(1) 'Gravity Well' to an extent.
(2) Being first to the market always has an advantage just like bitcoin. Especially if the DRK dev team is leading the development of P2P Darksend.
(1) I'm not talking about multipools. Taking advantage of difficulty is something entirely different. Although now that I think about it, the lower power consumption is already built into price parity so the point really only applies to mining farms that pay very large electricity costs (e.g. European levels). My own view was screwy because I don't pay for electricity so I wasn't thinking about it.  (2) Time frames have shortened considerably. Prior to Dec. 2013, being first meant being the only one for months or even over a year. Now a new clone coin comes around every hour. First to market means less. (1) IMHO many small, low key miners can help to build a coins economy and support from the grass roots up. Just like bitcoin in its early days. So if Darkcoin can stay accessible to CPU miners and more GPU miners due to lower running costs. Then all the better IMO. (2) I'll repeat if the DRK development team can stay in the lead of P2P Darksend development. Then Darkcoin can stay a market leader in its niche. |
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DRK has two big issues that I see: (1) Because the power draw is only 60% of scrypt, large GPU farms that mine altcoins and dump them for BTC/fiat have an incentive to target DRK. More profit even at price parity due to lower electricity costs. This will keep market supply high perpetually and hence keep the price low. (2) The legions of unremarkable clone-coins will implement DarkSend once it's open-sourced. See how zero-talent "devs" are copy-pasting Vertcoin's anti-ASIC adaptive N algorithm. For both (1) and (2) the solution is greater adoption. In the case of (1) it reduces these quasi-commercial dumpers to a smaller proportion of the market. In the case of (2), it allows DRK to achieve escape velocity and get to a point where a competing clone coin can't catch up due to lacking the network effect. So I see "marketing" as crucial, even in the short-term. In any case, DarkSend should probably be kept closed-source before hitting at least Bter and BTC38 (not that I'm in any position to advise devs). Call it an extended mandatory beta or something.  (1) 'Gravity Well' to an extent. (2) Being first to the market always has an advantage just like bitcoin. Especially if the DRK dev team is leading the development of P2P Darksend. |
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CPU's
AMD A10-6700 ~81kH/s per core - darkcoin-cpuminer-1.3-avx-aes - Lubuntu 13.10x64
is that in addition to using the gpu miner on the integrated gfx, or is that instead? My A8-3870k ( first gen a8) can do 245khs with the gpu miner on the integrated gfx, so hoping that's the former. xfx 5850: 950khs sapphire 7950: 1.8mhs sapphire oc 7970: 2.1mhs msi ref 7970: 2.1mhs msi oc 7970: 2.2mhs diamond ref 7970: 2.1mhs powercolor pcs+ 7970: 2.2mhs Yeah it's the former I haven't managed to fire up the 8670D GPU/APU yet. |
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CPU's
AMD A10-6700 ~81kH/s per core - darkcoin-cpuminer-1.3-avx-aes - Four CPU cores TDP 65W - Lubuntu 13.10x64
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GPU's
Sapphire R9 290x Tri-X (1040 mhz core, 1500 mhz memory) = 2.85 to 3.0 MH/s
Gigabyte R9 290 - 1050 core, 0 PT, Stock Mem, 2.5-2.6mh/s
SAPPHIRE R9 280X TOXIC ~2.31MH/s (stock GPU 1150MHz GDDR5 1600MHz) g 2 -w 256 --lookup-gap 2 --thread-concurrency 8192 --shaders 2048 - Sensor 0: Temperature 61.00C - sgminer 4.1.0-85-gccc7d - Lubuntu 13.10x64 - DISPLAY=:0 aticonfig --od-enable --adapter=all --odsc=1220,1920
his 280x 1120/1500 2.2M/s
powercolor pcs+ 7970: 2.2mhs
msi oc 7970: 2.2mhs
Gigabyte 7970 2.123Mh/s 1075/1450
diamond ref 7970: 2.1mhs
msi ref 7970: 2.1mhs
sapphire oc 7970: 2.1mhs
Asus r9 280x DC2Top - 1.99 MH
Sapphire HD 7950: 1.84 MHash/sec sgminer -k darkcoin --thread-concurrency 14336 --intensity 18 --gpu-engine 1100 --gpu-memclock 1250 --gpu-powertune 10
sapphire 7950: 1.8mhs
msi 270 1140/1600 1.66M/s
ASUS 6950, core 900Mhz : 1420 Kh/s
Vtx3D 7870XT (Tahiti 1536 shaders), core 1000 Mhz: 1400 Kh/s low latency Bios mod
Gigabyte R9-270, core 1100 Mhz: 1340 Kh/s "intensity" : "18", "worksize" : "128", "thread-concurrency" : "8193", "gpu-threads" : "4", Vram always at 1500 Mhz.
Sapphire 270x 4GB 1.310Mh/s 1150/1500
5850 860/1000 1.2M/s
XFX 5830 @ 960 MHz = 1100 Khash (sph-sgminer 4.1)
Sapphire 6850 @ 960MHz = 1050 Khash (sph-sgminer 4.1)
6870 930/1050 1M/s
XFX 5830 @ 820 MHz = 958 Khash (sph-sgminer 4.1)
xfx 5850: 950khs
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Compiling a list of Darkcoin Hardware Hashrates. Post your hardware and hashrate and I'll add it to the list. Please quote the hashrate as seen by the mining software and not the pool.
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Have Anoncoin copied this patch? What/Howto I2PHere are some parameters: -i2psessionname=<session name> - name of an I2P session. If it is not specified, value will be "Anoncoin-client"
-samhost=<ip or host name> - address of the SAM bridge host. If it is not specified, value will be "127.0.0.1"
-samport=<port> - port number of the SAM bridge host. If it is not specified, value will be "7656".
-mydestination=<pub+priv i2p-keys> - your full destination (public+private keys). If it is not specified, the client will geneterate a random destination for you. See below (Starting wallet with a permanent i2p-address) more details about this option.
-generatei2pdestination - if this option is specified, your client will start for generation i2p-destination only and will close after that.
Your client will act as a gateway between I2P and clearnet if you don't add -onlynet=i2p If you have used your Anoncoin client on clearnet before, you might need to delete peers.dat if you don't get any connections. To use the wallet on I2P do the following:1. Download and install I2P ( www.geti2p.net ), then start it. (It will run as a daemon, so don't expect any window) 2. Wait a minute or two, then navigate to http://127.0.0.1:7657/configclients3. Make sure to start the "SAM application bridge" (Tip: After starting it, check it for autostart and save configuration) 4. In run (enter the start menu and type run on windows Vista/7) type %appdata% 5. Open or create the Anoncoin folder 6. Create/edit the anoncoin.conf file 7. make sure to set the following options: rpcuser, rpcpassword and onlynet=i2p 8. (Optional) you can set i2p=1 instead of onlynet=i2p Example: rpcuser=someone
rpcpassword=super_secret_password
onlynet=i2p
Note: The I2P router uses a little time to integrate into the I2P network, so you might not get a connection before I2P have runned for about 5-10minutes. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309716.msg3324938#msg3324938If so how difficult would it be to port to other coins? |
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Anyone know the power requirements for the Neptunes? I have some coming in and i want to buy some power supplies before hand. i can't really ask for a refund as i have others depending on me making bitcoins for them.
There is only speculation at this point as KnC has not released any final details yet. But it's likely going to require you to run your Neptune inside a co-location as you will likely need two to four 20AMP circuits to power one. In co-lo's you pay per circuit and not pay for the consumption of power. What 40A to 80A at 230V to power one Neptune I don't think so. Even 40A@110V sounds far too high as Bitmine can get ~1(GH/s)/~1W@28nm at the wall socket. |
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I know tor is a mixing service of sorts, dark wallet will be a 3rd party wallet, and I have no idea how that will work. Any coin can use tor, so that's nothing special. Darkcoin hides from the blockchain, all addresses and therefore protects the user's privacy period. From the wallet, decentralized, 99% obfuscated (with 1% unknown) Has anyone thought of bringing this Bitcoin I2p patch over to Darkcoin - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151181.0 - I know Anoncoin have done it - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309716.msg3324938#msg3324938 - Then it truly would be dark  I know you can make the current wallet run over Tor, but that makes all nodes go through Clearnet. If the I2p patch was brought over to Darkcoin, then nodes could completely exist within the Darknet. |
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seems weird that my name would be repetitiously brought up wrt some sort of 'classic fudster' nonsense when all i have done is point out lies & liars.
it is not my doing or fault they were so vociferous, i merely came to point them out.
would it be better if they were left in peace to run amok among us??
seems that some would believe it to be so, i wonder why??
now that scammer1969 and his alter-ego brothers/mates have slunk off isnt it nicer & safer here?
i certainly think so, even if KnC still show us the same disregard they pretty much always have done.
it baffles me why some posters would prefer if the scammers were given free reign to just be cunts and even go so far as to defend them and/or offer them 'donations'
anyway, for 32 grand im entitled to voice my opinions, so put that in your pipe and dont smoke it, this is a public space!!
OTT & vicious, indeed!!
have you got any proof that pheonix1969 was a scammer? If you have then just prove it and stop. or were you offended by some dispute/remarks by pheonix1969 in the past and haven't got over it? You're just making yourself look like someone not operating on all cylinders. Let it go, enough is enough. One theory I can believe is that pheonix1969 was a big KNC fanboy, so the FUDster's felt it their duty at character assassination to help further their cause. |
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Sending the original payment for a Neptune by bank wire transfer, plus KnC taking out of the refund their bank's wire transfer fee plus my bank's incoming wire fee in the end has cost me $82 for the pleasure of doing business with KnC.
With friends like this, who needs enemies?
Totally. You know what really bugs me? KNC claim to support bitcoin, but force everyone to accept refunds via wire transfer - the total anathema of bitcoin. If they BELIEVE in bitcoin and are a bitcoin company, EVERYTHING should be transacted in bitcoin. End of. They like it when they get paid in bitcoin - they pay zero fees. But they are happy to fuck their customers the other way around and force them to swallow all the wire transfer fees, so it doesn't cost them anything to do business. Bunch of lying, greedy assholes lining their pockets with no interest in supporting crypto currencies, only profiteering, nothing else. Have you even got a life or is it your day job to spread FUD on KNC. |
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From tape out to mass production can be done within seven weeks if all goes well. So that means it is possible for the first units to start shipping in April. As they taped out in February come on your flogging a dead horse horse now spamming FUD. For all you know they tapped out on February 1st  So why did they announce a datacentre "Plan B" on 5th February if they had already taped out? They knew they were so close to taping out and built a datacentre as a backup plan. They had until June to deliver and announced a datacentre backup plan in more or less January - 5 months before they would need it. What's that about? Oh, you really believe they're only building the datacenter for plan B really you're flogging a dead horse now. Who pay's you to write this crap or do you just get satisfaction spreading FUD and trolling. |
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As much as I appreciate the tape out news, this means that even for us closed batch 1 folk there's absolutely no chance of a Q1 or even April delivery, right?
Absolutely no chance of Q1 or April. From tape out to mass production can be done within seven weeks if all goes well. So that means it is possible for the first units to start shipping in April. As they taped out in February come on your flogging a dead horse horse now spamming FUD. For all you know they tapped out on February 1st |
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https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-78KnC Announce ‘Tape out’ of the World’s first 20nm ASIC for Bitcoin Mining
STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN — March 5, 2014 –– KnC, the most trusted brand in Bitcoin Mining is announcing they
have completed ‘tape out’ of their new ASIC. This is the world’s first Bitcoin Mining Application Specific
Integrated Circuit (ASIC) designed using ground breaking 20 nanometer engineering. This important
milestone was achieved only 3 months after starting the project, during February 2014.
KnC partnered with Alchip and its representative, Advanced Semiconductors Technology (AST), to deliver
this advanced 20nm technology ASIC. This tapeout is the 2nd generation of the bitcoin mining ASIC following
the success of the 1st, which was delivered in a record time of 3.5 months.
This new KnC20nm chip will reduce power consumption of Bitcoin Mining by 43% when compared with the
previous generation. In addition, innovations in the design of the communications circuitry allow for 1440
cores, in a 55x55mm package.
Marcus Erlandson, KnC CTO, is immensely proud of the teams performance, “The combined efforts of KnC
and our partners Alchip means that once again we are bringing to market a world first silicon design and in
record time.”
Johnny Shen, President of Alchip. “KnC and Alchip have been working together on Bitcoin ASIC design for
less than 12 months and in that time we’ve already delivered 2 world-first projects. Collaboration is the key
here and the close working relationship between our teams is the secret to our success” It usually takes about seven weeks after tape-out for mass production. So they may even ship in April With the new "tape out" information that KNC has provided, it gives everyone a clearer view of what we can expect. Below is an updated idea on what I think we can expect from the Neptune. Hash rate: 4,875GH/s Power: 2,237W (A couple 1,200W PSUs will probably do the trick. We'll need either a 220V line or two circuits at 110v. DON'T BUY THE PSUs YET! I have no idea if my projections are even close to correct in the end!) Here's how I figured out the above numbers. Jupiter has 192 cores. ( http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/rese...than-3000-gh-s) Jupiter needs at least 850W. Jupiter hashes at 650GH/s for the November batch. Neptune has 1440 cores. ( https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-78) Jupiter has a 40% power reduction per core than that of Jupiter. Using these quick facts I gathered, we can figure out Neptune's potential specs. (Jupiter's hash / Jupiter's cores) * Neptune's cores = Neptune's GH/s (650/192) * 1440 = 4875 GH/s ((Jupiter's hash / Jupiter's power) * Neptune's hash) - 40% reduction in power per core ((650/850) * 4875) - 40% = 2237 W Beautiful, yes? Well I think you're really going to like this next bit. It seems like people were scared for nothing and might feel like crap now that they refunded their orders, especially because they could have sold their place in line on eBay and made ~$25,000 from it. Anyway, here goes. Using my formulas from my thread at: http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/rese...ity-assessmentWe can see the following. 7.6PH/s - KNC DC (More hash than both Neptune batches combined) 5.85PH/s - First batch Neptunes 5.85PH/s - Second batch Neptunes Notice that the KNC DC is now going to be putting out 4.1PH/s less than both Neptune batches combined. (11.7PH/s for both Neptune batches combined) ~19.3PH/s - Total KNC hash being added by (presumably) the end of Q2. ~28PH/s - Total current BTC network hash ( http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/) (19.3 / 28) * 100 = ~69% (Percent of the current hash rate) 3,815,723,799 (Current difficulty) + 69% (Amount of hash being added) = 2,632,849,421 (Difficulty increase) Now for the good part. Formula: Let A = PH/s being added to the network (A / 28) * 100 = B% (Percent of new hash being added) 3,815,723,799 + B% = C (Projected difficulty) April after first batch Neptunes come online without DC: 4,617,025,797 (A = 5.85PH/s - ~15.93 BTC per 30 days) April after first batch Neptunes come online with DC: 5,647,271,223 (A = 13.45PH/s - ~13.023 BTC per 30 days) May after second batch Neptunes come online without DC: 5,418,327,795 (A = 11.7PH/s- ~13.575 BTC per 30 days) May after second batch Neptunes come online with DC: 6,448,573,220 (A = 19.3PH/s- ~11.406 BTC per 30 days) I used the profit calculator at: http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/Also, remember that I have no way of accounting for how much difficulty increase will happen this month accurately and so I based things off of the current difficulty. We also don't know anything in this post to be completely true or when the Neptunes will be shipping, so this whole post might be completely wrong. In other words, don't go off of what I say alone. Do your homework and see if you find this to be accurate enough for you. ~ReworkedScripts @ KnC forumIf those estimates I quoted are correct, then we should be at over 26TH/s in April/May. Which would mean ~0.20GH/s per share value.
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lies and wank
Go fuck yourself criminal. Do not reply to any of my posts unless it's send the 40BTC bounty you promised to the people who got your stolen coins back. Why? Just hit "Ignore". It works great. Hope your profanity makes you feel better. Funny how a willingly refunded sum by them is somehow "People got it back" and... I sent out over 6 btc in rewards just for helping, you refused yours, so quit whining. Anyone that followed that scam thread knows: A) The scammer did not "willingly refund". He returned the money after his identity was exposed by Augusto Croppo, Avenger and a few others. B) You did not pay the reward that you voluntarily offered. That makes you a liar. That is a fact. You need to accept that. OT, but If that is correct you can petition to get accounts branded as a scammer by opening a scam accusation thread on the 'meta' board IIRC. Not paying out a bounty as promised can justify to get accounts branded deping on the wording and the outcomes of the contract. If some blatantly renegades on a bounty promise, then that's scamming. Although it shouldn't be discussed in this thread and should only be discussed in the approiate thread. |
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in 2-3 months (...)
Learn the math first. or maybe you should research stuff before mouthing off - try some of advanced mining calculators which take into consideration difficulty rise - you're looking at jun-july tops, to be in green, after that you will not generate enough to even cover electricity cost. if you got access to free electricity good for you, but most people dont. You are mistaken if you think 28nm chips will not even pay for their own electricity use for an average kWh cost by June. Otherwise the network hashrate would shrink dramatically as even the most efficient chips couldn't even cover their own power costs I remembered hearing this last September when average difficulty growth was much higher than now and said the same then. 28nm chips will stay profitable until a much smaller fabrication size chips is the majority of the network hashrate. Why the obsession with process node size? Asicminer 40nm will be twice as efficient as bitmines 28nm chips. Basically means there is much room for improvement/optimization left with 28nm chips before the efficiency has reached its limit. Proof or go home. Unless they use immersion technology on their hashing chips, they have no chance at all of even just being as efficient as Bitmines chips at 40nm. You should read about Moore's Law and why the race to use smaller fabrication sizes has so many billions spent on it. Edit: The only reason ASICMiner is using 40nm and not 28nm is to save money on fabrication costs, fact. Optimization is more important than rushing to a smaller die size. Bitmine 28nm chips on low power: 0.35w/gh Asicminer 40nm chips on low power: 0.2w/gh Although the AM specs are only simulated I think they will end up pretty close. Saving money as well as time is why they went with 40nm. Why spend 10 million in nre to make 20nm chips when you can make equally efficient 40nm chips? I have no doubt that eventually smaller die sizes will come out on top, but it is not with these chips(maybe v2). We will probably have 14nm chips by the time a 20/28nm chip is fully optimized. With all that said it does look like bitmine does have the most efficient chips as of now. Much more impressive than cointerra/hashfast. Bitfury chips at 55nm can reach almost 0.7W/(GH/s) under-volt'ed. I believe ASICMiner could improve on that at 40nm with under-volt'ed chips. Although 0.2W/(GH/s) sounds similar to the bravado of all the other ASIC manufacturer's claims at simulation. Even using large scale immersion cooling. |
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