 7817.82 | 55 2018-01-27 9049.38 | 55 2018-01-26 13669.89 | 55 2018-01-24 1221183.94
56 2017-12-02 10927.84 | 56 2018-02-21 7777.53 | 56 2018-01-24 9002.85 | 56 2018-01-23 13639.96 | 56 2018-01-17 1205875.10
57 2018-02-19 10924.92 | 57 2018-01-22 7768.04 | 57 2018-01-22 8959.51 | 57 2018-01-16 13406.46 | 57 2018-01-27 1199675.53
58 2018-01-22 10899.45 | 58 2017-11-29 7677.37 | 58 2018-02-19 8872.31 | 58 2017-11-29 13348.05 | 58 2018-01-23 1189808.28
59 2018-01-26 10880.53 | 59 2018-01-23 7668.96 | 59 2018-01-26 8791.98 | 59 2018-02-17 13321.23 | 59 2017-11-29 1186133.94
60 2018-02-21 10789.44 | 60 2018-01-26 7661.50 | 60 2018-02-21 8783.12 | 60 2017-12-01 13293.16 | 60 2018-01-26 1171990.77
61 2018-02-18 10708.96 | 61 2018-02-18 7660.35 | 61 2017-11-29 8762.11 | 61 2018-02-18 13134.34 | 61 2017-12-01 1169514.93
62 2018-02-17 10703.13 | 62 2017-12-01 7654.64 | 62 2018-01-23 8759.90 | 62 2017-11-30 13114.08 | 62 2017-11-30 1152668.34
63 2018-01-23 10687.97 | 63 2018-02-27 7606.42 | 63 2018-02-17 8684.53 | 63 2018-01-30 13030.30 | 63 2018-01-30 1142717.48
64 2018-02-27 10576.64 | 64 2018-02-17 7599.27 | 64 2017-12-01 8684.00 | 64 2018-02-19 12935.39 | 64 2018-02-20 1121911.57
65 2018-01-17 10474.08 | 65 2018-01-17 7570.99 | 65 2018-02-18 8653.89 | 65 2018-02-27 12872.19 | 65 2017-11-28 1121334.43
66 2018-01-30 10395.94 | 66 2018-01-30 7386.32 | 66 2018-02-27 8603.60 | 66 2018-02-21 12816.19 | 66 2018-02-18 1097377.77
67 2017-11-29 10377.66 | 67 2017-11-28 7383.53 | 67 2018-01-30 8472.54 | 67 2017-11-28 12709.29 | 67 2018-02-27 1095356.78
68 2017-12-01 10287.37 | 68 2018-02-22 7287.15 | 68 2017-11-28 8341.06 | 68 2018-02-23 12707.55 | 68 2018-02-17 1095066.28
69 2018-02-22 10198.18 | 69 2017-11-30 7221.48 | 69 2018-01-17 8317.13 | 69 2018-02-20 12696.03 | 69 2018-01-31 1084423.45
70 2018-02-26 10045.70 | 70 2018-02-23 7177.74 | 70 2017-11-30 8294.99 | 70 2018-02-22 12627.36 | 70 2017-11-27 1075672.88
71 2018-02-16 10023.95 | 71 2017-11-27 7172.68 | 71 2018-02-22 8284.40 | 71 2018-01-17 12611.64 | 71 2018-02-19 1074929.23
72 2018-02-23 10021.35 | 72 2018-02-26 7160.38 | 72 2018-02-23 8231.30 | 72 2018-02-16 12581.98 | 72 2018-02-21 1058764.04
73 2018-01-31 9944.16 | 73 2018-02-16 7138.99 | 73 2018-02-26 8144.62 | 73 2018-02-26 12539.67 | 73 2018-02-23 1031234.97
74 2018-02-24 9862.46 | 74 2018-02-24 7085.86 | 74 2018-02-16 8057.08 | 74 2018-02-24 12431.65 | 74 2018-02-16 1028710.39
75 2017-11-28 9852.65 | 75 2018-02-15 7039.32 | 75 2018-01-31 8055.84 | 75 2018-01-31 12247.77 | 75 2018-02-24 1020840.02
76 2018-02-15 9831.31 | 76 2018-01-31 7035.08 | 76 2018-02-15 8018.65 | 76 2018-02-15 12183.25 | 76 2018-02-26 1018567.60
77 2017-11-30 9715.31 | 77 2017-11-26 6826.90 | 77 2018-02-24 8008.84 | 77 2018-02-25 12079.51 | 77 2018-02-22 1017749.42
78 2018-02-25 9546.58 | 78 2018-02-25 6816.18 | 78 2017-11-27 7969.07 | 78 2017-11-27 12061.24 | 78 2018-02-01 1013975.22
79 2017-11-27 9527.86 | 79 2018-02-14 6539.05 | 79 2018-02-25 7796.62 | 79 2017-11-26 11699.45 | 79 2017-11-26 1008142.59
80 2018-02-01 9222.28 | 80 2018-02-01 6475.10 | 80 2017-11-26 7490.80 | 80 2018-02-14 11399.18 | 80 2018-02-15 1005994.87
81 2018-02-14 9092.78 | 81 2017-11-25 6374.80 | 81 2018-02-14 7413.75 | 81 2018-02-01 11332.61 | 81 2018-02-25 983900.27
82 2017-11-26 9027.86 | 82 2018-02-03 6331.06 | 82 2018-02-03 7311.27 | 82 2018-02-04 10979.43 | 82 2018-02-03 960721.98
83 2018-02-03 8928.31 | 83 2018-02-10 6290.43 | 83 2018-02-01 7218.41 | 83 2018-02-10 10968.36 | 83 2017-11-25 946764.10
84 2018-02-12 8662.80 | 84 2018-02-12 6270.53 | 84 2018-02-10 7131.99 | 84 2018-02-03 10946.77 | 84 2018-02-14 937546.44
85 2018-02-10 8662.42 | 85 2018-02-13 6200.65 | 85 2018-02-12 7098.81 | 85 2018-02-13 10896.44 | 85 2018-02-10 936386.10
86 2018-02-13 8588.47 | 86 2017-11-22 6198.12 | 86 2017-11-25 7084.35 | 86 2018-02-12 10871.50 | 86 2018-02-04 927542.95
87 2018-02-04 8477.23 | 87 2017-11-24 6164.11 | 87 2017-11-24 7038.74 | 87 2017-11-25 10748.84 | 87 2017-11-22 918157.52
88 2018-02-02 8409.31 | 88 2017-11-21 6155.42 | 88 2017-11-22 7021.91 | 88 2017-11-21 10657.96 | 88 2017-11-21 914208.36
89 2017-11-25 8407.83 | 89 2017-11-23 6154.90 | 89 2018-02-13 7008.79 | 89 2017-11-22 10646.53 | 89 2018-02-12 913741.73
90 2018-02-09 8254.92 | 90 2017-11-20 6151.56 | 90 2017-11-21 6995.34 | 90 2018-02-09 10631.05 | 90 2017-11-20 909006.92
91 2018-02-08 8228.03 | 91 2018-02-04 6020.84 | 91 2017-11-23 6937.20 | 91 2017-11-20 10509.97 | 91 2017-11-23 908690.93
92 2017-11-22 8196.45 | 92 2018-02-09 6003.81 | 92 2017-11-20 6900.82 | 92 2017-11-23 10450.33 | 92 2017-11-24 908057.15
93 2017-11-24 8154.14 | 93 2018-02-08 5993.24 | 93 2018-02-09 6841.11 | 93 2018-02-02 10443.56 | 93 2018-02-02 907015.64
94 2017-11-23 8147.26 | 94 2018-02-11 5979.32 | 94 2018-02-08 6817.20 | 94 2017-11-24 10433.99 | 94 2018-02-13 905290.22
95 2018-02-11 8145.40 | 95 2017-11-17 5912.03 | 95 2018-02-04 6775.00 | 95 2018-02-11 10343.86 | 95 2018-02-08 891918.66
96 2017-11-20 8113.74 | 96 2018-02-02 5909.25 | 96 2018-02-11 6694.58 | 96 2018-02-08 10321.99 | 96 2018-02-09 886663.80
97 2017-11-21 8096.38 | 97 2017-11-19 5890.90 | 97 2017-11-19 6653.51 | 97 2017-11-19 10110.43 | 97 2017-11-17 885711.43
98 2018-02-07 7986.14 | 98 2017-11-18 5834.13 | 98 2017-11-17 6624.27 | 98 2018-02-07 10047.68 | 98 2017-11-19 881532.52
99 2017-11-19 7863.96 | 99 2018-02-07 5833.03 | 99 2018-02-07 6586.24 | 99 2017-11-17 9927.20 | 99 2018-02-11 877837.88
100 2017-11-17 7797.30 | 100 2017-11-16 5779.49 | 100 2017-11-18 6559.28 | 100 2017-11-18 9899.80 | 100 2017-11-18 860561.78
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Do you have stats on average return on investment solely for dilution fees based on the time of investment?
Wouldn't it be zero? For every dilution fee that was paid by an investor, an equal amount was received by investors. So the sum is zero, and so the average is zero. At least it would have been if Daniel didn't just refund people out of his own pocket. |
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Why did you only answer one small part of dooglus's questions?
Ryan had already answered the other parts. |
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What's the chance the house will be bankrupt by a mega whale after the first bet? 49.5%
After 2 bets? 74.4975%
3 bets? 87.1212375%
4 bets? 93.496224937%
30 bets? 99.999999874%
Since anyone can challenge the house for 100% of it's bankroll at any time, bankruptcy is basically inevitable.
I just read your post. It's very similar to mine.  What you're missing though is that in the rare chance that the house doesn't bust it has made such a massive profit that its expected profit is still positive. Let's say you played a coin toss game that's weighted 60:40 in your favor, you had $1000, and your opponent had $1000. You can choose how much you wager each toss, and you keep playing until either you or your opponent is bankrupt.
If you bet $1000 on 1 toss, that's basically a 60% you'll end up finishing the game with $2000, and 40% you finish with $0. Only an idiot would play like this (if you happened to only have 40% to win instead (-EV), then this is actually the optimal way to play).
The problem with these investing games is that we don't get to "keep playing until either you or your opponent is bankrupt". We only get to play for as long as the whale wants to play. He might only make a single large bet. What if you're playing the 60:40 coin toss game against an opponent who will call "game over" at some unknown point in the future? Would that change your strategy? |
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the part that I found the most counter-intuitive is that if the casino is over-risking to the point that it expects to lose money, shouldn't it be profitable for a whale to play there?
And...? Don't leave us hanging! How did you resolve this? If the house expects to lose money because it's over leveraged, and the player expects to lose money because of the house edge, where is all the money expected to end up??? My guess is that the house never "expects to lose money". It's just that the probability of going bust gets higher. For example if the house has no maximum bet, and is always willing to risk its entire bankroll every roll, it will go bankrupt as soon as a suitably rich whale wins a single bet. But if the house is paying only 2x for a 49.5% bet, the house still expects to profit by 1% of the amount wagered. Consider the case where the house starts with 1 unit, and the whale bets the whole bankroll against the house up to 3 times in a row or until the house goes bust: There's a 0.495% chance that the house goes bust on the first bet, losing 1 unit. There's a 0.505*0.495 chance that the house goes bust on the 2nd bet, losing 1 unit. There's a 0.505*0.505*0.495 chance that the house goes bust on the 3rd bet, losing 1 unit. There's a 0.505*0.505*0.505 chance that the house wins all 3 bets, profiting 1 + 2 + 4 = 7 units. Expected profit = (0.495 + 0.505*0.495 + 0.505*0.505*0.495) * -1 + (0.505*0.505*0.505) * 7 = 0.030301 units. So while there's a 87.12% chance that the house goes bust in the first 3 bets, there's a 12.88% chance that it wins 1+2+4 from the first 3 bets, which means the expected profit is positive. |
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Update:
BitStamp USD/BTC CoinFloor GBP/BTC bitcoin.de EUR/BTC Kraken CAD/BTC CoinCheck JPY/BTC
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1 2017-12-17 19110.24 | 1 2017-12-18 13886.02 | 1 2017-12-17 15658.09 | 1 2017-12-17 24642.65 | 1 2017-12-17 2208232.68
2 2017-12-18 18634.42 | 2 2017-12-17 13482.88 | 2 2017-12-18 15501.51 | 2 2017-12-18 24087.89 | 2 2017-12-18 2147476.58
3 2017-12-16 18430.69 | 3 2017-12-19 13293.37 | 3 2017-12-19 15113.13 | 3 2017-12-16 23513.76 | 3 2017-12-19 2138407.06
4 2017-12-19 17986.05 | 4 2017-12-16 13238.25 | 4 2017-12-16 15057.27 | 4 2017-12-19 23475.60 | 4 2017-12-16 2112793.63
5 2017-12-15 17335.00 | 5 2017-12-15 12785.33 | 5 2017-12-20 14098.85 | 5 2017-12-20 20953.57 | 5 2017-12-15 2002191.91
6 2017-12-12 16854.87 | 6 2017-12-12 12770.59 | 6 2017-12-15 13985.41 | 6 2017-12-11 20544.35 | 6 2017-12-20 1992847.24
7 2017-12-20 16724.84 | 7 2017-12-13 12516.97 | 7 2018-01-06 13828.82 | 7 2017-12-12 20516.32 | 7 2018-01-06 1987945.42
8 2018-01-06 16670.80 | 8 2017-12-14 12273.00 | 8 2017-12-12 13733.76 | 8 2017-12-15 20249.75 | 8 2018-01-07 1981675.94
9 2017-12-13 16434.93 | 9 2017-12-11 12260.26 | 9 2018-01-07 13567.26 | 9 2017-12-27 20182.52 | 9 2017-12-12 1937334.18
10 2018-01-07 16397.33 | 10 2017-12-20 12197.81 | 10 2017-12-13 13526.62 | 10 2018-01-06 19982.12 | 10 2017-12-21 1935878.79
11 2017-12-14 16351.30 | 11 2018-01-06 12117.54 | 11 2018-01-05 13386.91 | 11 2017-12-26 19879.50 | 11 2018-01-05 1930061.42
12 2017-12-11 16293.32 | 12 2018-01-07 12013.61 | 12 2017-12-14 13286.99 | 12 2017-12-13 19707.32 | 12 2017-12-08 1929195.60
13 2017-12-21 16033.61 | 13 2018-01-05 11980.50 | 13 2017-12-11 13264.56 | 13 2017-12-21 19620.54 | 13 2017-12-13 1919254.02
14 2018-01-05 15982.35 | 14 2017-12-21 11739.99 | 14 2017-12-27 13065.56 | 14 2017-12-08 19415.42 | 14 2017-12-11 1916643.99
15 2017-12-27 15460.55 | 15 2017-12-27 11494.86 | 15 2017-12-21 12771.18 | 15 2018-01-07 19333.13 | 15 2017-12-14 1914205.89
16 2017-12-26 15342.51 | 16 2017-12-26 11427.93 | 16 2018-01-08 12745.05 | 16 2017-12-23 19289.87 | 16 2018-01-09 1879057.11
17 2017-12-08 15285.20 | 17 2017-12-08 11363.96 | 17 2017-12-26 12722.92 | 17 2017-12-07 19037.88 | 17 2018-01-08 1872712.28
18 2018-01-08 15103.89 | 18 2017-12-23 11247.75 | 18 2017-12-08 12721.89 | 18 2017-12-14 19011.89 | 18 2017-12-07 1817693.42
19 2018-01-03 14960.44 | 19 2017-12-07 11201.99 | 19 2017-12-23 12706.31 | 19 2017-12-09 18953.24 | 19 2017-12-27 1817589.75
20 2017-12-07 14840.19 | 20 2018-01-03 11111.99 | 20 2018-01-03 12648.41 | 20 2018-01-05 18889.63 | 20 2018-01-10 1811775.67
21 2018-01-04 14806.72 | 21 2018-01-04 10974.64 | 21 2017-12-07 12560.48 | 21 2018-01-03 18813.94 | 21 2018-01-04 1795246.51
22 2017-12-23 14785.39 | 22 2017-12-29 10842.96 | 22 2018-01-09 12545.88 | 22 2017-12-29 18683.70 | 22 2017-12-23 1761441.86
23 2018-01-09 14703.62 | 23 2017-12-28 10754.59 | 23 2018-01-04 12498.72 | 23 2017-12-28 18515.18 | 23 2017-12-26 1753340.91
24 2017-12-29 14492.22 | 24 2017-12-09 10675.38 | 24 2017-12-29 12408.33 | 24 2017-12-10 18514.83 | 24 2018-01-03 1749549.25
25 2017-12-09 14402.98 | 25 2017-12-10 10550.90 | 25 2017-12-28 12269.22 | 25 2018-01-04 18463.91 | 25 2018-01-11 1722489.02
26 2018-01-13 14233.65 | 26 2018-01-10 10529.65 | 26 2018-01-02 11952.13 | 26 2018-01-08 18210.44 | 26 2018-01-13 1721199.20
27 2017-12-10 14233.61 | 27 2018-01-02 10494.90 | 27 2018-01-10 11921.64 | 27 2018-01-09 18132.12 | 27 2017-12-29 1719610.87
28 2017-12-28 14158.69 | 28 2017-12-25 10301.08 | 28 2017-12-25 11828.70 | 28 2017-12-25 18058.69 | 28 2017-12-09 1714008.24
29 2018-01-10 14135.53 | 29 2018-01-13 10280.98 | 29 2017-12-09 11719.94 | 29 2018-01-13 17857.23 | 29 2018-01-15 1697105.74
30 2018-01-02 14057.88 | 30 2017-12-24 10137.43 | 30 2018-01-13 11698.20 | 30 2018-01-02 17798.86 | 30 2018-01-14 1689346.03
31 2017-12-25 13951.90 | 31 2018-01-11 10107.25 | 31 2017-12-10 11645.29 | 31 2017-12-24 17785.50 | 31 2017-12-22 1681879.00
32 2018-01-15 13875.59 | 32 2018-01-15 10102.36 | 32 2018-01-15 11464.66 | 32 2018-01-10 17560.34 | 32 2017-12-28 1679909.38
33 2018-01-12 13652.81 | 33 2018-01-12 10062.15 | 33 2017-12-24 11448.13 | 33 2018-01-14 17330.00 | 33 2018-01-12 1678355.89
34 2018-01-11 13593.74 | 34 2017-12-22 10015.25 | 34 2018-01-11 11417.92 | 34 2017-12-22 17293.28 | 34 2017-12-10 1673950.07
35 2018-01-14 13544.44 | 35 2017-12-30 9943.28 | 35 2018-01-01 11395.28 | 35 2018-01-01 17184.25 | 35 2018-01-02 1666237.42
36 2017-12-24 13525.02 | 36 2017-12-31 9907.80 | 36 2017-12-30 11361.63 | 36 2017-12-31 17044.58 | 36 2017-12-24 1641133.80
37 2017-12-22 13441.46 | 37 2018-01-14 9824.67 | 37 2018-01-12 11329.74 | 37 2018-01-11 16891.64 | 37 2017-12-25 1635696.28
38 2018-01-01 13373.48 | 38 2018-01-01 9680.28 | 38 2017-12-31 11215.40 | 38 2017-12-30 16814.82 | 38 2018-01-01 1632002.03
39 2017-12-31 13342.58 | 39 2017-12-06 9483.20 | 39 2018-01-14 11168.22 | 39 2018-01-15 16227.88 | 39 2017-12-30 1611603.68
40 2017-12-30 13148.96 | 40 2018-01-20 8854.32 | 40 2017-12-06 10751.76 | 40 2017-12-06 16148.38 | 40 2017-12-31 1589328.29
41 2017-12-06 12664.26 | 41 2017-12-05 8706.88 | 41 2017-12-22 10697.23 | 41 2018-01-20 15995.10 | 41 2017-12-06 1436022.07
42 2018-01-20 12486.57 | 42 2018-01-16 8438.76 | 42 2018-01-20 10272.94 | 42 2018-01-21 15235.03 | 42 2018-01-20 1402564.49
43 2018-01-21 11826.96 | 43 2018-01-18 8432.58 | 43 2017-12-05 9819.56 | 43 2017-12-05 15077.99 | 43 2018-01-16 1398775.46
44 2018-01-16 11800.13 | 44 2017-12-04 8406.93 | 44 2018-01-18 9795.35 | 44 2018-01-19 14841.78 | 44 2018-01-21 1355354.66
45 2018-01-28 11704.54 | 45 2018-01-19 8394.36 | 45 2018-01-21 9781.20 | 45 2018-01-18 14570.36 | 45 2018-01-18 1328605.06
46 2017-12-05 11652.18 | 46 2018-01-21 8298.04 | 46 2018-01-19 9627.51 | 46 2017-12-04 14565.38 | 46 2017-12-05 1313702.65
47 2018-01-18 11537.72 | 47 2018-02-20 8278.92 | 47 2018-01-16 9452.60 | 47 2018-01-28 14378.22 | 47 2018-01-19 1311600.98
48 2018-01-19 11499.77 | 48 2017-12-03 8273.53 | 48 2017-12-04 9449.78 | 48 2017-12-03 14277.94 | 48 2017-12-04 1285279.27
49 2018-02-20 11470.15 | 49 2018-01-28 8132.24 | 49 2018-02-20 9380.32 | 49 2018-01-29 14185.39 | 49 2017-12-03 1272957.31
50 2017-12-04 11314.70 | 50 2017-12-02 8049.88 | 50 2018-01-28 9331.17 | 50 2018-01-25 14063.62 | 50 2018-01-28 1268723.93
51 2018-01-25 11301.56 | 51 2018-01-27 7958.24 | 51 2017-12-03 9329.98 | 51 2018-01-27 13981.09 | 51 2018-01-25 1246767.73
52 2018-01-27 11287.97 | 52 2018-01-29 7936.29 | 52 2018-01-25 9131.73 | 52 2018-01-22 13898.59 | 52 2018-01-22 1237038.58
53 2018-01-29 11284.76 | 53 2018-01-25 7909.08 | 53 2017-12-02 9112.20 | 53 2017-12-02 13889.39 | 53 2017-12-02 1234277.76
54 2017-12-03 11249.50 | 54 2018-02-19 7850.45 | 54 2018-01-29 9092.24 | 54 2018-01-24 13749.91 | 54 2018-01-29 1232346.01
55 2018-01-24 11061.00 | 55 2018-01-24 7817.82 | 55 2018-01-27 9049.38 | 55 2018-01-26 13669.89 | 55 2018-01-24 1221183.94
56 2017-12-02 10927.84 | 56 2018-02-21 7777.53 | 56 2018-01-24 9002.85 | 56 2018-01-23 13639.96 | 56 2018-01-17 1205875.10
57 2018-02-19 10924.92 | 57 2018-01-22 7768.04 | 57 2018-01-22 8959.51 | 57 2018-01-16 13406.46 | 57 2018-01-27 1199675.53
58 2018-01-22 10899.45 | 58 2017-11-29 7677.37 | 58 2018-02-19 8872.31 | 58 2017-11-29 13348.05 | 58 2018-01-23 1189808.28
59 2018-01-26 10880.53 | 59 2018-01-23 7668.96 | 59 2018-01-26 8791.98 | 59 2018-02-17 13321.23 | 59 2017-11-29 1186133.94
60 2018-02-21 10789.44 | 60 2018-01-26 7661.50 | 60 2018-02-21 8783.12 | 60 2017-12-01 13293.16 | 60 2018-01-26 1171990.77
61 2018-02-18 10708.96 | 61 2018-02-18 7660.35 | 61 2017-11-29 8762.11 | 61 2018-02-18 13134.34 | 61 2017-12-01 1169514.93
62 2018-02-17 10703.13 | 62 2017-12-01 7654.64 | 62 2018-01-23 8759.90 | 62 2017-11-30 13114.08 | 62 2017-11-30 1152668.34
63 2018-01-23 10687.97 | 63 2018-02-17 7599.27 | 63 2018-02-17 8684.53 | 63 2018-01-30 13030.30 | 63 2018-01-30 1142717.48
64 2018-01-17 10474.08 | 64 2018-01-17 7570.99 | 64 2017-12-01 8684.00 | 64 2018-02-19 12935.39 | 64 2018-02-20 1121911.57
65 2018-01-30 10395.94 | 65 2018-01-30 7386.32 | 65 2018-02-18 8653.89 | 65 2018-02-21 12816.19 | 65 2017-11-28 1121334.43
66 2017-11-29 10377.66 | 66 2017-11-28 7383.53 | 66 2018-01-30 8472.54 | 66 2017-11-28 12709.29 | 66 2018-02-18 1097377.77
67 2017-12-01 10287.37 | 67 2018-02-22 7287.15 | 67 2017-11-28 8341.06 | 67 2018-02-23 12707.55 | 67 2018-02-17 1095066.28
68 2018-02-22 10198.18 | 68 2017-11-30 7221.48 | 68 2018-01-17 8317.13 | 68 2018-02-20 12696.03 | 68 2018-01-31 1084423.45
69 2018-02-26 10045.70 | 69 2018-02-23 7177.74 | 69 2017-11-30 8294.99 | 69 2018-02-22 12627.36 | 69 2017-11-27 1075672.88
70 2018-02-16 10023.95 | 70 2017-11-27 7172.68 | 70 2018-02-22 8284.40 | 70 2018-01-17 12611.64 | 70 2018-02-19 1074929.23
71 2018-02-23 10021.35 | 71 2018-02-26 7160.38 | 71 2018-02-23 8231.30 | 71 2018-02-16 12581.98 | 71 2018-02-21 1058764.04
72 2018-01-31 9944.16 | 72 2018-02-16 7138.99 | 72 2018-02-26 8144.62 | 72 2018-02-26 12539.67 | 72 2018-02-23 1031234.97
73 2018-02-24 9862.46 | 73 2018-02-24 7085.86 | 73 2018-02-16 8057.08 | 73 2018-02-24 12431.65 | 73 2018-02-16 1028710.39
74 2017-11-28 9852.65 | 74 2018-02-15 7039.32 | 74 2018-01-31 8055.84 | 74 2018-01-31 12247.77 | 74 2018-02-24 1020840.02
75 2018-02-15 9831.31 | 75 2018-01-31 7035.08 | 75 2018-02-15 8018.65 | 75 2018-02-15 12183.25 | 75 2018-02-26 1018567.60
76 2017-11-30 9715.31 | 76 2017-11-26 6826.90 | 76 2018-02-24 8008.84 | 76 2018-02-25 12079.51 | 76 2018-02-22 1017749.42
77 2018-02-25 9546.58 | 77 2018-02-25 6816.18 | 77 2017-11-27 7969.07 | 77 2017-11-27 12061.24 | 77 2018-02-01 1013975.22
78 2017-11-27 9527.86 | 78 2018-02-14 6539.05 | 78 2018-02-25 7796.62 | 78 2017-11-26 11699.45 | 78 2017-11-26 1008142.59
79 2018-02-01 9222.28 | 79 2018-02-01 6475.10 | 79 2017-11-26 7490.80 | 79 2018-02-14 11399.18 | 79 2018-02-15 1005994.87
80 2018-02-14 9092.78 | 80 2017-11-25 6374.80 | 80 2018-02-14 7413.75 | 80 2018-02-01 11332.61 | 80 2018-02-25 983900.27
81 2017-11-26 9027.86 | 81 2018-02-03 6331.06 | 81 2018-02-03 7311.27 | 81 2018-02-04 10979.43 | 81 2018-02-03 960721.98
82 2018-02-03 8928.31 | 82 2018-02-10 6290.43 | 82 2018-02-01 7218.41 | 82 2018-02-10 10968.36 | 82 2017-11-25 946764.10
83 2018-02-12 8662.80 | 83 2018-02-12 6270.53 | 83 2018-02-10 7131.99 | 83 2018-02-03 10946.77 | 83 2018-02-14 937546.44
84 2018-02-10 8662.42 | 84 2018-02-13 6200.65 | 84 2018-02-12 7098.81 | 84 2018-02-13 10896.44 | 84 2018-02-10 936386.10
85 2018-02-13 8588.47 | 85 2017-11-22 6198.12 | 85 2017-11-25 7084.35 | 85 2018-02-12 10871.50 | 85 2018-02-04 927542.95
86 2018-02-04 8477.23 | 86 2017-11-24 6164.11 | 86 2017-11-24 7038.74 | 86 2017-11-25 10748.84 | 86 2017-11-22 918157.52
87 2018-02-02 8409.31 | 87 2017-11-21 6155.42 | 87 2017-11-22 7021.91 | 87 2017-11-21 10657.96 | 87 2017-11-21 914208.36
88 2017-11-25 8407.83 | 88 2017-11-23 6154.90 | 88 2018-02-13 7008.79 | 88 2017-11-22 10646.53 | 88 2018-02-12 913741.73
89 2018-02-09 8254.92 | 89 2017-11-20 6151.56 | 89 2017-11-21 6995.34 | 89 2018-02-09 10631.05 | 89 2017-11-20 909006.92
90 2018-02-08 8228.03 | 90 2018-02-04 6020.84 | 90 2017-11-23 6937.20 | 90 2017-11-20 10509.97 | 90 2017-11-23 908690.93
91 2017-11-22 8196.45 | 91 2018-02-09 6003.81 | 91 2017-11-20 6900.82 | 91 2017-11-23 10450.33 | 91 2017-11-24 908057.15
92 2017-11-24 8154.14 | 92 2018-02-08 5993.24 | 92 2018-02-09 6841.11 | 92 2018-02-02 10443.56 | 92 2018-02-02 907015.64
93 2017-11-23 8147.26 | 93 2018-02-11 5979.32 | 93 2018-02-08 6817.20 | 93 2017-11-24 10433.99 | 93 2018-02-13 905290.22
94 2018-02-11 8145.40 | 94 2017-11-17 5912.03 | 94 2018-02-04 6775.00 | 94 2018-02-11 10343.86 | 94 2018-02-08 891918.66
95 2017-11-20 8113.74 | 95 2018-02-02 5909.25 | 95 2018-02-11 6694.58 | 95 2018-02-08 10321.99 | 95 2018-02-09 886663.80
96 2017-11-21 8096.38 | 96 2017-11-19 5890.90 | 96 2017-11-19 6653.51 | 96 2017-11-19 10110.43 | 96 2017-11-17 885711.43
97 2018-02-07 7986.14 | 97 2017-11-18 5834.13 | 97 2017-11-17 6624.27 | 97 2018-02-07 10047.68 | 97 2017-11-19 881532.52
98 2017-11-19 7863.96 | 98 2018-02-07 5833.03 | 98 2018-02-07 6586.24 | 98 2017-11-17 9927.20 | 98 2018-02-11 877837.88
99 2017-11-17 7797.30 | 99 2017-11-16 5779.49 | 99 2017-11-18 6559.28 | 99 2017-11-18 9899.80 | 99 2017-11-18 860561.78
100 2017-11-18 7679.33 | 100 2017-11-05 5680.19 | 100 2018-02-02 6528.48 | 100 2017-11-16 9605.37 | 100 2017-11-05 855375.14
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It is worth mentioning that while it might be tempting to set your offsite to something higher than you actually have, by doing so you would most likely end up earning less than you would otherwise.
I'm not sure that's accurate. Most likely the site will continue to profit overall with swings up and down along the way. It's possible that there will be a downswing large enough to cause a 2:1 leverage investor to lose their position, but "most likely" it won't happen, and so "most likely" the 2:1 leverage investor will do better than an investor with no leverage. Or am I missing something? I'm not saying there's no risk, but it's more like a small risk of catastrophe than a big risk of small loss. As an analogy, a risky home owner might decide not to buy fire insurance. You would want to warn them that it's a risky move, but to tell them that they will "most likely" end up worse off that someone who did buy the insurance wouldn't be correct. Most homes don't burn down, and so in most cases paying for insurance is a waste of money. I recommend only investing offsite if you actually have the funds and are prepared to deposit them quickly in order to avoid a margin call if necessary.
Or if you understand the risks, and want a higher risk, higher reward investment, right? I'm also a bit confused by these two apparently contradictory statements you made: Leverage of 2:1 means that your onsite investment can "control" a total investment twice its size. In other words, your offsite can be up to the size of your onsite (10 BTC in your example).
and: Assuming your onsite is 10 BTC, your offsite is 20 BTC
If 2:1 means offsite amount is same as onsite amount, and 2:1 is the limit, how could he have 20 offsite and only 10 onsite? |
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